 You're welcome back. It's still the breakfast on plus TV Africa right now It's time to go to the press and see what the headlines are. We're being joined by Mr. Tunde Kolaulay illegal practitioner Good morning and welcome to the program Mr. Kolaulay. Good morning, my brother. Thanks for having me. It's another great night. Yes, I did have a great night. It's another wonderful day It's a midweek, so we hope that everything will move the way we hope that it will move Okay, so Yeah, we're beginning with the nature newspaper today. There's a headline here that has been on the news for some time now Revealed Lagos areas where air quality is unhealthy and we're seeing the the graphics there we're seeing places like Ibar town or Joe has the highest and then banana island. It's the one with the Best air according to the areas that way We're given here. What is your take? There are some areas where Air is not healthy and there are others that it is, you know, tolerable and others the air is quite healthy I That the air quality has continued improved in Lagos. Why do I say that? You know with the cost of buying petrol and diesel a lot of people have stopped using the accelerators I also find that the ban on Ocaca has also reduced the number of those Ocacada to see on the road because The generator the scooter that is the Ocada They are high pollutant of the air So with them gone one would have thought that the air quality will improve So if the scientists are safe saying I'm finding out That they're not much as improved in Lagos Then it should be worrisome but my solution is that I'm a town We have contributed a great skill To the air pollution that we have in Lagos. It was not nearly the same there are very few industries, industrial industries that are safe for me And the Nigeria is not using co-plants to generate electricity so the cost of the air pollution could be that a lot of people have resorted back to the use of charcoal to cook and do other things. It could also be that they are also using firewood to cook and do some other things because very few people now can afford to buy gas to do their domestic cooking Whatever is responsible for this The government needs to do a lot to improve the air quality and to Banana Island where you know they are those settlements is really sitting on an ocean There are those are some till areas where you put at least their their houses and the breeze coming from the ocean most likely kind of improve only are they responsible for the better quality here that the people are doing here in those places and whatever it is Air pollution is not a good thing for human beings it's causing the lung causes infections irritates the eye and some of the countries that people do suffer from caused by some of the things that they need around the environment so it's a thing that the government should pay very serious attention Okay, but these numbers that they have given here and the places that they have put I don't know how accurate this is I was expecting that a place like Ojodubega I always call that because I know that place so well it could have been part of it because as you're entering Lagos it just tells you the people of Lagos are very careless when it comes to waste management if you go on the bridge at Ojodubega you will be shocked at the kind of thing you will see at the median the median is supposed to be a very, very beautiful place the way it was built the roads were built and that place has space maybe there will be street lights some day inside there or maybe they will plant ornamental trees and that place is littered when we are looking for a society where there will be zero open defecation if you go to Bega it is the direct opposite of that and Bega is the welcome to Lagos that we know and the government doesn't seem to be doing anything about it is it because maybe they go in their cars and they don't get to ever climb that bridge you see what is happening there it has become a toilet for a lot of people if you go up that bridge trust me so what is the government doing it is not enough to just show places where the air is not good enough what are they doing what should they do maybe I should ask you this I agree with you I have always said if you find a group of people that are unable to manage their waste the group is said to see the operating on the level of animals that sort of persons are not different from the animals that will live with as human beings so there is a lot of it we can show them that we manage our waste and improve their quality there is a Bega that you mentioned there are two three things in there most times like you have observed people dedicating to dilution around them the animals the cows that are sold around this place also do quantification which is never managed and what has happened I know a lot of bonding also takes place in there when animals are slucked they are kind of they try to try to to cook them using charcoal using wolves and all manner of they use taya to cook again to taya to exactly again I think there are also a few industries around there which will be Bega there that are female operating but whatever the response all of these things are not that if we are not to be in the neighborhood of animal we must be able to manage whatever waste that is generated whether it's human waste whether it's animal waste or whether it's whatever waste may be polluting our air it's not too good for us as a people this takes us back to a time when punch also did a similar research and then they find them around the cater was said to be a problem and then some industries some aluminium smalting and pan making industry around those places was said to be responsible for the heavy poor air pollution around the cater but then we have new environment but at the state level they are supposed to be ensuring that these things can be managed so I hope they will reach out to me this morning and swing it to workshop to improve our health a lot of things that we are suffering right now is because of the fuel subsidy removal and everybody was like okay now that our refineries are working we're going to have some kind of relief a dango tea refinery is yet to kick off to produce the fuel that we need for our cars and generators and everything that we need the potharkot refinery is set to resume operations after 1.5 billion dollars makeover is the headline here still on nature news and yesterday we got the information that they are now trying to privatize it even when we've been told that that place is being privatized now is the time that they want to they have opened the beat they want to privatize that thing so production may still take a long long time but I don't know what you feel about that headline potharkot refinery is set to resume operations after 1.5 billion