 If Reality Check Radio enriches your day in life, support us to keep bringing you the content, voices, perspectives and the dose of reality you won't get anywhere else. Visit www.realitycheck.radio forward slash donate. Now it's time for Camus Buddies. This week we'll find out what they think about the Maori Party protests and their grandstanding over swearing an oath to the King. Our producer has them all lined up and ready to go. So let's hear what Camus Buddies have to say about to party Maori grandstanding. Good afternoon Paul, welcome to Camus Buddies. Good afternoon Cam, how are you going today? Yeah good, much better than last week, that's for sure. Very good, you're looking better too. Oh thank you very much, you know, body of a finely tuned athlete and all that. Exactly. So this week I thought I'd ask the question about what you thought about the shenanigans of the Maori Party or to party Maori as they like to call themselves these days and their little protest about the government and then their little swearing in ceremony on Tuesday where they appear to insult King Charles in taking the oath. I thought it was very interesting that if you want to take the politicians pay you have to take the oath. So what they do is they put up all the malarkey about oh no we're going to say to the treaty or to Ngati Whatur or to our whānau but in the end they take the oath because they want the money and I always think that's pretty funny stuff. And then Willie Jackson comes in and sees oh what if you say it's Maori to Winston and all the sort of thing, Winston doesn't humor and just smiles at him and thinks you're an idiot and he does what he wants to do because of course he's in government. Exactly, that's the thing isn't it, I mean they did all this grandstanding organised what is a rather pathetic protest really when you consider the amount of people that were out protesting the mandates and the groundswell stuff the Maori Party didn't seem to be able to organise that for many people to hold up the motorway system at all and then their grandstanding is exactly that it's just grandstanding wearing silly hats and treating the parliament with disrespect but ultimately they've got to swear the oath because they don't get paid otherwise. Yes it's amazing what the golden rule does do and when people have the golden rule in effect he with the gold makes the rule then that's the new golden rule of course then these folk often fall into line because it's all about the money that they want and they're saying oh the young people care if you go into view 100 young people on the street and ask them about this they'd all say eh what they wouldn't even know what it's about because they don't care they would more likely say we support Palestine especially if we're gay because gay for Palestine is a really good thing that so they think or they think that we have the right to democracy so we can go and say silly things about folk it's the only people that have a democracy over there of course is Israel and not the Palestinians and I look and I'm thinking the young people seem to be deluded by the media often and I think our Maori folk here they got more Maori in Parliament than ever before so that they've got double the amount of Maori politicians as they have Maori in the populace and they're saying oh this is a big backward step for Maori hello looks like it's the most forward step that we've ever seen and when we stop fooling about with two governments or whatever they're thinking about and New Zealanders all get on with each other and we all try and make the country great we get on a whole lot better and everybody has a nice time and as for these people saying oh we're not going to do that and they don't like the fact that of Maori smoke more than the rest of the country so the taking the no-spoking generation away affects Maori they're just looking for something to be aggrieved by there's no reality in this I mean Maori have the same opportunities not to buy cigarettes as the rest of the populace and if they're relative to smoke and they can see them all croaking with emphysema they get a close-up eye view of why it's not really a very good idea I mean yeah that's the thing isn't it that is that there can't be any child that goes to school these days that doesn't know that smoking is bad for you and yet we seem to have this abiding belief that the government will protect us from our own stupidity and you know I mean I only smoke cigars and I only do that for health reasons but I don't smoke cigarettes because it's stupid and and I see see the diseases that come from that plus the increased taxes that you have to pay for the privilege of smoking cigarettes is a tax on stupidity well I think if you are stupid and you get taxed for it I think that that's sometimes an okay thing I've smoked in the past I thought better of it and I quit smoking and I feel a whole lot better for having done so but I mean I quit smoking I think more than years ago and from time to time I still look at them thinking I wouldn't mind a pass so it's actually definitely addictive stuff but I'm looking thinking no it's not for me I don't just worry about that and I don't want to say an example to any young people that actually look at me and think somehow I'm a role model and but back to the question you asked I think it's um if you if you say which treaty different treaties and the one that they're talking about which is the the Maori version of the treaty there's a lot less in there for them the translations are quite different so I mean one that talks about sovereignty being ceded and the other it doesn't and all these sorts of things and and if you were to ask the average person even the people I think in the Maori party and until they've been schooled up on there about how unfair it is they never thought