 there we go. Good morning everybody. Good morning I'm Jane Sector. I'm Chris Morrison so we are here for the 34th of our copyright and online teaching in a time of crisis webinars. Yes and we're delighted to be here sort of a year on from pretty much when we started this journey, this adventure trying to support the copyright community and we've got some really exciting things to get going and some guests with us today haven't we? Absolutely so I think today we're going to see the sort of culmination of a lot of work that's done through getting together and these webinars bringing people together and actually having something sustainable to come out of it so it may be that what we're talking about is moving away from the time of crisis. So let's see what we've got today. So we've got quite a few things in the copyright news to talk about and then the main topic as we said is that consolidation of what's been happening in these webinars for our new copyright and online learning special interest group of the Association for Learning Technology. So there we go looking forward to getting started and see there's a few things already going on in the chat as we go. So yeah I've come over to Emily to talk to us about the the UK applying to join the Pacific Free Trade Area so that sounds that sounds like some news that we've missed so but we yeah. Let's get started. Let's get going. So what's been happening this week? Well it is it's going to be eastern next week and around where I live there is a lot of this yarn bombing going on we were talking weren't we Chris about craftivism and maybe launching a copyright craftivism campaign at some point but this is the sort of thing that is decking the streets of Favisham at the moment so this is rather cute little chicks that have appeared on some railings the post boxes have got some amazing toppers on as well. I'll share some more pictures over the weekend on Twitter probably but just little signs of spring cheering us all up a little bit of hope on the horizon hopefully so yeah. Hopefully the you know as we as we see those of us in different parts of the UK are having a relaxation of our of the lockdown restrictions so um slightly jealous of what is able to get a haircut if you're in Wales I'm still quite still a month away for for those of us in England but there we go. Still got the big hair. Still got the big hair Chris. Still rocking with big hair but yeah let us know if you want if there's anything that you're planning to do at least do anything that you're wanting to share with others we're hoping to have an Easter egg hunt with all the kids in my mum's garden but depends on whether it's raining really because there's probably no one turning up. I can't go inside. Right yeah you had your hair done. Right shall we get cracking with a reminder of course that all of our webinars are on an archive and you can look back at all of these and we do have plans thinking about where we might make these available. Yes we did actually yes yeah from an interesting chat we had earlier with uh well we'll come to that. Well we'll we'll come to that in a moment. So we have a few things in here um I wanted to draw attention to the book review that that I wrote on Emily Hudson's book Drafting Copyright Exceptions um so that's if you can pop the link into that um Jane that that was published in the Journal for Copyright and Education and Journal for Copyright in Education and Librarianship and there the summary of that is it's a it's a good book and you should read it it's an important book for those of us in our situation and Emily has also had a paper published in this special issue of teaching media which is part of the journal for JCMS Stazards Media Studies and I've made reference to this article in recent this CopySeek discussion about this um but also this week we were um uh I think many other people were also at the the uh create public lecture that Emily gave talking about this uh about the book and about some of the her thoughts on on where we are with understanding copyright exceptions and what we might do in future um certainly in the UK in a post-Brexit environment so yeah it was a great it was a great session and there wasn't really enough time for questions and we have been discussing with Emily and we're gonna get some dates out I think in May for um some sessions run by um our group aren't we to to talk about to talk about some of the topics raised in the book and um yeah definitely looking forward to that Emily yeah and Emily I don't know if there's anything you would want to to add to that give her a moment to reply if not and we can always move on excellent brilliant very much excellent excellent good good good good um the Scihub news story so this is the uh statement from the city of London police force the Pipku the intellectual property crime unit in which they are talking about the risks and the security risks that come from uh using Scihub um interesting to see the that the organization that is behind the press release that the police have picked up on is this PSI registry organization that certainly seems to be very much representing publisher interests in this um so we just thought we'd we'd raise that because it is getting discussed I know it's being looked at um by those in in institutions who take security um IT security issues very seriously and there is um at the moment there are concerns about um cyber security threats we know that there are some institutions that have fallen um victim to this a particularly aggressive uh ransomware uh malware um action but also I think there's certainly I think a need to think um quite carefully about what messages are being put out there um and exactly what is you know what are the issues and are they copyright risks or are they security risks or are they actually um something else um that needs to be thought you know thought through if you're if you're having um those sort of conversations within a university so that's a whole topic for discussion we just thought we