 Okay. Okay. Six o'clock. All right. Do we have a quorum? Yes, you do. All righty. So having a figured out, we have a quorum. Then we will call this. Regular meeting of the. Regional planning commission. That's six PM. And are there any changes to the agenda? Yeah. Yeah. Madam chair. I think Brian Davis has a, has a little bit of a conflict this evening. If we could move items seven. The active transportation plan to after 11. Okay. You may be able to get here before that, but just, you may not be here when we get to seven. All right. That sounds good to me. Any other changes to the agenda? If not. Then we will go to it. There is any member of the public here who has something to say on items that are not on the agenda. Do we have anybody wishing to speak on items that are not on the agenda? Don't see any hands in my section. I don't get the whole screen. Seeing none. Catherine. Yeah. Yeah, probably. And I apologize. I should. Call your attention and welcome. Miles wait, who is moving up from an alternate. Board member to primary, hopefully, late this evening, represent the natural resources sector. So welcome miles and, and also Bruce Wilson is here with us for his first board meeting. And you'll be voting on his position for the socio-econ housing seat. In tonight's meeting also. So welcome, Bruce. Also. Thank you. Thank you. Well, that's good to know because the. Agenda actually the one I'm looking at. Actually only has discussion. So we do have an action item there. All right. My mistake. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Great. All righty. Then we'll move on. There is no consent agenda tonight. So we will move on to the minutes. Of. July 20th. No minutes. Do we have. Emotion. And. Changes to approve. This is Andy. I'll second that Chris. Are there any changes or corrections noted on the. All right. We'll move on to the minutes. All right. Okay. On page one line 43, it says Matthew Langham said, flex dollars can be used this for preventive maintenance. They used this for sort of this very awkward. I mean, I would imagine it. We could just drop off the this can be used. Okay. Page five line 36. I mean, these are just, you know, very minor, but, um, at the end of the set of last sentence, it says, Charlie, most of the CCRPC committees have people. I mean, I imagine it's Charlie said. And the last one is just a really very tiny one. Page. Six line 30. Okay. I'm going to move on to the next one. Is there any other corrections or things to be noted? Changes. Is that all right with Andy and it's fine by me. Okay. All right. All right. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Is it easier to say aye or raise your hand? You know, The way the screen is. You know, I kept thinking about this as, you know, as I did different things over the past year. You know, considering, you know, we, we never get quite the full screen. Even when you have the gallery view, at least on my, my screen. So. Okay. So anyway, I think the motion passed. Garrett abstains. Thank you, Garrett. Are there any no's to the agenda? Hearing none. Moving on. The next is the multi-jurisdictional all hazard mitigation plan. And that requires a. A resolution as an action item, but who will speak to this one? Dan will speak to that. So, again, to introduce myself, Dan Albrecht, senior planners to the county RPC. There's sort of three documents in the packet. You've got the memo from me that explains why we're here. And then you have the resolution document. And then there's a separate link to the plan. Just by way of background, this is the. Fourth plan that have been done for the county 2005, 2011, 2017, and now 2022. Unlike those three previous plans. We are not the primary author. We're not the primary author. We're not the primary author. We're not the primary author. And the state put out a request for proposals about. A year and a half ago, two years, maybe now. And we bid on it. We did not win the contract. It was won by a group called IEM, which is a national consulting firm that does a lot of hazard mitigation plans. So they won the contract. And, but we were a part. Of the plan. And we did some of Pam's time. To help with the plan, mostly Pam, Pam helped, of course, with the maps. And I helped with reviewing some of the texts. At the regional level, the goals and the strategies. And also just sort of guiding them along. Who to, who to work with at the different towns. As well as helping to facilitate some of the meetings of the. Plan update review committee, which was, which was involved in it. So it's a, it's a big long document. The primary purpose of it, of course, is. Planning is a good thing to do. And with hazard mitigation. It's even better just to reduce the impacts of hazards. Hazards are going to happen. But if you take actions ahead of time, you can mitigate those effects of those hazards. I'm going to share my screen briefly, just to kind of hit the goals, the strategies and the actions. And then I'll open it up for questions. And then you guys can consider the resolution. Let's see. So. Sorry. Too many windows here. Okay. So there's the. The plan document. One of the things that's very different about this plan compared to the older one is that the. It's gotten even longer. It's gone from a hundred and 80 some pages to three hundred and seventy three pages. I am had a lot of. Well, they made the general order. Of the chapters is the same because it follows a female rubric, but they. Added a lot more detail. So I'm going to go back to the, I'm going to go back to the data. On different hazards. Again, very high level data, but data nonetheless. So that's why I got longer. The, the key items here. Again, you, you do it because of good planning and also. The other thing is that this plan serves as the thick description, the necessary analysis required by the code of federal regulations for a hazard mitigation plan. So this document serves that purpose. For the municipal plans, which are annexed to this document. So this is called a multi jurisdictional plan. Because it has this larger umbrella document that brings it all together. And it does endorse some regional level actions as well too. So all the towns were the exception of Burlington. Burlington's almost done with theirs. We'll be voting. Their select boards will be voting a similar resolution to adopt this plan and their respective annex. It updates from the 2017 plan. All the towns participated except Colchester, which did its own effort. Also with, with state funding and they hired a separate consultant and did a standalone town plan. The. The process again was to. The planning process was, you know, reviewing the hazards, updating the relative risk for different hazards, looking at the strategies, plan maintenance, then putting together the plan. This table gives you a sense of the different relative. Impacts severity of different hazards. Across the county. And the individual towns. So those are the big ones for us are human infectious disease, severe rainstorm, severe winter storm. And then water pollution, otherwise known as phosphorus and all that entails with MS4 permits and the municipal roads, general permits. So those are the big ones we talk about. The, the categories of actions that the strategies. Pretty. They're slightly different wording, but, but pretty much the same as what we did before in 2017. Large scale planning category A. The work with tactical basin plants so much of hazard mitigation is tied into water quality management. Infrastructure help, of course. Protecting existing development, promoting growth in appropriate locations. And then category F is almost a, it's a strategy to be sure that our, the fiscal impact of hazards to municipalities are, are kept at a manageable level. The, so we get again into the, the, the body of the plan again. It gives an introduction. We do the talks about the process, what meetings were held. And then we get into the, the large description and then you really get into the different hazards. And profiles of all the different, and you'll notice. Right here from page 90. To 302. Is the bulk of the plan. Right there. It's all about the profiles of the hazard. So it's got some thick description of every single. Natural hazard. And then a little bit smaller amount on technology, technical and societal hazards. So it's not only requires to do natural hazards. We talk a little bit about technical hazards and societal hazards, because we did in the previous plans. And then after you look at the different hazards, you say, well, what's our capability? Some hazards may be significant, but we have plenty of ongoing actions that already addressed them as there, and there's not really new strategies that are needed. So it's sort of a winnowing down process of lots of hazards, but then you've got capabilities. And in the end, you're left with a gap. And therefore you should have strategies to address the gap. So. Let's get to the end here. The fight, the strategy part. Okay. So right. So we got the strategies here. We, we looked at. You know, our regional goals, it's embedded, of course, in our hazard plan, but it's also in our, our ECOS plan as well too. So there's a, there's a relationship between these plans, between these two major plans. Again, those goals of protecting infrastructure, protecting properties, these are the broad level hazard mitigation goals. And making sure that our municipalities are incorporating their hazard mitigation plan into their comprehensive plan and their bylaws and, and then to the, their program, their operating programs and their capital budgets as well too. And then there is a broader reference to planning for growth with an awareness of changing climate and resiliency. So again, there's the strategies again, right here, the different categories of strategies. And we did, we have different regional activities. You know, we help with zoning bylaws, river corridors, infectious disease and invasive