 Yeah, okay. We are live live on the metal voice Not at the metal works, but on the metal voice manufacturing again, you know, it's been a it's been a year since we had Gilmore triumph What's going on Gil? Hey good to be here guys. I Mean 2021 for the metal voice We had an all-time high because we're able to get you on then we got Rick on and then we even tracked down Mike and had him on talking about everything from metal works to the documentary to record day Glad to have you back gilded to talk about the rock and roll machine documentary We've watched it six strings out of six strings is what I call it and a double neck guitar to boot so Congrats and what are your thoughts? Well, what's the reaction we should ask him what has been the Canadian reaction so far Yeah, you know guys the reaction's been It's been nothing short of overwhelming I guess when you're making it you don't know because you're too close to the subject matter You know kind of how it's going and you know you see rushes which is kind of like seeing You know when you were a little kid and your mom got you a Puzzle on your birthday and all the pieces were on the kitchen table And you don't know what it's going to look like until you actually assemble it and then you realize it's a horse Same principle here, you know like we're watching all these rushes and they're all little bits and pieces But you can't see the big picture. That's in the director's eyes. So you know hats off hats off to Mark Richardelli and Sam Dunn and you know the creative team Ralph Chapman and Don Allen these guys were absolutely incredible how they put this together Yeah, and that's the banger guys. That's the banger guys banger film production Yeah, they did we knew they were really good because we you know, we looked at what they did with iron maiden and Alice Cooper and In rush and um, you know, they've done so many great films easy top So we we knew they were they were the top of the food chain And they sure they sure proved it Uh, you know with our film like from at least from the band's point of view We we loved it and the reaction we've had from fans. It's just been over the moon. So it's been great I should plug this right off the bat. So it was available. First of all, it was at the international Toronto International Film Festival That's where it premiered Then it went on crave which the hbo version of Canada right crave it's been streaming on crava. I'm not sure if it's still stream, but I think it is and now This week on saturday at 8 p.m on ctv which again to all your americans. It's a canadian or national Canadian broadcasting It'll be playing at 8 p.m. I believe it's 8 p.m. Eastern time you can watch the documentary there. That's the big plug for the week Yeah, just just to clear the fog a little bit on on the distribution, which is a little You know something the band obviously doesn't control but Yeah, the deal the deal up here in canada right now is the saturday night Uh, the movie's going to play on the ctv network coast to coast in prime time 8 p.m Um at whatever your local, uh ctv affiliate is wherever you are As far as it's streaming on crave it it is continuing to stream on crave and will be there for years And film festival wise. Yeah, we we also after the toronto international film festival The film premiered at the philadelphia international film festival, which is by and we're now scheduled For the sarasota film festival as well. I don't have a date on that And uh, but I think there's going to be you know some announcements coming up fairly soon About u.s. Distribution as well So probably be a video on demand play and then probably a streamer as well similar to Here yeah, yeah very cool very cool Well, when I took away from it, I mean you guys were the original do-it-yourself band. I mean you know all the way from the Pyrotechnics and your pa system and your background and like bike told us you ask gill What time it is you'll build you a watch and I think that really comes through in the film Did he really say that I got to get him back for that one? Yeah, yeah, he got me with that one You know, we always heard rumors back then that triumph never opened for anybody and I I think you know you booking You know that is a square garden. Sorry Maple leaf gardens and it really explained why how that came about that that rumor that triumph never opened for anybody. So Yeah, it was just it was just a thing that we Drumped up. I don't ask me Why like all the agents and everybody told us you guys are nuts. That'll never work Um, you know, we got so many negative Bits of feedback from you know that when we were getting started that it never fly But we we managed to just convince Our american label when they signed us we just convinced them. I mean they they came up here. They saw us You know playing a you know big crowd at maple leaf gardens here 12,000 or whatever it was And that was kind of our audition to the american label And so we said hey we can we can sell out all the arenas in america too. You just got to believe in us And and so they gave us a lot of tour support in those early days those for that first round of touring And and but we still had we still had people telling us. Oh, you should have You know, you would have been smarter to you know be an opening act and we we actually tested that theory once we we were um We were we were stuck in cleveland. We were playing the The public hall, which is you know, 3 000 seats. We