 What's up guys, we're going to daily dose of classic this should be episode number four if I know how to count I Clearly don't know how to DPS because I play a rep paladin, but but maybe I can know how to count so Daily dose of classic number four. I think people have been really enjoying this so I'm gonna keep doing it Almost every day. Maybe not every day exactly, but almost every day, and then I'll keep posting these to YouTube So if you're watching this on YouTube, hey, how's it going? If you're free to like and subscribe all those memes, right? So yeah today what we're gonna talk about is I'm gonna keep it short because I've These tend to get a little bit long-winded, so I'm going to try and keep this one a little bit shorter And I've also been posting more than one a day in order to get caught up So maybe this will allow people who are watching on YouTube or retroactively whatever To get a chance to actually get caught up, right? You like it long not short Well, this is some days. It'll be long some days will be short, right? and What I wanted to talk about today is we're gonna we're gonna bring up We're gonna bring up an old meme. Okay, it's not super old but it's it's it's kind of an old meme right and I want to talk about the concept of The blacklist right I want to talk about the concept of the blacklist and when this thing happened when this thing was first When this thing was first kind of Brought up it was whenever there was this whole Like it was soda poppin was coming off of a 20 hour stream And he was frustrated because the server stuff or whatever and and he's just kind of talking right and then what happens is people take What he's saying out of context people take what he's saying out of context and try and turn it into something that it's not right Now the thing is with the blacklist The thing is with the blacklist. Yeah, that's fan Beal, right? The thing is the blacklist is that Blacklist have always existed, right? I've played vanilla. Wow. A lot of you guys played vanilla. Wow And the people played will remember and it wasn't specific to vanilla, right? Blacklist of always they've always existed But That's muted is that muted Yeah, okay, sorry phone buzzed and it distracted me squirrel. Anyway, so Blacklist have always existed and what they are they're they're things basically that you might have as part of your community, right? Guilds group of friends, whatever who that says hey We don't want to group with these guys because of this right this guy is a ninja. Whatever. We're blacklisting him, right? This guild is is toxic. Everybody in this guild is bad. Whatever They're they're like they're bad to group with stuff like that And then they might get like black listed, right? That's part of the social dynamics of vanilla. Wow, that's part of the social dynamics of original. Wow, right and I think that People taking that out of context and trying to turn it into something else of like oh like Because I'm a streamer. I'm gonna make everybody hate you or this and that it's kind of absurd, right? It's kind of ridiculous I Remember, I mean I can name you two examples, right? One and My point is is that that's that's not even what Soda Poppin was saying But that's what everybody was trying to make it out to be that he was saying right? That's one But but two examples of this Back on Illidan, right? I played on Illidan for quite a bit in vanilla And there was this killing die death's Imperial entourage and they very famously had something called the die blacklist And with the die blacklist you had with the die blacklist you had basically Everybody that they were like oh like these guys are ninjas, whatever we're not gonna group with these guys These guys suck whatever as part of that too You kind of had like a kill on sight list was my understanding, right? and then you had team ice and blood legion and A bunch of these really good horde kills on Illidan back in vanilla 2 so That it was kind of a meme the die blacklist was the die blacklist was kind of a meme on Illidan Illidan was a server notorious for the amount of drama and ridiculous things that happened there It's cool, right? to to watch and kind of like point and laugh at right but It's at the same time. It's just kind of like okay I guess this can get kind of absurd they got to the point where they made their own website called illa drama calm And it was a it was an off-site forum so that they could basically talk about things and they could do things Related to their server and this is back in like 2004 or five. I'm sure it was made like 2005 or six I can't remember but illa drama Was made off-site because you had the server forums on the wow website But it was moderated by by blizzard and your account was linked to it and all this stuff They made that I'm sure just to basically be able to handle their own stuff. Okay So just lost my stuff real quick so Here's what I wanted to talk about today is I think people talking about a blacklist and having like a public blacklist is Not a good idea okay, whenever I was rating in rate three on Private server stuff on YouTube. I had one of my officers send me a list of people that he was not gonna group within ZG right he literally had