 And cut it with, live from Atlanta, Georgia. New Jackthriller City, man. And today, man, we got the super legends in here, man. Candy coated raindrops, man. You know, I just found out today, they was brothers. Man, y'all give it up for the group. They called, So For Real. Uh-huh. What up, what up, what up? Let's hand it in. What's going on, y'all? Let's do it with it. Man, I'm really excited to have y'all here, man. So many different reasons and stuff. Y'all just came up for Wild'n Out. That's right, Wild'n Out. Wild'n Out. Wild'n Out. Hey. Ah-ha. Yeah, thanks for having me. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to be here. Whole Wild'n Out group. Yo, like, yo, tell everybody the experience going on the show, though, man. Like, you get the call that you're going on. What are you thinking inside of your head? Man, that's, man, first was like, I get to dap Nick Cannon for the first time I meet him. Oh, that was the first time you ever met? That was the first time I got to dap him and show him love. But I fuck with him. The experience, though, once we got on the set, that was what, that was like one of the most truest experiences. And just, just DJ REC, meeting DJ REC and just how the family was with the whole thing. Yeah, I was just, it was, it was whole, man, it was an experience that I'll never forget. I like that. I was going to mention that. The family and the orientation, the nostalgic feeling. You know what I mean? Just, you know what I mean? As far as, because if you notice the performance or just our vibe, I can't even call it a performance. We just vibed and the audience and the cast and everybody, it was just, it was just magic, yeah. It was lit. That set was crazy, right? Yeah. Yeah, that set was nuts. Man, I was so mad I wasn't on that episode. Man, wait, what's you at? Exactly. I was looking, definitely looking for you. Yeah, man, I was on, I think I was on the road at the time. That's you, that's you. Yeah, yeah, I was on the road at the time. You was missed, brother. Yeah, and Jace told me that y'all was going on. And yeah, that was, I missed y'all episode. I missed the Anthony Hamilton episode. Yeah, and I had just blazed Anthony Hamilton too. All right. On verses, you know, I was all hosting verses. Okay, okay. Yeah, we're him and music soul challenge stuff. Yeah, yeah. So I was like, okay, now he at my house. Yeah. And I was like, damn, man, on this episode. And then when y'all was on there, you know, I was talking to Jace after was, Jace was like, man, I wish we could do it again. I was like, already know what it is. Can we do it again though? Can we? Can we go back? We can go. Of course. Two of them came back plenty of times. Let's go. Let's go, Nick. Let's go. Let's talk about what it is. Yes, yes. Yeah, we'll be back up there. Yeah, because Jace was telling me, when he told me that he wanted to go back, I was like, it was some things you wanted to get off. You ain't get off on. Yeah, definitely. I just felt like we should have been more, you know, involved in the, I wanted to just be more involved in the games. But where were you holding back for her? Shit, I wasn't ready. I actually didn't know what was going on. It was going so fast. I enjoyed myself though. What you know what it is? While and out was the improv show. All right. You understand? Yeah, yeah, no doubt. And we just, we started brushing up our skills on improv just recently with, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, but we know how to freestyle and just, you know what I mean? Improv and do that. It did. But, you know, like when you get put on the spot, see like, when I make music, there's nobody in my face. It comes from wherever it comes from when I'm in a private place making it. But while and out, you got to be ready to go on the show. That's what makes it exciting. Yeah. Oh yeah. Life is going to be ready. It's definitely life. Right. It's definitely life, man. You know, I'm really blessed to be, I probably, I think it's my like my almost 10th season being on there. Yeah, word. And yeah, every time I'm there, I'm walking out, like, you know, if you feel like, like I'm in the NBA or something. For you, that is the NBA. That's the NBA of improv. Yes. There is no better show than while and out. For improv, man. That's the fact. Right. In that capacity. I feel like, I feel like I need to go to, I need to get a job like you at while and out. You know, I swear to God because it makes me want to hold my skills. Did. Make me want to think of my feet and just Yeah, you just got to be comfortable being in you. You know what I'm saying? 100%. Yeah. It definitely brings the best out of you and what not, man. You know, yeah, man. So like, I'm over here noticing right now. Y'all sound mixed, man. Yeah, y'all laying, y'all laying from. Oh, well, we're first generation Trinidadian American. Get out of here. Yeah, our parents is from Trinidad, all of our family. But we're from New York, though, too. Right. I mean, that's Trinidadian American, so. So y'all speak the native language in all that, right? Yeah, because speaking Trinidadian is speaking English for accent. I was about to say it. Oh, that's what it is. I was about to say it's just an accent. Oh, it's just an accent. OK, so it ain't no. Same thing. It ain't no language. I apologize. Same thing was to make it a little nicer. So just, you know, just like you have the, you know, families from Nigeria and just different countries. Of course, we hear America came over from, you know, Trinidad and naturally, that's where you're going to hear that accent, you know, because we were raised with that same thing. Nicki Minaj, like, same thing. I guarantee because she was born over there. So how even more, I'm sure when you hear her home talking with her people, I'm sure you're going to hear that accent. Like, yo, yeah, she turns it all in love when she wants to. That's what that's to beauty. Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, that's the beauty. Dig, dig, dig. Y'all from Long Island, right? Yeah, Long Island, New York. Long Island, New York, man. Wine dance, crime dance. Long Island. Yeah, yeah, y'all came up, like, doing some rough times in New York, too. Like, when New York was New York. What's going on when New York was New York? Yeah. Rock Him, EPMD, K-Solo, Red Man, Brentwood. Shout out to Long Island. Big up. Yeah, wine dance. So, what does the singing come from, man? Like, who inspires y'all to do that? Yeah, mom. Singing been always in our blood, though, yeah, from young. With the church, mom and dad. Oh, so y'all singing at church? Yeah, we were the church, you know, because our family was so big. And then being from a small church, you know, my father was a Bishop, mother of Reverend. So, it was always, you know, the Dower Infa family. It's like, okay, it was like 11 of us, including my mom, dad, and grandma. So, with the eight kids, it was like, we made up most of the congregation. So, the singing, we do a Pentecostal type of, you know, worship. So, it's, everybody is involved. So, that's where the harmony just came. So, you know. Y'all ever thought about doing a gospel album? Yes. We got, we got his place in us. Hey. He watches over us. He delivers all from the valley up. I'm just freestyle and trying to follow you. That's what's up. He watches over us. He watches over us. He delivers all from the valley. Yeah, that's us. God is us. He's with Inna. Man, y'all for fuck's sake. He's with Inna. See, that's the thing about So For Real. And I think that's the reason why we named So For Real is because we're actually direct descendants of Jesus Christ. So is For Real. Of Jesus Christ. I'm sorry. Let me stop. This is exactly. Dig! Hey, man. That was unbelievably impressive right there. Dig, dig. Okay, so off the rip. Did your parents like want y'all to do secular music or y'all had to sneak off and do that? I'm quite, you know how parents are. You know how, you know, if you have children, like, it's a, I get what, it's flattery. You know what I mean? You follow your footsteps. I'm quite sure they did, you know. But, you know. Yeah, I think, like, that's one side of my parents being, being out there from, you know, Trinidad, that third world country, especially. As far as getting up into gospel, right? Yeah, yeah, I'm quite sure they would want to. But we are. We also are at the same time, I wouldn't say not at the speed or not at the place of what they might've envisioned for us. But like, for me, honestly, we make music with that in our backing. You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm, what would you say? I kind of lost what I was thinking. But yeah, the question was, do you think they, I mean, wanted us to be in the gospel? Did y'all have