 Please, who participate in the career fair will get a copy of that as well, so it's easy for them to follow up and know who attended the fair, what your contact information is, and, you know, be able to look at your LinkedIn profile if they're interested in seeing more about your background. So, at this point, Jim, I'm going to turn it over to you to kind of kick us off with talking a little bit about some of the stuff we're going to dive into as far as getting prepared to apply to these great companies as we move forward. So, over to you. Thanks, John. So, pardon me, there we are. So a couple of things as a Linux Foundation meeting we have an anti trust policy that we want everybody to be aware of so sometimes in these meetings we have people who represent organizations who may be in a sense in competition with whether and it's our intention with the Linux Foundation that any event, including this one, would not violate any anti trust laws or policies so if you're aware of any way in which your participation would violate those anti trust laws of regulations then we encourage you not to participate in the meeting, but that said, there's more information on the antitrust policy out at the Linux Foundation address here. And then code of conduct is always very important to the Linux Foundation we're an open inclusive community, we want to provide a hassle harassment free experience for everyone for all participants at all of our events, whether they're in person or virtual. So we do want to have an open exchange of ideas and expressions, but we require that the environment recognize the value of every individual and group, and that we want to be sure that we treat each other with respect and professionalism at all times. So it's fine to disagree with each other but let's you know do it in a professional respectful way that's all we ask more on the code of conduct at the Linux Foundation site as well. That said, tonight's agenda looks sort of like this. You know john actually just did preview the career concept I'm going to hit some blockchain concepts faster than anybody ever should just to move through the just move through those to get sort of a level set on some ideas around blockchain. Some of you have lots of experience, some of you have none so the idea is just a level set some basic concepts. And then I'll have john talk to industry use cases, and then he can actually introduce the career session panels we have tonight, which is a good group, and then I'll take the questions for the panel discussion and we'll have an open q amp a after the panel session, as well, and let john talk a little bit more at the end maybe about the next session and expectations around that and then finally I do have some resources to share this presentation deck that I have will wind up posting that. So, john I think we, the session, the recording the video recording is going to be up on YouTube right in the hyper ledger channel. Absolutely this will be on YouTube channel hyper ledger. Yes, we can add the session deck up there then as well. Correct. Okay, great. All right. So that's what the session looks like. Let me see if I can get my. Not working. There it is career fair concept. It's like my keyboard is not working well. I'll just for that but some basic concepts on blockchain. One of the major things blockchain is offering is called help with the major problem that basically trust fuels the world today period. And so I use the slide just as trust fuels the world. And the problem is we're low everywhere and trust doesn't matter what the domain is you can be talking about relationships countries, technology, you know, social media anything US Congress and trust is a challenge everywhere today. And one of the things that blockchain can help with is automated digital trust it's not the only part of that equation but it's it offers some unique capabilities let's put it that way, which is one of the reasons that blockchain is of interest to many organizations for sure. That said, the concept of what a blockchain is just briefly these five things sort of set it apart. Compared to a quote existing solutions that are out there. So there are plenty of existing ways to integrate organizations data and operations across networks that's not new at all. In the blockchain space we call it DLT as well for distributed ledger technology. They're similar in concept not so different but they're basically about trusted shared data across a network. And there's five characteristics I'll say that are common to all blockchain networks, regardless of how different they are, and they're massive differences just like there are in types of databases or any or programming languages as well. And at the blockchain there's some basic differences across all of them, but most of them have in common these characteristics that you're dealing with a peer network. There's no central manager to the network it's usually a peer network of organizations on what they call nodes. The other main concept is that you have an immutable or at least tamper resistant shared ledger. And so what that means is, unlike a regular database, which I can go in and edit anything in the database if I have permission to with a blockchain you can't edit or change or delete data. You can only add new data, which is very different than a traditional database. The other thing is that in a sense this ledger is shared across the network. So each organization that hosts a node on the network will have its own copy of the blockchain. And the other thing is that in a sense this ledger is shared across the network so each organization that hosts a node on the network will have its own copy of the blockchain, and that blockchain copy if you will, is synchronized every time I add a transaction as particle block we write that block of transactions out to the network, and all of the nodes on the network will wind up adding that block to their copy of the shared ledger. And then we have something called smart contracts. So a smart contracts, we have basically a what I call secured program that implements a contract between different parties. So an example would be, I worked on auto marketplace using hyperledger fabric. And in that case we had dealers that were buying and selling automobiles, new automobiles used automobiles, and so on. And in that model. We implemented basically the sale and the transfer of ownership as smart contracts on the in this case the fabric blockchain we worked on. And so they basically write transactions you could have a and the transactions are not so different in some cases than traditional transactions you do maybe on an ERP system. The only difference is that they're the transactions are in a sense across the network. In a sense in near near real time I'll say which is nice. So if I was selling a car and my car network, the fact that john bought that car. The fact that anybody who's connected to the network at what through whatever node is going to realize as soon as john buys the car that that car is no longer available that transaction has gone through it's been in a sense, approved by the network. And once that transaction is now complete that in a car is in a sense, no longer available for sale to anybody else in the network so it's very similar to traditional systems except for the fact that we have this availability of a current state for everybody that's connected to the network. And then consensus. What is that about well in a traditional system we have transactions that we just write. So if I was taking an order. My application might write to an Oracle database, you know that this order from john I just took the order and now I'm posting the order the database. Other than having the authority to write that transaction to Oracle database after I validated. There's really nothing else needed, but in a blockchain network. We're saying no this is more of a decentralized model for governance over transactions and in that concept what we do is the nodes all execute their copy of a smart contract on their copy of shared ledger. Whatever organizations in the network are responsible by policy for approving or validating if you will, or endorsing the fact that that transaction is valid. Those organizations collectively will do that and that's what we call consensus so they'll come back and say either this transaction is approved based on policy or it's rejected based on policy by the whole network. So you're getting the network in a sense to make that decision not one single node. That's a difference. And then the last thing is, because it is a different type of a shared network real time that governance services are really really important so every blockchain implementation that's out there will define for their network what's appropriate on how to manage that so a lot of the platforms whether it be Bitcoin, Ethereum, whatever the public ones already have baked in governance models for that. When you take a quote a permission blockchain like a hyper ledger fabric if you're setting up your own version of that then you get to decide the governance services and if not, if you're joining say a fabric network that exists. So the concept of what those governance services are, and how you manage governance is actually pretty important in blockchain world as well, and we try to be more transparent about what the rules are for governance as well. So with that, I talked about the fact there's a smart contract which effectively is I'll go to secure program that's running on each of the nodes in the network for whatever the application is, and the diagram at the bottom sort of shows this I have a business application we have the identity it says an application developer identity but in reality it's going to the contract is going to be deployed onto a blockchain network and here's the contract on the network. And once you execute the contract which is here it'll write transactions into a block that get added to the ledger here showing you the blockchain down here. Once you've written a transaction and the block is completed what you'll come back with most blockchain networks will return back the status on the transaction update back to the in a sense application that sent it. The important thing is that with a blockchain, the transactions are always signed. So we know in a sense, who is the sense party that initiated the transaction sometimes transactions even require multiple parties to sign the transaction because they're digitally signed. We can identify in a sense who initiated that transaction, which is important in most blockchain solutions. There's also the concept, which isn't really well defined normally but we have logical networks so as an example, most of us can get on the Facebook or Instagram or whatever you want to join on a social media network. There's lots of networks, many of them are public. Many are private, but whatever the network is there's a logical network that both people here as individuals and organizations can access in a logical network. But when you actually look at any blockchain network you say yeah but how's it actually implemented. Well down here in gray, I'm showing this conceptual network that's in this dotted green circle here. My particular example only has three host organizations in gray. So this is an unusual network there's only three companies hosting my blockchain. If you notice two of those are on cloud one, maybe that's AWS and maybe cloud two over here is the IBM cloud. So you can see that in a sense in a blockchain network, the physical network, I could have multiple organizations, even in different clouds that are all connected into one physical network, potentially. On top of that though I have a logical network and what that means is logically I can have lots of organizations even individuals that can participate in that blockchain network based on how it's set up. So something like Ethereum or Bitcoin are public networks that are available in a sense for anyone to access there's other ones as well they're public, but then you have private networks as well. So in business we have lots of private networks in blockchain. It's not hard to replicate those as well. So that's the concept of a logical network on top like any