would raise it here um to say we'll be aware of that and that's certainly something that's been taking up some of my time um okay thanks James that's good that we've got a one-day conference to cover in detail the the cyber security uh from from the SDM publisher's perspective um we'll keep a track of that yeah absolutely yeah okay so um next over to me this is um an event that's actually happening next week um which is um about an educational video cartoons areas that's been developed by um Dina Matsugu who's a teaching fellow at Robert Gordon University um now Dina um is um at the moment there are two videos available they're sort of very much in the information literacy sort of space so um they're um uh about online resilience and misinformation they're aimed at um children um so nine to twelve year olds um but um what we know is in the pipeline is um going to be one about copyright um and Dina is hopefully going to be joining us um in one of our later um webinars probably in in May to talk about that but I think there's a bit of a sneak preview if you go along to the event and I understand a certain retired copyright um and IP sort of professor might be starring in this cartoon is it have you heard that Chris I have I have seen some a Twitter chat so that'll be very interesting to see that comes out apparently it's an oscar worthy performance apparently yes yeah but anyway that event's happening next week um and I know you know people might well be interested um in the sort of resources she's developing for schools um and it'd be really exciting to see what what she's going to come up with uh or what she has come up with um in terms of teaching children about copyright um next up is um just I wanted to highlight um I'm quite into podcasts I have to say at the moment I'm finding them like I'm just I'm just like a bit well binging on podcasts and um this podcast is quite a new one that was launched by creative commons it's part of their sort of celebration of 20 years of the creative commons movement um and uh I think there were two or three episodes up at the moment um and they're quite short about 20 minutes so if you're interested um I would recommend um the open minds um creative commons podcast so I've just listened to one actually with somebody from the smithsonian that's kind of talking about open licensing and open glam and there is also an excellent one um with kathryn styler who is the CEO of creative commons so just something that uh you uh you you might want to tune into okay so the next yeah the next thing here is the license uh the newspaper licensing agency license that um CNAC has been negotiating for some time now um with cla also involved cla acting as the agent for the newspaper licensing agency um we had been hoping in fact we'd hoped last year to to arrange a new license that that that better fit the needs of the sector um and then obviously last year there was significant disruption to what we were we were doing and and it wasn't possible so we'd hoped to get that in place for the next academic year as in from august 2021 but unfortunately we haven't been able to uh get agreement in time to be able to to have that in place for the next academic year so what we've agreed with nla is that we will roll over the existing license the nla uh its education establishment license so i think i haven't got the url there but i think many people are um aware of that so it will roll over on the same terms for this year but we we hope that we will be able to agree a new license we'd we've got a quite a long way we really had i think um but clearly from from CNAC's perspective in in making a change from one license model for the other we we took all of the um things on board that we'd heard from representatives of the sector and we we want to limit the amount that you know we don't want to see huge increases in payment for some institutions versus others so i think that's that's where the the detail is in in working through the models and how they impact on on each institution so we'll work we'll continue on that but we won't have a new license in place for this year and there will be a briefing coming because there was recently there'll be something coming out weren't there from you okay yeah yeah yeah that will actually formally uh notify that um i don't know whether uh james wants to add anything to that from cla's perspective at this moment uh i'll give him a moment nothing to add if you don't know so yep that's where we are with that so that's uh well there's one other news item which is being on the main event so this is the most recent waffle that we have done for those who don't know jane and i do a regular well it kind of wasn't particularly regular podcast was it but we're now getting back into the swing of it we are yes this is another good one i'd say it was it was a really good opportunity to talk to uh to maran who's the ceo of alts who's obviously been hugely supportive and we wanted to time the release of this waffle so that it came out today because today is obviously an important day for the copyright and online learning special interest group but yeah it's it's we had a lot of fun we sort of degenerate at the end there's a lot of talk about cake isn't there there is a very silly talk about cake at the end and i i enjoyed talking um with maran about a whole range of things but particularly the cake yeah but no there's really good stuff in there and we'll touch on some of it in our presentation so let's let's crack on i would say to the event yeah so here we go yes i think we're going to have to to work on that we need a weird subgroup perhaps but here we are this is the main event it's the launch of the association for learning technologies copyright and online learning special interest group so here's the link um so yes a round of applause i felt like we should have perhaps had a drum roll or a fanfare and imagine there's a fanfare um and it's all it's all happening so i'm i'd like to have a jingle now chris you can perhaps hum one