a list of people that he was not gonna group within ZG and He's like this is my blacklist for ZG Refused a group of these guys right because they cause problems they're Annoying for whatever reason right they're slow this or that they're they're pulling extra packs They're wiping the raid and I looked at the list and it's literally like it's it's like 10 people in our own guild So this ends up being one of those things this ends up being one of these things that Again it happens, but this wasn't public right having a public blacklist like this and If he had gone and publicly been like parading around that these players suck I don't like these guys this or that then it would have had other people It would have had other people in the guild or other players on the server treating them negatively for things that you know what it's it's fine if like you're If you're not as good of a player or somebody else that's fine, right? That's one thing now If you're like a bad person if you're if you're a jerk and You're not right to the community people around you. That's another thing Right, so this is something that and here's what I wanted to load up and talk about today and this is something that Ulsting made he sent this to me earlier today and I I'm to be honest. I'm not a big fan of this right having a having a website right, I think having a website to basically have a public blacklist where You can have people go in and basically good boy points bad boy points, whatever and basically try and Basically try and like ruin somebody with whatever community people you have right imagine if imagine if I don't like somebody Right imagine if I don't like somebody as a streamer or whoever with however many viewers and I'm like, you know what if this guy I don't like this this guy killed his odd S-fand, okay and And I like downvote myself right or downvote the guy or upvote the guy, right? I mean, it's it's pretty I Think there's too much potential For manipulation and there's too many people playing the game to be able to like handle this properly I think when Ulsting made this I Don't think this is something that is I don't think it was malicious, right? But this right here is exactly what This right here is exactly kind of what people were trying to make a big deal about what soda poppin said for Because because basically having like a public blacklist and you're sitting there and basically you're Attacking other people and this and that or like somebody can go on there and just for whatever reason there There's no accountability, right? And that's kind of what this all boils down to right whether it's Manipulating it by being somebody with a large following whether it's Random people just going on there and just no no no don't like this guy this guy won a piece of loot over me I don't like him, right? I Think it's not right. I think that this kind of is akin to The the instant satisfaction instant gratification instant results system nowadays of Like basically being able to instantly report somebody whether it's a game of League of Legends Or me being like, you know what? Who's this guy? Oh, and f Owen report player for whatever, right? I Don't like that, right? I think I think this is something that's probably not good So yeah, I think I think that blacklists are fine like having a guild blacklist or or like a you know Whatever community or part of a guild friend group, whatever, right? I'm gonna be like a guild alliance blacklist, right? These are things that are natural and these are things that are going to happen because you're going to hear about certain people We're basically jerks and people who They they are not good people to group with and then you find out why right? This is something that's naturally going to happen however, I Think something public like this Although like I'm sure all sing I like I'm sure you put a good amount of work into this all that stuff I don't want to take that away from you, but I think something like this is not only Not only kind of a bad thing for the game But I think that even if this existed and people were to use it I think that you'd have to look at it and be like you can't really there's no accountability So you can't really look at anything like this, right? That's how I feel You're doing a stream to list you and mass lag your screwed. Yeah. I mean, it's just like it's it's almost like a social Like like a public like I don't know. It's like a social public social standing, which is just kind of weird, right? Now we're always going to meme about the blacklist We don't run with this guy is different than nobody wrote this guy. Yeah, exactly Chinese social point system. Yeah, I don't know I'm not familiar but um But yeah, well classic I've been ignore less like in retail. Yeah, there's ignore lists If you don't if you don't like it, right? If you don't if you don't like to hear somebody talk You don't enjoy being with somebody then I do think You have an ignore list for that, right? If somebody is is making a fuss and trade chat just non-stop and you're just like, okay this guy's being rude or Making like whatever remarks that you don't want to hear you have an ignore list for that You also have 23 tango charlie for