dollars makeover we have started the dango tea refinery we have started the dango tea refinery I think there is a very clear news coming from dango tea refinery the last I read is that the refinery has started the production but they are not starting with petroleum I think they are starting with diesel and then I think aviation of fuel and some other auxiliary fuel but immediately they have finished on the production of diesel aviation and water fuel chances are that they will go into testing for the test run of producing a petro that the other people can generate and water fuel to use but with the potharkot refinery I am not where can go the tunnel and then I think it's set to be successful but selling what you have a turnaround with about 1.5 billion honestly wouldn't be good news for most engineers what people would have been saying is that if you know you are going to privatize this refinery why don't you in the first instance privatize it as it is and whoever buys it will do whatever turn that maintenance that it requires to do but if you have pumped a lot of these taxpayers' money into turning around that refinery and then you sold it or you privatize it which is not related to be at the premium because people will make enough and they will plead for it they will not be bidding for that refinery as a new refinery or refinery that is in top shape they will see it as a very old refinery and probably they might make it very ridiculous of us to be able to take that refinery I wouldn't think it is wise enough to first turn it around before you not begin to privatize it could be you have used very good money to chase a very bad test and then for them more when you look at the issue of privatization in this country most of the public institutions most of the public utilities most of the public industry that have been privatized most of the public most of the public companies that have been privatized very few of them are doing well today remember remember Nicaragua Nicaragua and so many of them all of them have gone on them most of the people who have both those companies know that who are after the asset their properties and as soon as they buy they strip those companies of the asset sell the properties they cover their money and leave the cacas over there for the Nicaraguan people to be looking at to their charging and to state so I am not too sure privatizing that refinery will be the best for the Nicaraguan people why do I also say this look at a country like China most of their big companies are sitting on by government and they are doing well so what that tells us is that it is not true that any industry run by the government will not do well China has opened up to be wrong that it is only when institutions and companies are managed as a capitalist concept that is when you get good management somewhere that is when they make good profit that is when people have value for their for their money the last take I want to make on this is that the workability of either the Nicaraguan refinery or the Partakot refinery or the Karepo refinery and others may not necessarily turn out to make all over the country very cheap rate whether it is diesel, petrol or whether it is gas the reason is very simple if the goods that is not to be used to produce these products are sold at the international market if they are dollar denominated the possibilities are that when those refineries produce using dollar denominated raw material they be selling at the terminal at the international market today at such that will not make the work cheaper it may also make it available all over the country and so long the value of the mirror is also not as far with the dollar than the fans talent chances are that the prices of personal products will not come down in Nigeria will not reduce the refineries that are working will not necessarily translate into tube well in Nigeria at best all that is happening is near availability at very high cost and if they are available and they are all available then the Nigerian people will be at the same spot they used to play before the refineries started working so anti-kidnapping protests it has reached the stage where people have begun protesting so today it is going to hold in Abuja what do you think? honestly speaking I think we must give good good dose to those who are organizing this anti-kidnapping protest in Abuja if the Nigerian people who organize similar protests in some other parts of the country I think it will also be a welcome development why do I say this? whatever happens to our brothers and sisters to our children in Abuja one way or the other also affect those of us who are in Lagos who are in Potakot who are in Kalaba because all Nigerians will be sent to the Abuja Keepers more important than the two it's the price it's a shame for Nigeria that we should be having the kind of kidnapping that we are seeing in Abuja Abuja is supposed to be the seat of power and the most secure place in Nigeria in fact let's remind ourselves that part of the reason the federal capital was relocated from Lagos to Abuja to the security consideration as the period in time it was ideal that having the capital in Lagos make us vulnerable to outside invasion and that once your capital is captured in Lagos your country is as good as being defeated and so the federal capital was moved to the center of the country now we are in Abuja and Abuja is not safe we collect the roads between Abuja and Tadunah the roads between Abuja and Nokoja and see the worst roads in terms of security in this country shockingly enough while Abuja is insecure we still find out that the politicians the public office owner who was a duty to ensure that we have security not just in Abuja but all over the country appear to be nonchalant say for example the nature of the federal capital heritage former governor Wulke he could be said to be the governor in Abuja but most of the time we find him going back to the state to engage in political activities his company for local government chairmen and councilors he is also going there to hold the meeting which is a good time when he should be on the seat in Abuja ensuring coordination the security agencies are making sure that they are able to guarantee security for the entire people of Abuja from what we are seeing today Abuja appear to have been thoroughly invested with security challenges they are penetrated and except something is done to weed out all those who are treading the security of Abuja then the country is turned for because if your capital is not saved where else is going to be saved in the country and then they get look at the potential manner in which this is happening is taking place those who are engaging have known themselves whatsoever for the architecture for the security