 Hello, my name's Peter Hurrup, I'm Chairman of ID TechX and I've come to some people, some young ladies who are making me really rather trendy and modern. This isn't really my watch, I'm allowed to use it just for a while. And there's a smart bed there and I hate to think what that's for, but we're going to come to some very strange things, very exciting things because this company is from Taiwan and it's called A-Beatle and I'm going to interview Eva and Eva is going to tell us about all these very interesting things they're doing and there are some common messages in this, obviously there's printed electronics but there is this great trend now to structurally electronics, not flat 3D and these people are actually putting things into things like an advanced Sony smartwatch that's available pretty well only in Japan and that's what we just showed you, which I'm very clever, I'll walk away and steal but I don't think they'll let me. And so Eva, can you really start? Your company's called A-Beatle, at least I couldn't forget it, which is wonderful, but why is it called A-Beatle? It's a easy name, right, so people can get remembered, right. Can you tell us some of the things you do? Apart from this watch I'm allowed to wear for a little while. A-Beatle, right, for the watch, actually our company we do the printing electronics, we do the high-density printing by screening process and for this watch we have the, okay, polyester, paper plan, right, I'll show you, right, so we do a material printing on polyester substrate and actually there's 12 layer printing, six layer in the top side, another six layer in the bottom side and you can see there's a lot of small veers to connect one side to the other side, actually it's all by screening printing process, so there is a process for veers and also for printed jumpers, yep, yep, good, okay, so you obviously have enormous capability with screen printing in terms of fine definition and in terms of doing several many layers without them interfering with each other, do you need special software to understand all that, to design it, simulate it, or it's okay? We call this 2D application, right, so we don't need simulations, but we have our product which we call 3D forming circuit, like this one, like this one, 3D forming circuit, before printing we will do the simulation to do the design and this one is fully controlled in automotive, so we print in 2D first, then we do forming, right, and actually it's quite possible we can, we will also put component mounting, like this one, right, and then we will do the molding, what are we looking at is it's entirely conductors, some of it's black, some of it's silver, right, it's all conductive, and what's it for? The black line is actually just for us to make sure we do a good printing, we could look good simulation, okay, so you see this is for the automotive control, for automotive application, right, so yes a lot of people are developing things where you can adjust the seat by just touching the wood and it's all one piece, so let's all we call cap sensor, cap sensor touch, so you're going to put in LEDs, we're putting LEDs and connectors as well. So how many parts will you replace with one part? How many parts? What's, it's replacing something, is it essentially, you know, and then previously it involved plug-in bulbs and rocker switches perhaps or whatever, that would be many different pieces, wouldn't it, so the wonderful thing that you're doing is, it's essentially one sealed-in part, isn't it, is that right, so is it replacing a lot of parts? Right, right, at least, no, actually total is a new structure, right, so you will have a, you don't, you can reduce a lot of different areas, right, to make the total indicator lights, what, what is it doing? Indicator light and also sensing and an actual light of the whole car, right, and there's a different printing here, so, right, capacity touch, right, okay, there was some problem with early ones of those where if you wave to someone the sunroof opened or you get interference, you know what I mean, it's not necessarily, you know, capacitance can work from different distances but is this something that is in vehicles or it's experimental or coming out next year, where are we? It's not in power round, so you will be in market in the next one or two years, right, right, in the cars, right, and of course Taiwan's famous for doing a large number of the mobility vehicles for the disabled, a large number of the small electric bikes and so on, are you involved in those? Yes we are, I thought yes we are, right, so I suppose it's probably secrets but so what you're doing is mainly at this stage in structural electronics, you're doing these things in order to save cost perhaps but certainly increased reliability and life and space, weight, volume, yeah, enormous saving space and volume, yes, as a way offer to customers, excellent, excellent, and how do you see the future? Do you think you'll be doing other things in the future like in putting in magnetics or it could be anything, couldn't it? It could be transistors, structures, resistors, have you a roadmap of what you'll do next or is it really driven by the customer? Are you going to, what's your capability going to be? Are you going to do? We're doing more integrations, you're going to do more integrations, so regular things like chips, like LED chips, like integrated circuits, right, like this we do not only the flex, we also do a lot of component assemblies, value edit assemblies to customers, so we put flex and we could also add hardware, like a breakage, metal parts, right, and this we can also connect with printing electronics. Art at some stage to print a variety of dielectrics conductors and all the rest, you will have issues of software to do that in simulations, you'll have to be doing some software I think, you can't buy it can you, so you're pushing the state of art, you can't these days just work with materials, you've got to have that. Is your business plan to license that or to always manufacture yourself? I see, right, and how many of you are there? We are a company with 250, 250 people, right, we have 30 engineers in our company, we do not only the electric, we also do the mechanical design to customer. Well we've moved from two wheelers to wanting to know about you're going to do something with my foot and my bed, I'm worried to involve your life. So this is, we do the different insoles here, like this one is a pressure sensor for food, so we can detect the way how you work, right, when you go to the shoes shops, if you try this they can recommend you what would be the good shoe design for you. Right, oh I see, so you wouldn't normally