just sort of off the top of your head how's that good that's that's that's fabulous and that was really seamless with the transition between the slides as well i liked that a lot thank you very much yeah yeah so yeah i mean you know the webinars have kind of i guess demonstrated how much interest there is in the sector in um copyright and its relationship to online learning and so that really i think was the motivation um for us to sort of think like could we do something else but in fact it was Martin and Martin Hawksy that reached out to us specifically and said had we thought about creating a special interest group um on this topic i think seeing how much um you know of a sense of community was developing around the webinars and we were very conscious we wanted to make it sustainable didn't we chris we did absolutely so um the first slide that we've got here is a summary of what we've done so far so we've got the committee uh we're we're talking about newsletter logo comms approach and events planning so we're going to go into that in a bit more detail but we also have a number of working groups in key areas um and we're going to talk through each of these but we're also wanting to get ideas from you well well we're going to be encouraging you to join as far as we're concerned if you're a regular um attendee of the webinar we would expect you to get quite a lot from actually being a member of the special interest group um because really so chris how would somebody join if they want to join what would they do what do you think what would they do well if they were to go to that web um page the uh alt the ac.uk group special interest groups you will see a form that is on that page um and you can actually sign up and give us your email address and then we will yep so we ask for um some information um about who it is so that we know who's who's who's signed up to be a member of the group and really that means we'll keep you in touch with when the latest um webinars are happening and and how much does this cost how much does it cost well it's entirely free and it's a free open organization um for anybody interested in this area which is very much in line with um alts principles so we if we look to the remit here let's describe what it is that this group is about it operates as a community of practice something that we've talked about a lot helps support local communities of practice in the field of copyright online learning and learning technology um we're looking to develop and recognize the copyright expertise within the educational community and advocate for copyright literacy within the community and more broadly so some pretty high level things that we're trying to do um this is what we needed to put in place there are you going to answer that goal is no i'm not i'm very sorry that's the second time this number has called me and they've already left me a voicemail message so you're very very popular lastly none of that so silent now when we when we applied for um to be to become a special interest group they said how the part of alts process is how do we support um their strategic games and i think these are actually really important here participative open collaborative innovative inclusive and transparent because uh we're very keen that this group isn't isn't closed isn't about um sort of sealing off a a boundary around what we're doing because these these are issues that need to be discussed openly um and you know we'll only we'll only get through them if we have diverse views on how we we address the challenges the copyright and online learning that present to us um so yes alan could do with some fe representation most definitely um so but that's a big part of it uh so shall we uh just quickly say who is in the the committee so jane and i are the co-chairs um and we have co-secretaries in jenny and caroline both of whom are with us today we've have an events team um greg is is our marketing and communications officer but there are others also working with greg on this emily's put herself forward as a as a legal um expert but we also have international representatives um who uh so kyle a long-term friend of the webinar and and and icepops and melanie in in aughtland iran's put herself forward for that as well i think we're hoping that she's going to open up the spanish-speaking world because we do want to make certainly international um links and there's a whole load of other people as well um who are who are well let us look at the lovely faces of some of the committee that agree to send us their their photos yes we've got a good bunch of people yeah and i think we should probably um move on to the next bit where we actually get some of them to speak rather than just us rather than us yes absolutely yeah yeah yeah so i would like to invite greg um to talk us through the communications team what you're doing and what you can tell us about the group absolutely thanks again both chris and jane just to do a little preface i'll be talking to this way we have on screen but we'll be going to screen share just to examine the page that chris showed there on a bit more detail and to look at our fantastic new twitter account as well so maybe jumping back and forth but just to let everyone know and i'll also be posting some links to the online resources we've developed so far into the chat after my little talk has concluded Greg sorry to interrupt i should have actually introduced you properly to say greg walters learning technologist at the university of flasko i think many of the people on the call will know you very very well indeed it's just for for you know posterity to say thanks greg that's where that's where you're from and thank you very much for all the work you've done on this you're very welcome it's been great to be part of chris and what i'd like to do as well is just to go over the group's activities so far so we had our first meeting at the tail end of january of this year and since then we've been developing the groups online and social media presence