wanted to play richfield call seam, which is 15 000 seats And so the promoter convinced us to open for alice cooper that actually didn't open for any special guests. So um Billy uh, oh my golly. What's his name not billy ottle I'm forgetting now. It'll come back to me. It doesn't matter was the opener. We were the special guest and um And alice cooper headline and we hated it like we were like this isn't this is not our set This isn't our stuff. It doesn't sound right. It doesn't look right. I mean, I love alice But you know, it just was not a good move. So that was the one and only time we tried it. We went to hell with it Motor and cleveland jules belkin who we loved, you know, we just said jules Just bring us back and let us headline call seam and he did and he actually he actually went for it We came in and and we we did like the same we did like the 15 000 people the next time We came to cleveland. So it kind of proved our theory that we were right all along And just and just to plug this for everyone who hasn't seen in the us is anticipating this It's the story of triumph, right the inception Till I guess we'll call it to the sort of retirement era. Maybe we'll call it and at the same time the story parallels the superfans Who are Getting together and I think it was started started by nancy inch who who who started that whole movement And it parallels the superfans getting prepared to go see triumph on that sort of final show At metalworks and it's filled in with heartbreak and dynamics and even cartoons. I don't want to give it all away, but But well done. The story is told so well It's just you can watch it over and over again and people who don't like triumph We'll even enjoy it and learn something from triumph. Oh, yeah, I remember that song Does that summarize it pretty good? That was a good summary I can say anything more than that I'd say, you know, it's a story of of you know ups and downs and right turns and left turns and like you said The fans are kind of Part of the film too. I mean their their life experience with the band and some of their stories You know both both sad and happy that blend in I I I just think that people have asked me why have we gotten such a good response to the film And I said I think it's because you never know what's coming next like it's not a consistent story It doesn't it doesn't go a bcd e fg like it's like it's all leaping all over the place and you know one minute somebody's crying the next minute someone's yelling and you know It just it just goes to so many places and there's so many people That are commenting from different, you know lenses That it makes it I think it makes it interesting and that again, I just give the credit to the directors You know, I mean We were just kind of it flows it what happened their story. They're the ones that created something with it It's a kind of movie and I'm just gonna add this last last bit. It's a kind of movie that It's over like the film is done And you want to see more, you know those type of movies like you just it's not enough. I want to see more That's a kind of film it is Well, it's it's I think maybe again because it's a series of stories It isn't it isn't it's woven together into one story But really what it is it's like you open the next door and you go. Oh my god. What's on the other side of this door? You know, it's like a I don't know whether it's a house of mirrors or house of horrors or what it is You know what I mean, it's if there's a surprise every minute That's how I feel about it. Anyway, otherwise. I don't think I could watch it I would be just like I don't want to see this stuff. I was there and I know what happened But it's kind of fun for us to watch it because all the characters and things they say and everything it's it really makes it We interviewed rick about a year ago Right after we interviewed you and he was saying, you know, watching it and just watching the rush is He said, you know, all this stuff brought back some emotions and you know, I thought this was the past I thought they were buried but they started coming To the fore funny you got a little bit emotional and you can see that in the film that any any particular scene Kind of across there you was difficult to watch or you enjoyed watching No, I mean I I I found there were a few sad spots that were You know, they were kind of tear jerkers for everybody, you know, I guess for the band included but You know, it was part of it. It was part of the journey. It was part of the story and it's it's it's kind of what made the You know the fabric of the film And and the the narrative, you know, interesting if You know too many of them I've seen have been, you know, kind of just a straight story that's almost like a You know radio interview Well, then we went here and then we did this and then we recorded that out more Trouble lives everybody already knows that story, you know, I I've watched music documentaries where I've come to the end of it and I go I didn't learn anything about this band. In fact, I knew all this stuff going into it So I think it may be the secret that the directors really nailed with with the triumph documentary is that I think that No matter how Close you were a fan of the band or anything else like you just got hit with stuff left, right and centered that just seemed like Oh, I didn't know that I didn't know this story or wow, that was different. You know, I think it's that sort of Series of