 All right, I'd like to call to order the Cool Chester Planning Commission, it is 7-10. So the first item today we're going to have is agenda considerations, solutions of agenda items or revisions for our agenda board. This will be a new item we're going to take. Thank you. This will be a new item we're going to add just in case we want to make last minute decisions on our agenda. So anything you'd like to add to that, Kathy? No. Okay, so we're going to go to these are comments and questions from the public not related to the agenda. We're going to see if there's another one purpose. Very good. Thank you. All right, here we go. So we have development regulations. Public outreach related to development standards in the area of East Lake Shore Drive. I'm really told Kathy on this. Go ahead. All right. That's what we want to do. So this has been a work in progress for quite some time at varying stages. The last two town plans, I believe, had direction in it to look at the zoning along both West Lake Shore and East Lake Shore Drive. West Lake Shore was rezoned in 2016, if I remember right. And at the time it was just a little too much to get to East Lake Shore. The 2019 town plan reaffirmed that as a goal. And when the planning commission met after sort of the COVID hiatus throughout last summer, identified the rezoning of East Lake Shore as the number one priority. So here we are kicking off some of the public outreach for that. We have tonight to get us started as more of an interactive session. We'll start with some of what we call a visual preference survey. If you look around the room, you're going to see a bunch of pictures up on the wall. In the back corner here, there is a table with a bunch of sticky pads and some pencils. I'm hoping that everybody will take some, walk around to the various pictures. I want to start by saying that none of these are in Colchester. Most of them are in Vermont. So these are not completely out of scale with Vermont. But there's a lot of thoughts I bet you already have on them and probably will have on them. So if you could just sort of spread yourselves out once I'm done chatting, grab those. What I'm hoping everyone will do is take a look at them. Write anything on those sticky notes that you like. Maybe label it as an L. Anything you dislike. Try to be as specific as possible. You could talk about windows, doors, closets to the road, height, character, anything that pops out to you in terms of what is appealing to you. And try to put that in context of Eastlake Shore Drive. I think that's important. Maybe there's something you like in Burlington but you wouldn't necessarily like on this road. So that's going to be exercise one. Maybe I'm catching up. So what do you say is all of Eastlake Shore Drive residential now and we're talking about changing it from residential to something else? We don't know. When we're kicking this off we're trying to understand what folks are envisioning. So this is a visioning exercise. It's possible, very likely to be a rezoning. It's a bit of a background. Eastlake Shore right now is R2. That is the same zoning and you can see it on this map here. Feel free to hop in and look at that as you're bouncing around. That is the same zoning that extends out quite a bit. Close-up Williams Road includes a lot of some of the more suburban areas. If you're not sure what R2 means, this board over here is another place I invite you to add some comments. What you'll see on there is Lakeshore One and Lakeshore Two. Lakeshore One is Westlake Shore Lakeside. That's the area that was rezoned in 2016. It is different than Lakeshore Two. That's the Westlake Shore Drive non-lake side. So you can see what sort of was envisioned and what has been in place now for six or seven years for that area. I've also included the current zoning up there for R2. That is the current zoning for most of Eastlake Shore. I say most. The first few properties as you'll see on this map as you turn on to Eastlake Shore are actually part of the L1 and L2 that were part of the rezoning for Westlake Shore. I don't know the history of why those few properties were considered. What's that again? So there's a few properties on Eastlake Shore that were included in the L1, L2 rezoning. I think it's just the way it laid out. We wanted consistency. Okay. Yeah, so it's not in the entirety of Eastlake Shore. It's most of it, but you'll see here. As for the depths of the properties, I think that's something else, especially the non-lake side of Eastlake Shore. Something else we'll be talking about and trying to figure out. There are some properties that have frontage right on Eastlake Shore. There are some that have that frontage but extend back quite a bit. I think the parcel lines are on this map so you can see those. I don't know. It'll be part of what we're talking about where that rezoning, if it happens, would take place. There's a general agreement that the R2 zoning is not appropriate for at least parts of Eastlake Shore. We have 40-foot heights that are permitted in R2. There's been some talk about that. There's lot sizes. Other dimensional standards. I won't get into too much because what we're here tonight is not to talk to you but to hear from you. Part of that will be hearing from you in terms of your notes here. I invite you to also leave some notes up here. You'll see some blanks on sort of those dimensional standards. I hope everybody can get to that one especially. Any other notes for things that you think about that stand out to you along Eastlake Shore would be really helpful for the Planning Commission to hear back. When we're done with this exercise, we'll sort of take a look through and then if anyone wants to share their thoughts or talk about anything, there's definitely going to be some time to hear that and talk through that again. The goal of tonight is really a listening session. It's to hear from everyone and we don't have anything prepared to give to you. We can talk when we're done with this about timing and what the next steps will be. But our goal tonight is to hear from folks on what they want to see and what they like. And some of that will come through sort of assessing some of these visualizations. You'll see that some of these are non-residential properties. Feel free to add any thoughts you have on the very idea of any sort of non-residential property or specifics as you bounce around. Are you distinguishing between lakeside and non-lakeside in this visualization? In the visualization? Sure. If you'd like to do that on your notes but you don't have to. You certainly feel free to say love this for lakeside, hate it, anything like that. Be as specific or as broad as you'd like with your notes, put as many as you like. If you'd like to write a bunch about one that you absolutely like and never get to the rest, that's okay. It's really up to you. Again, I do hope that everyone does at least take a look at this board because there's some more specifics that you can provide and share. There's some coffee, some water, some cookies in the back. I really hope this is sort of a fun and