and the group comprises of three officers that's myself greg walters we also have a samantha anharan who's from the university college wandon and debba tharns from university of strathclyde and aside from designing the group's logo and twitter account which we'll examine shortly and we hope you like these we also manage the groups online and social media presence and currently these comprise of a web page which i would like to just jump to now if you bear with me please and there we go i'm going to do what i call the catchphrase of 2020 can everyone see my screen share okay yeah yeah thank you excellent yeah that's the stuff excellent thank you so we have um our page which is available through the association foreign technology and as you can see it provides a brief synopsis about the background remit of the group and the officers as well but i'd like to just explore in a little bit more detail this is something that chris touched on earlier it's how to sign up because it's a simple case of clicking on this link that i've highlighted on the screen and you could take into this lovely microsoft forum which is aligned with gdpr and it will collect um all the necessary fields but it's just a simple text entry field nothing too scary and when you've entered all the relevant information just a case of clicking on submit i'll just go back to the main page because there's something else i would just like to cover before moving on to social media and that is our community space this will be available shortly and the community space will allow for group related articles to be posted in a blog style format so that's what we're going to go forward with the user generated content but what i'd like to now focus on briefly is just our twitter account and bear with me because i'm just going to do another little screen share so i'm just going to stop this one do another tab and we should now be seeing twitter with the coolest um handle out there the old kill stick i'm hoping everyone can see that along with yeah there we go so and i said we have the coolest um handle out there and this space will be used again for really up to date news and um any additional information about any blog posts etc as well so they were promotional too as well and just to briefly go over as well the um both the web page and the twitter space these will be in terms of content they'll be aligned with chris and jane's existing website the copyright which is the doc or the dot org and this is to ensure the content is both relevant and there's no duplication of content as well and just another little highlight as well at the top there's a pin comment and again if you're looking for another way to sign up to the group you can click in this link i'll take you back to the web page you just came from again you can sign up to the group that way as well so that's just another method of trying to find our online presence and on a content related note um i recently wrote a blog entry for the information literacy group which should be available later on today or or early on next week and the article provides a background about the information about the group and the remit and like our alt page and twitter account provides a link to sign up and become a member to our group so i'm going to send very biased here but you should check out all of these and um going forward i'll put the link to the blog post within our love when you um twitter account as well and now i'm just going to go back and stop sharing the screen and just talk to the slides one more time if that's okay and i'll just stop sharing can we see the slides okay everyone on screen or is it um not yet not yet don't mean to go see if i can help you please crash yeah i've stopped screen sharing it's there we go that's deeper thank you very much yeah and it's just to talk to the other two um points in screen regarding newsletter and our strategy going forward so we are currently exploring the use of mailchimp to deliver a quarterly newsletter to members and this will be made available to members after the group's committee meetings and in relation to the blog we're also exploring the use of having a google drive and this is so members can submit blog articles as we're really keen to have user generated content for use in our community space going forward and again looking to the future we're going to develop a common strategy and creating more of a social media presence by using platforms like youtube because we feel in the case of youtube the videos will allow the only promotional materials to be generated but also events and activities to be covered as well and these videos can of course be embedded in other platforms so that's where we're going in the future so let's conclude there that's his own nutshell of who we are and where we're going in the future and thanks again for your time everyone thanks Greg that's really great yeah I'd also like to say uh this new logo that we've got the the green one with the cool shades and um so Greg has put that together um uh despite some rather fussy um graphic design input from certain people me mainly um but I think we've got a quite a strong uh can we just have the glasses a little bit bigger do you think the glasses should be a little bit bigger maybe a little bit smaller maybe four or five pixels to the left four no no he was very patient with you very patient Greg thank you but just just to say that what we're doing here is is aligning this clearly with ALT as the the special interest group of ALT and trying to make that link between copyright and online learning whilst also having that link with with copyright literacy and the work that Jane and I have done and to really not try to reinvent the wheel not try to create a brand new you know space where we don't need one we've agreed that we don't really need a separate um disk mail discussion list because we're also used to um using copy seek and that's a place where we go and many of these community discussions happen um not to say that's the only place that