gifted subs tango charlie. Thank you for the gifted subs man. Thank you the five gifted. Look at that So please remember that blacklist Well, I didn't make this saskia. I didn't make this I'm saying Ulsting made this website what I'm saying is like I don't think this is something good for the the environment of the game, right? That's that's my point. So I Yeah, I think it's just you just ignore people and move on. So Warren. What's up, dude? It's radar. I will score on classic. Well, here's the thing classic is gonna have logs and stuff, right? I don't think I think Because why is classic gonna have logs because they they had our private servers, right? now the log website on private servers is is really really bugged and it doesn't go back very far because There was legacy players or so there was there was legacy logs and realm players, right? They had two different things and What happened is? legacy logs you add legacy logs and Realm players two different logging websites, right? They went together and they merged into legacy players right and This is basically to make a better website or whatever But because of the nature of like data manipulation Just the difficulty of having like all these different things from different all these different sources of data from different private servers from different raids All that stuff imported through an add-on There's going to be a lot of bugs, right? I remember at one point. It said the top DPS rep paladin was at one point like I was the top DPS rep paladin on on a certain fight and Or no, I was the second top DPS, right? And then the top DPS Was an undead mage, but it was listed as a rep Pali And I was like wait what it didn't make any sense, right? The website's naturally gonna have bugs like that Now with that being said oh another thing too is they they didn't have imported Realm players and they didn't have imported legacy logs Retroactively into this as far as I know because none of the logs now we didn't log regularly whenever we rated in BWLMC but Anything that we had we did have here Doesn't seem to be on this website. So like for me this didn't really I think legacy players didn't really pick up until after my ban, so Yeah Why didn't you paint for this for my brain? Sometimes it's easier for me to explain something if I draw something out while I'm talking about it. So Yeah I'm not right now I can be on a couple hours talking more about this with you But my plan is to create accounts so people can create their own private blacklist that others can see the public one is more For fun. Yeah, but but what I'm thinking and like I said, I don't want to take anything away from you I don't want to take anything away from you all staying in the effort and all the stuff that you put into it But I do think that something like this is probably bad for the the environment the community of the game in my opinion so How do you guys feel about how do you guys feel about blacklists are interested in how European service start classic some comment What do you mean BT twitch or be twitch? Complete trash of its public. I don't care Hate them blacklist bad as I'm by tablet. I will buy a tablet so so you can actually read what I'm writing a little bit better But yeah, I will I will get I will get a tablet so I can do that I think public pillory is usually a pretty bad idea Yeah, so I think basically like Like it just comes down to that it just comes down to It just comes down to basically whether it's public or not, right? You're allowed to not like people you're allowed to You're allowed to Basically say as a guild like hey guys don't group with these guys or hey guys You see somebody in this guild the skilled causes problems of kill and sight list Incredibly dumb and the fans of big streamers and guilds will abuse it. Yeah, I mean that's that's kind of the way I see it to right. I think it could be abused by anybody, right? I think I mean I think whether it's it's big streamers or whatever and not even streamers It's it's their communities, right? It's not necessarily like their fault You know But yeah, why is chat on screen faster? I don't know kind of weird So there's so many different scenarios that someone could spyfully destroy someone's reputation when they've done nothing wrong Yeah, and and generally speaking whenever this happens on a server and so oh this guy's a ninja in trade chat Like I don't know why it seems that It seems that it's almost never it almost never happens to where like somebody calls somebody a ninja and they're not actually a ninja and Like it sticks, right like some of us will say that it's like to do ninja this no, okay, right? Because people will know it's you toxic and socially manipulated see China are the episodes of community in black mirror about social rankings Yeah, I mean I don't know anything about that, but So I don't really want to speak on it, but I do think one of you have like basically public social rankings. It's it's probably not a good idea That's that's kind of the way that I see it. So if it's fine, but public health. No, yeah, exactly Joke them Thank you for the twitch prime appreciate that dude If anything that'll encourage more trolls chasing bad boy points. Yeah, I