species. So on and down the line. Tentacle. So it gives a summary here of the ways we help. Again, most of this is the responsibility at the municipal level, but we do some of this as well too. Land conservation plays a big role as well too. Because to the extent you have undeveloped land, protected land that can, you know, especially if it's near a river or other sensitive areas can help affect hazard mitigation as well too. We, this just gives, so we, we recap what we did from 2017 plan as well. What's the status of those actions? What progress we made? A lot of good progress working in municipalities on bylaws strengthening their water quality language, their flood resiliency chapters, stormwater master planning. MS for work with private green infrastructure. The municipal roads general permit, all the great work done by your town road crews as well as Chris Dubin here and our staff keeping track of all this stuff. And then, you know, there's been some kind of, you know, rebuying and revue changing, you know, helping out with the buyouts and elevation of master's properties takes place again primarily at the municipal level. And there's been some small progress on that too. The, the striving for the goal. The ecos plan, again, as you go to know you guys been, all the municipalities have done a great job with that with more than 80% of the new development. planning. And then all our towns are doing really well on adopting their local emergency management plans, road and bridge standards, national flood insurance program and of course adopting violence. So when we get to the 2022 actions here, it's essentially the same ones we're carrying through in a dovetails with our work plan. So that's that's kind of what we do here. So we'll continue with the flood resiliency planning, river corridor protections, water quality bylaws, tactical basin plan work, project prioritization, project development, the municipal roads general permit, of course, so on down the line. I do have a question here because I noticed this. Has this language changed here to now 90% officially or is the is the old plan still active there Charlie? Still 80%. Still 80%. Okay. So the text is still accurate. So we'll continue to promote that and we'll continue to help our towns with getting a good match rate on the emergency relief and assistance fund. This is the matching contribution from the state on top of the money from FEMA in the event of a disaster. Right. And then of course municipalities have their own set of actions which will you can be attacked into an appendix there later and stuff. So that's that's the that's that document right there. And then you have your resolution. Bar does he have a question? Yeah, I realize it's probably very parochial but you know, contemplating briefly the challenge we have in Richmond. So ponder briefly Richmond, you got this hillside going towards the river, right? Up in the middle of it you have route 89. Further down you have route two. You'll notice that a culvert is being replaced under route 89. You might ponder where does that culvert outflow go? And I will just say we have been challenged in coordination with the agency of transportation on where does stuff come? Where does it go after it comes off the highway or off route to? And so I know there's a lot of language here about municipalities, but that's a tough one. So given what we see for stormwater and upsizing culverts and stuff, just I'm not sure. Can you briefly say what the agency of transportation's role is for controlling stormwater? It comes off their roads? Richmond's a tough place because it's not an MS4. So V-trans of course has standards and are upsizing culverts as appropriate and I'm sure they're doing good outfall work as well too. I have not read the state hazard mitigation plan in a while. Hopefully there's some coordination in there as well with V-trans. I know Vermont emergency management coordinates with all the state agencies so I'd have to check on the state hazard mitigation plan on that. I really said it's a narrow local issue but it might be worth following up because again in a small town it's particularly obvious and you can actually see places where there's one place where there was a washout next to our elementary school where it came from underneath the interstate. If it were just flowing across the hillside it wouldn't be a problem but when all of it is funneled through these culverts. Yeah I know what you're, I know that place you're talking about because it was actually identified in the Richmond stormwater master plan and I know friends of the Winooski River is working on the design of some of the stormwater treatment there and during the planning process a few years ago was coordinating with V-trans but okay I don't want to flog it too much. No but I can follow up on that with the folks at V-trans so so there's the um any other questions about the plan and and Dan this has been reviewed and approved by VEM and it's also gone through like a municipal review like each of the individual annexes. Yeah they're looking at their individual annexes now but they were involved in drafting them and actually I did notice that some of the municipalities are giving it a good read because they're correcting some of the tech some of the pagination and the boilerplate and things like that so um yeah I do know some of the towns are getting ready to vote on it so but yeah they've they've seen drafts the committee members have over time and yeah just kind of bringing this up because this is a kind of unusual document and it's multi-layered it has uh the state is approving it on behalf of FEMA the towns have annexes we're approving it it's kind of a multi-jurisdictional you know kind of uh combined look at issues but it's got multiple eyes on Chris. Thank you yeah any sense uh Dan for why um Colchester would go alone and maybe Jackie um you know what happened what basically what happened was two years ago when the state got the money they said there's a 25 match that needs to to come from it you can do you want to be part of this multi-jurisdictional plan document or not um the match requirement was the same and all the towns except Colchester said we want to do what we did before why why Colchester chose to do their own I don't know they hired their own separate consultant um I did provide the consultant with the text of the old plan that probably made the her job a little easier um and I don't think it really was catch I do say in my I've noticed that Colchester has a lot of life safety staff you know you've got good coordination and they and I at least you know Colchester administers its own lakeshore permitting program it's one of the few with that delegated authority it's got a strong floodplain management program so I think they probably thought like yeah we should probably do this on our own yeah and and so that's perfectly appropriate I was curious if it was related to more of the water issues and it sounds like it was that they have more local expertise than we might regionally yeah exactly just to add what to what Dan said I you know I think that was part of it but also um I our town manager he loves to pinch pennies and it was was about the match too and I think it came out to be less costly to use our own resources but we do have a really good staff too although we did hire a consultant um she worked closely with with the other staff there thank you I didn't know if it was because helicopters land on your causeways and that that was written into the plan well uh the causeway is a whole other thing I won't even bring that up tonight are there any other questions uh for Dan before we move on to the resolution I will say that going forward this I mean this I I did look at the plan and that there's a lot of detail in there that I wasn't aware of so having a national firm with with very used to tapping into different national databases I think was was helpful in that regard yeah I will admit I skimmed a lot 300 it's a lot of pages there and then not everything sticks so you go to the really important parts and it looks a lot nicer than my dense times new roman from five new five years ago so well if there are no more questions that we need a motion to approve a resolution um supporting the uh 2022 I'll move I'll move for the second of the resolution which will demonstrate the resolve of CCRPC to carry out the actions endorsed in the multi-jurisdictional AHMP all hazards mitigation plan yes very good Chris I see a couple of I see a couple of corrections because I some of this was carried over from old text and I apologize but it should say 2022 at the top and exactly that's 22 but there's like three little places there my apologies for that so we'll fix yeah 2022 thank you was that carrot or bird on the second carrot thank you all right so I think what we'll do is um since I don't have a full screen right now let's um you're gonna stop to share thank you all right uh all those in favor uh raise your hands uh of approving the resolution oh I'm sorry Chris you have your hand oh you made the real hand oh that's very good I'm not used to all these things madam chair you're asking us to raise our real hand or the reaction hand I just whatever works but just throw me off for a minute I have to remember I'm old but it looks like the are there any abstentions or but it looked like everybody raised their hand so the motion the resolution is passed yeah you're right I've worked you know I'm so old school it's terrible um the uh we're going to move the park and ride plan update uh to later the um meeting no I'm sorry the park and ride plan were good the it's the active transportation plan number seven I scratched the wrong one I'm sorry I think because you said number six and you know or something I said seven but apologies I probably heard six I'm sorry okay so we are going to do the park and ride plan update yeah um Marshall are you or yes so I'll I'll kick us