 17 is winding down here in Nassau, Bahamas, but our discussions continue and joining me now is Philip Baptista. He's the Secretary General of Arctell and we just want to talk a little bit about how everything's going here at GSR. So welcome, thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me. Now you are a panelist at today's regulator track on evidence-based decision making and there you discuss the regulatory outlook report and tracking the evolution of regulation. How is it evolving? It's probably the most difficult panel to be in because we're talking about the future of regulation which we do not know what's going to be because the world has changed so much. Things have changed dramatically in the last 10 years with new players coming into the sector with a total change of mindset in terms of regulation because it's not vertical anymore so it's transversal to various sectors. So the key word that we found on that panel and I think through all GSR was collaboration. I mean collaboration is the key word. The challenges are global so the only way you can overcome those challenges if you have collaborative regulatory initiatives, global wild like the one you're having here in Bahamas and GSR. So that was the final key word and from another perspective one of the things and that's what we're doing at Arktel at this moment. We are revisiting the old instruments of regulation. For instance the universal service, I mean the universal service it was developed in a perspective where the world was basically when it was developed was based on fixed line telephony which is nothing today it doesn't exist anymore. I challenge you to find a person in this room that's still setting a fax for instance if you know what a fax is. So we're doing that in Arktel. We're trying to revisit the old instruments like universal service one in order to reformulate it and look as a tool to develop the future of the sector and the future of regulation. So this is also one of the things that I believe it was clear for all the participants here in GSR. The other thing that we had embraced here especially at the regional associations meeting it was prior to the GSR event which is a very useful platform for all the regulators because it's where you can have a big picture of what is happening in the old world and especially in the different regions because we cannot forget that besides the challenges are global there also have to be addressed in a regional level so that is a very important platform for us as regulators to have the sharing of experience in a regional approach. So as I was saying one of the key issues also discussed there was the fact that we have to look at capacity building as a tool and as a tool not only direct to regulators or to the industry or to the users I mean a new model has to be set up. We have to put in the same room in the same capacity building initiative all the stakeholders because then they will be learning the same the same thing they will be sharing the same experience and we'll be talking the same language which normally it's one of the obstacles for overcome the problems in regulation because industry has one view over one problem the regulators have another one maybe the users have a totally different one so if you put them all in the same room doing the same thing learning the same thing maybe you can overcome one of those challenges and this is where symposiums like GSR come in where you get to collaborate come together and talk about these things because it's as you said it's difficult to predict the future so how do regulators stay on trend how do they stay relevant and I'm guessing that these conversations kind of help with that no totally totally it's exactly what you said because I mean it will be wonderful to predict the future that will be awesome but unfortunately that's not the world we live in so I mean this kind of initiatives and a special thanks for the government of Bahamas it was really impressive all the set here the organization the facilities that they provided us to work it was amazing plus the social events were really really good and that's also important because bring people together in a more relaxed environment so that's that's also good so going back to your question I mean exactly this is this is crucial to have people on the same table on the same floor discussing openly in a very open way because otherwise if we keep our agendas closed I mean there's no way you're gonna overcome the problems because the problems are not unique are not singular anymore they are not my problems or your problems as regulators it's everyone's problems and we have to overcome them we have to overcome together so being together and collaborative I think there are the two keywords in this in this kind of events and that's what you're looking for that's why you participate in this event well you've done my job for me already which is try to start sort of transition us into the more relaxed part of our conversation you know this is the first time that this event has been hosted in the Bahamas in the Caribbean really only the second time in the Americas you've said some good stuff about it how are you feeling about how the Bahamas performed putting on such a mega event like this first of all I hope that this will not be the last so this starts to answer your question you did a great job I mean generally speaking I've been attending the GSR's almost since the beginning I'm almost 17 years in the sector so this is a 17 GSR so almost of them I've been there and I mean without criticizing the others because they they've did a great job this was one of the most smooth GSR's they haven't participated why and smooth is not it's not bad it's good because there was tension there was discussions but at the end people had agree in a very common line which was the collaborative regulatory approach so for that extent the job that the regulator did here the Bahamas regulator was amazing the team is incredible very young and very active and the the chairman of the regulator I think you don't need to comment on that because we all know Stephen and this is I have some guys and says he's doing a great job so in terms of the conditions you're perfect because we are in the in the wonderful resort first of all unfortunately I didn't have the chance to go outside the room I'll plan to do it this afternoon to experience at least the water of the Caribbean's but in terms of the conditions were were awesome it was really really great job apart from that as I was telling you the social events that you guys organized for us was also very inspiring because again as I was saying sometimes you can overcome things in a more relaxed environment because when you're in the room with all the industry all the regulators there's a lot of attention there's a lot of discussions and sometimes things get a little bit extreme but then at the end when we have the social events that you organize it was really impressed and I felt in love by your conch salad and by your sky juice which I will take back to Portugal some of that you overcome those problems so this is like a big set you cannot separate the things you cannot talk of the GSR in terms of what you're doing in the room and what you're doing afterwards it's it's all it all comes together and it's very important that come together because at the end of the day in between those two events if you want to if you want to address that way most of the times you overcome the the main problems that you face normally in the room okay so we can call GSR 17 a success oh absolutely great major success all right thanks so much for chatting with us it's my pleasure of artel and we want you to enjoy the rest of your time here in the ball absolute I'll plan to do that now that it's over thanks so much