we'll we'll have um you know uh discussions or activity but that just you know we're trying to build on what we've already got rather than confuse everybody and so I think it's we've got that strong um strong visual brand so and we we've also got we've got Greg in charge I think of t-shirts haven't we t-shirt production that'll be that'll be coming that'll be coming soon so we all sorts of merch coming up in in due course right let's hand over now to uh Stephen Penton from City University and Caroline Lloyd from Nottingham to talk to us about the accessibility working group and what we plan to do here thank you Chris I hope you can hear me yes we can yes yes thanks Stephen brilliant um so uh this that there's about half a dozen members in this group of which at least two I think are here this morning myself and Caroline Lloyd from the University of Nottingham um the idea for this group arose um when I was discussing accessibility measures for CLA license scans with Chris and Jane and as we discussed it we realized that there were other accessibility issues that have um a copyright aspect to them um and so that was the idea of this group and of course um CLA license scans have been particularly important during the pandemic um so we've had one meeting so far in which we agreed on this remit to provide guidance by producing documentation holding events and other activities um and advocacy on behalf of the sector on copyright related accessibility issues um and we found four main areas of focus that were of interest to us as a group um which is quite a lot so it's possible we may prioritise them um but one was um generation of transcripts for third party material so this is material developed obviously outside of one's institution so it might be material that you get um from the internet YouTube perhaps and the question of making it accessible for um for students who need it and any copyright implications there may be um for that so we aim to produce some guidance probably to clarify that and um make recommendations as to what we can actually do um without um infringing the copyright legislation um and then there were a couple of e-book accessibility issues that were identified um one was um inconsistency of accessibility measures across different platforms for the same books um so we hope to address that in some way and perhaps through advocacy perhaps through um trying to um raise awareness as part of the wider e-book conversations that are going on at the moment um relating to excessive price um and the other issue was um something that is actually a problem for everybody but particularly for accessible people where um DRM limits may stop you know more more than a certain amount or maybe even any um downloading or printing out of material from e-books so um we're hoping what we're intending to look at that as well I'm going to hand over to Caroline to talk about the other two um areas of focus that we've decided upon thanks you can all hear me yes so um the third issue that we wanted to focus on initially was um the use of Blackboard Ally which is a service that students can use themselves to create accessible copies in various formats um and we um want to look at the copyright implications of these services and what level of institutional risk that this might bring to um to universities that choose to offer these services um University of Nottingham does not have this service so I don't know a huge amount about it but the group as a whole is going to is going to investigate the various aspects of this and then um the fourth area um is the accessibility of CLA scans so um we want to continue to provide education and resources for people who are wanting to improve the accessibility of the scans that they're providing to their students under the CLA license so we're going to look at producing guidelines on accept what best practice and definition of terms and practical guidance as well um the other thing that actually came up yesterday was um if some of you may have been at the webinar that the CLA did um where David Duffield was talking about their plans to improve their student reader and they are looking for institutions to test that and give them feedback so hopefully um some members of the group will be and University of Nottingham is looking to be one of the people who too does this um hopefully will be able to test it and look at it from an accessibility point of view when they first brought out the student reader originally we did look at it at Nottingham and decided not to use it um because it's um it wasn't horrible from an accessibility point of view but it wasn't great either so hopefully the next one can be better and hopefully we'll be able to help with that um so those are our initial main areas of focus um but if there's any other issues that you think the group would be um should be looking at then please do let us know um and if you are interested in joining us then the more the merrier that's brilliant Caroline yeah thank you thank you and I think it sounds like CLA um might want to um join up and talk to you about that as well just on the the the so you mentioned Blackboard Ally and I know I think there are other tools aren't there that are available that do similar things so I think it's the other major one but again we don't use it so I don't know much about it personally but I think it's it's kind of the broad principle about what's the risk of any of the kind of tools that let students do the format shift in themselves isn't it as well that you're interested in yeah absolutely yeah so um I guess if yeah people are interested in getting involved then obviously sign up to join the group but um and we can put you in touch with Stephen and Caroline or you can reach out to them um and uh you know that it's a really important area um and I think we're looking forward to seeing some really good work coming out of this and guidance and and particularly you know the sort of advocacy as well side of things so thanks Caroline and Stephen for that