mean, it's it's definitely going to bring some people that right It's funny when everybody gets annoyed with the guy spanning about the ninja leader completely forgetting about the ninja Well, yeah, sometimes Sometimes people complaining about the ninja item get more annoying Like I remember being on like somebody like just so-and-so's a ninja and just like repeatedly spamming trade chat with it And everyone's like dude now everybody hates you more than the ninja, right? If you say something if you say hey, this happened or whatever They're like people will know right, but I want to real spam relentlessly. It's like dude I like the ninja was bothering you. Okay, but now Everybody in trade chat is annoyed with you because you're just spamming about it nonstop Like you I know you've got to know how to say it, right? I feel like there'll be zero server community in classic Most people are the vfm mindset no rum community would not even consider calling out someone No, actually, I don't think so. I think how the game the game I don't want to say this J48 thank you for the twitch prime the game manifests itself in a way that you You have You don't have to but Embracing the social dynamics in the game is going to be an easier path Then not doing it that way and I think people in General will always take the path of least resistance in order to get what they want to do done. So And retail wow whenever I can go and load up LFR or whatever, okay? If I want to go do something like that and just do a raid as path of least resistance, right? If I if the only way for me to see a raid at all is to try and join a guild and try and get in a Run and and do all that then that's the way that I'm gonna do it so When the path of least resistance Puts you in maybe a little bit uncomfortable situation because I think it's no secret, right people on the internet Not everybody but people on the internet. They might have a little bit of social anxiety Right people who play video games all day. They might have a little bit social anxiety They just they just prefer to be in the comfort of their own home playing games and that kind of stuff, right? Maybe being with our online friends and that's totally fine, right? But a natural product of that is Okay, I can just queue up and just play I don't have to make friends or whatever great, right? It might be a slightly uncomfortable situation for you to actually have to go out and make friends with people But what ends up happening is getting out of your comfort zone a little bit Gives you a little bit more of a rewarding playing experience and will keep you invested into the game I remember I remember back in the day whenever Whenever I quit Wow I Quit Wow not because of Not not not because of well not only because of how the game was going, right? I didn't only quit because I didn't like the direction the game was going I quit because of this because Friends I was kind of like this at the beginning of wrath I Quit right I came back After I quit at the beginning of my senior year, right? I had football and this kind of stuff right American cake on a ball right hand egg I had football and all this stuff going on then I came back towards the end of the year, right? The end of the school year and whenever I came back Sure, I did not like the social stigma behind achievements Right Link your achievement if you want to get in the run, bro. I did not like that I did not like the emphasis on gear score. What's your gear score? What's your item level? I did not like that How rep Palin's played? They were really strong But it I didn't like how they played right it just felt a little bit. It felt like more clunky and stuff to me Because I was so used to playing ret for the last two expansions, which is funny, right? It's pretty ironic Despite all this This is the main reason why I didn't keep playing is because by the time I had come back almost everyone I knew That I had played with in vanilla human gamer 91 just drew sub for five B. C. Hey, it's bad When am I getting my a fan shirt? It's been almost three months my friend That's a long time Uh DM me your order number and I'm going to check on that because something might have gotten lost. That's a really long time Yeah, something might have gotten lost DM me your order number. I'm gonna be I'm gonna be redoing how how the the store orders and stuff go and They're like, I'm gonna be making a new store basically I'm in the process of working on that But uh, yeah, that that sounds like a big mistake. So I'm gonna I'm gonna DM me on discord your order number and I'll get it figured out so Well, no, sometimes it gets lost in the mail, too That's that has happened before but okay Anyway, as I was saying, yeah, but it's been on the blacklist. Yeah Anyway, as I was saying Vanilla device x just reset for 13 months less than one month until classic Poku Thanks device. Thanks for the 13 months, dude. Thank you, man. So um, so yeah, as I was saying This vanilla through burning crusade all the people that I had played with during this time Almost all of them had quit like nobody was actively playing anymore. So whenever I was there I'm sitting here at level 80. I can't get into a run because I don't