architecture of Abuja they also do not have respect for the security chiefs who are also domiciled in Abuja honestly speaking this is frightening frightening so many respect they kidnapped these people they ran some money and when the money is not coming they also jack up they ran some that they are asking for and when the ransom is not paid they begin to kill one after the other the people that are in their custody honestly this is shameful this is frightening this is something that both Mr. President the security chief the IG of police in particular should pay serious attention to and you ask yourself we have been asked to provide our NIN we have been asked to furnish our BGM in all the banking transaction so if other countries like Africa, like Ghana have effectively been using the NIN BGM to track down and arrest and get hold and get hold of criminals criminals why that is not helping us in Nigeria it is shocking to me because you will find out most of the ransom that are paid one way or the other also end up in the times and then besides all over the world today once you have the phone and use it to make a call the security people in other countries of the world are going to track you effectively wherever you may be but that seems not to be working in Nigeria but these people are keep laughing they are making use of telephones they are making calls and they are also receiving money which at the end of the day also end up in the times so why is all this being that we are strong not working for us the former minister of digital economy honorable pantheon also yesterday and the day before yesterday despite a situation on why Nigeria is not making use of BGM in other countries of the world to track criminals the reasons are not perfect they are not paying attention to these things they are too preoccupied with political activities they are the tribunals they are the tribunals making sure that they won't be kicked out of the tribunal in an editorial on the Guardian newspaper it is stated that state police restructuring security agencies is a panacea to kidnapping and others do you agree with this? I do, I do if I remember I wrote a article on Facebook in which I did detailed analysis of the kind of security architecture that Nigeria would require to put in place if we are going to be able to guarantee the rights and property of the ordinary Nigerian citizen I did not just advocate for state police I also argued that the local government require to have their own police I also argued that the church is a mosque and in the schools because I have members, associations all these two above 500 persons at the time in a particular place they should be allowed to have their own police they should be licensed to run their own police and then the government would have to recruit to their police to be trained to carry weapons to be able to defend their people Nigeria is such a huge country 200 million people with all all sorts of challenges so without breaking down the security architecture without allowing more security people to come in we might not be able to guarantee and provide security for the lives of our people for their properties and then secure the environment the way to be secured yes let us do political activities let us also practice truth journalism not just politically but in the area of security ok well we do hope that we will find a solution because the political class according to some headlines here security chiefs have promised action on killings and abduction as they are calling it and yesom wike has summoned an emergency meeting security meeting over kidnapping all the governors are worried about this and the president also has raised a red alert over rising banditry kidnapping and the likes that is on the nation newspaper but what one headline that is on all the papers is the unfortunate event that happened in Ibadan many feared killed houses destroyed in Ibadan explosion you heard about that didn't you sir can you take that again many feared killed houses destroyed in Ibadan explosion that is on the nation newspaper and eventually it is on all newspapers the explosion that happened in Ibadan I don't know what could be responsible for such explosions but you know a lot of us a lot of people now use gas and you find out that gas filling plant stations and stands have been established within domestic areas in some places we are generally they should not be established furthermore some of the precautions that people should take when they are establishing gas plants when they are building petrol stations and what are known they are no longer doing gas and then those we should monitor those we should ensure that people comply with the rules and regulations for establishing those things there seems not to be dreaming and again too our people have not stopped keeping petrol in their homes people who are who are still able to run their generators people who are the most fighting of scooters and people who use petrol to power some modern machineries and water too still keep a petrol in case and in their homes in their shops in their offices and in the market places gases are also kept the way our manager should not be kept these are highly inflammable products that we should keep only when we are able to guarantee all the safety measures that we got to be put in place before such things are kept in the human environment but we are not staying there I hope that the fire fighter in New York State and Waterloo will be able to overcome whatever we have caused that explosion and take appropriate measures to ensure that there is no premature performance of the explosions human error carelessness nonchalant attitude it seems that to comply with the regulations that goes with keeping explosives are mostly responsible for this explosion that we see that cause human casualties and destroy our property of the nations or individuals of properties well we it's not been confirmed what the cause of the explosion was and we do hope that is something that is verifiable and we do hope that is not a bomb we do hope that maybe is gas or some of these things that could explode but lives are involved families are involved properties are involved and everything our hearts go to the people of Ibadan they keep suffering these things from time to time insecurity here and there and now there is an explosion we do hope that God will be with them all the time this is where we draw the curtain we would like to thank you so much for being a part of our program this morning thanks for having me it's always a pleasure you too and I wish you safety thank you very much you too ok we've been talking with Mr. Tunde Kulao a legal practitioner on off the press we're taking a short break now and when we return we'll take our first hot topic stay with us