twists and turns that make it, you know, interesting The fandom that's what I learned the fandom like How many I guess it's because you went away too early, right? And when bands sort of will call it retire early They just you left on a high note. That's what it was. You didn't leave on this sort of tragic end um A lot of people asked me I got Ron saying is there going to be a dvd and will that include bonus material? And I'm sure there's a lot of material that wasn't included in the documentary Yeah, there's going to be a dvd for sure Uh, I know they started working on the packaging and the artwork Uh bonus material. I am not sure Uh, again, that's the film company's decision So it would be whatever they decide but uh, like certainly the band is not against it and um I think that they're targeting it for late summer early fall for the dvd release And that that'll be available everywhere worldwide Very cool When jerry did an interview with rick earlier about six months ago He was saying like this is kind of bang or found in ira did went through the footage And you know, they had to build the film constructed like you had mentioned And um, we're just wondering, um You know Just lost between a thought every second but perception Yeah, yeah When you when you three are sitting down And and does do one of you feel oh, you know what? Maybe it's not my story. It's not triumph story. Did everybody feel like the story was well represented with each band member Well, I know I know I did. Um I remember, you know in an early cut Uh, when the director said, what do you think I said you need to get more Of mike levine's perspective like it seems like this Film is all me and you know rick and I and and i'm not hearing mike's Voice enough and they they listened to me and they they uh, you know, they added Uh, they they thought it was kind of about a balance because the one funny thing about our our group Was that you know, the three of us as as similar as we were In in terms of our intent and what we were trying to do musically, you know as individuals I don't think we could be more different, you know, and maybe that's why we were you know, we were You know good good working together for for many many years Um, you know, I I get the fact that you know the film Uh, you know also talks about you know the breakup of the band or Whether it was a breakup or stopping playing whatever whatever the case may be but Like you said, you know, we we stopped when uh when it was appropriate Based on what was going on in our lives and each one of us was in a different space at that point In time, you know for me it was all about my my dad and uh, you know, rick It was a different story and you know, mike was you know, kind of caught up in it between us So I don't have any regrets. I really don't and I I think that In the film, I think if you Were a fan of the band or or or just a casual observer You you really heard the all three voices pretty loud and clear as to What they were what they were thinking and and and feeling and what the journey was like Yeah, I think the perspectives of everybody's well represented and you know going back hindsight being 2020 looking back That you said there was a difficult time for everybody. Do you think taking A space taking a rest and stopping the rock and roll machine putting that aside and coming back to it Maybe a little longer. Would that have helped at that time? um I I think it's that's an individual question. I know for me. I was not going to go back to the touring life Uh, I made a really really To me a very positive decision at that point that was based on family Uh from two perspectives, you know wanting to be in toronto and uh, you know have a stable existence raise my kids properly But also to look after my mother because she was she was i'm an only child She was left alone after my father passed and I wasn't about to you know, be in a hotel room, you know, 2000 miles away Uh knowing that you know, she she needed me at that stage in her life because You know, she was in her in her last decade and she'd had a stroke and and uh, You know, she had a little bit of impairment and she she needed her family there to help her So that was more important than you know, what we've done with triumph I figured we we'd proven our point, you know, we came out of canada. We were like You know held bent for election to try to you know, make it big in america Which is what all of us that we you know were surrounded by we're all trying to do and and we got there But you know, once we've gone around that circuit, you know Like five or six times and all those cities feel like whether it's detroit or san Antonio or You know baltimore or san francisco They all start to feel like man. Oh man good old good old crowd here We know these folks and you're kind of starting to repeat yourself You know, you're kind of starting to feel like hey done this now I I have no no quarrel with you know, the bands that just decided to go on and on and on forever You know like with the say the rolling stones at the top the heat, you know, god bless them Um, that's what they that's what they want to do and I know personally a couple of artists that have said You know, they just want to die on stage. They just want to keep going So, you know, it's over literally die on stage. That's that's that's not me um Mike and rick. I mean They got their own individual feelings about it. But I I don't think there's I don't think