update that's brilliant thank you Chris what have we got next what's the next one well the next one is about copyrighting this relationship with ethics so this is really hooking into work that's underway within ALT and this is a I will find you the link or Jane perhaps you can post the link in the chat to the ALT ethical framework piece of work that's being undertaken by a group of ALT trustees and we were involved in a really interesting discussion to see where they'd got to the currently working on a group a set of principles about the use of learning technology uh that address the ethical issues for learning technologists or educators or anyone who is putting um uh learning technology tools in place or relying on the um you know it's becoming an increasingly um you know I will say ubiquitous but of of what's happening in education so it was uh there are some links between that and uh copyrights so we've set up a group here um and one of the things we've noted is that legal use one of the principles that came up with in the first draft of this ethical framework was saying that you know learning technology should always be used in a lawful way but it protects users and and safeguards um their interests it's not the exact wording but the interesting thing here is that legal use is not necessarily the same as ethical use so there are you know there are ways you can use something that are legal um and for example indigenous culture is an example something that we might regard as being in the public domain because the law says it you can be used and reused without um legal repercussions but they still have ethical dimensions that we need to consider about views of ownership and custodianship of culture that's one example and members of the group um Emily Hudson and Melanie Johnson both of whom have done work in this area um you know we're ready to respond to that and collaborate with alt when they when they um go through this process of finalizing the framework but anyone that is interested in these ethical dimensions um of copyright and its use in learning technology another example of that is you know consent to have agreeing to to have um educational you know lectures and seminars recorded and what happens with those recordings we know that that's definitely um a hot topic still yeah absolutely yeah so that's another important area and um you're going to be leading that one aren't you Chris that's great yeah um I've been um looking with a a group of um the committee at a copyright education and resources um we we've got got a sort of a working group that's going to do um more work in this area but just in the first instance what we um what we did was bring together a list of copyright education resources from the UK um IFLA had put out a call um asking um people to contribute any sort of existing copyright education resources that they knew about they're going to be doing some work in this area potentially developing more education resources and I think one of the first things they wanted to do was say well what what is there around the world um so we um did a kind of crowdsourced attempt at doing this to start with um but it actually seemed more helpful to bring a working group together to put put that together so that's gone off to IFLA we've had acknowledgement from them that they've received it and the group needs to meet again now to just talk about things like well what would we do with this list you know is it useful for example um to put that list up on a website I'm a bit conscious of lists of links that need obviously ongoing maintenance and the best way of thinking about um doing that but it would be helpful if there's any feedback I mean you know we already know that there's lists out there of copyright resources Chris and I maintain a list of all the universities um copyright pages so if you haven't ever seen that um and you might want to have a look at that we try to keep that up to date but we do rely on people to get in touch with us to tell us if that list is up to date I'm just conscious of creating a kind of overhead if we were to say well let's try to keep up to date a list of copyright education resources I think we'd need we need to have a bit of a think about that but we are interested also in um broader issues in that working group so I think we'd like to explore um so Seamolts which is if you want to become a certified member of the Association for Learning Technology what sort of options might there be um to do that as somebody who's a kind of copyright specialist um and how you know so we'll hopefully be talking more tomorrow and talking to Alte about that um and um we would still also like to sort of down the line talk about this idea of developing some sort of standalone um qualification in in sort of copyright um that's not obviously as as involved as doing um a postgraduate diploma um but a bit more than just a one day course so um again it's a group where we're very open and if you're if you're interested and you'd like to get involved in that then drop me a line I'd say um in the first instance and we're going to be having a meeting another meeting again fairly soon um probably in the next next couple of months and certainly in the next month or so I would have thought we'll be we'll be getting together yeah definitely so another thing that's on the list that the group is interested in is the Codes of Fair Practice work um and we're going to hand over to Bart Bartolomeo Miletti who's at Learning on Screen and at Create at Glasgow and wears another number of hats for those that know Bart so Bart are you are you there yes I am can you hear me I can hear you that'll be clear so over to you yeah thanks Chris and Zane uh right hello everyone so this working group uh is working on developing the Codes of Fair Practice for the education sector so basically the goal of the initiative is to identify and codify shared principles and best practices that educators can rely on uh to make informed decisions around the reuse of audiovisual