logical business network but it's mapping down to it in this case a physical blockchain network. Trusted data is a big deal. And what's different is you all know not you but I'll say I confess. Google knows probably more about me than most of the relationships I've had as friends and believe me I'm sure they do. So for everything, almost everything I've ever done. You know they probably track everything I've ever done through a browser. So the deal is in the current world of course Google can make money off of the data they have about me, but I don't get any I can't participate in that in any way. At least they give me some controls I can go into Google not Google and I can go into some of the other networks, you know social media ones like Facebook and they give me some level of today probably ability to control certain preferences about what data is shared or not. But a lot of that is out of my control if you read the terms of their terms of use if you will. What's different in the blockchain world we're saying data has high value, in fact trusted data that's been verified on a blockchain network with what we also say consent management is a very big market going forward. So, this is an example from Andy Martin at IBM, who has done a lot of work in figuring out what I call the economics of blockchain and one of the things that has value now but will have even more in the future is this notion that if we have data that's been verified and trusted, and the right parties have consented to a certain use of that data that there's actually high value for that. So best example is I worked with Moby on mobility. And we were looking at car data, and whether it be accident data or trip data. Before trying to issue car insurance policies they do it through standard underwriting today to figure out what standard classes are risk are. But if you can get live data from a vehicle in terms of who's driving how safe is the driver where they going. What kind of accidents had they had what kind of accidents are going on in the area, you take all that live data and actually use that you could actually come up with a far better model for assessing risk as an insurance would be when johns driving around Denver, then using what I call the current models for assigned risk, if you will. So, that data has potentially high economic value, and that's just one example of, you know, close thousands of examples like that. And Andy Martin has this little view showing you a network where we have a blockchain network, and we're getting information in this case about a buyer and a seller for digital asset. We say it calls it a digital twin but you can't sell physically a car and network you have to sell, I'll call it the digital twin or the concept of what that car is the identity of that far. So Andy goes on to define use cases for blockchain in a token economy we call it where you have tokens like not only cryptocurrencies, but other kinds of tokens that can represent any asset could be a piece of art could be music a ticket to a concert, those can all be represented by tokens, electronic tokens or digital tokens on a network. And so you can trade these digital assets as tokens, or just maybe trade the rights to those on a network. So smart contracts and enable us to in a sense define the rules of how those assets are traded processed and so on between parties. And then finally the blockchain becomes that shared ledger of trusted data and source of the truth because we know you can't change the data on the blockchain once it's been written. Or when you write data to a blockchain. Yes, it can't be changed. It's permanent. On the other hand, is the data accurate that doesn't automatically guarantee the data is accurate. So I could have made an error on source entry on data. And it goes out the network agrees it's valid data, but they still write it out there if they if I priced, you know whatever in order for john long, as long as it follows the rules of the smart contract. That network would write that transaction out there I would have to issue a quote a corrected transaction or an adjustment or full credit to the order to john to get the right data out there so it's no guarantee that the source date is perfect, but at least the data that goes out there we know shared and it can't be changed. So there's identities evolving. And in the world, we started off here on the left with what I call siloed identities which is usually user ID and password for security. So I identify myself to the system and they say Jim, we're going to enroll you give you an account like the electric company. I have a user ID and a password I can log in there and manage my account at my electric company. What's different is we had this thing called federated identity. Oauth architecture, which says we can share identities that might be accepted by different organizations so I have a LinkedIn identity I have a Facebook identity I have a Google account. You could have an Apple ID a Samsung ID can have lots of different identities from these. Identity providers and different organizations will accept those so that my electric company, I could use my Facebook account or my Google account to log into my electric company to my electric company and they would have identified me that way, as opposed to me setting up a separate ID over here. Now that sounds nice and efficient. The only problem is, I wind up using my Facebook ID or my Google account or or Apple ID everywhere. If that is hacked or stolen or whatever now instead of just having one place where that identity has been compromised. I might have, you know, 3040 50 in 100 different places that have access to that shared identity so the federated identity model was convenient, but not particularly secure. In many cases, it added more risk. So the new thing called self sovereign identity is an architecture and blockchain kind of fits that really really well. There are some examples around the world of countries that have started implementing blockchain with self sovereign identity for stronger security cryptographic security better digital identity and so on on a blockchain best example of some of the places in Canada, British Columbia, Ontario, some of the other provinces up there have done a lot with self sovereign identity in the US. The state of Rhode Island actually succeeded in completing a POC with self sovereign identity and then moving into production, their plan to start a production project on that in 2023 to roll it out but this is different form of identity. You actually hold the identity yourself in a digital wallet. The government doesn't hold the identity you do what they do is they issued credentials so if I had my own self sovereign ID. I get a credential from the federal government that says here's your social security credential to prove that I have a social security number. Same thing with the bank I get a credential there I can get an employment credential all of those credentials in effect are installed in your digital wallet which you think can easily use. It's a different model and so different blockchains will support different identity methods. This triangle of trust, I can't emphasize enough whoops didn't want to go that far triangle of trust. I can't emphasize enough how the bit one of the big things that blockchain brings the table for existing solutions and new ones is the concept of automating digital trust. There's a little simple diagram here we have an issuer in this case it might be Cornell Cornell University issue Jim diploma. I'm the holder in green I have a diploma from Cornell. If John was going to hire me for his company. He's going to say Jim, you know, do you have a college degree and we'll say sure sure job I went to Cornell he doesn't all right can you prove that. It's awkward to have to Fed Exim, my Cornell physical diploma. It's a lot easier if I whoops, sorry, if I have a digital credential. And in the digital credential from Cornell, all I have to do is present that credential from my wallet consent to show it to john and he's the verifier on the lower right there. I'm going to get that and say okay, your, your college degree from Cornell has been verified digitally so if john and his company trust that Cornell is a valid college or university. If they have that trust line there, then John will say yes this is a valid degree from Cornell. And so that's one fact about you that we had verified a potomatically digitally. That's the advantage of this digital verification concept and trust. Last thing I want to show you is this in this diagram this is not a physical diagram of a network it's more of a conceptual diagram to say here's a typical stack that I had used to build a blockchain solution for a marketplace. And you can see there's all kinds of boxes on this thing that are of all different types of technologies on the bottom we have multiple cloud deployment platforms we can push to IBM cloud AWS Azure Google cloud on premises clouds other clouds and so on and the bottom. Lots of different places to deploy blockchain solutions but I have in these boxes lots and lots of different types of software and so on, not even looking at the hardware side of the network. What you see is the box in orange there was a hyper ledger fabric blockchain, and that had a bunch of capabilities smart ledger, smart contracts distributed ledger and a bunch of other features that are part of fabric. But if you look that orange box is the only box that's the blockchain. Everything else is other software and other network components. So if you think about implementing a blockchain solution. The blockchain part itself is really in that orange box whether it's hyper ledger fabric, quarter, theorem, whatever it is it's in the orange box if you will. So if you think about getting a job in blockchain. If somebody's rolling out some organization or a group of organizations is rolling out a new blockchain solution. It's not just the orange box where there's going to be work and job opportunities. So there's a put job opportunities technically across every one of those boxes. For all of the skill sets that you need there, on top of which there's also different roles in blockchain solutions not only to deploy them, but to manage them, maintain them and support them. So if you think about that life cycle of rolling out a blockchain solution and look at all the stuff that goes in there. Blockchain adds to it doesn't sort of take away from what existing technologies are so if you have a technology background my argument is going to be, you probably already have skill sets that are useful. If you've been managing technology or supporting it or operating it, you also probably have skill sets that are useful to people in the blockchain space. If you're an expert in blockchain, not at all, but at least you have a starting point that says hey wait a minute, you guys are looking at either rolling out a blockchain solution, or supporting one, and I do bring something to the table, even though I don't know anything about Ethereum or quarter or whatever the blockchain is specifically. So in that sense, you really want to build upon the knowledge you already have as a starting point. And yes, it would be great if we all learn more about blockchain. So that's the idea of some of the resources we'll talk about later. So John, I'm going to turn it back to you to talk more about industry use cases. Okay, great. And that was a wonderful overview about how blockchain works and some of the use cases. And right now, Jim, I'm going to take over and share my screen and just show my share. I apologize. There you go. Okay, let's just try it here. And I'm going to share this screen here. So everyone can see my screen share there. Yeah. Okay, perfect. So really what I want to talk about before we get into the nice panel discussion here is, you know, hyper ledger is well adopted in enterprises. And whether that's large companies, medium companies, small companies or government hyper ledger is really a go to solution as far as a permission blockchain. So I'm going to just kind of just do a little overview here, focused on, you know, both hyper ledger projects, and then also companies that are here to present and get on the panel