off here and then Jonathan will share a brief presentation so yeah so over the past year we've been or let me introduce myself I'm Marshall distal senior transportation planner with CCRPC and um you know over the past year we've been working with RSG on an update to our Chittenden County park and ride plan which was last completed in 2011 and you know that that previous 2011 plan concluded with a you know a lengthy list of prioritized park and ride facilities and um you know our current plan features a much shorter list of recommendations due to uh some changing commuter landscape items which I will let Jonathan uh Slason tell you about in the presentation so Jonathan you can take it away if you have screen sharing ability it appears I do thank you uh nice to see everybody my name is Jonathan Slason a director of planning at RSG and apologies got a little bit of a sore throat going on here uh so as Marshall mentioned we have this project is updating the plan that was most recently updated in 2011 and that's been a sequence of plans over several years we're at the final stages of the report where we have a draft plan that's been under review and we hope to finalize it and probably uh based on your comments today we'll take those on board as we revise the final draft report uh really the outcome as Marshall said is a much more succinct list of activities and the we have a sub-consultant Steven Falble from Steadman Hill who was really helpful in forming us how the transit system is such an integral part of park and rides and how the travel behavior over the last couple years has really changed things and because we don't have a really solid footing for how travel behaviors are going to emerge post-pandemic we are trying to look at an update here that will that will give us the insight says to what type of investments we want to make today what type of monitoring we can put in place so that we can be reactive once travel behavior starts to either revert back to pre-covid norms or continue to to change the plan goals were re-investigated at the beginning of this effort and we became a little bit more focused in those goals and we centered around safety accessibility and efficiency trying to find locations and to identify how we can improve safety accessibility and efficiency of the existing lots we looked at mobility and equity how can park and rides service those who potentially be underserved by existing opportunities to transit or to car pooling opportunities and how can we increase multimodal mobility options that goes hand in hand with environmental sustainability reducing vehicle miles traveled as well as greenhouse gas emissions associate transportation we realize that park and rides are in essence an economy boost is that we're looking to lower the cost of mobility is that allow people to shift into lower cost modes either a car pooling or to a transit option and so that they're able to have more money in their pocket and we'd also be able to build less parking in some of our more expensive locations within chinin county and then we're looking to how can we preserve and modernize our existing assets and infrastructure the study has investigated 14 total facilities 10 of which are within the county and four others outside of the county thanks to chris dubin and his team who's been diligent in collecting data over many many years in terms of the occupancy the number of cars parked in these parking lots but also the physical lots themselves in terms of certain attributes such as information shelters whether it's paved or not all these characteristics have been tracked over time and we have a really rich data set to use and investigate to say how is the current system and what type of improvements would be looking to make or recommend most of the facilities are in satisfactory physical condition about a third are not currently saved by per serve by transit so they're primarily a car pool consolidation point rather than a transit most of the facilities don't have adequate non-motorized access so if you wanted to walk or bike to a to a to a park and ride and then jump on the bus it is a it's a bit of a struggle for most of the facilities richmond case and point pre-pandemic was one of the most busy and highest occupancy parking ride lots and it was a difficult place to access particularly from the residential communities in richmond so it's identified we we realize that richmond's taking efforts underway under separate initiatives to improve the multimodal access to that park and ride so we're trying to be comprehensive in this study to understand what type of efforts are being done at each location each municipality and realize that in an ideal world we'd have a multimodal access to all these facilities maybe i'll call out that in the southwest portion of the county there's a bit of a gap you can see there's the x of 16 and s6 landfill and then you have heinsberg but then there's a missing component of charlotte and shelbert so we'll discuss that in a little bit based on our research of literature review nationally and locally these facility attributes came came up as our minimum recommendations now the state has an has the national electric vehicle infrastructure plan the nevy plan that was published as of august 1st i believe of this year and that gives us guidance on ev charging locations now whether it's a level three dc fast charger or a level two regardless there's an interest in terms of parking rides as being a great long-term facility for charging up those cars that are going to sit all day and we realize that that would be a great attribute to have in these parking rides we realize that there's some sensitivity as to who owns the park and ride lot whether it's in state right of way or not and so there's clearly complexities here but we realize that that's an important attribute secure bike lockers are being an also one we realize that there's testing in richmond i believe uh where they move from winewski but secure bike lockers would be a key component to in improving multimodal demand for these facilities and then wayfinding how can we encourage people who don't typically go to these facilities to find them and then access to their communities as well public wi-fi i believe westford has public wi-fi at the spot but other communities have not invested in a particular public wi-fi access at the bus stop and given the frequency of bus services it's uh it's definitely a public benefit to have awareness as to where the where the bus is so you can track how long it's going to be as you're waiting out in in particularly inclement weather shelters are also part of that weather equation and there's several existing facilities that would benefit from shelters so there's opportunities to make investments in these existing park and ride lots then paving and lighting being additional attributes that have numerous benefits we realize that stormwater and and the like and maintenance varies depending on the level of demand and the cost to get these paved but in terms of striping you can maximize more capacity within the lot if you had striping available to you bicycle pedestrian access already mentioned how important that could be particularly for those more residential communities if you could bike to a location and then catch transit that's a a key benefit for getting those achieving those multimodal mobility targets transit then is needed we realize that today the regional transit services as well as ridership is going in the wrong direction because of the covid pandemic and it's been more or less a recent trend since about 2017 anyway but we clearly need some need to get a handle on trying to get people into into transit service if that's available to us but we realize that there's several locations within the county that don't have the type of transit access that really makes park and ride succeed and then the parking availability is not so much an attribute but it's a characteristic that has been identified in national literature to say you want to have that sweet spot between 40 and 70 so that your asset is utilized but yet it's not it's not utilized to the degree that it's that we don't have space if you were to show up so we want to monitor that data over time and to expand in locations if that occupancy exceeds that 70 percent now we're getting into the proposed facilities this study used previous works that the rpc has conducted over many many years to identify where certain facilities would benefit the community if we look at this list just from start to finish here go quickly through them is that we have the south end multimodal center that's going under a current feasibility study that should be concluded very shortly very soon and that that will give us insight as to how that facility might operate as a intercept or a parking facility close to burlington then we have south burlington us 7 i 80 189 at the root seven intersection at the old k mart now hannahford lot that's one that was put on the books many many years ago and it has some some challenges we'll discuss south burlington at exit 14 many of you might recall a a plan that was done maybe in 2012 that was looking at a scoping study for a pretty significant size parking facility in the location behind the double tree that's still in the in the works or at least it's been identified as a highly desirable location to intercept those that might be traveling off the interstate before they get into the downtown core but also potentially as remote parking for the hospital and the and the university so then there's a location on barns avenue and route 15 in colchester there's a new facility in charlotte the town garage that they're currently looking i think they're going after bids at this point in time on route seven on town owned property the old flea market location i believe that there could be the potential to add some town parking facilities there for a park and ride lot now i