it was unfair because they used the electoral system got themselves voted in and they're now in parliament getting more money than they've ever had in their lives and you're looking you think well can't be all bad well I mean that's the thing you know Debbie now we were packer was on on Tuesday morning on breakfast TV with Shane Jones and insulting him as as old and irrelevant and and then sitting there saying that the Maori that New Zealand first party and the act party don't represent Maori um they look they only got six percent and eight percent and I'm sitting there thinking well hang on why isn't the the interviewer saying well hang on you only got three percent so how can you how can you claim to have a mandate for Maori which is 17 percent of the population when you only got three percent of them to vote for you and whilst you're insulting the act party and the New Zealand first party the elite is a Maori and they're in government who would have thought that's the thing and they're in government making decisions they're in government making decisions not shouting from the outside and that's the other thing if you look at the cabinet 20 members of the cabinet and a third of them are Maori it's the biggest number ever of Maori cabinet ministers and these clowns are protesting and saying this is a racist government and and they don't represent Maori well Winston Peters would have something to say about that I'm sure so would David Seymour well also it's not a representative government when twice the number of cabinet positions are held by Maori then they represent in the population but but no Europeans complaining about it no Asia is complaining about it our Pacifica people aren't complaining about it people are saying let's get on and do some stuff so so three percent of the vote now think that they can call us and tell us who's complaining about what um they don't represent their people well I don't believe and most Maori that you speak to want to have a good feed a good hard day's work a game of rugby and a few laughs maybe a song or two on on the guitar now that might sound very stereotypical but I've employed many Maori who are the loveliest people we're having jokes laughing joking around it's all good and I've also had businesses where the Maori were the and I've worked for them they were the bosses all still good and so I'm thinking this is to me how commercial things happen not by the government saying oh we'll we'll hold you back here and we'll lift these people up because they've got a harder road to hoe at the end of the day life's tough work hard succeed moan about how everybody's done your wrong and fail if you keep getting told that you you're hopeless and you need the government to look after you you'll be hopeless won't you and you may even need the government to look after you which is which is what they want and then when the government says that they can be your daddy and then you get to do everything that you're told whereas when with rightly center right leading governments when they say get out there and give it a go work hard and you'll be rewarded and successful that's what we do and we have and then all sorts of things go well for all sorts of people that's right we need to get back to that thank you so much for your call paul and we'll talk next week all good take care bye for now welcome to cams buddies jack hey cam how are you fantastic this week better than last week that's for sure excellent so this week I've got a bit of a a curly question no doubt you're gonna give me your curmudgeonly opinion on that but what do you think about the performance of to party Maori or the Maori party with them organizing a protest and then you know performing like trained seals in parliament pretending they're not going to swear the oath and then eventually having to swear an oath to the king even though they said they wouldn't do it what are your thoughts on that well I think um basically I think it's just a bit of a laugh except it's not of course but they obviously have never done a salesmanship course if you want to actually get someone to be sympathetic to your cause you don't go pussing them off and that's what they've effectively done with a hell of a lot of people today as the painted face trolley wearing glassing glasses wearing whatever his name is in parliament yeah what has he ever done I was trying to think um you know everything Cameron what has he actually done how long has he been in parliament and what has he actually achieved well I think what he's achieved is uh expanding his girth uh supping at the trough a quick research into him says that he's done three-fifths of five-eighths of stuff all and he's been in parliament he's been in parliament uh yeah where he stood for the labour party originally in 2014 then he joined the Maori party and then was elected in 2020 and then basically he's done nothing since and will continue to do nothing um he's passed a couple of I had a couple of uh you know things to say about abortion and conversion therapy and stuff like that but not much really um in anything that he's done before entering parliament or after that was I thought um I see that um none of them were going to swear an oath of allegiance to the king until someone reminded them unless they did that they couldn't enter parliament and therefore they wouldn't get paid the moment they heard it not getting paid they quickly changed their mind which is so funny well that's the thing I mean that's the thing isn't it was all grandstanding they were going to have to swear the oath in any case because it's a legal requirement and they grandstand and and you know try and rewrite it and insult the king by calling him a scab and by using Maori and thinking that they're all a bit clever but the reality is is that the treaty that they swore