 Our next caller is Whitney from Ontario, Canada. Hey, Whitney, how can we help you? Hey guys, thanks for taking my call. My question is it relates to working out with your spouse. My husband and I very different backgrounds. I have about 13 years of experience weightlifting, powerlifting, Olympic lifting. I competed in CrossFit. Don't come at me for that for the better part of a decade. And so since then, I haven't really had that much of a structured routine and my husband definitely has not had one nor has he had the experience of the Olympic lifting, the powerlifting, that technical stuff. And so I'm wondering which one of your programs would be something that maybe both of us could go through together. And we also work out at home. Help us a little bit more about him. So where would you consider like his fitness level? I know you say he has no weightlifting background. Yeah, like how's his mobility? How out of shape is he? Or is he not? Is he relatively fit? I'm not gonna let him listen to this. No, you need to be honest with us so we have a good idea what to recommend. I know, I know, thanks guys. You know who's the strongest. No, his mobility is not great. He travels a lot for work. So he's in his vehicle quite a bit. And he has lots of, he snowboarded competitively previously and has quite a few injuries from that. So it is day-to-day job. He's fairly active but there's definitely no focus on mobility or anything like that. So he definitely needs to improve in that capacity. All right, so here's the challenge. The challenge is gonna be finding a routine that is appropriate for him but you're not gonna get bored doing with your background. Unfortunately, we're not gonna be able to satisfy both. So I'm gonna recommend the best program for him. You can follow along and take your time and then after he follows, he goes through that program, move to something else. But Map Starter is where I'd start him off. If his mobility's lacking, he's never worked out, it's the best program to get started with. After Map Starter, then move to Map's Anabolic. That would be the next program. See, I don't know, of course we are making assumptions, right, because he's not. I'd have to like assess him. I feel like, I'm picturing you guys as a couple right now and you don't look like your typical couch potato type of couple right now. You got a X crossfit girl, 13 years lifting. He was, he did- A lot of injuries though. Yeah, okay, so we can address mobility stuff. But I feel like as athletic background, as athletic as he was, and I'm sure he's not completely the opposite of that. I'm gonna go with Map's Performance. So I like either Map's Performance or Anabolic with Mobility Component. And then she can actually do a lot of that with him. Well, if you do Map's Anabolic, you can definitely start in Pre-Phase. And that's where I would start you. I would not have him start in Phase One. I agree with that. I would not have him start in Phase One. And then you're gonna have to really watch and see how he does. Here's my worry is that you're gonna start off on barbell squats, overhead presses. He lacks the mobility. He's gonna potentially injure himself or start to feel pain. And then you're gonna have to back off even more. And then here's a deal. You might lose the momentum of getting him motivated to work out with you. So that's the challenge, right? So that's why I said Map's Starter. I think it's very safe. He's gonna get gains. He's gonna build muscle on it. He's gonna get stronger on it. There's a lot of stability involved with Map's Starter. Then from there, it's not that hard to move forward with a Map's Anabolic. Going too fast too soon, that's gonna take more time to come out of than going too slow. Going too slow is fine. There's nothing wrong with going too slow with the routine. So you can do either one without doing an assessment on your husband, it's gonna be hard for us to be more specific. Well, let's do this for her. So this is what we'll do. So we'll send you over Map's Starter. We'll see. I have it already. I bought it. I had to use it. I used it about two years ago after I had a surgery. Loved it. It was a great program. Okay, so then that helps us then. So do you see your husband? Will he follow something like that? Would he be okay doing that? Is it, I mean? Yeah, yeah, he would definitely. And the thing is we're not working. I want us to work out, to accomplish a program together, but we're not working out at the same time of day because our schedules would conflict. And I don't want to be the coach. That's just, it's better for the marriage. So here's, I agree with that 100% too. So here's another thing that we'll do for him. So if he'll do this, we'll give him access for free to our private forum. So this will allow him to let us be the coaches, right? So he can go in there. He has questions about the program. He's got any sort of aches and pains going on or something doesn't feel right or he has questions about nutrition. That community is perfect for that. He can go in there anytime of the day. Leave a question, tag one of us. We can help him out. So we'll send it. So you already got starter, so you're good there. I'd start with that. Yeah, thank you. And then you guys could probably progress to anabolic relatively quick after. Do you have access to maps anabolic too, Whitney? I don't know. And I wanted, I have been listening to you guys for ages now. And I've been curious. I got starter because I needed it. I also got your suspension one. Love that. And then maps anywhere. Fantastic. But I've never, because I've come from the CrossFit Olympic and powerlifting background, I've always just focused on performance. So you guys have piqued my interest on sculpting your body, essentially. So that's something I've been curious in trying because I've never done that. I just always focused on how much weight I could lift. Okay, well, here's another thing. Look, earlier the audience doesn't know this but we tried to get on with you and we had lots of technical difficulties. So you had to wait for over an hour to get on. So I'm going to give you maps anabolic. We're going to throw in maps anabolic for free as well. So that'll be the program that you do after Map Starter. So after your husband completes Map Starter, have him start in maps anabolic pre-phase, do pre-phase for about three or four weeks, then he can move into phase one and then he's going to have a blast doing that. And since you're going, we've piqued your interest in kind of training this way. I, for you, I would run anabolic followed by a stack. Oh yeah. When you're done with maps anabolic, go maps. Run anabolic, follow it to a T, trust the process and knowing that here, I have to warn you, okay, with your competitive background and your cross-fitting, the hardest thing will be the psychological thing and trusting in us that I promise it'll serve you well to do drop down to a three day a week, full body type of routine, make sure you rest between sets, follow it to a T and then from there, go to aesthetic and you're going to love what you see. Okay, cool. I love that. Awesome. Thanks, Whitney. Thanks so much guys, I appreciate it. No problem. Yeah, that's great. I like to hear that, you know? And here's the thing that I always consider the most whenever I hear this from a couple is I consider, she's probably tried to talk him into working out of course, of course, for a long time. So the number one thing that I think about is, let's not, let's not, I don't want to create any potential roadblocks, which could be, oh, my hip hurts, my knee hurts. Oh, I can't do that lift cause my mobility. So I always tend to err on the side of let's go easier and let him build up momentum and that consistency. So he ends up being consistent long-term. Well, it's great that he can follow it on his own time and they're not like there to, I mean, cause that is kind of a big discrepancy between the two and then. Oh yeah. And so it's like, you know, it could be a little demoralizing where your body currently stands. And so to be able to like take your time, you know, ramp your body back up and get the strength back. I think that's going to be great for him. Yeah. Don't coach your spouse. No, no, no. That's a big advice. I mean, especially, I mean, she's like a certified badass. So this is, I mean, that's not, no husband's going to want to get his ass clean, you know, inside the gym. He'll lift him with his wife. I don't care who you are. I don't care how the ego kicks in. He'll be some stupid. I don't care who you are. You know what I'm saying? Like that doesn't feel good for me. Takes right off the bar. Yeah, yeah. Doesn't feel good for any man. So yeah, and I agree with you. So I think that, you know, my concern was him being as athletic as he is, seeing a program that is, you know, a stability ball and dumbbells and stuff that he needs to do. You know, if he was my client, I'm with you. I would make him, you know what I'm saying? I would force him if I saw him and say, hey, we need to do this stuff. But I think he can go from starter to into anabolic and be just fine, especially if he dresses mobility.