discussion, what they're doing in the space. I think it's really exciting work. And I think that everyone here who wants to get into blockchain and be immersed in the space. There's a wealth of opportunity and I'll just kind of talk about some of these projects that I think would be relevant to you if you're interested in getting into the space or changing jobs within space. So first thing I'm going to do is look at some of the case studies that we have for hyper ledger. So there's LACC chain, which is basically using hyper ledger BESU to create the largest permission public blockchain. And you can see that's for government as a industry focus. And it's all about financial inclusion public good. And what I'll do is as we move along here I'll share some of these links that I'm going through, please go ahead and reference later on but I think that's a great project. Hitachi and well known brand is streamlining their procurement and they're using hyper ledger fabric. So those who are, you know, immersed in the community know hyper ledger fabric was really kind of the core kickoff of hyper ledger. And it's, you know, really going into another long term version now, but this is used for their contracts and document management. Another great company that is a well known brand is Bosch. And they have, you know, working with hyper ledger labs on the economy of things and looking into using this for IOT, which is another exciting industry vertical. So anyone who's interested in the Internet of Things and how blockchain applies to IOT, you know, Bosch is definitely doing good work around that space. Public Mint, they're also using hyper ledger basu and looking at payments and DeFi and you know people on Zoom call here probably heard of DeFi, decentralized finance and that's really another core component of blockchain. And they're using hyper ledger basu as well. We've got a few more here that I can look at. We've got Minehub and Qipsy and basically they're doing another project around supply chain. And they're looking at, you know, hyper ledger fabric as their solution and looking at, you know, both workflow, Layer 2 and private data collection. So, you know, we talked about kind of that private data collection when Jim was talking about his degree from Cornell and, you know, how we can share that out yet maintain privacy. And then Splunk and S&P Global. Everybody's heard of the S&P 500. And, you know, they're trying to correlate data across a bunch of data sets once again using hyper ledger fabric. So, you know, you can see there's a good theme here along finance and technology. So anyone in the audience who has a, you know, strong background in finance or technology, you know, blockchain is definitely a vertical that you can get into that really has a lot of growth associated with it. Tech Mahindra, they're doing another great hyper ledger fabric implementation. And what they're focused on is in pointing in for government and land registries. And, you know, blockchain is one of those solutions that's a perfect fit for land registries because everyone always wants to track the provenance of, you know, who owns a parcel and make sure that, you know, it's green clear to transfer. There's no existing liens on the property and, you know, blockchain is really a way to secure that. So, you know, ledger leopard, ballast digital search, you can see that these are a lot of ones focused yet again on supply chain and banking. And then here's another good one that's around public key infrastructure. And you can see that once again they went and use hyper ledger fabric for their project. So, here's just a whole bunch of ones and we can just kind of scroll down a little bit quicker now and show you some of these other ones. Light chain again, FinTech. This is based on hyper ledger sawtooth. We haven't talked about that yet, but that's another hyper ledger project. We've got hyper ledger fabric here for Dubai. And then Kiva has done a great project and I'm more familiar with the Kiva project offering Africa's first national digital decentralized ID system. And they've used hyper ledger indie, which is an identity platform using hyper ledger and they're doing a great work for that. So that's covering financial services and banking as well as decentralized ID. Walmart, they've been an early adopter of hyper ledger as well. Everybody's familiar with Walmart and they've done a lot with their supply chain and focused on hyper ledger fabric. So, you know, a few years ago they were talking about tracking, you know, produce on their hyper ledger fabric instance and that's really kind of grown up with hyper ledger and Walmart is really a great project. I've got some other ones here. We've got insurance. That's something that we haven't really talked about yet, but it's a great way of using blockchain to talk more about, you know, how do we pay out insurance? How do we ensure that whoever's coming to get a claim is actually insured and it really can reduce a lot of the overhead. You know, we have these claims adjusters that have to come out, but there's some innovations around, you know, being able to say, okay, you're in a designated disaster area. Therefore, your claim is valid and we're going to issue you your insurance claim via blockchain. Pharmaceutical chain. This is another one that's right for innovation and making sure that you have the right prescription. It comes through and we have all the provenance for it. So there's never any question that it went from the supplier all the way through to the pharmacist to give you the right prescription. And that's very important as we move forward. C ledger, another great one around finance. Sarmitsu, they've done something with the National Bank of Cambodia, and they're using hyper ledger Rocha. So, you know, there's a lot of projects that constitute hyper ledgers, not just one blockchain. There's a lot of different projects under here. Joyce tow did around document management, which is another perfect use for blockchain and data privacy. Mine tree back to finance. And then some of the other players that we have is chain yard, they're focused on supply chain and I know that they're also interested in recruiting as well. And so, you know, we can definitely pass your information along to them. They've done a great job with both manufacturing and in the aerospace community. One thing I'll highlight with honeywell is they deal with a lot of the secondary market airplane parts that go into Boeing aircraft. And the one thing that we have to do is to make sure that whenever they're providing a part to an airplane, that full provenance for that part is known. And that they know the service life in that part and what aircraft that came out of when it was manufactured all those details. And using, you know, hyper ledger project is the way to really have the best provenance for those type of high quality and very valuable aerospace parts. And then change healthcare another great one BTP. Here's one that Jim talked about which is great. You know, British Columbia has really been at the forefront of adopting hyper ledger indie and really trying to promote open source and digital identity. And basically really trying to embrace being able to say if you have one identity with British Columbia, use it to go into your tax account. You can use it for your driver's license. And you can really, you know, begin to have control over what Jim talked about, which is self sovereign identity. I think that's one of the great use cases for blockchain is now you control your identity. Once you've established it, and then who has access to it and what part do they have access to. So, you know, you don't have to give them everything each time. You only have to give them what's relevant to that certain government agency that needs that data. Here's another look at Walmart. We already talked about their food supply chain. That's a great use case circular. We got mining. So, you know, being able to track and make sure that there's no conflict minerals for supply chain. And really to know where you're pulling stuff out of the ground is done in the right manner and in the right location without conflict. Scan Trust is another one. National Association of Realtors. This is great there. You can see real real estate is really one of the emerging tech sectors for taking advantage of blockchain. And then, you know, the global education is another one. And then, you know, so many global education, same type of thing. You know, looking at what is your credentials, what are your degrees, how do we share those securely, but effectively with whoever is looking to hire you. And, you know, that's something that we move forward here with the hiring process we're talking about in the blockchain space. And maybe these companies will get on board with that and, you know, look to adopt some of these technologies for that. A couple other things I'm just going to pop up here. We have Tracy join us from Accenture. And you can see I just pulled up one of their blockchain services pages here. But they've done a lot of work in the blockchain space and is really one of the leading consulting companies for blockchain. And, you know, we can just go through, I'll show this link as well. But you can see they've done a lot with decentralized identity, blockchain for supply chain, blockchain for social impact, which is fantastic. And, you know, you can see all the different partners that they have. So they're partners with all the big players in the space and definitely do a great job of consulting for them. And they've also done a lot with the digital twins as well. And I know Jim mentioned that earlier in the discussion, but I know Accenture has done a great project around digital twins. We can look at Cybel next. And, you know, there's the world's first proof of governance solution. So I'll have Christine talk about that when he's when she's on the panel discussion with Jim. But, you know, they've really done a great job of making sure that, you know, data governance is handled through blockchain and really secure. I don't know if Bill is always joining us or is it day two, but I'll just pop open DTC for a second. And Jim, if you want to weigh in on this, feel free to do so. But, you know, they're doing some real innovative things around, you know, post trade processing. With both Hyperledger and Ethereum through the Enterprise Ethereum Alliance. And I think they've also worked with R3, Korda, on projects as well. But they definitely, you know, they're settling quadrillions of dollars worth of stock and bond transactions. And they're the go-to agency to do that. And they really want to make sure that going forward, they're, you know, set up for the 21st century to really handle those transactions. Jim, you have anything specific you want to weigh in on that? Well, so there's a bunch of, like a lot of large organizations now. Ours is heavily focused on, we have all large companies, I'll say, organizations of any kind. We have huge digital transformation initiatives going on. To try to shift what they're doing from prior systems, I'll call it Web 1.0 or Web 2.0, onto newer technologies and so on. And newer ways of doing business, newer ways of integrating with everybody. And more accurate, more secure, all of that stuff. That said, we work with, I'll call it a lot of service partners to get our solutions out, like most big companies do. So actually Accenture is one of the major partners for us. So we just completed something called the Lithium Project, which is with Accenture actually doing the coding for us on a, what we call it, it was a digital dollar project. So if you think about central bank digital currencies, the Federal Reserve in the US is asking, well, what would that look like? And so the digital dollar project that Accenture helped found is trying to answer that question for different use cases. And so when they came to security settlement, they said, okay, let's talk to DTCC and see if you guys can do a project which we did called Project Lithium to try to figure out how that works. But it's a common thing for a lot of these big organizations now to say, gee, blockchain figures into the technologies we need, and we need people that