 You see what I'm saying? He did it like pop, he did it like, okay, how you know? How do you know he like pop? Bro, he spit this, he spit this hook that he made up to me one day. Okay. And I don't think he ever made the song. Hope I don't get copyrighted. But I'm gonna say the hook. And I really don't know who he was talking to on this song, but when I heard the hook, I just, man, he just had me rolling, man. I was, I was. He was talking about pop. Well, he was, he was talking about somebody else telling them they ain't pop. And the hook went like, you ain't pop, you ain't pop, you ain't pop, so go ahead with yourself. You ain't pop, who? Not you, you ain't pop. You ain't pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, roll, roll. That's it, boy, you throw, man. I go back down to Atlanta when you was staying down there with him. Might have been before, after, but DLC was on here. And DLC talked about meeting Pimp C in Atlanta when he was staying with MC Breed. And this was a time when he says that Tupac was around, which is early on, gotta be early on, Tupac's deal was around. And he made mention like they was all in the same setting. Was there ever a time that you knew that he linked with Breed or any of those guys down there or you and him were just isolated to where you guys were living? And how long did you stay in Atlanta with him? About two and a half, two and a half years. No, no, no, like months. Oh, months, on projects. Yeah, it was like a whole summer. Okay, okay. Yeah, it was like a whole summer. What year was that? Man, what's going on? Oh, we got him thinking now. Boy, I wouldn't be able to think of that. That's why I'm glad I'm over here. Man, you know, my memories tell me. Yeah. I want to say, let's see, I graduated in 98. So that had to be like 01, 02 or something like that. 01, 02? Yeah, it was after I graduated from college. Okay, so yeah, Poc would have been a long dead at this time. Yeah, early dead. He did like Poc though, bro. I know. When you say he did like Poc, give me an example why you would even say that. You see what I'm saying? He did like Poc. He did like, okay, how you know? How do you know he like Poc? Bro, he spit this, he spit this hook that he made up to me one day. Okay. And I don't think he ever made the song. I hope I don't get copyrighted, but I'm gonna say the hook. And I really don't know who he was talking to on this song, but when I heard the hook, it, I just, man, you just had me rolling, man. He was talking about Poc. Well, he was talking about somebody else telling them they ain't Poc in the hook. When like, you ain't Poc, you ain't Poc, you ain't Poc, so go ahead with yourself. You ain't Poc, who? Not you. You ain't Poc, Poc, Poc, Poc, Poc, Poc, Poc, Poc, Poc, Poc. That's it, boy, you throw, man. He was like, you ain't no Poc. You, if somebody ever did an act like Poc. Yeah, yeah. And he was trying to let him know that you is not Poc. That was, that was in my tooth. You thought that was when you was down there? Yeah. We was riding together one day, man. He started spitting that hook to me, I just busted out laughing. I got an idea who he was talking about, but I ain't. No, you ain't got to see it, man. It was a couple dudes doing, trying to be Poc at this time and I didn't know it. Yeah, you know that. But, but I mean, people get inspired, man. It's people that start trying to sound like PMC after he passed away. You know, this is inspiration, bro. They try hard, like, but you get it. They want that person back, you know? And it's almost like, man, you trying to sound like Poc, you know? Yeah. You trying to sound like Bill. You trying to sound like Poc. You trying to sound like Biggie, whoever, you know? You know what I mean? Oh, go ahead. I think a lot of people, they do it and don't realize they doing it. Okay, do you think, what's the name sounded like Biggie? When he came out, Shine? Tell me who on the road with us. Not Shine, more so that Gorilla Gorilla. More so him. Gorilla. Shine kind of gave me his own little vibe. I didn't really catch Biggie from him, but I did catch him. That deepness to be so little and to be around P. Diddy made me think about Biggie. Yeah. Is there anybody who came out that reminded you of PMC? No, not really. Not really. I can't think about it. I think that's why he's so missed because there's nobody out there that really reminds you of him. All you got is the stories and the music that he recorded. Or even try to emulate him. You could try, but it is not going to be the same because of the way, to me, and it's from a fan perspective, just the way he left it all on the track. He ain't played no game when he was. Nah, he wasn't. He wasn't no feel to know, none of that and nobody gonna be able to do that unless they coming from their heart with it. And it was really like a pop. Cause pop do the same thing, like when you listen to him on hit him up or any of that stuff he was doing, he was trying to let, he was like you in a car and the gas just punched all the way to the floor. And I think that's probably why Pimp liked him so much cause he was full throttle all the way. That's how he was. That's what it was. Yeah. The dope artist, man, just very, very dope. So yeah, so you woulda came later on so you wouldn't know about the time, but I just know too short I said that he didn't know if he had met him either. But then when DOC came on, he kind of alluded to the fact that they were kind of all in the same settings or he seen him down there during that time. And it's just, it's always, and I didn't ask him a direct question about it when he was here. If I had thought about it, I woulda. But after I went back, you know how you sit back looking at him like, dang, I missed that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nah, but he got around though, man. He, you know, he made his rounds. What was going on in Atlanta at this time in them two months? Give me some, give me some, give me, who else was a goodie mob coming over, popping up? Was Gip? I said I want to interview Gip. I'm looking to interview him. We're going to Atlanta here in a couple of days. I can't recall any of them coming to the house. They didn't ever come by? Yeah, it was pretty quiet around here. He didn't know about it around. No, he just focused on his beats. I think when I first got there, I think Russell was there for maybe a week or two. Okay. On the big time records. Okay. I didn't know why. I didn't, I didn't ask, but Bun came there periodically. So Bun showed up? Yeah, yeah. Bun and Queenie. And then it was me, cat named Young Smitty. They called it Smitty the Pimp. That's actually how I kind of got to meet all of them was because of Smitty. But that's a whole other story. Think Big Mun was there. One is Bodyguards and DJ Bird. We were all at the house together. Wow. Yeah. So it was just like, I don't know. It was just like staying at a house with a bunch of friends really. Yeah. But Pimp had, he had his wife there and his kid. And we were all in the house together. Like he let all of these people stay with him and his family. We were all around his family. Because everybody was family to him. Yeah, everybody was family. So that's kind of, it basically felt like just a family is what it felt like. That's hard, man. Yeah. And that's, but that was him though. Even when you went around Mama West or went around her house, you know what I'm saying? It just all felt like family. You know, I was all familiar. How was you and Mama West? Did you get to talk to her any time? And did you get to know her? Yeah. I didn't get to know her like in and out, but we did talk. I had been around a lot like up when they had went on tour. Cause I went on a tour with them. They was touring with two short. I think cash money was on a couple of dates. But anyway, we had, I went with them on a tour like down at the Chitlin circuit area. You know what I'm saying? I think we hit Alabama, Mississippi, all those Southern states. So she was there on tour with us. So, you know, I got to be around a lot, talk to her. Yeah. She was real sweet, man.