there's that much disagreement about You know the way things ended. I think that We've resolved whatever differences we had and I think that I think Mike feels good about triumph and You know what our career was and I think uh rick the same way and You know to this day with the loyalty we still get it's just incredible um And going through this process with you know the film and and and all the hall of fame that we've done including yours Uh, it's been a great. It's it's been a great ride at this stage We should also mentioned Trump was inducted into the metal hall of fame Uh, just a few months back maybe six months back now and just so you know gill That on amazon And I believe apple tv and all the rest of the streaming services It will be available so people can watch it there too, but I'm not sure Yeah, I think it's happening the next few days. So everybody stay tuned to that triumph inducted into the metal hall of fame Of course, of course um We're we're interviewing uh david bellino. He did the uh documentary the gas list the most dangerous A night club. Is that what it was called? Alan the the most dangerous. It's the when greatly played What was it called the deadliest concert in america, which is Unfortunately happened or probably it's old in the road island with the great white We recently interviewed him we interviewed him and we couldn't help but to think you know The bands like triumph and other bands like triumph we used pyro back in the day Did it ever concern you and worry you I mean because as fans we were there we were at those clubs and You know We watched we experienced it and you guys were on stage Uh, was pyro did you ever get scared of this whole pyro thing? I personally didn't but I was the pyro maniac in the band You know, uh, like I said in the movie pyro was mandatory, right? So, um You know that tragedy to me was you could have been avoided with you know, kind of some common sense I mean it was a low ceiling and it was flammable. So I don't know what the pyrotechnician was thinking Um in that in that environment, you know in arenas, it's a whole different deal I mean you're dealing with you know a ceiling that's 40 40 feet or more Up there for the most part and so, you know the the flames and stuff dissipate I mean we we did some damage to ourselves one way or the other we all sort of got burned that one time Um, but I don't think I don't think we ever burned a fan or or anything We burned a couple stages. We got in trouble for that but It was you know, I I will say this I you know, I think we were young and foolish and I I think that Um, we know a lot more about safety now Right across the board. I mean look at these wind events that have knocked stages down and killed people Yeah, I mean through that When we when we played rocklahoma for example, which was one of our You know kind of I'll call it one of our two reunion shows like sweden um Sweden rock and then we came over to To dalas and went up to prior oklahoma and played played that show The very very next day Like tornado kind of gale winds came through there and literally this very stage We had played on the night before was you know kind of just turned into twisted metal You know, I think it's You know the rock and roll shows are they're certain areas are dangerous pyros one of them You know outdoor and wind is is is one of them. I mean that that thing that happened with travis scott You know just a little while ago with the crowd getting Getting hurt. I mean there's a lot of things that can go wrong But you know the people that are you know running the events now and you know like live nation for example I mean they're very professional. They're they're you know long a long ways Down the road towards safety compared to what was going on When we were out there and I think you know even things like like pyro, which are inherently dangerous um, you know, they're they're getting better at making things safer just kind of like every other product you can probably think of it it evolves and so on so Uh pyro is a lot of fun. But but yeah, I think you know looking back on it now The whole industry was a little on the dangerous side and Um, you know that accident with uh with great white was a real terrible tragedy That's probably the the one thing that's really stood out in everybody's mind about pyro being dangerous Yeah, but looking back, you know, you learned from the pyro by looking back and looking at the documentaries Or anything that said I can't believe we had the cahonis to attempt that or to do that. That was like the whole movie Yeah, uh Yeah, I I tried some stuff on my own that was ill advised Um But you know, like I said, it was really just you know my own You know kind of experiments I was doing stuff with map gas and gunpowder and all sorts of things that I shouldn't have been touching but You know, uh young and foolish And and and and really just a different, you know A different time a different place. I mean, you know now, I mean metalwork stuff shows all over the place We're so safety conscious, you know, all the everybody that goes out on our shows has uh, you know Wsib, you know workers comp insurance and all this sort of stuff Um are all our our steel and stuff is all is all inspected I mean, we're we're so safety conscious now And that's really just what's happened in the industry So fans are all beneficiaries of the evolution of the production business getting getting more safe So I