can help us deliver those projects. And then the reverse is, you have the companies like Accenture and other service providers that say we have those kind of skill sets, and they're also trying to grow their practices as well. So that gives you a little flavor of how that worked. Perfect. Thanks, Jim. The final one I want to go over here and then I'm going to turn it over to Jim is going to be Kaleido. And Kaleido, we have Nico on from Kaleido. And they've really done a great job of being a blockchain as a service infrastructure provider. And I've had the pleasure of getting on with the hyper ledger firefly calls. And hearing the great presentations, you know, they continue to upgrade hyper ledger firefly as well. But if you want to work with a company that, you know, understands how to deploy blockchains effectively. And you want to focus more on your solution than really trying to get down into the weeds of setting up your entire blockchain infrastructure. Kaleido is a great company to work with. And they can really set up your blockchain ecosystem really at a very effective cost structure and very quickly as well. So Nico, you have anything you want to mention about that right now where we're on this? Or you want to say that until we get to the panel discussion? Yeah, that's great. Thank you, John. We can we can keep moving on if you want to. Okay, that sounds perfect. But you can see a lot of these great companies that they work with Citibank, Kroger, Shell. These are all name brand companies, Humana, World Wide Life Foundation, T-Mobile, ING. So, you know, really a great company doing wonderful work in the blockchain space and definitely a great supporter of hyper ledger as well. So, Jim, at this point, I'm going to go ahead and turn it over to you and let you start up the panel question. And I'm going to stop sharing now if you want. Sure. Thanks. Thanks, John. So yeah, I appreciate that industry overview. That was pretty extensive. Let me get out of here. Let me go back. Where is my presentation? Somewhere I got the presentation. It's probably in full screen mode. Let me get back here. Apologize. Get out of full screen. If you need me to pull up the questions. No, no, I'm fine with all that. I want to go back to the presentation. So let me give me one second. I'll dig my way in there under hyper ledger. Here it is. And here it is. And finally, here it is. Let me open this up. So, like anybody, I have too many things open on my desktop. So, by the way, I'm going to offer a free course on how to have 400 browser windows open at once. I do think I'm an expert at that. So let me make sure I get this. I want to do a couple of times. Much, much better. I don't want to put it. I'm stuck with that for the time being. So this is all good. That's why I don't want to be in the office. Let me go down here. So, a couple of things. We have, first of all, the panelists. So John gave a quick overview of who the panelists are Karen or Tony can't be with us tonight from hyper ledger. But we do have the others here. First, I want to give each of the panelists a shot to tell us a little bit in their own words, what they focus on for their company in a sense where's their company focus where they do so Christine if you want to leave it off with civil and you know the fact that your CEO tells a little bit about civil and what you're doing there. Absolutely thanks Jim and thanks john to everyone here pleasure to meet you and happy to be here. I'm civil is a governance innovation company and so we are focused on helping regulated industry, or industries that are pending regulation, prove governance wellness so understanding the effectiveness of their policies and procedures, and how they're working in compliance with with regulation. So we are an enterprise software and focused on key markets, like the financial sector supply chain web and anything that is in the regulated industry. Great. Thank you Christine. So, Bill is not online is he john. No I haven't seen bill online so let's move on. Alright so I'm DTCC but I'm already the moderator so I'll don't have to work as a panelist they won't be double duty tonight. But DTCC is the positive story trust and their incorporation and bill is director of information technology security. I work in the DLT space for them, and they have as I said a lot going on digital transformation, especially in the finance industry, doing all kinds of projects. So I'm guessing we have the nature, I don't know five 10 projects currently in blockchain alone. Tracy, I want to move on to you. So Tracy you have a quote an extensive background not just the Accenture but tell us a little bit about your background and specifically Accenture which is probably the largest organization I know of on the planet. I don't even know, I think, and I'll make this up. What do you have 600,000 employees or something second to Walmart and Planet Earth or something like that. 700,000. Hello all Tracy Kurt. I do work for Accenture. I have been with Accenture since 2019, but I got my start in blockchain back in 2015 at PayPal was taking a look at the IBM open blockchain platform which later became Hyperledger Fabric. So I guess I've been dealing with Hyperledger since 2015. I used to be a community architect for Hyperledger for a couple of years, and I am currently the technical steering committee chair of Hyperledger Foundation at Accenture. I am part of our Metaverse Continuum Business Group. I am specifically focused on technology architecture and specifically with a focus on blockchain decentralized identity, universal wallets, things of those nature. So definitely have a wide kind of varied background in the different sorts of blockchain technologies that exist out there. Not only Hyperledger, but Accenture is very much technology agnostic and focuses on a number of different blockchain platforms that exist out there. So happy to be here and happy to discuss as we go through what Accenture is working on and how you might get involved with Accenture as a potential future hire. Great. Thank you, Tracy. That's awesome. Yeah, and like I say Accenture is just enormous in terms of the things they're focused on on blockchain. It's, yeah, we could do, I don't know, two or three days on just briefly going through all of the work they do in that space. So Niko, Geyer, you want to give us a background on Kaleido yourself and what's going on there. Sure. Thanks, Jim. Appreciate it. Yeah, my name is Niko Geyer. I'm a full stack senior engineer at Kaleido. And Kaleido is a really cool startup, headquartered in Raleigh, North Carolina. We also just recently opened an office in Winchester, UK as well. So we're growing quickly. We have quite a few different positions open. So if you're looking to start your career in blockchain, we'd love to talk to you. But yeah, just a little bit about Kaleido. You know, John did a great job introducing it a minute ago. But you know, Kaleido started out as a just, you know, blockchain as a service was kind of our core product in the early days. And from there, we developed a really robust consortium as a service product as well. So, you know, lots of different companies that want to come together, form a consortium and use blockchain to integrate. We provide that as a service. We also will oftentimes work with the consortium to help either design or build certain applications for them. And then through the journey of building many of these consortium multi-party networks, we just, we saw many different common patterns in a lot of the different networks and applications that we were building. We said, boy, wouldn't it be really nice if there was an open source platform that had all of these building blocks in it that these patterns that we keep seeing in project after project. There was a comment that we could. Yeah, Nico, I think you're cutting out. Your audio is a little bit off, Nico. Yeah. Yeah, we're losing your audio at this point. Apologies. Can you hear me now? Yeah, we can hear you now. I switched to a worse microphone, but it works. I'll, I think my battery may have died. Where do I mic die, Sarge? Yeah, you were talking about and building. I think you had just started the discussion on firefly is the idea that you were trying to say we have a lot of common components across all these solutions. Yeah, so so basically we observed, we were, we're seeing the same patterns in many different applications, and we said, Hey, wouldn't it be great if there was a platform that had all these building blocks built into it that we could reuse. We could see you and better if that platform was open source. And so this is where hyper ledger firefly came from Kaleido contributed the original source code for hyper ledger firefly to the foundation and many of the maintainers are employees at Kaleido including myself. So that's what I do day to day. I both contribute code to the various firefly repos and I'm also the open source community lead for firefly as well. So I go to events like this talk to a lot of people on discord, help them learn about firefly and how how they can use it and that sort of thing. So really glad to be here today. Thanks. Thank you, Nico. And of course I want to warn the audience you may not hear a lot from him in the future because I tend to tie I want to tie him up with lots of questions just that I need answered about firefly so take advantage of the time you get from Nico because he says he and co I were both very useful and skilled resource. And I do want to emphasize, it's not just a firefly is a hyper ledger project, but I'll call it the economics of hyper ledger. And the concept of open source are unbeatable. So a lot of companies are not familiar with the value proposition that something like hyper ledger the Linux foundation bring to the table. When I go to work with companies, most of the time they say, you know, it'd really be great if we could build things that are reusable. So they're always talking about, gee, this is great, let's build something that's reusable and it's whatever it is they invest in. So, again, I walk into my latest company DTC and they're always saying, yeah, we got this whole system we want to improve reuse. And I say, okay, well if I start measuring reuse here. I start out by telling me what's the open source stuff you reuse and they go what I said well that's where I'm starting from. What didn't you have to pay for that you are using for free. And the answer they go, oh, okay, well I guess there's a few things and I said well maybe that's a problem. The benefit from an economic perspective is when you go to someplace like hyper ledger Linux foundation apache there's plenty of other ones as well. There's lots of what I call great software that's built by these communities and supported by these communities that in a sense, you can license those for free and use them. On top of that, because they're in it what I call sustainable economic model, be it collido or some of the other ones, Accenture is contributed to many open source projects as an example that are part of hyper ledger for sure. And so, you have big companies that are saying as Nico said, I need a way to make it cheaper for me and easier and improve the quality so I'll build something and they build components. So, as he said they built Firefly, but underneath Firefly, there were a lot of other components that they used as well. And so the economics of the open source model is phenomenal. And if companies are leveraging that well, or your organization's not you can always look like a genius by saying, hmm, how about if we get all these great components that are already in a sense industry proven that are out there are battle tested kind of a thing. And why don't we just start using some of those and cut the cost and time and improve the quality of our development work. And so you tend to look like a genius they're going oh gee that guy's really smart what a great idea. So I'll put with open source you have what I call a shopping exercise the other side of it is, I'm looking at Firefly right now for something and saying well okay if we want to use Firefly, they have this model that has interfaces for all kinds of services well if we want to use something that Firefly doesn't provide