to sneak off and do secular music? Definitely, I was gonna say, so with my parents, you know, we grew up during that 70s, 80s era. And luckily enough, my dad, he loved the whole idea of, you know, us doing the music on a secular level, because that's what he had in his heart. Like he always said that he wanted to do the whole acting thing and, you know, he wanted to somehow be, you know, if he could. You love singing in portier, you know? Right, right. You know, it was like, you know, my dad was old school. So I think for, because he was a bishop, it was like that hidden type of, I want my sons to do it, you understand? But I can't really exploit it fully that. Yeah, I want them to go. So when we really finally made it, they were super, super excited. Like whenever, you know, we went to church, we were always, in all of their, you know, their communities and their little friendships, they were bragging like, you know, out of this world. But of course, in the pursuit of it, I don't think that they were like, oh yeah, go ahead and do that because my mom's being a reverent, my pop's being a bishop. It just goes against that. So let me ask you this, man. You know, like you got eight siblings, but you narrowed down to four to get inside as far as, you know what I'm saying? The group sold for real. But did you, did the other siblings feel a certain type of way? When y'all, you know, you guys are mega now. And was it jealousy and, you know what I'm saying? Or was they happy for y'all? Can y'all speak on that? I'm gonna say. I can't say I've ever had a conversation with any of my siblings about it, but I'm gonna say, I'm quite sure, yeah. You have to ask them that question. I'm gonna say you're gonna have to ask my siblings if anything, because I really, I do know, but I can't really ask them. I don't know how they feel about it. Yeah, I feel the same. You know what I'm saying? Because that's a touchy situation. Like, because life is, like we human beings, we sold for real, but we're human beings. And my sisters and our family, we're just as regular as everybody else. So I can guarantee you that they have issues of feelings with, because I'm fucked up. Sorry, you know what I'm saying? I'm not perfect. You know what I'm saying? I'm pretty sure many people have issues. Yeah, I'm fucked up. Yeah, right. Super fucked up, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but, so the flip side of that, and I wanna say, because, and I think I can answer it, because the question goes back to when we were in the pursuit, and when we made it, not after, you know, naturally those things come. So, you know, because of how close the family was, I'm not gonna front, I never felt any jealousy, any type of hatred or none of that from my family. They, because it wasn't nobody else's dream. It was our dream. Got it. You understand? So even if it became their dream after they saw like, oh wow. It can happen. It can really happen. I never felt any jealousy, because they were on the album. You know what I mean? It was a family affair. Like, we always incorporated the family, no matter what. Oh, the other siblings, and you like those kids and stuff like that? Absolutely. Nick and Dez were on the album. Yeah, both my sisters was on that song, if you want it. Okay. That's what's up, man. Yeah, I was gonna say they were on if you wanted it. Right. Everything that Terry was on? Right. I think it was the girl. It wasn't everything. It was like two songs. It was like two songs. What's the hardest part about, you know what I'm saying, working with your family and working with your family, let alone working with your brothers? You're all men. You ever feel like you was in competition with each other at any point? To me, the hardest part about that is just getting your point across between all of us. Because everybody has, everybody stands in their own square and everybody's stern. And my dad, he was a very strict person, so that rubbed off on all of us. We always, we're all very, what's the word? We're definitely, What's the word? Opinionated. We're all very strongly opinionated. And we stand in our own square. So my thing is getting my voice heard and understood from Jase, Brian, and Chalk. Me, I can't stand these motherfuckers sometimes, but guess what? They my brothers. That ass, like anybody that has, I mean, you know, see we grew up so close and it's like, they know that because it's not, I can say that and they know that's what a smile. That's me, Brian. I can't stand these motherfuckers, but guess what? I can't not love them. You understand? We were created. Right. You know what I'm saying? We can't, we can't. You can't ever say fuck each other. Yeah. Exactly. You know what I mean? And that's a fine thing. But at the end of the day, we still gotta fuck with each other. We can and we do. Word up. You know what I'm saying? Fuck you, I love you. You know what I'm saying? Type shit. But like, as the youngest, you know what I'm saying? As the youngest, I just learned early how to kind of not be so competitive, you know what I'm saying? Because I'm the youngest, you know what I'm saying? I don't know why it came along. We're all just kind of crazy, you know, like you said, we're all opinionated. Well, think about it. Very strong. Look at that. Eight kids, me and him is in the middle. You got to remember, so regardless of what we've always been the ones, if you look just looking, warring, trying to, you know what I'm saying? Trying to just find that you have eight kids and then the fourth and the fifth child is just like in the middle. You know what I'm saying? You have the beginning, you have the end. It's a whole lot of in between. You know what I'm saying? So it's really just kind of just finding your purpose. It's a big balance. It's a big balance thing. I think that's what I think the biggest thing we could learn from talking about this part of the conversation is that it's all part of that balance. That's part of life type shit. Let's talk about influences, man. Like what's some groups that y'all looked up to growing up? And y'all was like, is this what we supposed to be doing right here? Me and musical influences? Yeah. Got about it. Hands down to Jackson's. We just thought we were the Jackson's. Through the years. Because of, you know, just because of how it was, you know, the Jackson five, you know, the five boys and three girls and, you know, the same way that our family but, you know. But then you had another one's like a new addition. And then boys and men is kind of like when we formed. So go down the timeline. We were in Florida and my brother. BBD time. I used to write chalk. Chalkers beat. That was BBD. That was BBD time. That was yeah, boys, the man on BBD. Yeah, it was BBD, but we were singing boys and men at the time. Correct. That's what would hone our skills. And when people would hear us saying that, they're like, that was also Anita Baker time. That was. Cut it out, that's what. Yeah, carry time. Right. That was also like, what's the name of Luther Vanjo's time? That was that was a lot of. Yeah, you just bringing up the stuff we was having at the singing contest in Jackson. Yeah, but those are the times, though. They're talking about like. But I mean, that's what y'all like. Man, you talk about it the whole time. I don't know what you just asked. Let's talk about Pat Benatar. Let's talk about the love and the love they tell. Oh, he's talking about the love when I'm going down. So that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's Smith. Come on, let's talk about it. So listen, we listen to top 40 music. You know, that's what I was saying. It's like we I hit you in the box, man. Yeah, we ain't we ain't. Yeah, I mean, you would. We just look like this. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, Prince Lionel Richie. Yeah, it was a huge spectrum. Mm hmm. What's something about y'all that people will be surprised to know, man? What was one of the biggest misconceptions about so for real? Hmm. Shit, that's a good question. Man, I would think just me that we, you know, we're regular, you know, we go through the regular, everyday struggles in life that everybody goes through. You know, people I think people misconceive us as being the children that they last saw us as being. So they actually forget that. Good one. We're grown men, we're fathers. You understand? We're brothers, we're providers, we're producers. We have to participate with our families and we have to protect our families. So we're having all of those responsibilities, but also just being the candy rain guys. That's it. You know, say it. This is what he said. And what you said. Say it. But what you say it, OK? Say that. Now, ask me the question again, sir. What's the biggest misconception about so for real? What do people always got fucked up about y'all? Right. Even now, I like that. I agree with what he just, all right. What people have fucked up about us is like, yo, don't get it, don't get it twisted. Like, we are actually the saviors of R&B. You see how we could just... You saying some big shit right now. You see how we could just sit here and just start harmonizing? Easy, easy like that. I mean, shit, if John Crease could say he's the king of R&B, then you could say that. Don't get it twisted, but we the saviors. And look, I ain't going nowhere. You know what a lot of people like to say? Oh, yo, man, you have candy rain, you got a hit. And just go and sing that. No, I'm not going to just keep singing candy rain, my guys. I'm going to tell the world right now, I'm never going to stop. I'm never going to stop singing and making music and creating. I'm always until the day I take my last breath because we are not going to create it. You ain't going to let them put you... No, you're not going to tell me to perform candy rain and just run with that. What you're going to do is you're going to listen to the new stuff that I have that's coming out of my heart and my soul. Don't get it twisted. I felt that right there, bro. I felt that. No, I'm serious. Like you asked me a question, I'm coming for all. I heard it, I felt that. I got chills about spying right now. I got to listen to this new shit. I better listen to this new shit. 100%. Now, amen. Who could, who could soul for real verse? Who, who would y'all... Oh my God, can I dab you up for that? I'm, oh my God. Come on, Sam. Stop it. Come on, Sam. Who could soul for real verse? Who could y'all verse? Honestly, whoever, whoever feels that they... Custom, whoever feels that they could really be on that level. Unfortunately, we don't have the catalog out there to really be on some, oh yeah, calling out folks, but I like the way that verses is now kind of organically shifting and giving it now this real competitive now. Like, let me see, because forget the studio singing, forget the tracks. Let's get on the mics and let's see who can engage and have that audience, you understand. Let's entertain. Can I say something? Are you saying that you would shut any down? Can I say something, can I say something? Vocally? I wouldn't go as far as to say we'll shut anybody down, but we will definitely be in the arena with anybody that calls their selves, acapella, R&B, whatever it is. Soul for real is right there. Y'all want to smoke? All of it. All of it. I heard what he just said. Yeah, all of it. I don't care. You ain't scared of nothing. I'm going to tell anybody, come try me, when it comes down to vocals. If you was on verses already, right? If you was on verses already and you did it, you can come back. You can bring me back and bring us out. And we can verse anybody. Like, who's dope to you? Who's dope vocally to you? Like, a lot of people, honestly, I mean, look, what I will not do is this. I'm not going to take away. There's always going to be technical difficulties and there's going to be certain things that go on with live performances that I know. See, I know, you know, not to specify anybody's name, but I know some of the people specifically on the last verses that is getting, you know, a bad rap because of whatever, but I know a lot of those guys that rarely know how to sing. Because of a bad night. Right. I was just, I was like, man. How many songs did Sammy have? How many songs did he hate songs that Sammy had? Sammy came out with a couple of songs. But we are at bad nights. Which is blown. But when you listen to Sammy, that man, his voice is on point. Oh, listen, all of them, everybody has a bad night, like he just said. So they're in the middle. There's nobody to sit here and be like, oh. I'm not judging nobody, but what I'm saying is, you just said something earlier, talking about our catalog. And I believe that our fans is gonna listen to all of everything that we have. Yeah, I mean, we have a decent enough catalog because back then people was buying albums. So we could go on verses and verse anybody that wants to go. What verses means about, let's specify. I don't know if I can specify. I don't know. I don't know. That's what my pops. My pops. I'm gonna say high five. I like this. I'm gonna say high five. Okay. All right. They ain't been on verses. Okay. I'm gonna say high five. You with their ass? Absolutely. We'll rem, we'll, we'll rip them a new asshole. What about Trill? What about Trill? All of them. Who? Oh, yeah. See, they, yeah. We repping through them. We running through it. What did you say? Trill. Listen, though. ABC. Stop it. Come on, man. See, this list, that's not, I was gonna say you have to bring people, I ain't gonna front. You know who's, who we'll feel comfortable on some real, like a true hell. Yes. You understand? Some niggas else gonna blow. Them cats that was in the van. You know, they know. They bang, they bang the pavement with us already. You understand? Okay. That's our error. They know we, we, You know all the, you know the whole group. Them niggas saying the same. Yes. You know, they got a player in the group. Them niggas are saying the same. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. That doesn't, you know. That doesn't. They don't, they don't, they don't intimidate y'all at all. That doesn't intimidate at all. It intimidates me. Because look, at the end of the day, it's entertainment and the audience is gonna tell us what. But what's, what's going on? How, how would you answer Teyo falsetto? Huh? Who got the falsetto in the group? Ah. Ha ha. No. Listen. Don't worry. There's secret weapons. Okay. Okay. There's secret weapons. Don't worry, bitch. Okay. There's secret weapons. I like this talk right here, man. Yeah. Because you know, and, and that's what. If y'all please bring us some verses, yo. Jack. Call these niggas out. Can y'all please, who have a wet camera at? What? Ha ha ha. Yo. Who want to smoke me? Please. Ha ha ha. Please call us some verses, y'all. Hey, let me ask you this question, man. Oh, when, when you guys were on the road, who was somebody that you guys met that you never thought that you would meet, that you definitely got starstruck over? Oh, wow. I was never really starstruck ever. I knew you was gonna say that shit. No, but you know what? I knew you. I knew out of here, but you were gonna say that shit right here. Nah, but it's funny. You know why I was, but I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad you said that. I always felt like. What you always felt like? When you were, when you know that you a star, you're not gonna feel, oh, you know what? Oh, crazy, and they know, I used to be like, yo, my nigga's like. I'm glad you're saying that. I'd be like, yo. So for me, for me. I knew you were starstruck all the time. Right. For me, for me it's not. But remember, for me it's not. For me it's not. I'd be like, yo. So he be like chill, he be like, yo, such a shit. We knew, we knew. For me it's not. So at the end of the day, when we meeting people, I'd be like, yo, chill, yo. But at the end of the day, I'm rarely trying to get in touch with my, yo, yo, we so. He was doing something right. Can I just say this? Like a lot of times, like people, like they're in this entertainment. Like people act like they're not human. And they like, I felt bad a couple of times being starstruck. So I get why he. Why? Because they shit on you. Like. Hold on, hold on. That's why, hold on. So hold on. This is why I was trying to say that. You've had a bad experience being a starstruck. So boom, to the point where me, before I met any stars, period, before I even got famous. I always looked at it like, damn, well, these stars were always once normal people. They weren't always stars. You had that understanding. Yes. So I'm like, before I got in the game. So once I get in the game, to me being starstruck is just realizing, oh shit, that's blase blase. That's the extent of my starstruckness. Oh shit. Stop it. Oh shit, that's blase blase. Because honestly, at the end of the day, that's a job. They're playing a part, they're onstage. I'm onstage when I come out of the door. You know what I'm saying? That's like being, look, I don't want to be starstruck off of LeBron if I'm Kobe. Nah, it's like, yo, what up, nigga? I'm out of the box. Yeah, I don't want to get the chance. At the same time. I'm not starstruck off of you. At the same time, you know it's like, at the same time, you know it's ill. I know he was, who was it? That Shaquille O'Neal back in the days. Skit stuff. Fuck out of fucking Michael Jordan. And I know everybody's a fan. Yes, Shaq, Big Shaq fucking had Mike like, Skit with the