realize that the site could be constrained but there could be some opportunities there that should be pursued because charlotte without the train station in use there's not a designated location for a park and ride facility within the town now wilson already has the exit 12 that's under construction however the taff corners location particularly given the density that's being constructed for residential employment all around the finney crossing area and northeast quadrant of the taff corners that location has been investigated and the rpc in the town are currently conducting or will shortly do a feasibility study on that particular location then shelburn is one where there's another opportunity where an existing park and ride facility for the train station in downtown shelburn could lend itself to being a parking facility for other uses and we would recommend that being investigated further uh richmond jonesville there's the idea around the route to cockeron road intersection there's kind of de facto lots today the town's interested in pursuing this further for investigation and how can it be maybe a formal facility at least have multiple uses there maybe not so much commuter but it also could just be recreational consolidation of trips and then lastly colchester at exit 17 v trans has had a scoping study completed for that location as part of the overall inter interchange works and investigation and at this point in time it's proposed that there would be two facilities and rather close proximity around exit 17 so we recommend that that study be investigated further and that there's ongoing conversations with the town and the state as to how the exit 17 location fits into into the mix both in terms of capturing traffic from the islands but also accommodating transit trips now i wanted to kind of bring up a point that was kind of an aha moment as part of this plan is that we've been using park and rides and we've been also using intercept lots now these terminology uh for for those of us that are talking these terms it was familiar but many people are saying what is an intercept lot we understand what a park and ride lot is and there was on the books as of 2011 and before the idea of an intercept lot which was more on the employment side the destination side of the trip and nothing has ever been formalized as an intercept lot and so we said it's kind of a misnomer it's maybe a confusing term and rather let's think about it in this continuum is that we have these intercept facilities and whether we use that term or not but we have this location on the left hand side of the arrow that's typically adjacent to building more dense locations the origin is short distance trips predominantly you hop on transit to maybe make that last mile maybe it's a micro mobility mode a scooter or a bike share if we get those back again but also walking to your job versus on the right hand side of the arrow it's the park and ride side of it and this is closer on the origin side of the trip it's typically closer to your housing and it's typically more consistent with lower density housing but it's also willing that people consolidate trips just by carpooling or they can get on the transit so this continuum gives us a little bit of an insight as to how we might design these future facilities over time and what types of attributes these facilities might require in order to service the type of demand that they would have so i kind of at the opposite ends of the spectrum here we have jonesville which is very very rural relative to then the south end multimodal center at at kind of a more dense location and it just simply gives us a little bit of a different language to talk about the types of characteristics and attributes to view these future lots and how and who they might serve and how they might operate now this work is also been informed by the travel behavior that's ensued over the last few years as i've mentioned what that's reinforced to us is that we need to track behavior on more of an ongoing continual basis and then that will give us the insight to say when is behavior changing we've been monitoring parking demand at the at the park and rides lots the parking occupancy at an inconsistent but a periodic basis basically once a year but it hasn't been the same time at every lot and i realized that's a real challenge depending on timing and staff but it would be our recommendation that we would try to complete occupancy counts at similar times during those years so that we can try to have them work consistent basis to understand how trends are changing at the actual parking facilities themselves now but the parking facilities themselves are more of a downstream effect parking demand is derived by those who are working and living and so we first can identify data that a census typically collects for us to understand how many people are working in chinan county how many people are traveling to chinan county from outside the county how many people are going from outside the county to outside or some in in the county to outside the county so employment and compute commute flows are very very valuable data to start to understand are we seeing some changes in that trends now that's a little bit of a lag it's an annual census data product now versus we could have transit ridership and that could be computed monthly based on gmt ridership data and if the rpc starts to have a dashboard that could say hey transit data transit ridership is up we need to start monitoring our park and ride lots and understand how that transit demand might manifest into some consolidation of trips that's a great resource for us then the actual parking demand more on the destination side of the trip is that the public works department monitors in burlington which is our predominant employment location how many parking spaces are occupied and how much revenue is being generated by both on street and parking garages this will give us a really good sense to say if those garages start getting occupied then people are going to be more likely to take a transit or to take carpooling on the upstream end of things and then lastly remote work and travel modes are annual data that again can be tracked by other type of survey instruments but also census data products so we would recommend that the rpc start to investigate how can we ingest this data and start to develop a dashboard that would be available to all all parties and managed by the rpc now my last slide here and i realize i've been talking a lot but i want to take any questions after this is this is a slide that just simply kind of consolidates a lot of what i've just articulated already is that what is the proposed facility what municipality what type of facility it generally is the number of parking spaces as well as the time frame for some opportunity for some work there are a few that are more opportunistic like shellburn and charlotte if the towns really want to pursue those then let's let's investigate them so we're recommending a feasibility study jonesville is bevy more of a medium term there's not an urgent demand for that facility however it might be nice that i realized route two was being paved to the east i'm not sure what's happening right in that area at this point but maybe there's an opportunity to tie that in then we have more opportunistic and long such as the barn's avenue in route 15 and that's really contingent on whether increased frequency of transit service occurs along route 15 and then at that point it may make sense to invest in type in a parking facility other than that we have implement the actions from the multimodal center feasibility study we recommend conducting an updated scoping study at exit 14 to to continue to pursue that and investigate how that might look as things continue to change around the exit 14 interchange so that's the end of the presentation that i have we covered a lot in terms of where we are going some of our goals uh why we didn't canvas a whole bunch of new facilities just simply the demand hasn't been there for parking ride and at this point we've said there are there are investments that make sense both in terms of physical investments that i've mentioned in the existing facilities and then more of these planning investments that's highlighted on this screen right here and so we'll be publishing a draft final report here shortly and i'd love to take any of your questions and i can stop sharing the screen if that would be helpful i have a i have a correction please do thank you katherine uh you talk about i mean the underhill lot uh that's near dickinson that's actually here great all right thank you don't want to mess those things up right yeah that's an area that we're trying to get developed in a much more dense manner so that it really makes transit more useful thank you for that i see some hands up sorry blending in there i guess barred uh it's what i see on the name i'm sorry i don't know your name yeah barred um so thanks i really appreciate you know for more than ever before this sort of the blurring of what is a park and ride and what is something else um and it's probably most obvious to me because at one end of town sort of we've got the what has been historically a park and ride at our one transit hub and then the whole other end at jonesville is you know could be used for car sharing but one of the interest is to address a recreational parking pressure that's just really funky in that whole area um and maybe it doesn't matter and that's why i appreciate putting them together because putting them on one map is helpful um and i appreciate like what it depends on the lens you use like that is not probably a great commuter lot but there's high demand and pressure to alleviate parking pressure from the neighboring properties so anyway thanks for the work on this i really like the vacuum okay thank you for that chris uh yes jonathan i wondered if you could speak to what i've seen