on our end of the. We can create an adapter for that interface, we do that. And then the opportunity is that well if we built the adapter for something new whatever the new thing is, then the smart thing would be to contribute that adapter back as a plugin to the Firefly community and hyper ledger, and you know let Nico's team decide if that's useful or not as a plugin if it is incorporated if it isn't, it's a one off, but that's a way to contribute back for in a sense all the savings that we have from using frameworks like hyper ledger projects and Firefly and so on. So there's a whole economic model there that I don't think is advertised well enough. So anyway I just did the advertisement for that. All right that said the format. We're going to go through a quite a short list of questions want to give the panelists I'm going to probably pick on a first panelist to answer each one of them but then from there. I'll go through and I'll ask everybody else to contribute and kick in on the same question as well. And then at the end of it, we're going to open it up for q amp a fairly quickly and as john said by the way if you're online. If you're interested in having your name and being contacted by one of the companies please make sure you get your email address and your LinkedIn profile, if you have that into the chat and john will take care of making sure that your information gets distributed to all the So the first question I have, and I'll start Tracy with Accenture because your company has a quote of broad focus everywhere what business cases and industry solutions. Has your company adopted or supported, which obviously I know I already gave the answer that I think it's a three day answer but I'll let you take a crack at it. Yeah, I think I think john displayed our blockchain index page I think it does a really good job of kind of talking about some of the different sorts of use cases and industry type solutions that we have with an Accenture. So as you probably are aware Accenture is focused on our clients and developing the solutions that they're asking for in the business cases that they're asking for. I see that we focused pretty much on the identity space, financial services and supply chain as the kind of industry use cases as john was mentioning when he went through the list so We have obviously a number of different sorts of solutions that exist out there. We did contribute as well. You mentioned a couple open source projects hyper ledger bevel and hyper ledger cactus that would contribute it. We focused on blockchain and deployment and blockchain interoperability respectively, but you know really it is what are the clients looking for and what are they looking to do and we find that it really falls into those three categories of identity, financial services and supply chain. Cool. All right, thanks. So Christine let me pop over to you and have you tell us a little bit about the use cases that civil has been looking at. Yeah, absolutely so we specifically at civil focus on the recordation or the ledger itself of blockchain technology and the immutability of it and so we're looking at recording governance components to the blockchain to capture in a moment in time. How well these policies are performing and so again we're still very very focused on governance and making it less complex more that if you are writing policy and procedures with specific intent to be in compliance with regulation that you can see over time, how well those policies are performing. Cool. And then Nico I'm going to kick it over to you. I know you guys you mentioned before the firefly thing that I'm focused on heavily. Before that you guys had been working as consultants in a lot of different use cases you want to give us some background there. Sure, yeah so a lot of different applications in production today in a bunch of different industries. Quite a few different consortium networks in industries such as healthcare finance supply chain insurance and there's probably a few that I'm forgetting as well so definitely like our bread and butter is sort of these consortium networks and lots of those are there's new ones being built on firefly now and we've upgraded some of the old ones to firefly now that you know some of them predate firefly as well so yeah yeah lots of stuff like that. Well and of course he did forget one so I'm going to pick on that and it's a swift CBDC POC. So Swift that does the cross border payments around the world internationally to do most of them has actually used a collider on firefly to build out one of those consortium networks for testing CBDC. And so I'm actually part of the group that's doing that kind of testing right now. So that obviously went well because I'm testing it and I can tell you it works. So, that's good news. Alright, so, again, focus back to hyper ledger Tracy hit on this a little bit nice, you know, hyper ledger projects and other blockchain deployments what are you using and why. And Tracy I'm going to ask you to start because it's not just that I'm sure Accenture uses a lot of these projects the reverse of it is as you mentioned you also contribute to these projects as well. Yeah, so I think, you know, this is a challenging one. Let me see if I can remember all 15 of the projects that we have right. I'm glad you're going to try not me. Thanks. Exactly. I'm not going to try but we definitely do use the majority I think of the different hyper ledger projects that are out there and in different ways. We have obviously have projects that use fabric. We have projects that use base you we have projects that use in the which of course brings in areas and Ursa. Of course we contribute to bevel and cactus. I know that in the past we have used potentially early versions of firefly. I think that they're, you know, if we look at kind of the different hyper ledger projects there's there's a number of different deployments that we have. We've really moved into what I would say production type deployments at this point, which is why we created bevel which was to allow for those production type deployments of different watching networks. And as I mentioned, we're technology agnostic. And so we don't focus on just one of these technologies we just don't focus on hyper ledger we actually focus across the board and on a number of different sorts of blockchain projects. And it really is, you know, choosing the right tool for the right job. So we look at the requirements of the projects that are coming in and determine what the right platform is to use. Sometimes it's not even a blockchain platform right that that we should be thinking so we do go through that process of understanding what the clients are looking for and I'm finding the best platform platform that that should be used for their particular use case. Yeah, and I will say, not only does DTC my company work with Accenture and a lot of projects but the other side of it is, we also benefited because we use the bevel work that they did as well. So I can, we're a consumer of that I should say so we thank Accenture for that work. And then Christine, why don't you tell us about Sybil and what you're looking to use hyper ledger for. Yeah, so we're specifically looking at fabric. And we are looking to record these governance components to directly to the blockchain and provide that as a retrievable data source for for our clients. So we're excited about, you know what blockchain has to offer in that particular space of recording. Our use case for blockchain is is very centralized it's private permission based a little bit different than you know other public projects but we're excited about the opportunity to provide that as a mechanism for recording governance components. And I'll say, so I know you use hyper ledger fabric but I'll say you also Sybil's role, if you think about a network is that they're a quote a level to service. So you think of running a blockchain network or any kind of a network whatever it is doesn't have to be blockchain but any network that involves managing policies and governance and so on, and you'd say oh, I could use Sybil Sybil as a governance services provider if you will to that network at a level to. So if you want to give us a maybe a quick context for how that usage works because I know you guys have done a lot with what I call improving the effectiveness of policy management. Yeah, so just sort of going off of that the layer to governance typically what you'll find within an organization is their layer one governance so that starts with the policies and the procedures and typically includes. A platform a software what we call GRC tools your governance risk compliance tools that are assessing risk based on attestation where we are different and where we sit on top is that we are not allowing our software to be a place of attestation. Instead we're integrating directly into event data, reading that data for its context in correlation to the policies and the procedures and understanding what that relationship is as a mechanism for measuring the effectiveness of those policies. Great, thanks. And then if I understand it right you're also using AI to, in a sense, based on that information make policy recommendations for improvement I think. Yeah, so AI is a small piece. I would think of proof of governance as a holistic system, starting with that policy so those are very contextual documents, starting with the intent behind the policy and being that we're very focused in the regulated industry. Seeing that regulation is really the premise for the entire life cycle of what is governance, how well is it working and is it delivering the intent that it is created for great thanks. All right, so now we're getting down to the tough questions. Did you want me to answer the last one? Oh, I'm sorry. I completely forgot. I'm so excited for a firefly I just keep consuming the stuff I forget everybody else doesn't know what I know about it at this point. Thanks, Nico. No worries. I'll make it quick because I know you want to be one. Yeah, so hyperledger products obviously firefly. Kaleido also uses hyperledger fabric and hyperledger basu as blockchains that can be run in Kaleido's blockchain as a service platform. We also offer a couple other non hyperledger chains as well. Go Ethereum, Quorum and Quorta are also offered through the Kaleido platform as well. And I think if I have it right, when you say Ethereum, that's really bringing on all of the compatible blockchains as well in that space like polygon and the other ones, right? So those that I was mentioning are specific chains that Kaleido runs. Our blockchain is a service platform. But beyond what Kaleido runs, firefly also has the ability to connect to, in theory, any EBM compatible chain. That's true as well. Yes. And then the other thing that's really, and this is what I like about the architecture of firefly is the concept that while, in a sense, out of the box, I get those connectivity options, if you will. The concept that you define interfaces for all the services in effect. And if I found one missing, I could say, gee, I would implement my own adapter or driver for that interface. And then I have the opportunity, as I said earlier, to contribute it back and say, hey, we built this thing. Do you guys have an interest in sharing it as part of the firefly network or not? So that's a pretty cool architecture that allows for things to grow, which I really like. Anyway, that gives us a quick overview of how people are using hyperledger technology in these different companies so far. And then let's flip it around and now talk about demand for blockchain related skills and roles within organizations, yours or somebody else's. So Tracy, maybe Accenture. Yeah, so at Accenture, I already put in the links for all of the different career pages and whatnot that we have. So we're hiring, not only for blockchain, but also for metaverse skills as well. So as I mentioned, I'm part of our metaverse continuum business group that's focused on the internet of place and the internet of ownership. So if we look at your XR skills, that would cover the internet of place. And if you look at the blockchain, digital objects, digital identity, digital money, that would be more focused