allegiance to in their pretend allegiance the crown was a party to anyway so they're swearing allegiance to a ratty old document that was found on a shelf falling to pieces that the crown is a party to so it's hilarious uh really when you think about it it's this hilarious and what would all those I assume it was thousands of people protesting why weren't they at work no it'd be hundreds has the country lost productivity I don't think there was much of a protest at all I mean voices for freedom uh had organized and groundswell have organized much bigger protests so you know it doesn't say much for the organization power of of to party mary but then you know you look at it Debbie Nariwa Packer the co-leader she was on breakfast television on Tuesday morning slamming the act party in New Zealand first for only getting six and eight percent and it didn't ever enter her brain you know that actually that that was more than double what she got for her party which is three percent I did that I laughed at that too but you know no one pulls them up and says hang on you just have you just you just have to think of it as a joke you seriously do you cannot take it seriously except you know one of our colleagues even couldn't make our meeting this morning because the motorway was blocked yeah that peeve me yeah I mean it's just ridiculous motorway was blocked presumably by the colonialist motor vehicles that they were using um as they're protesting colonialism you know it's it's insane yeah why weren't they on horses like or did they actually have horses in 1840 no I knew the horses they stole of the British of course well that's where the that's where the kai manoa horses come from actually you know the famous kai manoa horses a little bit of interesting history there was a bunch of British soldiers you know and as you head up the um uh the Napier Taupo Highway and you you go up that big long hill and at the top of the hill there's a bit of bush there and there's a an ancient site we're not you know an old site from the 1840s there was a group of British soldiers that were ambushed there by Takuti's lot and all the horses escaped into the into the kai manoes and that's where they come from yes well I was about to say that I actually had two relatives killed by Murray and one of them was in that party you were talking about and the other one was much more recent which kind of like hardened me a little bit against their attitudes I wish they'd actually spend more time looking after their children and not murdering them on a daily basis well you know that's a debatable point obviously that they would oppose but they don't march in the streets for the young kids that are being bashed to death do they way back um when I had the owner's job of doing photographs for Her Majesty's New Zealand police uh we did all autopsy photos and I tell you what every single child that was killed were married there wasn't one that wasn't and the atrocious things that were done to them and I believe it's just the same today what do they concentrate on fixing that up well chance would be a fine thing they've got more important things to worry about really yeah like oaths and things like that anyway jack thank you for your comments um curmudgeonly as usual but on point and I look forward to talking to you next week see you cam thank you thank you welcome to cam's buddies Marcus how are you this week you know buddy I'm good mate how are you yeah good keeping out of trouble this week yeah I thought I'd come down to Tauranga to see what was happening down here with regards to um all the protests that were supposed to happen today in Tauranga you're in Tauranga yeah yeah I came down to visit the old folks you know that's a little bit out of the way from your um westy kicking ground stomping ground isn't it yeah I'm I'm keeping in my supply down here because I might get a bit scared if I know there's a westy in there and then you know this week's topic is um what do you think about the shenanigans of the Maori party their protests on Tuesday and their grandstanding in parliament over the swearing of oaths I think you've pretty well much uh thumbs up with that it's just shenanigans I mean they're trying their hardest to be relevant um I say good on them go protest I'm all for protests you can do all that it pisses people off and um and they and they either agree with you or don't agree with you and I mean how many how many percents of the Maori party get this um this last section two percent more than just a bit over three percent yeah three percent which is more than they deserve quite frankly but I mean hey I'm all for protests and um we all know what it's like when people the general population um slams protesters for being you know idiots and not not allowing people to go to work and all that sort of thing so I mean yeah sure they could have done it probably a bit better as far as um allowing people to get past and not stopping in the middle of the roads and that but hey at the end of the day they um felt like they achieved something so whatever good on them I mean clearly I don't agree with them as far as the shenanigans and and and parliament they're just trying to be relevant there I mean they're separatists and they're racists and and they're everything that we don't want New Zealand to be and I say let them talk and let them let them show themselves who they are I mean ultimately they're not in government I mean you know I mentioned to a couple of the other buddies that Debbie Nauri with Packer was moaning about how New Zealand First and ACT don't represent very much of the population they're very tiny percentage of course New Zealand First got double what the Maori party got and the ACT party got more than double what they got but but it was uh just said matter of factly not challenged by anybody in