have it on your shoe, because I don't want to go through airport security with that, because they lock me up and throw away the key, right, so that's really a test device. Right, that's a test device, and that's for wireless power, wireless charger, yeah it's got a PCB, it's got a PCB with all the electronics, oh it's wireless charges, right, oh that's HF or something, yeah, good, excellent, and the next, the other one is we call the insole heaters, yes, yes, yes, it's good for, use good outdoors, yes, to be using like minus 30 degrees. Sorry I don't fully understand, that would be in a shoe forever, would it? Right, it's a heaters insole, you can touch it, you'll feel it warm, oh lovely, I like it, yes brilliant, oh that's lovely, I mean harping back to this one, it seems rather backward to do wire, why do you need all the wire, why can't you do HF? Wire legs, yeah but can't that be printed, I mean it's actually copper wire, you need all those turns, right, really, that's because of fast charging, fast charging, with higher power, right, and what is this strange thing here, the octopus, oh the medical device, do I have to swallow that? No, this actually goes to a pregnant woman, you can detect the heartbeat, I don't think I want one, so tell me what it does detect please, that's serious, so the pregnant woman uses it to detect the heartbeat of the baby, right, so you would collect all the data, does that mean it's a natural product or a dream, no it's in the market, it's in the market, right, gosh, the GE, yeah actually it's a GE product already in market, you're like a magician, you keep coming up with amazing things, okay next, I would like to introduce you our, well yes, I'm slightly kind, I've never done an interview on a bed, you can't, you can't do it, you can't do it, you can't, you want me to lie on the bed, why not, just give your time, why does you bring me here, you will have a different interview experience, okay, I'm gonna lie on the bed, what's it do, vaporize me or flip me up like a pancake, I don't know, these technologies could be dangerous, right, I'm lying down, all right, I'm lying down, okay, I'm lying down, what's happening, nothing's happening, okay, it's doing calibration now, no, no, no, no, no, okay, I'm sorry, we need to reset that, because we need to input, there we are, always telling me the distribution so that you can design the mark, right, we need to do the recalibration first, yes, okay, I have to be calibrated, she's gonna calibrate to me, I'm doing a recalibration now, I've never been calibrated before, it's good fun, it's excellent, we are, what are we doing, we're designing a mattress, right, are we, so this would go in a shop, actually, this we use the printed, printed sensor, hey, hey, in, look at that, fabric, it's a two meter long, printed sensor, it's just metal patterning, just right, and we bring on fabric, so this can be washable, washable printed sensor, right, this is a resistive, this is what is in the bed, right, that's what I was lying on, I just don't know, okay, right, okay, do you want me to lie on the bed again, okay, here we go, here we go, right, I'm calibrated, okay, I'll lie on the bed, let's tell me if it properly supports me, is it, Peter, you are not in, too heavy, you are not in a good bed, see, this side, the left side is more, right, this side is heavier, the pressure is heavier, the other side is lighter, oh, it's my fault, it's not the bed's fault, it's me, it's you, right, oh, there's something wrong with me, I didn't come here to be told there's something wrong with me, you can, just make me younger, you're clever, Taiwan, make me younger, so that's telling me what? Calibrate, and they are testing the position of your whole body, right, normally here in the bed, the third bone is empty, third bone is empty, few seconds later, you will feel the air goes up to support you better, oh, I see, the bed is accommodating the fact that I'm old, right, not only old, for comfort sleeping, that's next year's problem, it's for proper sleeping, so if you need to, it will get you a feedback after 30 minutes to five minutes, oh right, it's not for massage, so, it's not a massage, no, no, I realize it's not a massage, I don't want a massage, no, that's right, okay, more time, yeah, and this, so is it designing a bed for me, or finding out what's wrong with me, it's not really a follow-up, it's just to help you, to help you feel better, because if you like, for example, for patients, if you lie in the bed too long time, if you probably will get a skin ulcer, yes, we love the impact for people who are ill, it's very valuable, because, yeah, so it could move them about, excellent, this software can tell you are face up or face side, yeah, is that me, oh, didn't I look like that, oh right, you feared the bubble, did you see your air bubble goes up, yeah, yeah, I say compensates, yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's all based on that, um, interdigitated pattern that you have, that's amazing, that's very good, okay, I think we got there, have we, that's wonderful, it's still, it's still adjusting, right, yeah, you may take a photo of the screen, yeah, screenshot, so you know, let's you, this is a, oh yes, before adjustment, then this after, right, raison, yeah, in decrease, yeah, especially here, here, I'm only joking, it's good, marvellous, it's excellent, so there are lots of other things you can develop, as I'm sure, that's excellent, that's a really serious thing in hospitals actually, isn't it, because bed sores are a serious problem, and maybe next year's one you'll flip me over like pancakes, so who knows, who knows, see I'm helping you here doing design, yes, great fun, and I'm helping you calibration, and what questions should I have asked in this interview, what were you hoping to tell me, something else, new things, new technologies, they're so bubbly these people, we are doing large size printing, okay, yeah, and this is plastic, it's a fabric, we print our fabric, and it's right, we can do one meter wide, two meter long, one meter wide, two meter long screening printing process, that's amazing, that's another amazing, and we can use it for fabric, for bed, a lot of things is whizzy and modern and all that, but you know, screen printing is a thousand years old, isn't it, and we have all these other forms of printing, but you go around here and so much is still screen printing, I mean it's much better inks, it's much better definition, we use the basic tools, right, but we do the different things, right, it's wonderful, thank you, I think we've got there, there was nothing that I should have asked, I will come back when they think of that, okay,