engaging exercise because I think it's a good way for us to hear from people without having to force you to stand in a microphone and elaborate on various things. And sometimes things are more challenging to articulate until you can see them. And hopefully that'll be what this exercise is for. I hope the commissioners to do the exercise as well and share some thoughts or at least maybe bounce around and talk to people. I want to thank everybody for coming tonight too. This is very important to us. We can discuss amongst ourselves all day but people that live there, they should have the biggest opinion. So this is the best turnout we can ask for. I hope you all feel comfortable taking a walk around like Kathy has suggested. This is something new to try for us. Hopefully it just gets more ideas out there. Can I ask a question before we start? Absolutely. In terms of there's a town rec center that has a plan. Kathy, do you know anything about that? I'm sorry, I don't hear anything. Town rec center? So that would be the hastel property? Yeah. Hey, I'm even better. That would be here. Okay. Is there any plans on either side of East Lake Shore Drive that go with that property in terms of the size of the center? Are they going to do anything on the lake side with those plans? Not by all. So I do, I'm glad you asked that question. I do want to, and this isn't a direct response to your question, but I do want to remind folks that the planning commission has, they have a big job. The regulations certainly cover a bunch, but there's also a bunch that they don't cover. I know that there are folks who may have lingering sewer questions. There may be lingering questions about traffic and sidewalks. Please understand that nowhere in the regulations does, do we address those things, speed limits, et cetera. And while you may have very valid and important thoughts on those, we're hoping what you can share with the commission tonight are those items that we can regulate and think about and change if need be. You mentioned a lot of things that you can't regulate. What are the things you can regulate? Ah, yeah. So dimensional standards being probably the biggest one. Yeah. So when you're talking about the structure, the setbacks from the road, the heights, the amount of the lot that something can cover, parking requirements for an individual lot. There's a use of a building or a lot that can get regulated through zoning. There's aesthetic criteria, design criteria, for example, must have a door on the front, must have windows, anything like that. It's sort of mostly what comes to mind. All right. Yeah. I'm sure there's something I'm forgetting, but those are the big things that we're really looking at for this exercise. High requirements. Yeah. Yeah. The dimensional stuff. Sound. Any other questions? I might have to go along. Yeah. I'll be bouncing around too. And there's a whole bunch of sticky notes. Grab as many as you need. Pencils, pens. I have just one more question. Open spaces. Uh-huh. So we can say we'd like more open spaces or we don't feel that there's any open spaces left at this point. So how do we, because we can't reconstruct what's already there so to speak. So that's a great question. So you're talking about public open spaces? Yeah. Yeah. So not necessarily as part of this exercise. I'm happy to talk to you one-on-one about it. When we talk about, there are certain tools that we're not considering tonight, like an official map that communities can use to plan for open spaces. It's a long-range plan where you might identify a space. I don't think that we are looking at doing that exercise anytime soon. But it is a tool that is available to planning commissioners. You're looking at height and dimension. The dimensions are pretty much set in what's on there so to speak. So we might adjust and change. Yeah. So the regulations especially for the lakeside do allow for rebuilding in a current footprint. And that's important. And I don't believe there's been any talk about changing that. It becomes a very sticky legal issue if you look at anything different than that. But that is, again, a footprint that does not hold over to or is a nonconform law, at least on the lakeside. The regulations speak to not increasing that nonconformity but, again, there's also some height issues. There are still lots that are not built or could be subdivided. We still see, we get calls about these lots. So they're not all necessarily going to turn over in the way that we've seen many. But I think the majority, right, are... And then you don't know how many open spaces there are on East... Because we're just dealing with these pictures. I would say, you know, there's 89 and there's a definite basis, comfortably, for what we do in planning. I mean, I'm just saying, because it can say open law spaces, I don't even know. I think we don't. Publicly owned? Yeah. Yeah, so... Yeah. Any food for thought? So once we get started, we'll do this and then we can come to the mic about that same discussion again and for ideas and for what we're looking at. So we can start with that. Oh, absolutely. Go ahead. I think it's a select board realm but in terms of traffic calming, speed bumps or something that would kind of slow down. Yeah, so that's going to be the select board realm. I mean, there's an argument to be made that there are tools, there are design tools that can help in traffic calming. Ironically, a lot of times there's a belief that as you bring properties closer to the road that that could be a natural traffic calming. Purchase, anytime you have the visibility of pedestrians and the livability, it can have a natural calming effect. So there's some design criteria that might speak to that but as far as actual speed bumps, speeds, that's going to go to the select board not the line of commission. Alright. I'm going to bounce around if that's okay. Yeah, absolutely. Take a look. As well. West Lakes Shore, just to give you an idea of what you're trying to get an understanding if, for example, you think that the lake side of East Lakes Shore is similar to the lake side of West Lakes Shore. This would tell you what the, right, because I think they're back, you know, if you're going down West Lakes Shore, you're more in the retail area. It is very diverse. There are some small homes on small lots just like you have on East Lakes Shore. Not as many. There's some larger lots. There are some streets going on, I think. There's, I think, an inn or a hotel of some sort in breakfast, maybe, I think. Okay. I'm very interested in the building. I think that the retail home is to put across the street from West Lakes Shore. And we're trying to, we're trying to figure it out. And that's 40 feet or so. We have three stories. We have three stories. We have four stories. I remember that. I spent a lot of time here. And you left the new house. Check it. Check it. That's great. That's great. That's great. And please, if there's any... Bip-Bip... Yeah. No, I think it would be a lot better. Bip-Bip... ...but in the first minute... 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