left. He went all the way left. You can look it up. I promise to say that shit up. Yes, look at that shit the fuck up. Hold on, it's just K.O. O'Neal, do you know it? Yes, Big Shaq had Michael, Mike. Shook, Shook Jordan. Yeah. Shook and went the other way and went up with the layup. You would have, everybody, even Mike left. You know what I'm saying? Ain't nobody gonna believe that. I got it, I got it. I'm telling you what I'm saying. Right, you know we got to look this up. Yeah, one, put some money on it? Yeah. Nah, I don't fuck with it either. All right. Shit. Yeah, anything can happen at this point. But my point is, you know everybody's a fan of Mike. Yeah, 100%. Come on. I know about I, I know about Isaiah Thomas. Right. I know about Iverson. There's Shaq right there, you, Shaq. Yeah, look at it. It was just like for practice. Yeah, but Shaq didn't have no handles. That's why I was looking like, look at it. You don't look and find that shit. I was like, see, look it up right now. You want me to look it up? I'll look it up. We some what? Y'all some big ass niggas, man. I say that to say like, did y'all play sports? Y'all this man right here. Definitely. Y'all look like active right now. Well, I did. I mean, like if you have niggas, if you ain't going to go out and sing you, you like y'all take niggas to the hole. If they want to play God damn flag football. Yeah, you can definitely do like a celebrity basketball for him and me. But y'all have to work. We definitely the retired crew. I'm we're in our 40s now. It's over with. I still want smoke. I don't care. I know. That's going to be in y'all heart. That's going to be in y'all heart. I know my, even though my knee is messed up. He's, he's about retired. Your knee is messed up. You about retired now. Nah, nigga. I just give me a. Yeah, we definitely. We're done. We're done. We'll shake something. Katie, you're the sparky one in the group. You're down for whatever. Hey, what's going on? I'm Jack thriller, man. And whenever my love is on the rocks or it's neat or it's straight, I'm always trying to highlight my boy music. So child and find out what love according to music is. And this that said love according to music. So music, I got this girl I'm talking to. And I want her to start calling me daddy, but she doesn't want to do it because she has like quote, daddy issues and whatnot. But I'm like, I'm not trying to be that daddy to you. Right, right. I'm not your father. I'm not your, I don't like Poppy because I'm not Spanish. Okay. But I'd like her to call me daddy. Okay. You know what I'm saying? And I don't know, it just makes me feel, I think it's sexy when a grown woman is calling you that I had to, I don't know why I just said that. I got just fine. Yeah, you see what I'm going with. You're trying to explain yourself. I'm trying to explain myself just in case somebody can you people understand what you're saying. Okay. All right, go ahead. All right. So that's a that's a nuanced thing in my opinion. So, so for instance, you know, I'll admit, like, I'm not really partial to that, you know, because I'm sure that I have my own daddy and mommy issues, you know, when it comes to that. So that's not something that I necessarily participate in. But I don't, I don't hate to look down on anybody. That's, you know, that's what you do. But I think that, you know, there's a lot of things to consider with that. One, as you mentioned, I don't think that people that like that, you know, actively think of themselves, you know, as the dad that made, you know, like, I don't think that that's what's happening at all, you know, not in that context, you know, I think it's more the way that I see it is more of a role of authority. It's almost like role playing, you know, but I think people conflate that, you know, for people that may have issues with that, that they may think that, you know, you're saying that you're, you're their father, and like, that's not, that's nice. There's no different than how men, you know, we call women, you know, that's my baby, you know, as we just refer to, no, you're not an infant, you know, but it's a term of endearment that we socially have grown to start using and we understand contextually what that means. So for you, I would have a conversation with her to try to see where exactly she's coming from with that. Why does she have an aversion to that? Why does it rub her the wrong way? You may be even able to help her work through some of her challenges when it comes to that, that she may even warm up to the idea, or she may not. And that may be something that you have to accept like she don't like that shit. Don't don't do it. You know, it ain't too many things that, you know, she could ask me to refer to her as far as nicknames go, but if it make me feel good, I got no problem with doing it. So I don't even understand why it's such a big deal to her. I feel like it's so petty. Okay, it may be petty to you because you like it and you feel like it's something that you don't get to do that you like. But how would you feel if she wanted you to do something that she actually may have that you don't like, but it makes her feel good? She wants me to choke her and I don't want to choke her because it looked like I'm choking her. You know, but some women, for whatever the reasons are, they like that and it makes them feel good. So to her, she may be thinking that, you know, because of her upbringing, her potential relationship with, you know, her paternal, you know, circumstance, that may be a trigger that sends her in the wrong direction in a direction that you don't want her to go. And she's basically doing her version of communicating that to you. I don't like when I call you daddy, how that makes me feel. But you're getting off on it. Yeah, we're going to have to talk about that. I got it because I think the wildest part about it is some women that have no problem that I've been with calling me daddy. Then either you need to go be with those women or just accept the woman that you with, don't like it. Thanks a lot, music soul child. You definitely answered my question. That was exactly what I was looking for. And I guess I'm going to stop trying to make a call me daddy. Or at least have a conversation about it. Yeah. That was love according to music. You sound, you the one that got it, got the group in the fights and stuff. Yeah, let me ask you this question. Well, no, I'm the one that whooped your ass. No, I'm sorry. So with that being said, have y'all ever got into it with other groups or fans or something like that? No, honestly, it never got to that. And thankfully so, that's not the arena for it. You know what I mean? R&B, don't get it twisted. Regardless of what, we'll have the hour, it's just the bravado. You know how finicky the music industry is, man. But at the end of the day, R&B is about love. Yeah, but you'd be surprised. Some of your favorite R&B singers didn't got into it. Put the beats on you. Some of your favorite R&B singers. The hand game, I'm confident that, you know, we grew up in New York where, you know, we slap box a long island door, all of that. But how does that fit into R&B? Yeah, it don't really fit in. But it'd be a lot of competition out there and whatnot. I've seen one thing about R&B singers. A lot of times, sorry, not to cut you off. When we come around, people just look at us like how you see how tall we are. I mean, it's all love, man. You should just look at us like, yo, what the hell is going on? And I was telling my brother that the other day, I'm like, V, I think we're scary looking. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, you get what my voice sounds like. I mean, maybe I need to just smile a little bit while I'm saying what I'm saying. You silly, yeah. Yeah, you silly. I don't mean nothing. I don't mean nothing. They definitely have a smile. I'm just, this is who I am. Yeah. Like, get to know me, y'all. Fuck with me. I'm not gonna hurt nobody. I definitely call the police on all of y'all. I will press charges for a year and a half. Look at that. This is the biggest shit. You don't be ready for it every time. Right. It's a surprise every time. Like, this thing is 6'6, 2'2. You 6'6, bruh. Yeah, I'm not 2'20 at all. I'm 2'05, 6'6. I'm gonna ask you. See, don't get him them 15 pounds. Yes. He is a 10 in the waist. Respect his figure, bruh. So y'all still working out, keeping yourselves in shape and whatnot. Working on new projects right now. Stay active. Stay active. Definitely working on new single. So for reals, number one, you could expect as well on that coming soon. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, just doing it honestly, like when we first came into the game, and I love the fact that we could be around 25 years, you know, plus later, you know, like my brothers were saying, it'll be great for the new audience right now to, you know, accept us and kind of bridge that gap, because people, you know, they hear Candy Rain, and they don't even know what we look like. Exactly. So naturally, in order for you to get some type of recognition, we're gonna have to give you some new material, but it also opens the door and the lanes for us to go in other places, like, you know, act in and, you know, model in and, you know, just doing just different things. He is a transition. Capitalizing off of the fact that we do have a Candy Rain and every little thing. So, you know, our fans, they grew up with us. They got grays now, you know what I mean? You know, and we appreciate that, that we could still look good right now. I could get down and give you a hundred push-ups, flat out one time. I mean, but just to say, health is the new wealth. Dead, dead. You know what I mean? To even try to enjoy life without being healthy, because, you know, it's an expiration. So you want your expiration date longer, put in some work and take care of yourself. Like he said, health is the new wealth. That's the one thing that we own as humans. We own what you put in is what you're gonna get out. Mm. So y'all are real holistically in whatnot too, huh? You said eat real holistically? Yeah, like, you know what I'm saying? What is your diet to like a, y'all? Y'all don't eat pork? Eat pork, but don't overindulge. Okay. You know what I mean? It sounds like, you know, I'm probably looking too much into this, and you guys probably eat the same shit I do. Nah, just not as much. Because genes, listen, probably just not as much. You know, metabolism has a lot to do with it. Okay. Right, right. I did, did. Because it's genes, you know what I mean? I'm a slick and fat guy. That's the love. The blessing. You know, eat whatever I want. You never got bigger, it is. Now, one time, Jase, I did. You never got bigger. I'm big in the spirit. Did, did. You don't know what it's like to be a fat guy. Yeah. Did. God bless you. I do. You ain't got fat one time? Yeah, like, I'm here, like, I'm looking, I'm walking by, and then I'm like, oh, God, that's not what's up. And you was performing with your brothers too? Yeah. And I had to stop eating. Mm-mm. Yes, I was. Not you, I'm just saying for me, I can't, I can't. Did y'all used to get on with them about that shit? Like, man, what the fuck is you doing? Nobody knows. Honestly, honestly, that, it kind of creeps, it kind of creeps on you, honestly, like. Yes. You get, you know, you see it, but you don't see it enough to be like, yo, until it's, until it's on you. And then you're like, yo, you need to lose some weights, huh? You know what I mean? I mean, that happened to me several times. Oh, you got fat a few times? Yeah. I was looking at me like, yo, man, what are you doing, bro? Yeah. I'm like, stop, stop whatever you're doing. I'm like, I'm fat, I'm a fat God, period. Yeah. I eat, I like to eat, eat, eat, eat, eat, eat. Yeah. Mm, be cooking. I remember when I was, I was getting fat again. What, when I was working at this is 50, I was walking, I walked into the office one day and 50 came up to me, he said, man, what the fuck is going on with you, Jack? You just don't give a fuck no more, huh, do you? Mm-mm. I was like, what are you talking about? He said, man, look at you, nigga, you look crazy. What are you talking, what the fuck are you talking about? He said, look at your body. He said, what's wrong with my body? Nah, but I seen, I seen you in the gym, nigga, you stronger than a monk. Oh yeah, yeah. I'm like one of the most in shape fat niggas you'll ever be in your life. Yeah, you stronger than a monk, bro. Yeah, 100%. I ain't gonna fuck. I can do 100, push you up straight. Word up. A hundred, jump jack, straight or 100. I was like, whoa, that niggas stronger than a monk. Yeah, I'm pulling up 13 times straight. I was impressed, man. I was impressed, man, nigga. See, look, it's an old diet, though. That's a major thing, though. Pushing and pulling your own weight, all that weight and all that. Pushing and pulling your own weight is everything. 100%. Right. Yeah, yeah, so you know, I'm just trying to get a hold of that diet because I'm really, really trying to like get a hold of this sex symbol shit, you know what I'm saying, I want to get a sex symbol. That's what I'm chasing right now. Good. You know, and it was one thing to be famous, but it's a whole nothing, nothing, nothing thing to be Shymar Moore or to be God damn more as culture at this bitch. Or Tank. Yeah. I'm trying to get like Tank right now. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Doing that thing. You don't want that smoke, though. What you mean? I mean, you really think you want that smoke, but you don't want that shit, too. Man, what you talking about, Willis? Yeah, he's trying to motivate you. Man, I'm, yeah, I'm not wanting that. I damn sure don't want that. All right. I'm trying, yeah, I'm finna get it together. Let's go. You ain't saying shit? I'm going to show you the gym with you. Where we going? Where we going? Daughter, we can go in the morning. You ain't saying shit. You know you fucking with? Yeah. That's funny. You cool? Let me find out when you wanting them fake in shape niggas and stuff. You know, you ever been to the gym with a fake in shape niggas? Like they look, they look in shape, but they get inside that gym, but they can't, they ain't livin' that. They ain't got the cart, they ain't got they wind up, none of that shit. This is, they just straight up gym. Nah. Just in shape gym. Nah, nah, nah. Y'all get busy in the gym? Oh. I mean, see, my thing is, I mean, I don't, I don't underestimate nothing. You know, I'm speaking out now. You know what I mean? So we just get down to, I'm going to push it all the way. Exactly. I'm over. All the way. We go all the way though. You know what I'm saying? We go all the way. I can dig it, I can dig it. I mean, I went to your unsung party. Yeah. And man, when I, you guys' story was so amazing. Thank you man. I had no idea that y'all was, had went through so much. Yes. You know what I'm saying? Like if, when it comes to that show unsung, that was one of the best unsungs I had ever seen in my life. You know what I'm saying? When it's talking about from the deal you guys signed and all of the other stuff and you know how people took advantage of that. And you know, but on the same token too, like what is, what's something that, I know how I feel about it, but what y'all wanted people to take away from y'all unsung? Well, don't kill, it's gonna make you stronger. That's why I'm telling you to listen. Don't ever let nobody tell you nothing. If you have your dreams and your goals and your aspirations, stay in that tunnel vision and just stay down. Because at the end of the day, even if you don't make it, that's your journey. That's you. You can't like, you know what I mean? That's, it was written. So let it be written, so let it be done. Do you guys have any regrets? On what? Just in general? Just anything that you could change. When I live with regrets, I don't live with regrets. It happened, it happened. Nothing you wanna do or do over? It's off of a decision we made or you made what happens. You know what I'm saying? It's always a ripple in the pond. So what can you, how could you wish for something? And that's like, you know what I mean? It's a waste of time for me. Did, I wanna cut it, what a shit it is. I wanted to go back to where you said the question as far as... What it want people to take away from y'all unsung? Correct. Yes. And I wanted people to take away that the mystique that Soul For Real has in everybody's mind is the fact that unsung was supposed to let you know that it really was supposed to just give you a peek into our story of so much more, a little peek of what happened, which I don't really think people... Did it do that? Man, it gave us a big ass peek. Okay. I was inside the window. Right. So let me, if you don't mind, what did you take away very briefly from unsung? Very briefly from unsung, I saw that you guys were really hungry and I didn't know that y'all even was selling drugs and stuff to take care of your family. You hear these stories all the time. That never was my reality. But to hear that, you know what I'm saying? That you was just trying to provide for your family and whatnot until you got into a space where y'all did get the deal and then you're asking yourself too, like, why did they sign this deal? Because it's a chance of a lifetime. And if you don't, if you don't sign that deal, it's a whole another group that'll sign that deal. And it could be anybody and it's