and if it's going to be another 10 years before we have another study of this sort uh certainly this summer has seen a lot of the electric bikes and how are those going to get accommodated in the park and rides uh yeah that's a great comment uh to be honest it hasn't been explicitly discussed before but the secure bike parking is what i mentioned in a previous meeting is being really important there because the value of these things absolutely yeah we really need secure bike parking if that's going to be the the mode which uh e-bikes i forget the national data it was something that the average trip is over five miles and and that's really that it that extends the commuter shed significantly to these lots in a much more accessible way so i think that's what reinforces probably the need for that secure bicycle parking dan dan you you have a question he needs to unmute no can you unmute it but we still can't hear you i don't know maybe you could type your question in the chat or see if you can get a different way to get your double mute double mutes it's always tough yeah well while dan's doing that chris if there was anything of elder observations that you wanted to make about e-bikes either let us know or type it in the chat that be great thank you oh for now uh i understand that too very much um are there anybody else have any other questions while dan's trying to unmute just make a note that um you know the report was linked in the agenda i believe or in your packet and um you know tonight's meeting is just informational and actually i'll be back next month to seek adoption of the plan but in the meantime if you haven't had a chance to take a look at it um please do so and and send along any comments you have you know within the next week or so if possible and i will say that we're that the version that's probably linked did not reflect some of the comments that were obtained from the recent tack meeting uh so it we are changing the report yeah is dan back hear me yes we hear you all right um so to this point of the parking i believe jeff car brought it up maybe a year or two ago the um 289 corridor at uh 117 or river road as some of you may know it um there's an area where 289 comes down there that is large enough to accommodate parking jeff had inquired about that maybe a year to a trial you may remember it that and also at exit 12 the barracks i used to work out of is going to be moving to uh just south of interstate 89 on the hill across from what's called hurricane lane there's a large amount of development going on there wondering if any parking is being included i thought from what i'd heard from some people maybe commuter parking was incorporated into that job i i got interrupted on the first part of your question but i heard a the second part was the exit 12 parking ride that's really uh jonathan the first part um maybe a year or two ago i don't know if you were in attendance at the meeting we were talking about parking and you know parking ride options in the county and jeff car one of the board members brought up the fact that some of the 289 corridor had areas where parking could probably be uh available for commuters especially right at the end of 289 where it comes to 117 gotcha exit 12 yeah well so i think there's an opportunity if if a you know either sx in that case would like to bring up a new lot i think there's opportunities here and we could investigate it from how it kind of fits within the the travel sheds so if that's a if that's a comment that that you want to bring up kind of officially here to say hey look at these if it was that one location or whether jeff was a more expansive are there other locations along the 289 i think i'd be all ears as to what he might have thought and then we could investigate how to how to put that in well okay to that point on the other end rear where 289 comes over to a right by the transfer station for uh solid waste and solid waste there is parking that has been put in there at that end and that is on that that um 289 corridor area right right yep so the other end of it yep all right well i'll see what you can do to um maybe make that comment in there and to see whether it kind of we we went through more or less an informal we have a bunch of data that shows where people live and where they work and try to look at how park and rides intersected those commute patterns and so we can see whether there was an obvious gap for that particular location but i think just anecdotally it it does make sense there's a lot of commuter traffic right through that intersection so the exit 12 location clearly that is the proposed park and ride that's under construction and i forget off hand and maybe Amy or someone else knows exactly how many parking spaces but it's um it's a substantial number 146 spaces is what i have at the exit 12 park and ride that's not what you had on the map though we had on the map was over by by tax corners that's right so we called it existing because it's under construction okay sorry yeah dan just to uh so you're familiar yeah the barracks is moving to the south side of 89 right correct between the barracks and 89 is where the park and ride lot's going to be so both things are happening on that southwest side i just didn't see it on in the the map that he's shown i thought it might show when he showed the stuff down and share a lot potential sites i just didn't see that in a corner yeah it's showing on the existing map even though it's under construction right now dana and sorry just just for clarity too on tap corners i mean the the park and ride facility called out in the study in tap corners refers to the municipally owned lot within maple tree place correct i believe that's right i'm boxwood right okay because they're as a part of the settlement from able to replace back in the 90s the developer allocated a lot to the municipality as a future park and ride sites or transit site just that that's kind of adjacent to the Shaw's parking lot great maybe we can put that detail in there i don't think i have that level of that resolution any other questions or comments before we move on no not seeing any others uh well i thank you very much for the presentation it was uh quite interesting and certainly very helpful um right we're looking for thank you very much having it finalized yes surely thank you everybody thank you thank you and katharine um yep um yeah brine is with us now so he can we can keep the agenda as is apologies for the oh that was my problem all right so we'll move on to the active transportation plan then great thank you good evening everyone nice to see you all again uh we're almost an hour into this if you need to stand up and stretch your legs by all mean please do i have some slides to share with you might take about 15 minutes um again my name is brian davis and i am one of the senior transportation planners and let me find the share button because i am in zoom not teams okay um quick crosswalk of the trip i'm going to take you on today really just to provide an update on the regional active transportation transportation plan update i'm going to focus on the analyses that we did and in your packet i shared the sort of preliminary draft bicycle network and pedestrian network i quickly wanted to show the the committee we've got for this project and highlight the tac members that are serving on this so you do have some representation on board here and they've been very helpful throughout this process um now the ATP is uh incorporated into the metropolitan transportation plan which is underway currently um we update these generally every five years or so beginning in the early 90s uh and you know we're doing the active transportation plan because it helps uh our local municipalities the state our country meet our climate energy goals it promotes physical health um it's cost effective um it provides another way for people to access the the places that they need to go um so it is an important plan for us to do as a part of that long-range transportation plan that there's sort of four four major steps here uh and they align with the major committee meetings that that were had we kicked the project off in march spent the summer doing these analyses which i'll run through came up with the recommendations really recently and then the next step that we'll wrap up in this fall is the prioritization of the recommendations here are the four key analyses that are informing our plan development and i'm going to run through these because they are pretty important to what we're doing here the equity analysis examined racial and other disparities in shitton county through several lenses there's a qualitative review of the historical inequities in the county with a focus on urban renewal highway construction public housing there is an overview of current policies and trends that continue to cause inequities such as police harassment and racial profiling and then a quantitative uh spatial analysis of these eight uh different equity indicators and the memo that accompanied this equity analysis which will be in the final plan offers some key takeaways um uh about the disparities in income transportation access and cost and this this focus on historical context is pretty unique for us um and is a deeper dive than what we have done as a pat in the past uh as an organization so the racial and ethnic minority groups are most concentrated in the more urban communities um the national data shows that in the past decade people of color have led the growth in bicycling nationally and given this trend we should be prioritizing communities with a strong presence of people of color for improved bicycle accommodations high poverty areas are concentrated in and around burlington uh and as well as uh st george which shares a census tract with heinsberg the highest proportion of adults over 64 years old are in south burlington and shelburn as well as the northern part of burlington that's