don't think In you'd never see a scenario like that great white Uh accident happening again in all in all likelihood Um, you know, and I know if if we were back out there it would be You know a different a different story in terms of uh, you know, how pyro would have been deployed, but Yeah, we were you know, I think some of the things we did maybe were a little a little edgy All right, some shout outs from people who are texting okay metal madness effin legend gilmore my biggest bucket list band I'm missing them back in the 80s Roberto santa an listen this one. This is one of my favorite bands I love trying my dream is to see them live in canada or where I live in brazil You there's so much love here Tim says was trying the first band to say was tit was sorry Was trying the first band to say in a song that their music style was heavy metal What's in the what's another day of rock and roll? Could have been steppin wolf though well As an interesting question because we've been asked that one before And you're right like the lyric heavy metal thunder preceded Us mentioning heavy metal in what's another day of rock and roll and But it was funny when john k You know uttered those words heavy metal thunder it it wasn't sort of referring to heavy metal music It was just those two words strung together And well, who knows what he was thinking. I don't lose the atomic bomb. Wasn't it? I don't know I kept testing of the atomic bomb. I think heavy metal thunder I think that's what it was but I could be wrong It's hard to get inside, you know, what allurus is to sinking at the time But uh, I love steppin wolf by the way another great toronto band Yeah, yeah mark is saying hi gill huge fans since the 70s saw you guys 12 times And enjoyed all the shows and albums can't wait to see the documentary in usa You're a great drummer and a great singer so Tough but uh, certainly will appreciate it. Let's say that Tom of all the triumph songs in general the songs. I like the most are the songs that gill sang There you go to me They were the harder songs in the catalog but gill was a straight up excellent singer I read somewhere that you were really trained as a singer. Is there any truth to that or? Well, you know, I never wanted to be a singer So when we started the only reason I was singing was so rick could take a break Basically and you know kind of maintain as His pulse and not have a heart attack on stage for doing too much Yeah, so like the last band I was in I had to sing and when triumph started. I thought that great I'm not going to have to sing so that's I started with a bad attitude about it But just because I really wanted to concentrate on drums But what happened is over the course of making records I started to actually really love singing and I thought wow, this is actually really a lot of fun I didn't realize how much fun singing could be and you know I I started getting some lessons from uh, one of our background singers as a matter of fact and then Later on I went further and I and I studied with an opera singer Um, he didn't teach me opera or anything. He just he just worked on my my voice, but uh Ed Johnson, he was he was fantastic a fantastic teacher up here in southern Ontario taught a lot of singers Uh, so I ended up really enjoying singing. It became a fun part of my career Yeah The other takeaway from the movie that I watch it's really to see You know, I get emotional watching a viagra commercially, you know Really emotions go back and revisit the breakup Just underlying surface. It's it's The kinship between the three of you comes through and like any arguments or or pettiness or like like rick says You got to learn how to forgive. You know that really shined through to me in the in the documentary canadiana. That's what it is Alan, that's what it is Well, you got to realize that you know for the most part, um, you know Any any group and you get them on like doing concert tours like we did where it's like endless hotels and And and airplane flights and all that it's it's hard, you know, um to maintain great friendships And we were able to do that, you know, I mean, it's not like we never had an argument or something, but you know None of us ever punched each other out or You know, we nothing never got out of hand if once in a while we'd get on each other's nerves or something We'd work it out So we really had a You know, we we called ourselves the three musketeers at times and you know, there's a good reason for it because We use humor, you know as a tool and You know the only thing I I asked the directors of the movie When they started and they wanted some input from the band. They said is there anything in particular you want to tell Your you know, your your fans about the band and I said I said, yeah I'd like them to know how much humor played a role because I felt humor was the glue That held triumph together and you know, michael veen was a very good audience and rick emmett is a very funny man and uh Between rick and I we would stir it up Doing impersonations and accents and all this stuff and you know, mike We would just crack mike up and it just it was a lot. It was just a lot of fun A rush dude is saying nice hat kill san antonio and the godfather I don't know where the godfather came from. Oh, Anthony Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, joe anthony joe anthony. That's right. He played a huge role in san antonio breaking so many bands like triumph and riot and