all about what you do with it. Absolutely. And so you guys saw your shot and you shot your shot and you took the shot, you made the best out of it. And we made the shot, honestly. And I'm glad not to cut you off. You did it three times. Yeah, not to cut you off, but just to concert what you said and you got exactly what you were supposed to get from Unsung. And that was a peek. But now I believe that Unsung set us up for the bio-peak. You understand? Because there's so much more to Soul For Real than what that Unsung gave you. You know what I'm saying? It only gave you a fraction of Soul For Real's story. You understand? There's so much more vital things that need to be put out there, you understand? That will give you a full understanding of who we are and what we are. You have any untold stories, man, that you could share with us, that y'all never got a chance to put out on an outlet and everything that we could get about Soul For Real? Honestly, not off the back. What you think? Katie, I know you got something, bro. Yeah, I got a couple of them. I know you do. I know you do. I know how Brian is. One time we was in Italy, man. This is just my personal. One time we was in Italy. And we got on this elevator. It was like all of us. I'm claustrophobic. So we all stand in like close like this. It was a pretty small elevator. He was five or six of us. And it goes in the elevator to say it goes up. We think it's going up. So this elevator just stops. In the middle of it. So we're just chilling. Everybody thinks we're going up. We're like, what? And then time is going by. So I just start. Yeah, we realized we were stuck. Once we realized we were stuck, he started freaking out. I started freaking, freaking, freaking, just freaking out. And then we grabbed the elevator door. He broke the door. My brother, Steve, was on the outside. That's how we knew he was in between the floors. Like, once we grabbed it and broke it, his hands came in. Ding, ding. And we were like, ah, boom. We broke it. We all stuck. That's how he remembers that shit. But that's what happened. But it was nothing like that. It was nothing like that. This nigga was high, wasn't he? It was no. I'm always high though. But anyway. I knew he was that nigga in the group. I don't think we got high yet. OK. We had just gotten it. Man, we got out of the elevator, man. And it was just scary as hell. OK. If you ever stuck in the elevator, man. I'm not doing that what you did. I'm not going to do that. I don't know what you're going to tell me to do. I was just like, y'all, we have to get out. I don't like what you did. And we just broke it. We broke it and we climbed out. Yeah, actually stuck in between the floors. But the reason why I'm telling the reason, because the people just. Yeah, tell me the reason. So it wasn't that. We just all fucking went crazy. The security and the front desk, you know, they were acting real just like full out races. You know, we're in Italy. We're all, you know, black. The whole our whole entourage is black. Nobody is white with us. I think the only person that's white is the promoter. So that was the, you know, he was our interpreter. So they were really like shutting us. And when they hit the alarm, it was like literally my because my brother Steve was out there. So he was like, it was like they were just fully just ignoring the fact that we were stuck in the elevator between floors for a long time. And so it was like, all right, well, look, nobody's coming. We're hitting the alarms. No, but they're acting like this. Like we're just like, oh, yeah, this is the normal regular day. So we just like fuck this shit. We're not going to sit in here and, you know, suffocate or do whatever. A man's strength. It came in our work and our favor. I can dig it. Who got the best weed? We got the best weed. Who got where? We'll go ahead. The best Cali hands down. Cali hands down. Actually, you know, one time we went to. It's next to Cali, but what is that? Well, Amsterdam, honestly, if you want to compare Amsterdam with Cali, because we went to Amsterdam twice. What's the place where it's next to Cali where it's always gloomy and it's here that has a high suicide rate? Oh, Seattle. Got some fire, fire. But they got a high suicide rate. That's what you want to smoke over there. No, I'm not saying that's what that. And I went there and we did a concert. That ain't spooky to you? No, I think. Think about it. Take your time with that. It's not spooky to me. It's so gloomy out there that I think that. Seattle, you want to get high in a gloomy place. Listen, I smoked some bubble gum out there. It was beautiful. OK, it was the best. One of the best tastes we ever smoked. OK. I was in Seattle. Mm, right. But Seattle is a smorgasbord of people. It's kind of like New York, but weird, weirder. Just all types of weird people, like different shapes and bodies. Different shapes and bodies. It's like, all right, look, sometimes I sit around and I think about TV and cartoons. So our people watch. Yep. Yep. You understand? Yeah. So like I go to the mall and people watching, just like, look at these fans, look at this man's body, look at this woman and think about characters. You really mean? That's mean. How is that mean? Oh, yeah, he's not. He's not aware of what's going on in the world. He's like, he said, you know, 80s. No, but how is that mean? You going to people, you going to go pick on people at the mall and shit because they because they got out of these. That's not me. If you look at Family Guy, if you look at The Simpsons, if you look at all of these these cartoons, you that nigga would be like, look at that nigga right there. You a pointy niggas, a regular niggas in the street. Look at that nigga in the wheelchair. That nigga. Stop it. You was one of those niggas. Stop it. Stop it. He's a bully. Characters. OK. He's a bully. Right. I'm more like Tom and Jerry, right? Right, right. We never seen that lady. No. You never seen that lady's face or anything to do with her. But we always know that that lady is a black lady and she's swatting and beating and chasing at it. The mouse and Tom, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. It's just characters. D. Characters. You be you have you had right now. That's funny, man. You have right. You are high right now, aren't you? What did you smoke before you came in? Before I came. I think it was. I don't even like I don't even like we. No, let me just a lot of. Living because you lot of. That sound though. Yeah. You're making me hungry. Definitely making me hungry. Yeah, all this new. You know, this this day and age is crazy. Think about it. So in our heyday, when Candy Rain was at the top of the charts, the world didn't accept that so for real. And I can't even say the world, the industry executives. Didn't accept that that we were cannabis friendly. Like, oh, yeah, it was too early, right? Yeah, yeah. Any R&B singers, too. Correct. Yeah. But I mean, R&B look a certain type of way. Right. How about a quote in? Yeah, not necessarily because you had, you know, the the the Joda season, the bad. Yeah. But the first time you even hear somebody talking about, you know, as an R&B singer, we on a I'm thinking D'Angelo, Chocolate Time. There you go. Yeah. Right. But guess what? Those records were still awesome records. And to see my point was just to say to see how openly accepted it is now. It's almost like a slap in our face because we sit here and we look like, damn, we were shunned by the executives like, damn, all the fuck we wanted to do was just smoke our joint. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Now, yeah, now it's like, oh, so it's not to be like, like, wow, this is. Yeah. You know, it's crazy because it's still, even though it wasn't legal back then. Now you have all these different places where they're making it legal. We knew back then. Bruh, y'all need y'all on line. Y'all on strand. So for real. Yeah, candy rain, candy rain, we don't have it, we're working on it. Well, those are the things that we're doing right now. All the different ventures and the different things. I want that for you, Katie. I want that for you. Actually, that's funny. I'm actually the one that started the company. Dig, dig. That's how I like some shit you do. It's called Self Real 420. I like it. Coming soon. I like it. I like it. That's gonna happen. You're gonna be very successful at this shit. Yeah, we have all types of stuff, man. I can't even get into it, but it's. It's gonna be big. It's gonna be big. I can dig it. I can dig it. Hey, let me get, let me get it on. So for real, you know, wow, groupie story, man. I know y'all got some nutty shit that didn't happen to y'all. No one is here. I'm gone. I don't have any groupie stories. So for real, wow, groupie story. Y'all don't know I ain't married now. I'm not married. But I mean, you talk about sex symbol stuff earlier, like this, man. I used to be catching paintings left and right. Groupie stories, man. Left and right. Catching paintings left and right. It's been a while. It's like, not actually on the stage, but like. I'm talking about when you, your first come out. Listen, I have, I have five kids, maybe six. All of them is like. It was all a blur. One, two, three, four, five. In a row. Yes, in a row. So that just goes to show you right there what candy rain and every little thing was done. Oh, okay, got you. Those things, you know, especially when they think about our kids, they're old enough now. It's almost, it's almost an embarrassment, especially because it's like me, I'm saying it. That's why I let you talk. And then I said, it's almost like an embarrassment for me to tell you a story because I have daughters. You understand? I got that. So, so let me finish. As, as I know, my daughters are at the age of when I was out there doing my fuck Greek. It's not healthy for me as a man. Like that's why I said me as her father and as my son's father's. You understand? I don't glorify my bullshit. I use the opportunity platform. I don't think that's bullshit. I know, I was just finishing. You got grown. I got it. Thank you. Look at that girl. All I was saying is that you got real responsible. You got responsible. I use these platforms and these opportunities so that when I do speak and I'm like, yo, yes, it's cool. My nigga, we could glorify that, but I'm gonna still segue and bring it back around to say that right now is a different time from back then. And I don't really want to get pigeonholed into that. I could still use this same energy and tell people that the positive aspect of doing the right thing, you understand? And still have a laugh out of it and still be, like, we could talk about all the fuck crazy shit that we was doing, but still make it to know that. Guess what? This is what you don't do. And what is it that you don't do? Listen, I don't do what we was doing. Having, listen, you don't do what we was doing. Going out there having reckless, senseless, crazy sex, sex, drugs, rock and roll. That's what comes with the industry. So at the end of the day, I heard what he said. I can't wait till he finish. I heard what he said. Our message is not to, you know, I'm like, oh, look, that happened. Some of our children were a product of these things, you understand? So how could I sit here and try to make light of this scenario? You don't have any, look at the old dirty bastards and all these different people. No. Yeah, I got it. Can I get it? Can I get it? Yeah, you got it. All right, well, you see what he just talking about? I agree with him. Man, I'm gonna give Brian a hug in a minute. Yes, I agree with him totally, but at the same time, I have a movie. It's called Driving Mr. Longstorm. Now, what Mr. Longstorm is about is about what he was just talking about. Right. The fuckery. My dick is what got me in trouble. You understand? But in the United States, you can be held hostage and the right to drive can be taken away from me. But what Driving Mr. Longstorm is about is about everything that he was talking about. You don't go out there and have sex unprotected. You don't run around and look like you, glorifying the groupie stories or whatever, but what the groupie stories got me is I am Mr. Longstorm and I'm sitting in the back of my car and I don't have a license and I can't drive and I'm being held hostage in America because I had sex. You're talking about child support? Yes, because I have sex and they took it. But if you can't pay the child support, right? I got it. Right? And every time you go into something, something happens. Yeah. And you can't pay the child support. You try to go to work. It locks you in. All types of stuff is happening. So Mr. Longstorm is a long storm that he's gone through. But his dick is what got him in trouble by messing with different women and they got put him on child support and that is a lesson for men. Beg up, my nigga, or else you will be Mr. Longstorm. You won't be able to drive nowhere. Your ass is going to be locked up and Mr. Longstorm gets locked up cussing. Y'all like a scared straight program for groupie love. I mean, it's just a part of my life. That's just a story of my life where it happened to me. You understand? I got on the condom right now. Thank you. I don't trust the bitches in my daydreams. Thank you. Yeah, I know they after my disability check. I'm not, yeah, I'm with you on that, man. So it's actually like a comedy, but it's a serious comedy. Yeah. You understand? No, no, that's dope. Because you don't hit the side. You don't hit the side. It's always like just mad as hell. And then my driver, he jumps out the car, then I jump in the driver's seat, then I end up going to jail again. And then I'm, it's just a real funny comedy, man. Yeah, it's a war with yourself. Yeah, yeah. You know, the higher you is fighting with the lower you and shit, yeah, I got it. Trust me, Brian, I felt you all the way on that. You know what I'm saying? Like I said, I even had a, I was telling you about I was having a conversation with Casey about the same thing, and it ain't nothing that he liked to talk about either. But you, we know on the toasted up videos and whatnot and the Tupac, they acted a fool. Yeah, I think, you know, it's still part of it now. Did, did, did. You know what I mean? It's not something that's gone nowhere. With this comes goons, comes stories. So what's real is what's real. What were your kids? They want to be in the entertainment business. What do y'all say to them? Well, no poem of big poem, I shot up a little poem of big poem. My kids are rappers. They don't, they don't have them. They just did a little bit of, you know, guidance. You know, I'm kind of skeptical of them just because of the simple fact that what's going on in the industry with rappers. I don't want to see anything happen to my voice. You know, and these rappers are target system. So I'm just like, you know what? Guys, stay on your love-making music. You know what I mean? Just stick with the love-making music and send a message in your songs. Don't get out here with this knucklehead shit falling to bullshit. End up in jail over rapping. They ain't just rapping. A lot of them, it seems like they proven that they really live in these lives, this life. They're trying to prove that they live this life. And that's where it ends up, you know, or imitating life, you know. It's a, when we were coming up, you know, they used, I think the term used to be called studio gangsters. People who will rap about things, but then they really wasn't doing that. It was just more theater of the mind. But today, kids a lot more active. Yeah, that was the second way to where we at now though, you know what I'm saying? That what you talking about that timeframe and how we was putting our, because really if we didn't have the hip hop and how we was doing it, then it would have took it to the streets and it was positive. But then of course now we got a situation now where you're expressing yourself in the entertainment business, you're telling the truth. So really that's the stupid, that's the stupid. In the entertainment business, entertain. It's not the truth. I see what you're telling the business. I see what you just did. How do we know that this is the truth that they're telling? Well, no, let me, let me, let me. But what I'm saying is, let me jump in as well. Good, yeah, because yeah. Because I wanted to make a great point as far as this flip side to it. I don't necessarily feel like they're faking the funk or they're doing anything like, oh, we need to now do what we're doing in our wraps. I think it's following them. This, the lifestyle that they were living and because the industry is saying give me more content that's telling me to kill my brother and my sister and disrespect women, hip hop didn't start like that. So we already know the executive, yeah, this shit could turn real political and I'm real, real, real on point with where this is at because these youth, this youth right now is they're following the wrong agenda. Yeah, the rappers that are talking about it ain't really living that. If you really understand, it's just like, I was looking at this, I was looking at something from poor righteous teacher. It's like we reflect on where hip hop used to have a positive message. So right now, we just have to really commission the puffies and the JZs and everybody who's up there and say, look, now we are in position enough to say, no, enough. Enough. They ain't finna do that. Guess