the media that the Maori party got just three percent of the vote Maori make up 17 percent of the electorate so and 35 percent of the um of the cabinet and 35 percent of cabinet I mean they're sitting there saying this is a racist government but all the evidence suggests otherwise that they're not racist at all that we've got more Maori in cabinet than we've ever had before even under the incredibly woke Labour Party and this is just a hangover this is a hangover from Labour days where they just say stuff and then the media accepts it as gospel and they just blurt on about all this rubbish and 100,000 homes and that and Maori parties say New Zealand First and ACT are racist and that's it that's all they have to do they don't have to prove that they don't have to pull any evidence out in fact the evidence again is pesky pesky facts they're the opposite they want all New Zealanders to be equal I mean that's exactly the opposite to being racist it's literally not racist and when you talk about one rule for somebody and one rule for somebody else that's an advantage to one group of people and if that group of people happens to be a race that's by definition racist so I don't I mean the facts aren't on their side so I mean I say just let them keep talking and hopefully the media gets slammed by people like Winston Peters and they pull them to account and say actually let's talk about what the word racist means and let's let's nail it down and let's let you the media tell me exactly what policy in my party is racist they won't be able to do it because there isn't well that's the thing the the Maori party seems to want to shut down debate and conversation and discussion over what is actually meant by the principles of the treaty because there are no principles in the treaty there's three articles there's no principles and yet and yet we're being told that these that they want to fight this government because their understanding of the treaty is the right understanding and the Maori that are in the government now the wrong sort of Maori and therefore we should ignore what the voters have actually delivered and do what they want the woke left never ever want to talk about facts you know they don't want to talk about what the what the actual meaning or what the intention of the treaty is because in their opinion in today's world this is the way it is and so when they die often the next generation comes in they'll have a different opinion about what the treaty means to them when in fact the treaty was derived at a time when things were much different than today and the Maori and the Pakeha all got together and says okay everybody's equal under the law of not 10 whatever his name was Charles yep yeah Queen Victoria um everyone's equal under the eyes of her and we've all got a chance to do well in this country we're going to call New Zealand that was that was what it was intended for you know and nowadays it seems that you can have some sort of um interpretation every single generation along the line so i mean this is just going to carry on forever and that's what i'm saying the what the work left or the woke people don't i hate that we work actually but i'll use it anyway those people the left crazy loony left don't want to talk about the facts because if you nail them down to the facts then they'll just revert to name coin which they do in this case call you racist or and um completely shut you off as somebody that i want to listen to sort of and so i mean i think it's been all right what what um uh act and and what competitors is doing they're looking at it going well hang on let's let's put a final nail on this and it's been tried before so it'll be be very interesting how they get on um but yeah i mean isn't there's much really you can say because every every generation is going to change your opinion it's you know it's like you know you can yeah go on all all night about what you think something is in someone else they have a different opinion to it and then later on in life that opinion changes it's like pronunciation of multi language i mean now it's not fun today it's fun today and that changes every five years it seems it's like no one knows how to call these names yeah so who's right who's wrong there's one right when i was a kid yeah and taranga they're taranga not too now and it's too too po or something like that now i'm down in taupo yeah i mean it's like i say it's just it's different opinions they come out with something they say well this is a quick one so everyone brings it on board and they do that then the next generation comes along says no that's not what the treaty meant look we've been hard done by we need to get some more money from the government we hate yeah and so the guys i mean they should be shamed i mean i'm not much of a monocist it's a monocist i'm not much of a monoc fan with regards to the king and queen all that sort of carry on i don't i'm not averse to being a republic although i don't think we're we're strong enough to be a republic because we haven't got any any sort of place in the world where we can stand our own two feet we rely too much on other countries however i mean if you're going to go into parliament we're under the the governance of king now what's his name charles charles so therefore we have to we have to you know this has come to his rule and so that part of the tradition is you have to do that if you're not going to do that then you can bugger off yeah i mean that that's the thing isn't it they don't want to play but they have to play and uh you know they can do all of their grandstanding all they like but at the end of the day they had to swear the oath otherwise it wouldn't get paid or they couldn't be an mp so they decided to take the money they didn't have money the money trumps had money trumps their principles bang