the the darker colors you can see there uh the share of older adults in chitin county has been on the rise growing from about 13 percent of the population in 2013 to 16 percent in 2019 we held a listening session with uh members of AARP vermont and received great insights from them on their experiences walking and biking in the county as older adults households with no vehicles available are mostly concentrated in burlington and news ski and south burlington and there's some areas uh you know outlying towns of colchester essex and shelburn um active transportation access is especially important in communities where low vehicle access is prevalent key takeaways uh chitin county's population grew if you read your ecos report grew 7.5 percent from 2010 to 2020 99 percent of those new residents identify as black indigenous or people of color who now make up 11 percent of the county's population uh there's limited data available for the county related specifically to pedestrian and bicycle traffic stops or violations however it's a common problem in communities across the country collecting data on this would be prudent and we're trying to do more of that at a state level as well we know that active transportation isn't a top priority for many communities decision makers must listen to the residents priorities for better housing education other systemic improvements that may be more urgent and impactful than an active transportation project the key thing here is to really be proactive about relationship building between decision makers and community members so that we can really focus on those projects that are equitable and successful moving on to the next analysis a level of traffic stress helps us identify appropriate bicycle facilities that are comfortable for people of all ages and abilities this we call the LTS value depends on the number of traffic lanes the traffic speeds the traffic volumes whether or not there's a bicycle facility is it protected how wide is it and this map here the the green lines indicate low stress facilities and roadways and the red are higher higher stress routes now that LTS feeds into this bicycle network analysis it's one of those main steps in the b&a which is the bicycle network analysis is a way to measure how effectively people can connect to destinations by bike on those comfortable low stress routes that b&a algorithm evaluates each street and trail to measure how those factors the speeds the volumes bike facility type affects the stress level of riders it looks then looks at all the destinations within the biking distance that's that block to block connectivity and then looks at sort of the destinations where people going where the concentrations of places that people want to get to and so you can see sort of the the colors here the darker ones the black and the purple and the metro area are the ones that are more connected the lighter colored ones are the ones that are less connected based on this analysis so this is a countywide picture we wanted to dive a little bit deeper so we came up with two different scenarios to look at one of those is the route to corridor and another is an equity analysis or environmental justice analysis so the idea here is to take a segment that is high stress makes changes to it that would make it low stress rerun that b&a analysis and see what happens here so for this route to corridor we're looking all the way down Burlington's waterfront out to Taft's corners in Williston and so you sort of see the before and after the before on the left is sort of that just that standard b&a analysis that we did if we made route to a lower stress corridor and we took into account that new walking a biking bridge at exit 14 along as well as some of those other projects that are in the works and you can see the impact that that would have if that corridor work turned into a lower stress route all those areas that are black are within a biking distance for people so it would really make a difference in getting to some of those key destinations the equity scenario we identified areas based on a race poverty levels and commute mode share we selected all of those high stress links in those particular areas ran that b&a analysis again and we wanted to make sure that these are feasible in real world constraints just to make sure that it is something that is attainable you know so not just sort of making things up as we go along but what what are on the books for plans what's affordable what complete towns do so here again is that countywide map that you can see the before and the after the green lines are those routes that if we converted to low stress that are in ej areas the impact again all the black is on a low stress accessible using a low stress network the third analysis is a trip potential analysis it looks at the factors that are likely to lead to higher levels of walking and biking we determined these origin and destination pairs came up with these maximum distances based and this weighting of those particular od pairs to really help figure out what those connections could be and what looking where people are starting from where they would go to what's a reasonable distance that they would take using a walking and biking this sort of shows how this work is done you determine those pairs you draw a straight line you sort of run this calculated index you run over and over using a straight line it's not sort of the specific route that people would take but it's a straight line looking at whether or not those connections exist there's a decay factor that helps us understand how far out from that route people would go and highlights those different destinations so when we do that in our area the red shading the darker red higher density higher trip potential in theirs areas you can see as we get further out in the county that trip potential decreases a little bit we might suspect where that's happening in the county right perlinton metro area and we combine this with the bicycle network analysis to identify better routes for bicycling along those higher trip potential corridors we did a similar analysis for walking your sort of chart on the top here the burlington area because there's so many destinations that are on that pedestrian scale is sort of masked everything else outside in the county so the consultant applied a logarithmic rescaling factor to sort of get at where those other trip potential walking areas could be and so you can see this is still the metro area i'll jump to this slide and you can see that county level look at some of those village centers outside of the metro area where it does have a higher pedestrian trip potential taking that another step you know this is useful to some degree but we chose two different communities to do a more localized effort to see what would happen there so we chose melton and south burlington to look at some particular investments in those communities we chose melton and south burlington because they're two of the fastest growing communities in the state according to census data both are home to populations historically excluded from the planning process and neither hasn't adopted comprehensive walk-by plan although those modes are recognized and supported in other planning documents by local committees so the work is happening but i wanted to call out that they don't have official plans yet ran the trip potential for those origin destination pairs these two maps in particular are the composite scores we do have separate maps for the specific origin destination pairs and there's even within pairs that have a similar variable such as transit it's interesting to see where those hot red pieces move around based on those pairs the final analysis that we did is an unpaved trail analysis so we wanted to see can unpaved trails fill a gap within that active transportation network as sort of a contingency option in maybe constrained conditions where paved routes aren't feasible maybe there are other issues within a railway corridor maybe there are places where people are already walking and biking along areas to connect places that aren't on that traditional transportation network so we did some basic data analysis using the Strava data recognize that not everyone uses Strava it is an app that you can track your walks or your runs or your bike rides but it does give us at least one data set to see what's happening and then we buffer that 200 feet out so it shows some of these pockets these are more trail networks in some of the outlying towns i was hoping for a little bit more connections between towns rather than sort of these localized efforts helpful to see but again based on that Strava data that we used this is what came out so we've got sunny hollow trails in Colchester there's some pockets of activity in Richmond and Hinesburg as well and so those are the four sort of backend data analysis that we did while all that's happening in the background over the summer we were putting ourselves out there to understand the public perception of that we did use some the traditional methods like the online map where we got over 300 comments from that people were sending me emails about things they'd like to see but we also did we hosted listening sessions of particular groups that we wanted to hear their experiences walking and biking we wanted to really understand what they wanted to see in that so that was a really new for us to try it was interesting and it will be great to follow up with them again as we come out with these draft recommendations to say thank you for participating here's what we heard here's how it was used in developing this recommendations what do you think general themes these are probably common to you people wanted to see more connectedness they wanted some safe facilities and overall maintenance of what's already out there today so when we take that public input and when we take the results of those analyses that we did and