works and also other protected materials for educational purposes so the final outcome of the initiative will basically be a code or a series of codes you know outlining such principles and best practices and one of the specific problems we're trying to address through the initiative is the uncertainty surrounding for being exceptions especially those introduced in 2014 like illustration for instruction so this initiative started as a pilot project uh a collaboration between Learning on Screen at the University of Kent City University of London and Create at the University of Glasgow and as part of that pilot we conducted two online workshops in June and July 2020 which attracted 48 film academics from over 30 different HC institutions in the UK uh well then we basically systematized the findings of those workshops and used those to create a questionnaire for participants to try and reach consensus on a set of principles and norms that you know were discussed at the workshops and may characterize Fair Practice so that was all part of the pilot and in the meantime we also applied for AHSC funding to finalize and extend this work and hopefully we'll be hearing from the AHSC soon and if we get the funding you know that will allow us to you know do more workshops and set up also importantly a legal panel to review the code if we don't get the funding you know we would find other ways to build upon this initial work uh also I thought you know it would be interesting to share like the main stages of the initiative so the project is basically structuring four main stages so first you know we need to establish the legal scope that is you know the legal framework provided by UK copyright law for the use of audio visual materials for educational purposes and in that respect you know very helpfully there is timely and authoritative research and scholarship that we can refer to for this such as the recent papers by Emily Hudson that most of you are aware of uh also yeah by the way the as Chris and Jay mentioned Emily gave an excellent public lecture based on her book on Wednesday at Create and so if you miss that the recording of the lecture should be made available on the create.ac.uk website hopefully soon right then after establishing the legal framework then we need to establish acceptable norms so you know that's what we started doing through the workshops and the questionnaire that we conducted with you know the part of the pilot and hopefully you know we will extend this that work also to other disciplines if we get the funding and an important part of this stage of the project is also to get those norms reviewed by legal experts and again you know how we do this will depend on if and when we get the funding and then you know once the codes are reviewed by the legal panel the next steps which are also equally important are to get the code endorsed and adopted by you know the education sector and possibly also you know employers within the creative industries and these two stages I think basically endorsement and adoption is where I think that these special interest group and more generally this community you know can play a very important role. To conclude I also wanted to mention that this fair practice initiative is also linked to other current projects that I'm involved in so one is an Horizon 2020 project called Recreating Europe for which Create is the developing codes of fair practice also for documentary filmmakers and what we are currently calling the immersive cultural heritage sector and connected to that the UK Featured Docs project led by the University of West England in Bristol also set up a screen health group of the same part which will support the development of the code of you know for documentary filmmakers and then Dr. Shailo Sallivan from Kingsville University also just submitted an ASSAC application where I'm involved and that's to extend Shane's project make film history which you may be aware of the Archives for Education project which provides like a licensing scheme for the creative reuse of a number of archive material and so the if the you know the funding application is successful that will extend that project and also include the development of codes of fair practice for teachers in the UK and Ireland and also different levels of education including further education and primary and secondary schools so I mean you can see here there is quite a lot of activity you know around this fair practice initiative and you know it also comes with a lot of challenges but you know that's why you're working on it and yes I think you know the you know this new special interest group can play an important role you know in this project especially in relation to endorsement and adoption of the codes so yeah that was my bit. Thank you Bar that's that's really great. We just to clarify that Alt are a partner on the bid for for the funding so I think this special interest group is the way that we can make sure that the the copyright expertise within the community is linked up with the learning technology community more broadly and that adoption endorsement process so it's a really good opportunity but thank you very much that's a great overview we very much hope to have some good news on that soon but we will obviously have to wait and see yes fingers crossed fingers crossed so that leads on to the point about collaboration and partnerships so these are these are not a list of groups that we have agreed memoranda of understanding on working with these are opportunities we think to speak to these organizations many of whom we are members of as individuals the information literacy group Jane is the chair of we've and you're also a member of of lack of libraries and archives copyright alliance who are very active in this area of course for many years and have been advocating on behalf of the library sector so there's strong links there as well we've responded to a SILIP knowledge skills base consultation to say this is where copyright is an important part of