on where where does cowboy hats come into the into the fault in the history of Maori as well i'd like to know oh i know he didn't wear a cowboy hat today he had some other sort of flax thing on his head it looked like a clown wig actually yeah i i did see that and there was another guy i mean looked like he was out of a you know a crash bandicoot playstation game mario brothers music in the background never mind yeah that's all a big slideshow mate that's all just a big game and and and the media's loving it because they got something to sort of hang their head on i mean the protest today i think i mean they got their word out there and the media's reporting on it i don't know if they achieved anything they feel like they did what 300 cars i think was up in Auckland yeah i was you know there's probably more down in town i don't yeah there's probably more cars in the local shopping center car park than then we're at the protest yeah there probably wasn't even 300 i mean the media probably pushed to those numbers up as opposed to what they did with the protest down at Wellington where they they shrunk those numbers and all those protests in Auckland where they said the 2000 people when there was like 10 000 plus easily yeah exactly so who knows the media are in on it the media are in on it yeah they want they want all this um agitation and um you know uh separatism separatism threats of violence all of that sort of they want all of this because they don't like the results of the election just as much as the Māori party doesn't like the results of the election i reckon Winston should come out and call the Te Pāti Māori party the river of filth that'd be awesome he's got far too much gravitas to do that i'm sure he does all right Marcus i'll let you get back to um buttering up your parents in Tauranga and uh we'll have to catch up when you get back some and now that i've got this bug out of the way and my black eye is uh is started to heal uh it'll be time for a smoke time for a smoke on the boat i'll give you i'll give you another one mate in the other line okay even though that yeah maybe we maybe i should bring all the recording equipment and do a cams buddies from the boat there you go there you go there'd be a bit of swearing in the background if we sail in oh here comes something exactly all right buddy thank you for your call and we'll talk next week all right mate catch you later welcome to cams buddies jimmy Cameron how are you this week oh fantastic did you get disrupted on on Tuesday morning no of course not i didn't get disrupted on Tuesday morning i work gentlemen's hours oh lucky for some yeah i know some people so what's your topic today topic today is precisely that the disruption on Tuesday the Maori Party protest and their carry on down in parliament fake swearing on the treaty and then insulting the king as they swore the oath of allegiance what your thoughts are on those i thought that the protest was just a big bunch of unhappy socialists who have lost an election and don't want to accept the result the parties clearly campaigned on the policies there at the meeting unlike the previous Labour government who didn't and yeah it's just a big it was mostly just you know socialists and unemployed people i mean honestly well i guess there's no way there was one benefit as you were stuck in traffic behind a bus with my picture on it i know i keep seeing your fat chops all over the show mate it's bloody terrible yeah never it's like it's good you're a blogger you can no longer say that i um don't take public transport i'm i've been on several buses the um yeah now that look that the protest was just not accepting the result of the debate we've just had our election like you can't say that there's any surprises here and it's really this this three years is going to probably be quite entertaining i think disruptive but it's just hope that the none of the current MPs back down from their policy positions they got voted in on because i don't think they're going to you know i'm pretty i'm pretty sure that ACT in New Zealand first actually want the Māori party to be having protests and marching and saying outrageous racist things um because it suits their agenda um that they can stand up against it and say well you know we might not be the right sort of Māori but you know at least we're in government well that's one of the funniest things is Seymour and Winston pushing this are literally Māori and Shane Jones i mean it's just bizarre but um i i think that the problem we have is that the media sympathize with the protesters more than with the government and so the spin you see on it is much more sympathetic to you know the cause than there shouldn't be any spin on it should it should be just the facts you know they shouldn't be sympathetic to the government or the protesters they should say there was a protest today 300 people annoyed a million commuters and those are the facts well if i agree but that's just not how it is and they they seek clicks and they seek outrage and they seek you know and so they were all there with their cameras on all the over bridges and they were snapping it up and loving it just causes drama and they get clicks and we literally have to stop clicking on their pages to kill them it's just metaphorically kill the media business you know i mean it just can't it's going to damage our democracy because it's just literally not the views of the public but it's made to appear like it is yeah and and that's the thing i think the government can help with that uh by removing their advertising dollars from spending it with these organizations that spend all of their time attacking them so this they should just call in all the heads of departments from the government you know departments sit down with the finance minister and nuclear willis and