 We're at the DEF CON 30 Memorial Room. Now, we were hesitant to even shoot this, but then as we talk to the organizers, I think it makes sense we should be here. The Memorial Room came after Dan Kaminsky passed away. And it was interesting when that happened because most people didn't hear about it until coming to CON. CON has grown, it's 30 years old and it's grown every single year and people meet friends here. And you see those friends once a year and oftentimes you come to CON and it can ruin your whole CON experience when you hit here and find out someone you liked, loved, passed away. And this is a room that was set up for DEF CON to come and either write in a memorial book, come find a rock, put their name on it, share stories about those individuals, or even have wristbands sharing the name and dropping them here so someone else can, you know, participate, experience maybe their name or look them up, see their name, go look up what they experienced at DEF CON. I wanna sit down here, I wanna hear more about it. There was even another station over here where you could send your phones to your favorite pictures of these people, send me an email and then print them off and tape them around the room. I love this. I absolutely love this concept of this. Thank you for like taking the time to sit down with us and letting us do this video because I think this is an important aspect to DEF CON especially as it's gotten 30 years is a long time. I mean, it's interesting, even the progression of CON as we've gotten older, we've had kids and now DEF CON for kids is starting more and more and but as we all get older, things like these real things we have to start dealing with. Can you tell me about like, wow, you started this, it started, I believe last year? Well, it really started with Dan Kamensky's online virtual funeral that had so many people and he had such an effect. And I cry way easy. And Darktanion realized out of our community acknowledging and supporting and honoring people for their lives and doing it because of their passing is something missing from our community. And for him, DEF CON is so about community. And so this started a conversation after that time and I've worked with Jeff on DEF CON and Black Hat since DEF CON 7. And he knows a lot about my background which is not at all hacker. Very oddly, much more energy work but I do it here. And so as this came up, I sent him a note and reminded him of the background I have which is a lot of time dealing with DEF and dying in people who are in grief. And so this came about. It's our second year. Last year was great. It was small but DEF CON was small last year. So it was all perfect. Yeah, it was really intimate. Yeah. And so we came back this year and I'm hoping we expanded it so we have a way throughout the year for people to connect. I have to see with Jeff if we can get some space on the website or whatever, whatever would make sense. And that we have a little more of the beauty of DEF CON next year. We have a wonderful glass. Can you hold hand me? This was one of the items sold at DEF CON because she was part of the branding. And I think 24, DEF CON 24. And to me, she kind of looks like, I don't know, hacker Madonna. So, yeah, I think it's a great idea to have so I brought it this year and we have our little appropriate hotel LED calendar candles. So we're here and people drop in and it's amazing. I think what's so interesting and something you said is like having a spot on the website to hear from the community and have a place to celebrate these people have come to DEF CON and poured their lives into it to connect with so many other people having a place for that because I do think it's hard when you come back year after year, I might not happen to me one time as I came to DEF CON, you come excited to see friends and then you see one and then you see another and then the one you're expecting to see is gone. You didn't hear about it because you have these DEF CON friends. You have friends you hang out with all the time and then you have other ones you see once a year. So I love this space, especially it's a time where you come and reflect and think about those hackers who aren't with us anymore and especially with the chaos like right outside the door, running villages. It is DEF CON over there. It's good to take time to step away almost even like turn your phone off and just time to just spend. And I think that is a piece of it. So if you come here and discover something has occurred, someone is gone, it's hard in the chaos of DEF CON which is brilliant and wonderful and creative, but it's a hard energy to kind of be in and be present while you're trying to adjust to what you've just found out. So knowing over the years that there is a space in DEF CON where you can go and process it, let it go. I mean, DEF CON is and has been since the beginning aware of the fact that we all have human frailties. I mean, we have a 12 step meeting here. And have four as long as I recall. And again, for me, it's just as a community, if we lived as a community, if we were that tribe, when someone got sick and then if they passed, everyone is there and they're there to support that person's family. And we have some things from friends of Tuna who passed in 2019 and they actually came and he didn't make it to DEF CON that year because he passed away during DEF CON at home. And they held his memorial here in Flamingo. And I don't think we understand yet quite the intensity of the connection. In a sense, we do, but I don't think we fully get it because we haven't yet brought it into the bigger DEF CON. Well, it's interesting to me. We did another video on the channel which was what was your best tip for DEF CON? And it was funny because it wasn't go hack away at something. And again, some of them were like, go learn something. But all of those had this interesting underplay to it. It was this interesting undernote to it. It was go play a challenge to meet other people. Go explore a village to meet other people. Go find your passion, find your tribe was what you said. Find and as one of the people on our channel says is find your hacker family at DEF CON. But no matter what the tip was, it was always people were the underlying one. And it's interesting to me that 30 years is the time where we go, that is not a insignificant amount of time to grow these relationships which are fueled by that passion and have a place to be able to share that with others. I really do thank you. Thank you for taking the time and actually considering this village and growing it. I am, it's a weird thing to say I'm excited about this but I think it draws us to that core of what DEF CON is. There is the challenges, there is the technical things but at the core of it, it is the people. When I first, excuse me, when Jeff first brought me to see DEF CON and I was slightly terrified because I only knew about hackers from the local news which is not exactly what is. And I had just come out of doing five days in the desert doing a shamanic training with people just part of my other world. And I first ran into some young kids talking to this elder gentleman and wanting to know, asking for information, tell me about this, tell me about that. Lo and behold, he's an upper level person at MSA and they're trying to gather all this information from someone who could be their grandfather which in my world is missing in our world. We don't turn to elders. And then I ran into this young man who had come in from London, never been here before and he had this goal of pulling together hackers who would then work together to shut down websites that were promoting children for sale. And his idea is the governments can't do this because those countries, it's not an issue. Hackers could maybe knock enough down on the regular basis to at least slow their business down. And seeing those two aspects of community, I had friends going, you did what with, what? You were with, I was like, it's one of the most amazing communities I've ever seen and it was baby at that time. And watching it grow, it's astounding. And I'm still here, I've shifted out of what I did to what I'm doing and then over to this because this community is growing and deserves to be offered such things because it's important for their own sense of community and being who they are. Thank you, that's all I can say. Thank you. Well, thank you. I hope this is one of those places that you as a viewer comes and experiences, especially like if you've been coming to Gefcon for a long time, this is definitely a place that it's an experience, it's hard to put into words. Thanks for watching.