we look at the plan projects in the tip and the mtp we can come up with this infrastructure countywide network in addition to that there will also be program and policy recommendations which you'll see there and the committees of the consultants working on that now so in your packet you have some information about this draft bicycle network recommendation the blue is the proposed network green our existing facilities there hard to see it's a scale but we can zoom in in a different way and I did want to also share when we overlay that environmental justice network you can see that the the yellow lines really are included in that recommended network so that was valuable work for us to do I mentioned the pedestrian network already I showed the Milton South Burlington composite maps here coming out of that and Sultan is making some specific project recommendations so we did this map for Milton we have one for South Burlington and there's a corresponding chart with specific recommendations for each site whether it's a sidewalk or a path improved crossings and so forth and that's in your packet I believe here's a snapshot of South Burlington so in wrapping up my part of the evening the next steps we're going to finalize these recommendations we're getting the committee back together in October tool design our consultant is going to come up with the prioritization framework and come out with the prioritized list of projects for the regional network and then we'll have a final plan for you coming up pretty soon that will be into adopted into the metropolitan transportation plan so I will stop sharing see your faces again and field any questions that you may have and I appreciate your time tonight thank you Brian for your present that was very interesting and we have a question for yeah I'm sorry to talk so much tonight but I was I've wrestled in Richmond with the difference between transportation and recreation and it's kind of similar to the the parking lot conversation one of the things we've seen especially in the last two or three years is this sort of explosion of recreational biking mountain biking demand for trails and mostly you know my subjective impression a lot of what I see on the road is not people commuting or it's really recreation aren't going somewhere for a job or shopping and then just wrestle with that in terms of I'm not sure it matters but wrestle with that is it transportation recreation I don't know if you have any comments on that I do barred thank you for bringing that up and that was why I wanted to incorporate that um paved trail analysis I was like there's gotta be an opportunity to connect these places so that it's both transportation and recreation and in looking at how other MPOs and organizations have done this I came across the term trails partition so it's using trails as transportation so it doesn't have to be one of the other can be both and are there ways for people instead of driving to trail heads are there safe ways that they can bike or walk from where they live or work or wherever they are to those other networks recreate and then go back home so I'll just say in front of mine for me one of the things that we see in Richmond is people drive their car to Richmond and then ride their bikes back and forth on the road and then get back in their car and drive on for what it's for yeah if we can get that safe network in the metro area to expand all the way out I'm with you I hear you tried the app gap in the gore sometime you want to see people driving and then riding and I'm sure you've seen in different news sources how gravel riding is sort of that new big thing in Vermont where people go drive park and then bike the gravel roads back roads and then come back into town and you know it's bringing in a lot of dollars to local communities the state's offering those outdoor recreation grants to develop that so it is you know people are paying attention to that so there is opportunity and we do have our transportation work here but I am keeping an eye out on what's on the other side of that fence too and is there a way that we can connect those any other comments and questions I don't see any at the moment so thank you very much again I'm looking forward to the next iteration thank you all I'll see you again soon thank you next time the agenda is our committee review and volunteers and since it's an action I was just going to highlight the the ones that have been filled or are still empty but since we have to vote on it I'll read who's on the various committees so that we all know exactly what's happening the we have the we have our outside board member appointments and for agriculture we have Tom Eaton who is with us tonight socio-economic housing that has been filled now Bruce Wilson is the member and Catherine or Deake the caro it is the alternate industrial business is Tom Bacco and the alternate is Alex DeMele conservation environmental because Don Mills has retired Mike Waite has filled the slot as member but there's there's still a son you know need in the community if anybody knows it for an alternate to conservation and environmental for the finance I'm moving on to the standard ones it's the finance committee the that's the vice chair which is Bard and we have also then Chris Shaw and Jeff Carr are the members board development committee actually has one opening yet because we can have the past chair and up to four other board members so we have Michael Bryan from the past chair who's currently will be chair of the board development committee Dan Karen from Essex Junction myself from Jericho Jeff Carr from Shelburne and as I said there's one opening if anybody still wants to get excited about all the different things that the board development committee does Catherine yes I'd be happy to do that one to serve on that one oh thank you Andy yeah you used to be there a long time yes thank you Andy yeah yeah that's a great committee in there a long time all right for the next is the UPWP program which is also quite interesting and it can have three to five board members Chris Shaw will be uh as vice chair of the executive committee will be chair of the unified UPWP committee and then we have John Zirconi from Shelburne Michael Bissonette of Pinesburg Jackie Murphy of Colchester and as I said there's room for one more member anybody gets excited about you know giving away money I mean that's the thing that John always told me he said that it's really that's a fun committee to be on because you get to give away money so think about it if you still got time in your schedules um and we had access money that's right you didn't have access money this year who knows what happens next year you still might have you access with the jobs act and the infrastructure money coming into the state we'll just not have the capacity that's it that's it yeah um the transportation advisory committee is one board member and that's Barbara Elly at Huntington the TAC interest groups they're all filled we have elderly from Bob Hennanberger bike ped is Jonathan Weber rail is Mary and Michael's environmental is Richard Watts and the disabled is Adam Wexler and business is Sam Anderson the planning advisory committee is uh has one as a board one board member and that's Wayne Howe from Jericho the long-range planning committee uh although the work has started it's still continues so there's it can have three to six board members and so there's still an opportunity to join that but currently um it's Max Schindler from Burlington Evie Leithing from Manuski Tracy Delfia Essex Andy Watts Williston Dana Hanley Hanley from Charlotte and so I said still an opening that everybody's interested clean water advisory committee here we need a member because Don Mills has retired and Tom Eaton is the alternative so we do need someone to one board member to be on another board member to be the actual member on the clean water advisory committee so please think long and hard about that and may I encourage you because this is one of those committees that has one of the coolest acronyms the quack yeah that's right you know we gotta sell this that's right the um we need one board member um on the ad hoc brownfield to Isary committee otherwise the committee is Sam Anderson from GIBC GBC excuse me Matt Vaughn from LCBP Samantha Dunn from Burlington CEDO John Rosher Ceddy Manuski Dr. Pablo Bose UVM Sam Arnold CHCB Laurie Stafford USCR Brett Long Vermont Vermont Department of Economic Development ex officio Sarah Palmer Bartlett Vermont DEC ex officio Christian mailing EPA ex officio and then our board member so we need a board member here as well Chris is doing multiple jobs ad hoc ad have all hazards mitigation plan update committee that's Chris Shaw from Burlington from South Burlington excuse me and then we have our equity advisory committee which currently is Michael Brian Manuski Jackie Murphy Colchester Elaine Haney Essex Junction and Charlie Baker Emma Vaughn and Brian Davis's staff and the community members will be are to be determined after the meetings that are being held right now with the participation so given that think about the openings but otherwise we need a vote to approve these members now committee members I'll move this is Garrett thank you thank you both all those in favor hi we can raise our hands this time and I won't get confused about questions any any abstentions all those the motion then passes and thank you very much everyone for serving on these committees and as a reminder for people who might read the minutes and self alternates are welcome to join committees if there's any interest for an alternate to be fill in one of the MP slots uh next we have before you move on I just want to add that this was an opportunity when I first came on the board for me to volunteer and get on these committees so I'm going to encourage any of our new members to take a close look at some of these openings and see if there was anything that tickles