on the blockchain space. And so, as far as skills across the board, it doesn't matter if you're a technologist or if you're somebody who has some sales experience, Accenture is looking to fill roles within the organization. So, you know, I think it's really, I think I said this last year, right? It's really up to you as far as the sort of thing that you're interested in when it comes to the type of work that you would want to, you know, suggest for yourself within Accenture. Accenture, as you mentioned, right, very large company has a number of different sorts of aspects and pieces and parts that kind of fit in together. So, we're looking for any sort of skills that you might have, if you're interested in the blockchain space, then there's probably a space for you. Excellent. Yeah, that's great. And like Tracy's right, Accenture is huge. So it's not just their organization, but they're connected to so many other projects around the world, which is big. And then Christine, I think in your case, you have use cases that you've already gone through, I guess, at Sybil, trying to figure out solutions to these different problems. And if I asked you to say, if you look at some of the clients you've been working with, hey, can you talk maybe a little bit about the kinds of skill sets that they might need to implement the kind of solutions that Sybil offers? Yeah, so there was a couple of questions in there, but we are and have been, you know, since we launched, speaking to just so many different verticals and so to Tracy's point, I think it's very specific to the organization, their needs. We're a little bit different in that we're not offering blockchain as a service. We're not a blockchain as a service organization. Sybil, again, is very specific to helping entities understand how well they're governing and measuring that and providing the analytics behind that. But there's so many different organizations, and I think for those that are in the audience that are looking to get into blockchain as a career, I think to your point earlier, Jim, it's not just about building the blockchain itself, being the coder and developer behind it, but there are so many other needs these organizations will have operating it managing first line, second line defense of it. So it really just depends on what you're passionate about. I think that's really an important component beyond just what organization you're planning to apply for. Are you really passionate about the specific area that you'll go into, because that passion will lead to you thinking outside of the box and continuing to develop and grow that specific area of the business that's really aligned with the bigger goal of the organization. Great. Thanks, Nico, on your end. I know, as you said, Kaleido, beyond the, in a sense, things that I'm looking at around Firefly, which is great. It's a, in a sense, a hyper ledger project that offers a lot of value for those of us that want to consume Firefly to speed up delivery of blockchain or consortium solutions for sure. That aside, Kaleido also has had, it sounds like a fair amount of experience in industry consulting too. So I know you have your team or your company has done work on the SWIFT project that I'm part of now, but it also has done work with in the healthcare space as well. So I think there's probably, I'll go to fair background that Kaleido would have on skill sets and roles within other organizations as well. Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, the question of what's the demand for blockchain related skills and roles, 100% of our roles, all of our roles, whether they're engineering or designers or marketers, they're all related to blockchain. So, Kaleido is a blockchain company. Cool. We have we have a lot of different roles in engineering specifically. And, you know, I think one of the, I won't lead into the next question, but I will say that, you know, primarily we looked when we are looking to hire engineers we look for great engineers first and foremost. And so, having specific industry experience in a, in a blockchain company or having built blockchain projects is not necessarily a prerequisite for all of our roles. Some of them it might be there, you know, some roles we have are very like blockchain engineer protocol specific. Those you probably have to have some experience but I'll say before I joined Kaleido I had not done, I had not written a web three app or built anything on a blockchain before so I've done a lot of learning on the job which has been great and I've loved it. But yeah, the need is there but we also recognize that there is not a, it's a very specialized industry. And so there's there's not just a large pool of very experienced blockchain engineers that are out there that show up every day looking for a job at Kaleido so primarily we look for great engineers. That's a phenomenal point because it I guess that's I'd say it's the opposite of the mainframe CICS cobalt marketplace today, where there's a lot of people with those skill sets, many of them of course retiring but at the same time the demand is going down fairly rapidly in this space, because blockchain is one of those core technologies that's in high demand right now. So the shortage of blockchain in a skilled blockchain engineers leads to exactly the kind of situation you talk about where companies will hire you and say hey you know what you bring a lot to the table already. You just don't bring that piece we figure you can learn that piece and that gets into the kind of resources we'll talk about later that both within an organization like Accenture or Kaleido. So there's a lot of internal training we do with DTCC. A lot of companies will do that now but outside of that there's also great training so if I want to learn Firefly, or some other hyper ledger project I go out to the hyper ledger site for that project and I go look and sure enough there's tutorials and starting points and all that kind of stuff so there's a lot a lot of resources we'll talk about that. So we actually hit this one already. I think I won't repeat the question but just what roles and an opportunity says your company to find out give you a chance to add anything if there's anything we missed so far Tracy anything you want to add on this. So yeah I guess potentially they I did see a question about CDBC that's we do CDBC. We found it help find it found the digital dollar project we're working with another number of central banks on their CDBC projects so that's definitely a space right I think it's very difficult for me to list all of the different types of opportunities that exist because there are so many. So you'll probably like ask me a question. Do you guys do this and I'll be like yep we do that. It's very hard to say that we don't do things a specific thing around the blockchain space so yeah like I said if you're thinking about blockchain and Accenture you know I'm sure we have some role but that works. Yeah you're right the better approach would have been to say so Tracy tell me what industries that Accenture doesn't work in and then that would have been a quicker conversation so I apologize for starting with one end of that problem. Probably would have said none there. There you go see that was a quick answer so that was nice. So right it does offer a lot of opportunity for sure. So again roles and opportunity Christine anything dead on your end. No nothing to add I would just say for those interested in civil follow our company page and we'll update when roles become available in that area. Great thanks and Nico anything else on your end. Yeah so I guess just to comment on the specific roles that we have, especially the ones we're looking to hire for an engineering we have front end back end and full stack, as well as protocol engineers. We also have design and marketing positions open as well. Good. Excellent. And the other side of this for I'll say, even civil who's newer to the game but I'll say certainly Accenture on the big end and collider probably in the middle. All of the client companies they work with probably need help to hit on a lot of the initiatives they're working on so it's not just with those organizations. How did can from your point of view, Tracy, how did candidates build their skills for blockchain roles. So I think there's a, there's a some good training certificates that exist out there that the Linux Foundation offers there's some edX courses that exists that that are offered looking internally maybe within your own company depending on what they work for they may actually have some training material and training courses on different sorts of blockchain roles. I know at Accenture we have a number of different courses focused on solidity development to focus on basically architecture, blockchain architecture and, you know, the tradeoffs that exist with the different sorts of platforms that we typically work with. So, you know, I think that there's there's a misconception, potentially, and I did see the one question about a good way for developer to make the move into blockchain. But if you're a developer, you've got the skills, right, developing for other applications that you may be doing now the blockchain pieces, a small piece of an overall technology architecture that exists for a blockchain project. And so you may already have the skills available to get involved with the blockchain project. You know, I do think that there are many different ways to get involved from from the actual coding perspective of, you know, it doesn't necessarily have to be smart contracts that you're coding, it could be the the front end application that works. You know, it could be a number of different sorts of things. So, you know, I think the skills are very transferable. I think, you know, as as an individual contributor myself somebody who started as a software engineer, you know, if you know one programming language picking up a second one probably isn't that challenging. So, you know, if you know something like a Java, or, or that sort of thing, it's possible that you already have the skills to write smart contracts on some of these platforms, or you have the skills to learn a language like Solidity, you know, if you know JavaScript moving to Solidity, it's probably pretty easy. So, you know, I would just say that, you know, don't don't cut yourself out of those watching all because you probably already have a lot of skills that you're going to need. Yeah, that's an awesome couple of a lot of awesome points there but I'll say one of them, even in my own company when I started DCC they were saying oh we have these learning paths Jim for DLT and blockchain and it's like I looked at and it's like okay. So, why do we build these. So we get to reinvent the wheel award because as Tracy said, there's a lot of free stuff or you can get like the edX courses that Tracy was talking about the hyperledger sports. You want a certification in that course you pay for the certification which is relatively affordable for sure compared to normal education, but if you just want to get the skill sets and you don't worry about the certification it's free. You know for those edX courses that Linux Foundation supports and that's really great so if I just want to learn how to do something I can go learn it. And the other point she made is brilliant on the fact that for most of these roles. When I think about, especially the implementations of it and I don't mean project managers and product owners and trainers and marketeers and all that. But I'm talking about and documentation specialist all of those are needed for awkward companies to roll out solutions of any kind. But when you look at the blockchain thing and I go back to that little diagram. She's right that there's only a small subset of people either setting up the infrastructure the blockchain or writing the smart contracts and that the bulk of what's going on in many cases is around the rest of it. And that's exactly the value proposition I think that fireflies trying to hit say wait a second, I think we can make a dent in quote all of that other stuff that you're spending money and time on. If you use something like fireflies at starting point so Nico do anything else you want