she'd sit there and say well how much money did you spend on advertising on radio and and what was it for and can we knock that on the head let's just knock that on the head for six months and see how that goes and take the money off them i think it'd be hilarious i'd love to i'd love to see them do that they would just be delicious but is that like i haven't seen any sort of policy on that i think Winston made some noises during the election but i haven't actually seen any clear policy on you know advertising spend or you know shifting budgets because it's such a problem like that protest today was just basically woke marxists and activists marry and and it just pissed everyone off i talked to about it they're all late to school and late to work and late for appointments and if you watch the media seems like it was a great thing yeah because they're sticking to the government that they don't like that's the thing the media are in on it and that's what i've said they're in on it they actually want this to happen because they want to undermine the government from the very beginning of it well i don't know what to do about that but because that well we do know but there's nothing i can do about it i'm not clipped stupid and in the experts the media go to are literally people activists why don't they go to a few soft school moms who are late why didn't they bring up cams buddies well maybe i could rent them cams buddies for a bit because you guys seem to be far far more sensible than than the talking heads that the other media use well that's true but they're just i mean they just seem to go to all the the most leftist on twitter end up talking on news it's just like well this is you know there's just it's just too extreme they're not talking to the right people but i guess they just want the activation and the clicks and this yeah so i just think that protest on tuesday was just just insane basically just a pointless loss of public support for the marley party amongst the activists let's remember that the marley party only got three percent of yep three percent to vote 17 percent of the population are Maori and they can only get three percent yeah it's just not widely supported they're a minnow but but they win seats due to the you know the seat situation that they're in well debbie now we were packer debbie now we were packer on breakfast television with shane jones on tuesday morning was attacking act in my first saying well you don't you don't have very much of the vote and um you know you don't represent marley and and nobody said hang on a minute you know lady you only got three percent yeah that's half of what new zealand first got and it's less than half of what act got so act in new zealand first plus national was a majority of parliament so why don't you shut up well i thought that she rebutted chain by calling him misogynist that's because she's gotten a decent argument other than saying that he doesn't just doesn't like women which is insane well that's just typical which is not just a racist it's completely nuts because if you know who shane jones wife is you can you know he's not a misogynist because he just get a clip if he was who it was dot you famous person no she's well known in marie circles but you know she's not one to take any nonsense and she wouldn't take any misogynist nonsense from shane jones that's for sure absolutely for sure so it's just an insult like you know it's like when they say oh you're a racist you know whatever yeah said the racist i don't like your politics you're a racist i don't like you you know the argument you're misogynist it's just it's just getting so boring and i've said it before i think even on kinespade it's you're gonna they're gonna lose the meaning of the word and people are not gonna care and then when there's real racism you know it's just gonna mean nothing and it's it's a bit of kind of sad really well it's like it's like you know we get called conspiracy theorists and cookers and all sorts of nonsense like that they're just words you know and they don't mean anything they don't signify anything and that's ultimately where the marie party is sitting there are three party in opposition we'll never hear from them again inside the parliament there's nothing that they'll be able to do they'll get very few questions because that's how it works and the grown-ups will carry on governing the country for the better and you know it's it's brilliant to see that hope it just continues well that's exactly right but i hope that they don't use their position to cause big division and end up with protests on motorways and you know causing real strife and there ends up with you know police there and battens and you know just it just it just no one wants it you know it just needs to be argued out politically and if we if we don't start if we stop accepting democracy in the vote then you know we've got real problems yeah so that's exactly right they need to make a good cause and they got three years time they need to make a good cause and get voted into power and change the policies if that's what they feel that shutting down motorways is not the way to win public support no in a way they've shown them through south but it could cause some carnage in the next three years i see david siebel got heckled oh i'm sure he doesn't won't worry i'm sure he doesn't care you know imagine if people were the vaccine protest was you know heckling MPs it was all called harassment and slugity and you know total rubbish anyway jimmy thank you for your comments this week and we'll talk next week thanks cam cheers see you my buddies are awesome they never let me down and we got a few cold hard truths there for sure tell us who you think is the best of cam's buddies and why by emailing inbox at 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