your interest because this is a great way to get engaged and participate thank you well not only is it oh I'm frozen oh well uh and not only is it a good way to get engaged but it's a good way to know meet all your other you know board members because I've been on the board with development committee since it was started and you really get to know other members of the board much more you know chat about and particularly if you're the officer changing laws or thinking these programs that we're putting on to engage people and to know what you know or the guys and things like that so it really is an opportunity that's that's the point so thank you for the uh to vote um so moving on we're going to talk about the advisory update uh who's going to talk about that one yeah I'll I'll at least start off um yeah anybody else who was in attendance wants to jump in but um in the board packet um I guess rather than me talk to you for 10 minutes we have the summary of what came out of the September 10th workshop um and we really got great attendance from the community uh 24 folks with diverse experiences and backgrounds came um that Saturday morning um and you can kind of go through that we talked about what are characteristics of effective groups um you can see that on one page there and then what should be the role of the equity committee uh engagement uh supporting the staff person the equity manager uh providing accountability identify opportunities for action um and you can dig into smalls uh or uh more detail with some of the notes there and then next steps um we talked about the hiring process which is in process I'll report a little bit more on that under my report um developing an equity statement uh kind of uh firming up the membership and uh a meeting time for the committee um and then also invited them with the couple training sessions that we've told you about previously are coming up in September October also invited um those community members that were interested in this to participate in those trainings with us um and and at the end of that uh you see uh all the attendees so I don't know if there's any questions or if people want to um provide any uh feedback those that were there or those that weren't because one thing I'll say is um even though it was two and a half hours it was never enough time so uh so lots of work and uh lots to be done here so uh uh without any other questions um at the moment we'll move on to the regional plan schedule update okay and I'm sorry you guys are getting a heavy dose of me here at the end of the meeting that makes it that much sweeter when you leave right now um but um so uh you know Regina departed about a month ago now um uh since I promoted uh Taylor but we've been kind of digging into what we need to um finish the plans the regional plan the metropolitan transportation plan the comprehensive economic development strategy um and we were starting to really I guess I'll just use the phrase stress ourselves out a ton so I'll just and there were issues uh I kind of not all the issues but a good number of them I bolted out here um just not having enough time to address equity in the way we should um there's a transportation equity framework coming out from v-trans um we don't have all the energy analysis that the department of public services promising us in the next few months um so we're really just feeling very squeezed by our schedule to try to get this done in for the spring time um and so we're proposing more of a staggered schedule instead of trying to get everything done and approved all at once uh kind of stagger it so that we look at the SEDS first which is um definitely had the most work and engagement done out there already um so bring the SEDS to you probably in early 23 February March uh bring the MTP to you later in the spring after doing more engagement early in the calendar year um and then kind of spend the last half of the calendar year reviewing and updating the the broad regional plan document uh so that by June 24 we're again pull everything together um and fully adopt an updated regional plan um so this is kind of a draft proposed schedule um presenting to you um for any feedback any concerns I hate taking longer than we need to to do some of this planning work um but it really feels like kind of the right thing to do from the staff perspective but certainly appreciate any different perspectives or thoughts that you might have or I can take silence as this sounds okay all right Chris all right I got a couple I got a couple okay signs and a thumbs up all right thumbs up absolutely I mean it makes a lot of sense we do people there's a huge amount of work to be done that you don't want to over yeah and really we were feeling like we were rushing which is always a recipe for tripping and falling so um that would slow it down a little bit and and do it at least better if not right yeah exactly okay good do we roll into then the um uh chair and executive directors updates yeah sure do you want to go first yeah the I only have a little heads up in October um I haven't told Chris yet but Chris is going to be chair for both the executive committee and the and the regular meeting as I'm going to be out of out of country during that time so okay a long delayed trip because you know but finally get to do it enjoy yourself when you get out there um so in terms of updates for me I just mentioned a couple staffing updates but um so I think you're all aware uh Regina left to become the new city manager in Essex Junction Dan I will talk to you you know maybe in six or 12 months I'll talk to you but that's uh you know I appreciate you being on the board um and um so uh we did uh advertise an interview for her position and have promoted uh Taylor Newton to planning manager so thank you Taylor for taking that on I appreciate that and he's already digging in um but um yeah between the two of us I think we're kind of doing three people's jobs right now still um and so we have an advertisement out to replace Taylor now uh for a planner position that we are going to start interviews on next week and I think we've got a good crop of candidates I think we will have um you know maybe not as good as Taylor but somebody to replace him that you know he'll train to be better than him so and then um the equity manager we've kind of touched on that a couple times um you know we advertised for that earlier in August um got a decent crop of candidates you know never as many as I would have hoped uh we're interviewing uh the last two or three right now um I think the the the last person we're interviewing is on Monday and hopefully we're able to you know figure out next steps um we might need a second round interview um but we'll I won't know that until Monday but that's in process um I really hope that by your next meeting uh there's if not someone on board at least somebody who's on their way to start before too long here um and then there's a third opening um and you know I've been here almost 15 years I've never had three openings before uh but we have a third opening in our business office uh and that's um also we are not getting not doing as well and getting applicants there if you know somebody who's just you know might be interested in working in our business office uh and keep in track of the dollars and grant requirements um Forrest and Amy would really appreciate that um we have a few applicants and you know we'll start interviews you know in a week or two but um if you know anybody you know you know maybe maybe even out of high school with just an interest you know in you know if they can balance their checkbook sorry Forrest am I making a sound bad I don't mean but um if they have an interest in numbers you know we don't need um they don't need a master's degree or anything like that I'll put it that way um so uh that's the staffing update any questions on that before I move on to the next topic yes in case you're wondering what I'm doing with my time that's a bunch of it um the clean water service provider we touched on that earlier um we have just uh signed the contract with DEC to become the clean water service provider um they're providing some front end money and so we'll be uh working with groups in the the direct to lake basin if uh you may recall that uh we just took we're taking on responsibility for a small portion of chidney county other rpcs have responsibility for the winewski watershed and the lamoille watershed so we have kind of charlotte to milton um including grand isle and a little bit into franklin county the direct to lake um watershed that we're uh dan is managing that thank you dan if you're still here um and then um a couple uh just um heads up for you uh one is i just sent out an email today to all of your town managers or administrators to get on the select board or city council agenda to present our annual report and touch base with your select board um so uh don't be surprised if you get an appointment from me i will try to send you an appointment whenever that meeting is whenever we're going to be on that your your community's board uh so heads up there and the final heads up is just to start you thinking about legislative breakfast priorities um so the next couple meetings will have agenda topics to talk about priorities for the next legislative session and what we want to talk to our legislators about in early december um so that's all i've got and happy to take any questions if there are any any questions or anything no thank you all thank you charlie uh well given that the next item on the agenda is committee and liason activities reports and as usual they're either in your packet or uh digitally available on site on the site depending on your choice of um how you like to receive them and having said that um uh it says adjournment is next i'll move we adjourn i can all of them say hi it's hard not to say hi it's hard not to say hi hi good night everyone have a good night