to add on roles and skill sure yeah just would echoes everything that Tracy just said. Especially if you're a software engineer it like every, I'm going to repeat some stuff Tracy said and I'm going to, you know, say it a little bit differently but I look at it like every industry has domain specific stuff that you have to learn. Like, for instance, I was in communication before I moved into the blockchain world and sure I had to learn all the telecom terms and how SMS messaging works and how what calls get established and all that stuff. That's great. But what I spent most of my time doing was just solving big engineering problems like how do how do we scale this web service make it reliable make it. You know, make it multi tenant make it secure and how do we launch this new product like those are the types of problems that you're going to encounter in in the blockchain world as well. I'm sure there's the domain specific stuff of like well how does this particular how do I get a transaction on this particular chain or how does this one in advance or how do I write a smart contract for for this type of chain. You're going to learn those. And like Tracy said if you learned a programming language already it's not that hard to pick up another one and the specific tools and technologies and domain specific stuff are like, you can pick up but you know really like solving hard software engineering problems is much more valuable skill than any like knowledge of like how a particular blockchain does a certain specific thing so coming in the door with with blockchain experience already that's great. Being a fantastic engineer that loves to tackle really hard engineering problems, even better. So that's actually a great point because I know in my own world. Well, alright so I apologize. I'm probably the oldest person I ever know that still codes, which is actually an unfortunate unfortunate part of my background I guess, because I started coding before Steve Jobs and Bill Gates and look at me I'm still coding isn't that so they went on to much greater success than I have, but having said that what I look at is people I know who are not in the space of actually coding, but back to Nico's point they are brilliant engineers. So you can have an engine believe it or not you can have a great engineering mind for analyzing problems defining solutions constraints all kinds of things if you think that way. In a sense, you usually can add value a lot of those people don't start out as developers at all they start out in other roles, they might be a tester they might be somebody managing requirements documentation, all kinds of stuff. Maybe even a scrum master or even a project owner something like that, but at the end of the day, they slide into that stuff. And that's really because they have the mindset for it. They have a quote a natural affinity and a passion is Tracy said earlier for that kind of stuff too. So, there's lots of ways into that finding roles. One other thing that's a little unusual, and that actually I guess the separates me from the rest of the, what I call crypto world in the crypto world you hear about defy decentralized finance and there's no regulations it's all Bitcoin it's all dark money blah blah blah blah. So back when Bitcoin was first starting that was the attraction is like oh yeah the whole world someday someday going to evolve to Bitcoin. And while Bitcoin may last forever, honestly, because there's I think a value proposition for it that's not going to exactly be taken away by other cryptos to some degree. Certainly, you know blockchain is a technology is going to evolve and mature, but as it does sort of the value space and Bitcoin and things like it cryptos have will remain in some flavor fashion I can't predict it exactly so it's not going to go away. What I do see in the blockchain space since I started back in 2017, is that there's a massive shift that blockchain has blown up as value propositions and all kinds of use cases and industries and while that's happening. At the same time, guess what, in the real world, we have regulation compliance and governance everywhere. And what actually makes the things work is the fact that you can look at these use cases and say G, if we were regulating these use cases, they'd be more widely accepted so Christine actually a clip it to you because you had the great line on that that about leaning in on regulation. And I encourage all projects to prioritize writing policy, building out a compliance program in parallel and in same priority as you are building up the mechanisms for your offering for your project. It's so so so important that these projects are very focused on solving a big problem. Right. A lot of it has to do as you highlight it in the financial sector and bridging a lot of the gaps with financial services and access to those financial services and the transparency of those financial services and offerings. And so there's a requirement that there must be a preparation proactive measures taken to have strong governance, I will say and just sort of level set and say code is not governance. There will be many, many mechanisms and built into the protocol whether it's proof of state or proof of work and how governance is essentially carried out through voting mechanisms, but that is not governance. Again, goes back to how are you protecting the consumer, what policies are in place that set the rails around what should or should not happen, and then the active measurement action and proof of effectiveness that you can share with your community to to elevate trust across the operation across the project and so when we look at what are the challenges perhaps and opportunities that are created when you are thinking about governance. I'll first start with the challenges of just like we're here right at this career fair saying how do we get into to change. It's very similar when you have to find talent that focuses solely on the compliance piece. So I think that could be a challenge in navigating how do we bring in the right talent that's committed to the project, but it's solely focused on making sure this project serves the community and serves it well. The opportunity though is you getting compliance experts into this industry the regulation is coming it's it needs to come. But I think there's there's there's a requirement to create that piece of the project in parallel with building out the mechanism. So lots of opportunity I think that that will bring to this industry, and rightfully so, as we are working directly with consumers. It's important that we think about that. Great. Thanks. Tracy thoughts around governance compliance and regulations and the impact or challenges that creates our opportunities and blockchain. Yeah, I mean, I agree with what Christine is saying right I think that there's two sides of any sort of blockchain project and you know technology is probably the easiest part of the overall problem. Right, the governance and having a number of different organizations coming together and work together and set up those policies up front so that they know what they're dealing with right and just the interaction that needs to happen the sort of collaboration that needs to occur between those different organizations is is quite a challenge right and you know we have people at Accenture who have actually gone to Hill right and have conversations to educate the people who are making these regulations and and to help them understand the different technology problems that occur and the challenges that exist and so I think there is a big a big opportunity here right for us to do that education for us to work with the different clients as they come together on what it is it's governance I know Jim I think it was a couple years back the TCC and Accenture actually released a paper on governing your your DLT networks and I think I'll go I'll go find that paper I'll put it in the in the links here in the chat but I think there's a lot of good information in that but it's a big space that we do need to think about it as we think about these blockchain type projects and solutions. Yeah, so Nico your thoughts. Yeah, it's an interesting topic. So one of the things that occurred to me as I read this question that we haven't talked a lot about tonight it are private blockchains and private permission chains offer both a unique solution and and I guess opportunity and challenge all at the same time, but you know, most, most of us and I'm speaking for myself here before I really got into the world of blockchain per se just like didn't even know about private blockchains just I always thought about blockchains were only public and like everybody could could see it and anybody can can do transactions on them. And turns out actually for for enterprise a private permission chain is can be a really compelling thing. And for several reasons, one it lets the the enterprise or a consortium of companies define the rules around governance. And so they can they get to make the rules of who who's allowed to do transactions on this chain, what are the rules for consensus. And it also allows those those enterprises to to make decisions about governance of the chain in compliance with regulation in their industry as well. So, it is one of the other things that we're seeing now is a convergence of public and private, or sort of hybrid chains as well, or different, you know, layer two chains that may, may even bridge a gap between a private chain and public chain is all kind of there's a whole spectrum of like public and private chains as well so I would say that's pro in terms of challenges that's probably the the new big one around this is like okay when we're when we start looking at doing stuff cross chain. How does that change the game and there's there's there's all kinds of new opportunities and challenges there when we start looking about, you know, cross chain and moving from private chain to public chain that sort of stuff. Yeah. And so one other thing I'll throw in the mix, because I've worked on a lot of different blockchain solutions and I'll say the one that Tracy talked about earlier with a digital dollar project and Accenture around trying to figure out and understand central bank digital currencies, and how they can be used in different scenarios, if you will, different use cases within countries, they are the leader in that space. And having worked with them on that project. And also, you recognize that there's lots of different what I call legal jurisdictions that these solutions have to operate in so cross border isn't something that's unique. Like travel, like me traveling to Europe doesn't happen a lot, but cross border in a sense or cross jurisdiction happens all the time. And the one thing I'll say, you know, just if you wonder where your tax dollars go is that the world. I think thank all the governments in the world for wanting to make the world more complex because they certainly don't. And the net thing is that they keep adding more laws every year, and every jurisdiction so I'm on the European blockchain observatory inform, we do research for the European Council on how they put up new laws in the US. I'm connected to a lot of the states and stuff and the work they've been doing to implement new laws around blockchain and technology, and privacy, all kinds of various. What you recognize is the legal complexity of the world is exploding. I mean it's not quite as fast as COVID was but it's not far behind in terms of complexity. And then you say well how do I effectively manage that you cannot handle it any other way, but in a sense through automated digital trust and automation. And if you don't automate nothing in a sense would get done they talk about supply chain and how COVID showed how weak supply chain links were. Well if you think about, in a sense, certain technologies blockchain being a key one, and AI and other and some of the other ones as well. If you think about trying to deal with the complexity of in terms of the world in terms of legal frameworks and policies and regulations and so on. It would be impossible to even consider being successful going forward without, in a sense, a lot of these technologies. And so, you