what? I know they're not gonna do that. Listen, they're not gonna do that. We know why. Why wouldn't they do that? Because there ain't no money in that. I think there is money in it. There's money in whatever we sit in. When you try to, this is how kids do you. This is how kids do you these days. When you speak on, y'all need to chill out and da da da da and say, now you the old nigga and you hating on them and they tell you, you had your time, nigga, just get out of our way, let us do our thing. They don't, the kids don't listen to nothing. So when you're trying to OG, Dave, you're a hater. Hold on, I'm gonna show you the reason I begged it different. I'm gonna use, for instance, a Kendrick Lamar, right? And the reason I use him is in these different regions, even before you had the Andre 3000, I don't know who we have right now in comparison who would represent a current Andre 3000, but those different people, they still gave you positive in the midst of the storm that's going on. So right now with that same talent, cause it all is about talent and dollars, right now all it takes is someone to pioneer that movement. One of the JZ's, the Puffy's and say, you know what? If we really, really care about us, we're gonna really start trying to change the narrative. And say, look, guess what? The same way it took time for us to get to where we at, it's gonna take time to heal it. But that's like somebody stepping up and being the new Martin Luther King. They scared of a bullet, they scared of a bullet. Guess what? KRS-1 is still alive. Thank you. He is the most, what you mean? I'm about to tell you what I mean. He's been speaking that positive thing, right? Correct. But he could actually tap into records. Yeah, but the people that listen to KRS-1 is the people that came up on KRS-1. Correct. Like, and how many of us is that? What I'm saying is there's people that's still alive, that's still that, that's still that. The young, the kids don't know him. Yeah, and that's where the money is. And that's where the algorithms is. And that's where our phones come in. No one cares about morals. No one cares about messages. No one cares about anything else, except making money. There's young, so what you do is look. So what you do is this. Pay attention to it, but that's where we got to kind of... Just like basketball, right? Oh, let me show you basketball, right? We run it down the court. Guess what? A pivot. It's called a pivot. I'm gonna go now another way. If we continue to go this way, we continue going down the road of destruction. But yeah, you have to... It only takes one person. And one is going to follow another. It's called each one... You can't be scared of a bulldog. It's called each one, teach one. So at the end of the day, someone can't say, if we all doing what you're all doing? Oh, well, nah, ain't nobody. Guess what? Ain't nothing gonna get done. And we're gonna sit here 15 more, 30 more years looking like, oh my God. First off, you really are 6'6". But check this out. I was just watching Chris Brown. Chris Brown, he just did a media run with, like, was it a drink champs, Gilly and Big Boy in the neighborhood. Now, Chris Brown is a quote, unquote, R&B singer, right? Correct. Pop star. Yeah, you're pop star. Now, Chris Brown is the big... He's been compared on many different platforms. Michael Jackson. One of the biggest stars of all time. The biggest stars of all time, right now. Right. He is the biggest star of all time. Right. And so, you know, I would consider him to be an R&B singer. That's how I first came out and first saw him. Half of his project, or the majority of it, is hip-hop, him rapping. Yes. So he really didn't do the numbers that he was expecting to do. What do you mean on the last wave? It was the last wave. Yeah, he sold 70,000. Hey, this is still Fido. Huh? He's still Fido. No, he still... No, he definitely is still Fido. But he felt like that people wasn't... His core fan base didn't support him on that. Correct. They felt like they didn't support him on that. But I felt like it was because he's not being true to... They should have. He stopped being Chris. He stopped being Chris. He stopped being Chris Brown. They didn't want to hear Chris Brown rapping. They wanted to hear Chris Brown being Chris Brown. That's it. I want to hear Chris Brown be Chris Brown. Chris Brown is Chris Brown rapping. To me, Chris Brown is Chris Brown rapping. It's just Chris Brown chose to rap. But he's been rapping since he came up. He made the point that he made. We can't change that. I'm not changing it. Clearly, what he just said was Chris Brown... Okay, the numbers didn't lie, right? The numbers didn't lie. He switched up, and he didn't give them what he normally was giving them. It just shows you... He's still Chris Brown. He's still the gop to me. Chris Brown hasn't been rapping since the beginning, but we know he can do it, but that ain't what we're coming to him for. Exactly. But still, why don't you do a whole rapping album? He's doing that because that's the people that he hangs around. And that's the thing... He's singing it for other people. The more active you are, the more you're really into, the more active you are, the more the kids respond to. Correct. You know what I'm saying? Even on his last explanation for it, he was like, all right, I'm about to get it bracken now. Because I see y'all tripping. I'm pissed off. I'm about to get it bracken. Right. Of course. I mean, nobody... When Chris Brown comes out, no one... He's not a rapper. So for him to do a move like that, that's risky. But at the same time, he can do that. Chris Brown can do whatever he wants. You can do whatever you want to do. But then, hey, the people want what they want. Thank you. That's what I was getting at. What did you just say? He said he's going to get it bracken. He's going to turn right back around and go give them what they want. No, that's not what he... No. No. He's feeling to go full throttle with rapping and taking it to the streets. No. Yeah. He on to it with Lil Baby now. Get out of here. Yeah. No. That's... He's about to get it bracken, baby. Yeah, but I think, you know, it's evolution, you know what I mean? Regardless of what... It's evolution. You know, and even though... You know, I always say that. Who did it? Tyrese did it. Tyrese. People didn't want to see Black Tide. They didn't want to fucking see Black Tide, man. Tyrese, don't be Black Tide. Yeah. I mean, as great as he might've felt and people was feeling, guess what? Your fans... And he was down. Thank you. Your fans don't want to hear it. Yeah. Not when they already know you for the Coca-Cola boy and Tyrese. Did y'all ever do that? Did y'all ever try to slip some rap in? I'm a rapper. Absolutely. I've been rapping all my life. I've been told to stop rapping when I came, when I became so famous. Have you said to me, you don't do that. Let me do that. And suppressed what I do. How did that make you feel? He just said it. He said, and suppressed what I do. He just said how it made him feel. Okay, well, shit. Suppressed. What is it? I don't know what that shit means. You gotta help me out with it. He told me, yo, pump your brakes, bro. It's over. Real is not gonna wrap. I am the rapper. Okay. And I'm going to rap on y'all stuff. It made me feel like, hey, God, man, what the fuck? Why? All right. Fuck it. Hey, shit, I'm coming. Let's keep it moving. I'm not the one that's going to be a problem. I'm a team player. Let's go. Let's keep it moving. But guess what? I always do this. No matter what, it's not something that I can help. Right. It's just like songs. Did you have a rap name for yourself? K.D. K.D. K.D. K.D. King Dre. King Dre. Yeah. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Amen. Listen, I know y'all got some more famous shit to do. Y'all about to head to the studio and jump on this new project. This is the first of many times I'm going to have y'all on my show and whatnot. I can't wait to see you again. I've learned so much. I mean, I hope you had just as much as fun as I did. Yeah, absolutely. Is there anything that y'all want to say to New Jack Thriller City, man, before we get up out of here? New Jack Thriller City, you already know. So for real, we here. Stay tuned. Got a lot of great things in store for y'all. Yeah, singles coming. Movie coming soon. Call the truth. Projects coming. Yeah. Other than that, y'all. Jack Triller, baby. No way. Like I always say, you just can't say you realize something. You got to be mad. Yo, check this out. Make sure you subscribe right now on YouTube to New Jack Thriller City. I'm going to see y'all next time. Do I have something in mind? Y'all go to commercials. Don't kiss them holes in the mouth unless you got to.