 Marty McFarling again 1020 Hell Street. I'm one of those lucky people they have two lots that are adjacent to each other. I did a rough count from looking at the NPO overlay and based on the rough sizing on here there is approximately 30 to 32 lots that are 100 by 150 roughly 15,000 square feet. Thank you. Commissioner Bryan any additional questions or comments? No that was it. Great thank you sir. We've had the question answered so we're going to continue. One that's twice the size and it's more than 12,000 square feet. Great thank you. Commissioner Satterfield? No. Commissioner Hornbuckle? I just have a few comments. It this is always it's a can something here it's the it's a difficult decision for us to make but more I just hate to see how it divides the neighborhood and I can see that this has happened here but then again I look I had a lot of memories of Western my grandmother lived on Inglewood my uncle was an old Durham policeman that lived on Alexander Avenue used to coach ball down there at Monkey Bottom play many games down there but I'm in total agreement that with the gentleman you know that I think some of this needs to be addressed as city council and county commissioners the tax rates are ridiculous and I'd be a bit upset too if I had property there in Western and I wanted to sell it or you know take some of these houses down and replace it with something a little larger and just more restrictions on it I think there's enough in place as it is now that there doesn't need to be any more existing ordinances put in place with more restrictions so I'm totally gonna be in opposition to this thank you. Thank you Commissioner. Commissioner Gibbs? And thank you Commissioner Hornbuckle. I won't belabor the issue but that's where I come down. I would like to leave you folks with this thought you are neighbors. I'm not one that's going to be swayed by what percentage is for what percentage is against unless you can have a voting booth set up that doesn't matter to me because there is no way other than a process like that that this a bottom line can be reached but even at that I think the existing zoning works well I took it upon myself twice to ride around the neighborhood and I I don't know who the owners were I didn't want to know who the owners were I just wanted to get a feel for the neighborhood I didn't come across anything that was overbearing there is a big difference in the West the West end of gosh I can't even think the name of the street now but it's where the small lots are when you come back up toward Ninth Street the lots get and the houses get a little bigger but nothing was overbearing there were it mixed in well with some of the existing big houses so I I'm gonna support the existing zoning and you should there are other ways to preserve the history of this area and I encourage you to do those those things to do it you don't need a directive from from the city the county or whatever just amongst yourselves and and other supporters maybe you could buddy with the Watson and Dell people anyway that's all thanks thank you Commissioner Commissioner Williams yeah I have several comments about this particular issue as it relates to the concern of affordable housing and as we talk about affordable housing we talk about density currently it costs us $150 per square foot to build a 2000 square foot home that's 285 thousand two hundred and seventy nine dollars for one home the average existing home there is about 1300 square feet one store brick built which means you have to compromise on a few things excuse me I'm very passionate about this because eventually I will be losing my home for a future laying use map so I have concerns that this issue has been made about affordable housing and it's not this is a control issue this is about who wants to control what when and how I respect the right of those that pay taxes that want to do what they want to with their land but I also respect the right of neighbors they don't want to have accessory dwelling units where they can't enjoy their backyards because people live above them now and can look down they pay property taxes too so I think a compromise has to be had and unfortunately this very strong issue is before the city government because you guys could not compromise and I feel like right now I'm against overbearing properties not in its entirety of the MPO as is written I do believe it needs to be revisited greatly I think that as we talk about trees and tree preservation it was addressed in terms of not necessarily just planting a planting a tree but trees were concerned with overpaving of backyards to make room for 1500 square foot properties as it relates to a parking garage and overhead unit at 1500 square feet that's 150 thousand dollars for that particular unit 3500 dollars per year which would make the rent 291 dollars and 66 cents a month how many people in here actually think that you're going to charge that for that particular property I would think it would be upwards of four times that so let's not talk about affordable housing and density let's just make this about how we can coexist in Durham which is my city born and raised let's figure out how to get this done in the best interest of everyone here that is my comment thank you any additional comments commissioner satterfield thank you mr. chair I just wanted to point out that the MPO is an important tool I think it exists for a reason and despite some of the concerns reservations I respect everybody who's spoken here tonight to express those I think what we're looking at here is a neighborhood that feels like it's under siege and increasingly under siege and I think it's important for the stability of Old West Durham and for the strength of the community even though there's conflict today I'm hoping that that's not always going to be the case that they need some tool like this that they can put in place to make sure that Old West Durham remains the unique community that it is now and for generations to come so I'm gonna be in favor of this thank you any additional comments from any of the commissioners Commissioner Brian I would like to go ahead and make a