know, again, the good news with, I guess, other career paths might be lawyers, because outside of blockchain, we certainly have more regulations going on everywhere and more compliance to manage so there's an endless. Unfortunately, I guess an endless and growing demand for compliance and regulation, for sure. And so that does lead back to blockchain automation AI and a whole bunch of other technologies that can help address that so. Thank you everyone for that. Let me go to the last question and you know just kick it off and say. So, we're talking about this next career fair session on October 26 which is I think a Wednesday as well. Is it a Wednesday John or I think it is right. Just like this one, except we're going to have a lot of virtual tables from the recruiting company so it's going to be much more interactive in the latter half of the event. Great. So, Tracy, one piece of the best piece of advice you want to give to the attendees on a career. I would say bring your questions. Right. The last time that I participated in this and we had the virtual tables. It was really valuable to hear the questions that people had to talk through the specifics of what it is that they're interested in and, you know, in my case right. Right. And, you know, just be curious. I think is the best piece of advice that I can give you. Great. Christine any thoughts. Yeah, I would echo what Tracy said and then also that curiosity. You really want to understand the why behind the organization. What, what are they focused on. What do they care about and if you are aligned with that. That's a company you want to dive a little bit deeper with. If you are disaligned with that, you will, you will, if you're, if you're hired there or if you get a position there, it's going to be a job to you. And I think it's so important with the climate changing with hybrid workforce model that you're working in an area that you care deeply about and is, is part of a much bigger goal, bigger picture than yourself. Yeah, great point because you're right. Everything, all of these, in a sense organizations operate inside of communities and a sort of a context. And it's, they're adding value or delivering value hopefully for those communities in those contexts, whatever they are. And so, yeah, if you, you're right, if you align with those or value those problem areas and want to see them solve, then you're going to be passionate as Tracy said earlier. And that's a lot to bring to the table that you're going to add as a candidate, you know, for those kind of companies for sure. Nico, any thoughts? Yeah, both, both really great thoughts from both, you know, Tracy and Christine there I just echo that. And just to repeat something that was said earlier to, you know, don't don't sell yourself short. If you, you may not think that you are qualified, but you may actually be. And so, so as Tracy said, be curious, ask questions. And, you know, have that conversation we would love to chat with you about you know what what the day to day in a software engineering role at a startup working in as a blockchain infrastructure provider is actually like that sort of thing. I guess one other suggestion that I'll throw out there too. I think there has a great discord server that has a bunch of us in it. And if you think of, you know, maybe you can't make the next session, but you still want to stay in touch. Yes, I'm on LinkedIn. No, I don't check it frequently sorry, but I'm on discord every day so if you want to chat after this discord is the best place to do that. Thanks Madison. There's a link that was just dropped in chat there if you want to join. So, yeah, thanks. I just wanted to point Niko because I will say for everybody who's listening if you're interested. It never hurts to go through this kind of a process, not just the career fair but talking to these companies engaging them. As you can see, they're all interested in what I call outreach and looking out to find out who's out there and how can we find what I call matches and alignment. Even if I don't want, if I go through that process that Tracy was talking about bring my questions talk to people at Accenture. If nothing happens out of that. I'm still better for having gone through the process I've learned a lot let's put it that way every time I've gone to this kind of a process whether it's interviews or whatever I was doing. I did come back learning a lot didn't always have a job offer at the other end of the day, and I wasn't always looking for that, but I always did learn a lot from the process so I would encourage you all to think, you know, about that second session that's coming up because that's your real opportunity to go one on one, and start asking you know questions of these companies and get some real feedback and some thoughts, which would really be great. So, alright that said I wanted that's the end of questions we had tonight. I don't want to open up briefly just for any Q&A anything that anybody has that I didn't, or we didn't cover that you want to ask a question about from a career perspective. So, yeah if you want to unmute yourself and let me take a look at the audience if you want to unmute and ask a question that's fine too. If not, I do at the end I do have this presentation john and I are both going to put our presentations up on the YouTube site where the recording will be posted. I will say, I appreciate the chat will pull the references out of the chat for resources we got a lot of good ones in there I know john pull those. But I do have in this presentation a bunch of links out here the Linux Foundation site there's tons of projects out there hyper ledger site. The hyper ledger wiki site where all the work groups are the greenhouse video that sort of shows you what hyper ledgers about with all the projects where you can find hyper ledger on YouTube. The global forum sessions we just didn't Dublin hyper ledgers nice enough to push those all out there you can learn off from those. We have meet up groups all around the world. You know David Boswell knows I'm sure they count but I'm say it's in the neighborhood of 175 plus groups that are out there around the world so there probably is a meet up group in your area geographically that you can join if you're interested but we do a lot of virtual meet up stuff now after and so you're really welcome to join meet up groups anywhere you want the world. There's plenty of hyper ledger tutorials and as Tracy said there's not just tutorials for each of the different projects, but there's actually courses that hyper ledger has worked with partners to put out on the edX site that you can at least take the courses free. If you want to get certified you pay for the certification piece that what I call an affordable price, but at least the courses are free so I've actually taken some of those I've paid for the certification so I've taken three just because I want to learn the stuff. And then there's plenty of hyper ledger events all the time. So all of those are resources on this one slide. There's if you're looking at other things, I will say one on one blockchains has some good stuff that's free, a lot of good free content out there if you want to open up an account for free you know they have courses as well, but you don't have to pay for their certified courses there's plenty of good free content out there as well. If you're just looking for basic academic stuff Khan Academy is fine. If you're looking for actually coding skills and you don't have money to pay for free code camp. You know I've participated in them for a long time actually contributed over there. There's plenty of other code camps out there but this particular one doesn't charge intuition so it's free. IBM has some basic information out on their site on what is blockchain, and then just this last one I put this query when you click it. I have 12,000 people on call tonight the good news is when I put in the word blockchain and I said show me jobs. I thought 12,000 hits tonight on indeed indeed.com so I can say there's more jobs out there and blockchain and there are candidates here tonight for sure. The last thing I'll say is I got some other things out here. These are links one of them is IBM's former CEO Jenny Rometti who pointed out that in terms of a college degree isn't as high now for the six figure jobs in what they call new color technology space. So if you listen to what Nico was talking about, you know, they're not saying you need a four year degree from Cornell, you know to qualify what you need to do is be, you know competent engineer, we're having some skill sets in that area that would make them interested in wanting to engage with you further, but you know they weren't saying you need a four year degree for a lot of stuff and so the good news that's good news for almost everybody is because if you don't need a college degree to do well in the space. It's if you have it great. If you're going to invest in a great, but it's not required anymore for a lot of the roles which is nice. The other thing we talked about was the governance issue. There was just an article this week that crypto hacker stole 600 million from. I think it was Coinbase, I believe it was Coinbase I'm not sure one of the exchanges in crypto. So there's always a security problem, even if you're not going to work in blockchain via security engineer. To me, one of the guaranteed things on the planet that will always grow is the need for security is never going to get less every year, it will only increase. So there's always going to be roles in that space. We talked about Christine mentioned it leaning into regulation. Just this week the financial stability board, which is the financial arm for the G 20 nations that sort of control a couple of worlds finance pretty much. They have said that they want to, they're proposing directions on what they call governance rules for cryptocurrencies and digital assets, all kinds of financial assets. And so regulations going up, not down and the complexity of managing and administering those regulations is going up, not down. And then the last thing was US Treasury had blacklisted one of the exchange crypto exchanges, claiming that they were violating AML rules on money laundering. And so that was an extreme, you know, put enforcement action by the US Treasury. All it points out is that, in a sense, the ability to operate free of regulation is not something that you can expect to see much of in the future going forward. So those are just some output thoughts out there as well. And then there's a lot more resources, but I think that I call this thing is a good gateway. Certainly go to the Accenture site, go to Colorado site. Go to those sites, go to civil if you want. But this is a pretty good gateway to a lot of other links as well for what it's worth. So, with that, I want to thank everybody for tonight. Any last questions anyone has before we wrap up. If not, I want to thank our panelists tonight, Tracy, Christine, Nico, you guys were awesome. I really appreciate everything you gave us tonight. It was wonderful. John, any closing thoughts on your end. I would just say, Jim, we had a great session here and definitely everyone who attended this session should definitely attend the 26th session. That's when we're really going to have much more of an interactive session where you can take all the takeaways from this event and apply them toward really getting in front of these great companies and interacting with them on a one to one basis. So we'll have virtual tables on the 26th. It'll be at this exact same time as this session. So I look forward to seeing everyone on the 26th. That's all I have, Jim. All right. Well, thank you, John. And thank you again panelists and thanks for the audience tonight. I appreciate everybody being here and I'll look forward to seeing everybody on the 26th of October. Thanks. Thank you. Thank you all. So, John, do you have everything out of the chat? No. Jim, I was originally being able to copy it, and then it seemed like it stopped copying for me. So if you want to grab the whole chat and just send it to me via email, that'd be helpful. Yeah, I will. All right. Well, thank you again, everyone. I'll grab the chat and send it along.