librarians professional development national acquisitions group we have Scott prior is also recently joined the committee because we realized that we really want to have a strong link between acquisitions librarians who are facing the issues with ebook pricing and how we get resources and and what that means for potential you know things like control digital lending and the pressure that we're under given that that's taken hold in the US what does it mean for the UK Jane do you want to add some additional detail to the remaining ones we put on the list I mean if there isn't obvious potential international partner and we are already in contact with Stephen Wyber and Camille Francois who are both if they're who sort of deal with copyright education and information literacy thing so we're looking at how we can link up with their group which is called a copyright and other legal matters and we're going to attend as an observer the meeting in April because these have all shifted online so actually one advantage is that it actually means there could be more opportunities to to get involved with some of these international groups without having to travel and be able to go to the meetings we've had some initial discussions with the alt open education SIG which is another special interest group which has got an obvious overlap with so I think we're thinking potentially about an event to discuss the relationship between copyright literacy copyright education and open practice and then we have quite a number of members of the the cool gang who are also members of the UK Guild Copyright Negotiation and Advisory Committee so in addition to Chris and I we have Kate DeSilly we have Neil Sprunt and we have Chris Jones who are all on both of those committees so lots of opportunities I think and we're looking as I say all the time if anyone's got suggestions for groups that they think we should make some links with then please let us know absolutely so thank you for that so the final slide with words and points is this one here where we've got an event team who've put together a calendar of events the ones where we are presenting at such as OER 21 and OER X Domains the open education conference adult host where we will be exploring that link between copyright copyright literacy and open education we're also we had a presentation accepted at the ABC conference and this is Jane and I really we're taking the opportunity to talk about this group as much as possible and we will be doing the same at the SILIP Copyright Conference in May as we've discussed we want to share as widely as possible the insights from Emonie's research over many years with hundreds of practitioners which have real I think importance for our community if we can understand the ways in which we look at risk and understand how we make sense of legislation and I think there's also an opportunity coming off the back of this to think about advocacy and legal reform and what it means so we have a lot of discussion on on on copy-seek about how this works and you know how there's been public letters over since the pandemic began how do we deal with online learning so I think that we're hoping to drill down into some of that we can't believe it's not eyes pop we have indeed and in which this referring to as ICB INI well it's yes exactly yes and more about that's very soon I think we've got quite a number of people who've already agreed to speak and we're going to put out a call to recruit a few more people so lots of opportunities and to still get involved in that actually um we've put down that we might want to run some workshops in support of CNAC licensing so um the CNAC itself doesn't really sort of have any um any budget or any kind of capacity to run events as such so we think it might be an opportunity to sort of um to the cool gang to take some of that on given the overlaps between the committees and then very exciting I've got a group together of people who are interested in running a fair dealing week for the first time ever in the UK so that'll be next year in February and again something if you're interested in getting involved drop me a line not much has happened on that front yet just um I've just been suggesting a few things about how that could work yeah so yeah brilliant so it's all looking very exciting so the the thing that we're now going to say is if you have any thoughts about events or anything at all that um has popped up here we want you to get in touch and so the final message is your call sig needs you copyright is copyright belongs to you it's your issue and this is your clearly joining into the webinars every week because it's uh something you you you have responsibility for an interest in and this is where we can come together and it's not too late to get involved so we you've seen at the at the beginning there's a list of committee members this is not a closed you know a group of people that's it you've missed your chance to get involved we need people who are interested in these areas um who are are able you've got the capacity to to work through and and and ask the right questions and collaborate on solutions to come and join us so and suggest new areas as well if there's anything we haven't thought of so this was really just very much a first go coming up with the sort of working groups that we thought made sense but if there are other really pressing issues related to copyright and online learning that um you think need wider discussion then uh we want to hear from you so we're going to stop i think we have we are almost run out of time but does anyone want to ask any questions alan has just alan ray thank you who's just highlighted world intellectual property day uh we i think have that on our calendar we don't have a specific event planned but i think we'll certainly plan some twitter um activity perhaps we could tweet um some previous webinar recordings or something on that day but anyone anyone would would anyone like to would anyone like to come in and um just ask any questions or