rush and I don't know rush was more of a from uh, detroit, right? Um Yeah, maybe you want to talk about san antonio for a bit just in how Well, you can see the hat I'm wearing right now in the lone star state You know, I've always I'll I'll never forget, you know, texas and san antonio was our you know, was our kickoff point Um in texas. So, you know, I gotta I I love all of texas, but I guess there's a sentimental favorite there was san antonio and You know, we we had uh, we had the mayor there Um, give us an award at the alamo kind of kind of a piece of the presentation that was really special and uh, you know the uh Big arena in town there hemisphere arena. That's a great venue to play in and uh, you know, we started of course at san antonio municipal auditorium, which is You know ended up burning down But it was it was one of america's great theaters because it was so large It was like the air gone ballroom in chicago in that it was over 5000 seats even though it was a theater style uh venue and and uh, you know, you never forget those places uh, never forget the people And um, you know, it's funny how it it it comes back to you later in life the connections to those cities and You know the people there Randy D is saying san antonio february 18 1977 great show There's a lot of comments here It does here's a funny one. Does gilmore ever get confused with david gilmore Uh, yes, um Yeah, that's happened Um, okay. All right. There's also, you know, I don't know how much hockey you followed but doug gilmore is also pretty famous Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Um, christy says seeing triumph at least five times in the bay area, california They so rocked bill grand presents. Love you gil and by the way, it was frank marino that opened up for you with When you when alice cooper was headlining. That's what somebody said No, you know, it was I just remembered. It's billy was billy squire. It was billy Yes, yes, yeah So billy squire played and then we came out on stage and I felt like the the peanut butter and jelly between two pieces of bread So that was our one and only time we ever did that We went we got back in the dressing room afterwards and jules falcon came in and said, hey, how did you guys like it? We went jules. Love you like a brother, but we hated it, you know Nothing very good We need our we need our crew and our gear and our our stuff to feel, you know, it's like those are like You know our clothes almost, you know, it's like that's what we're used to So we just became so You know ingrained in that, you know Layout that to go on a stage where there was like a back line behind us and stuff and lights that weren't ours It was just I don't know we we just weren't weaned on that You know That's kind of the story Ron and matt and I'll combine this into one question. We'll let you go soon They want to know the fan fest performance. Will that ever be released? In its entirety. I guess there were three songs. I don't know as a bonus tracks or Maybe that'll be the I don't have a definitive answer, but I would say They may be because they were all recorded And they're all in they're all in the can so to speak So there's no reason why that couldn't happen. So I definitely Take that suggestion to mike and rick. Yeah Again the rock and roll machine documentary I learned a lot watching it. Like you said, it wasn't one of the ones I've heard this story 32 000 times You know, it was great. I learned a lot from it. It was a great watch the humanity comes through The the tricks of what you did early on in your career Definitely comes through and yeah, I highly recommend it for everybody that's watching us here and then watching afterwards Definitely So on ctv Right Yeah across canada Check your local listings. It's on prime time 8 p.m. Eastern standard and whatever that means across the country correct Correct over the ctv network and us any any sort of That's like the biggest question when I mean at least is there a timeline of when do you think it'll be released in some time Here's the thing and and we we need to say this loud and clear because If it was up to us if it was up to the band it would have been a simultaneous release um in usa and canada and and it wasn't and it's just really beyond our control because You know, that's the way films work. It's a film company and their district distributor you know round hill in america And uh, you know, all I can all I can say is uh when we know You know, everybody'll know it'll be out on our socials channels and and and we'll be happy when it comes out too Because I feel I feel badly for the us fans who are complaining that they want to see it And uh, and it's not I'm not available at this time, but that will change You know, it's funny guilt because I kind of feel the opposite. I feel like I have the privilege because I'm canadian that I get to see it first. I don't know. I'm allowed to say that right. I'm allowed to say that Yeah Yeah All right Thank you so much for joining us skill and one day we'll get around to a nice tour of metalworks that We're gonna take you up on the invite. You gave us a year ago. We can't wait down I think it's not a metalworks would love to do that. It's just so many things got in the way You take me up Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll do it's been a pleasure always a pleasure. I love speaking to the the madman behind the triumph That's what I love All right, thank you so much