have enough gear score I don't have any achievements to show that I know how to play the game and on top of all that I Didn't have anybody to turn to to play the game with Uh, and it's at the end of wrath. I Kind of felt like ostracized and I was like, well, this isn't the same game that I used to play right, that's why I always say like to me wrath was kind of the beginning of the end and I I do think that I Think that Cataclysm is one of the game like the hard line of whatever the game changed significantly but to me Wrath was kind of the beginning of the end for those reasons and It's kind of unfortunate, but that Three dollars his band you are here. I did have a question when you are eating food with your shirt off How do you manage to not get food stuck in your chest hair? It's kind of nice to have food right there if you get hungry though. What are your thoughts? Let me show you something This is a very good question. Got you guru. It very much relates to daily dose of classic like we're doing today Frick I thought I posted this picture. I guess I didn't in a nutshell. Yes. It is nice to have food for later Yeah It is nice to have food safe for later. So yeah Thanks for the three dollars Yeah, buzzkill, sorry Also j-48, thank you for the twitch prime. I missed that a second ago. Thank you, dude So yeah, that's that's kind of how I felt right and was it soft to you. You said you had a similar experience Yeah, I think a lot of people right I think a lot of people had a had a similar experience of that which is pretty unfortunate, right? But that's just kind of how it goes That's how you feel with BFA. Yeah, I think now now there's systems in the game In BFA that you can kind of catch up more solo Right, but it goes back to what I was saying earlier and this is kind of what the difference is It's it's about people wanting to take the path of least resistance, right? Like if you have If you have water, right? Let's say you have a let's say you have a hole in the ground, right? And this hole in the ground You're filling it with water Apparently that's how water looks and you have a hole It's this big and you have a hole. It's this big More water is gonna pour through this hole, right? Some will go through this hole Right, but there's least resistance this way Right. Yeah, this is classic. This is a classic water. This is more classic than classic water Wait, what is so hard to understand about this? Wait, why are you guys question-marking? It looks like a penis and no it doesn't Con more to just reset for 10 months. What? Happy birthday, brother. Did you pick up my laundry? Con more to thank you for the 10 months. Appreciate that, dude No, so so what I'm saying is like my dad says the same thing about this. See Jake Ritter's beat you have a you have an intelligent father Okay, what I'm saying is let's say let's say you have something that flows, right? You have something that flows, okay? If if you have an easier path To go one way more more stuff is gonna flow through the easier path, right? You have a bigger opening, right? Are you his father? Maybe have you guys call me dad? Well, and okay for the for the I know that Pavley's resistance applies. No water will go through the small home hole I know but that's not what I was saying in the specific example Some people are still gonna do it the hard way, right through the small hole Some people are still gonna do it the hard way, but more people are going to go through the big the the easy way, right? What is this so hard to understand? This is not it's not hard to understand guys Okay, so anyway as I was saying I think that that's part of the reason why classic wow is and not just classic but burning crusade to it makes for like memorable experiences that kind of let you sink your teeth into the game and Kind of let you sink your teeth into the game And it keeps you hooked because of the people that are there right because the community Right, obviously like the design of the game and stuff like that is good, right? People say like oh like it's nostalgia or this and that it's not The game content is great 23 tango Charlie donated five dollars the graphics the MSI toaster you're using is just amazing I'm gonna order one wake reveal. Thanks. Thanks tango Charlie. Thank you for the five dollars appreciate that so Yeah, that's kind of a that's That's kind of the point of what I'm saying right is Whenever you took that away from people like me, that's one of our I lost that's that's one of our I lost interest in In the game at the end of wrath so Anyways guys, I said I was gonna keep it a little bit shorter today. We talked about the blacklist We talked about some things Generally speaking like I want these I want these videos to be kind of more discussion based these daily dose classic videos Be a little bit more discussion based sometimes I'll come up with a topic and we'll talk about stuff Big thing today was was talking about the blacklist Stream is not over stream is not over guys. It's just the daily dose of classic that I'm put on my youtube channel So if you guys missed it youtube.com slash s-fan TV check me out on twitch or watch them on youtube twitch.tv slash s-fan TV and I'll see you guys tomorrow