motion and we move a case yes that we move case number TC 1 8 0 0 0 0 1 Old West Durham and PO or with a favorable recommendation second the motion but as it's presently written I think it needs more work so if we're going to move it as it's presently written I'll be voting against it I would prefer if we can find a way to either defer it or even send it back to let them work on it some more I don't know if that's possible and staff would like to comment on that that's fine right because I'm willing to withdraw the motion provided you know there's an opportunity to do some additional work because it definitely needs some additional work but let's hear from staff because Commissioner Brian I'm not even sure you actually seconded that motion I did second it and I will draw my second okay thank you mr. Brian because this is a text amendment and his owning change the UDO requires that you either vote on it or continue the item within 90 days we would strongly recommend that you vote on it tonight it has been communicated to us by the Old West Durham Neighborhood Association Board and they are welcome to correct me if I'm wrong that they feel that they are kind of at the best compromise they can reach at this point and there's not much more that they can do is that a fair assessment from someone from the board but at this point then Commissioner Brian sorry it's been a long it's been a long evening yes we now want to get a response from the Association or I believe at this point we've we've been here and it is it is time for us to make our recommendation Commissioner Highman Commissioner Busby I'd like to make a motion that we move case number z1800002 the text amendment first yes we have to do both we have to do the text amendment first okay text amendment first yes case number TC1800001 Old West Durham NPO forward with a favorable recommendation second properly moved and second in we will have a roll call vote Commissioner Alturk yes Mr. Brian no Mr. Satterfield yes Commissioner Harris no Commissioner Highman no Chair Busby yes Commissioner Hornbuckle no Commissioner Gibbs no and Commissioner Williams yes motion fails five to four and we will still have a motion on the zoning map change Chair Busby I'd like to make a motion that we move item z1800002 Old West Durham NPO forward with a favorable recommendation second properly moved and seconded we will have a roll call vote as well I just wanted to correct for the record motion passes four to five so it was and and for clarity and the staff make sure I have this right and then we will vote on the zoning motion this motion will be sent forward to the City Council with a four to five vote against so we are the the the recommendation is to deny and when this comes to the City Council it still moves forward regardless we're an advisory body only and we'll have the opportunity to make comments for the City Council just like all of you and I encourage all of you to stay very active and engaged on this issue as I know you will is that accurate staff great thank you so we have a second motion on the zoning case it was properly moved and seconded and we'll have a roll call vote please Mr. Alter yes Mr. Brian no Mr. Satterfield yes Mr. Harris no commissioner Hyman no mr. Busby yes commissioner Hornbuckle no commissioner Gibbs no and commissioner Williams motion fails four to five thank you all very much we appreciate your time and for staying this late a commissioners we are almost finished we don't have any unfinished business and I don't believe there's any new business but I do want to give the staff an opportunity to speak a commissioner Brian we might want to wait just a second or two to let people leave so we can be heard yes that's fair and if folks can head outside and we actually have to still finish business this evening so if you can head out and you can speak out in the lobby that would be appreciated they said it passed for fun I used your mind because of these are going this way and I understood why is this one red yes now it's green I don't know what affects it doesn't affect it and I'll recognize commissioner Brian again if folks can head out into the lobby please we'd appreciate it I would like to make a comment about the MPO and the Planning Commission when Tuscaloosa Lake Park was due to come through the Planning Commission did receive a briefing some months before it came to us that helped us get familiar not only with what an MPO was but with what was going on with Tuscaloosa Lake Park what some of the issues were and I thought that was very helpful I know I've visited out there several times and spent time talking to people whether I had any impact on what they came out with I doubt but still I think that had we been briefed on Old West Durham sometime in advance we may have been able to interact more with the neighbors and maybe giving them some advice and we may have seen something different end of comment thank you commissioner Brian if again if folks could head into the lobby please we're still conducting public business and we can't hear each other thank you while they're making noise could I make a comment you may Commissioner get to what he was just talking about can you get yeah get up to the microphone can you hear me now is there I wish I'm just gonna make a statement I wish we had a copy of your statement yeah him had that was more beneficial to get a good overview of the pluses minuses and all of the codes and all of that in this particular item then all the stacks of paper and emails that we got we tried as staff to put together a thoughtful although long staff memorandum that you know tried to address the pros and cons and give you a clean tick tock so you're able to make sense of some of the correspondence that you received I'd like to have had time to think about it ahead of time but at any rate I don't think the outcome would have been any different but it sure would have saved a lot of guess work and but anyway thank you so much for that and to all the staff my pleasure absolutely any other business for this evening or any other staff reports great I'm gonna thank you all for your time this meeting is adjourned