 and I think you know to to to call out authority and speak your truth and fight the system when you've got nothing to lose is relatively easy really anyone can do that because what's the worst that can happen and I think the real courage is those that have got something to lose but still do it anyway and still fight anyway and obviously like I said I'm not sure who you're referring to in terms of that podcast but that they've looked at it and gone yeah but I've got all these subscribers and I've got this lifestyle now that I like and I've got this endorsement with X, Y and Z so I'll shut up whereas the real courage is those that go well I'll lose the endorsement then well I'll lose this then I'll lose that then because the truth is more important I'm good thanks mate how are you thanks for having me Gareth I'm all the more better for listening to your podcast with my good friend Rich Willett WTAF for people that are listening what the actual I'm not going to swear in the first five minutes of a YouTube podcast because it gets you demonetised but I think everyone knows what I was going to say um what a breath of fresh air well that was that was sort of the idea really um we were filming The Walk um a series for Iconic up here in Derbyshire and so um Rich stayed at my house and so that night we'd sort of you know I don't know how many miles I've done that day 20 odd miles or whatever so my legs were aching I sat there we had a beer ordered some takeaway food and he was just like do you want to just do a podcast or something for a laugh just like a facebook live or something you know while we're here and um so I was like yeah right and so we just chatted for like an hour and a half and it went down really really well actually because it was just two blokes just sort of trying to navigate their way through this sort of clown land um and trying to almost just put a humorous spin on it because I think that's a very English a very British thing is to if it's dreadful just laugh just laugh you know where this how we get through stuff you know I'll crash Macaulay yesterday yeah it was hilarious isn't it because if you don't laugh you'll cry and so we just kind of thought we just almost just laugh at stuff and try and flip it you know that kind of thing where they've got the power we haven't um and actually in the end if you're it's like that scene from Fight Club where Tyler Durden's getting the hell beating out of him on the floor by the owner of the of the building and he's just laughing and in the end the owner gives up just says you're mad just have it um and it's a bit like that really that we just kind of flip flip it you know they're they're not all powerful they're ridiculous which is why we're laughing now I'll tell you why I love it mate amongst many reasons other than the fact I think you're an absolute legend and and and that goes for your dad as well um is I started this do my chronology from 18 so when you're 18 you listen to radio one don't you and you you you think you're cool and then when you get in your 20s or mid you you realize radio one's a bit shit and it's it's presented by pricks so you go to radio two and that's like hey it's some old um some old celebrity presenting now and they they talk a slightly left of left of center or right of what whatever the case might be and then you realize that shit and then you go to radio four and you're like yes I found my place in life there's there's comedy shows there's this and then of course you get to where we're at where you become a bit enlightened and you you just see through it all and you see the brainwashing in it all and the bias and the indoctrination and the stifled voices and the complete lack of any sort of critical debate on all the things that are important to us and our families and so you're like fuck I can't even listen to radio four now no no so there was there was a bit of a dearth or a gap in my life where what what can you do and then of course podcasting came around and it's it's rescued my entertainment and listening to you and rich chat it's like a lad's show for the enlightened yeah I know what you mean I know what you mean I'm the same like I I did away with radio and so if I'm driving I'd have talk sport on because yeah it's you know it's it's football or whatever so it's not exactly enlightening but it's also not you know I'm not being brainwashed it's just they're talking about football and um but even that's turned now that's political now um so I kind of I'm yeah I drive in silence now I mean there was something the other center rich have a day like they were given all the give the red card which was amusing me because it's like linking it's football um but the other day I was driving and I I just turned it on so I'll give it a listen you know see what they're talking about and it was what was it oh god what was their terminology it's gonna it was something like the lockdown station for the no that was it the isolation station for the lockdown nation I think what does that mean what's that just tell me what the score was god's sake so I agree with you yeah podcasting is the is the savior really and then there's all this taking the knee stuff isn't it oh mate when does that end when does that end I'm a bit dodgy on this ground because probably like yourself I don't watch mainstream media I just refuse to I think there's two programs I might watch one of which is just turned a bit shit now they sacked and and Middleton for for daring to like have a voice outside of the narrative that is um that was the SES who dares wins programs who who who I love the kind of psychological aspect to these programs it's not the that I like channel for or whatever um and so yeah I'm I'm not like down with the kids when it comes to things like BLM but I kind of get it um you know I get the the the the influence behind movements like this I think you've only got to read a read a few books in your life and you'll understand what's going on it's not it's not rocket science folks um and so yeah this what is it the football is taking a knee because Black Lives Matter have I got that right yeah I'm I'll be honest unfortunately I'm yet to meet anyone that doesn't think they matter but the thing with BLM and you always have to specify that when you're talking about Black Lives Matter you're talking about the organization um BLM a lot of people have a problem with Black Lives Mattering I hope to think hardly anyone I mean there's always going to be a few idiots but hopefully no one has a problem with that um but what you have with the players taking a knee is that it can't end now because who's going to be the first one to not do it you're going to be destroyed you're going to be vilified so they had a vote here um where they sort of you know asked all the players and all the players said no they want to keep doing it so yeah of course they did because imagine the ones that go I don't want to do it anymore and so a few Black players have come out um I I support Derby County and we've got one lad who doesn't take a knee he stands up and there's a guy at Knottland Forest as well obviously the big rivals of ours but he's the same he's outspoken because he doesn't agree with the politics of BLM um and so he doesn't take a knee but all the other lads around him do so I I don't know when it ends to be honest it's it's it's one of those things no one wants to no one wants to be the one to go I'm not doing it and then get the absolute barrage of of woke twitter yeah well I do because when again if you've anyone that's read 1984 knows about the two minutes of hate where the population have become so fractured and indoctrinated and scared that they go outside and they have to hate hate the the uh enemies for two minutes and it's ah it's literally like this if people are wondering what have I gone mad and of course it just it sounds like Good Morning Britain that does that's all that sounds like what it sounds like Gareth is the bloody two-minute clap isn't it oh mate don't and don't get me started on that understanding on one or the going down on one knee it's these public um displays of of meaningless virtue signaling fucking nonsense that that obviously not just detract from the real issues but but you know they're not helpful they're not helpful are they no they don't do anything that's the thing I have that when I look at BLM for instance for as an organization if you look at who funds them ask the question why are they funding them because the people that fund them aren't nice people they're not virtuous people are coca-cola you know they're not nice people that are funneling money into them so why are they doing it you know and that's a you know a rabbit hole that people will either want to or not want to get into but the same with the with the clapping for the NHS for me that was like in hindsight it was almost like that was to create and and a very real thing in people's lives of this massive problem that we had in this country because on the face of it in the street you weren't seeing anything if you turn the news off it didn't exist anymore and I still stand by that now if you hadn't had a tv for the last 12 months you wouldn't know anything was happening because it's it's not hitting people in the way like they compare it to the blitz and it's like no I think if the blitz was happening I'd know a bomb was landing but so it was almost like the clap for carers thing was a way of just bringing that out of our why is everyone clapping oh that's why and it's kind of just making sure that it's just prodding people going look there's a big problem staying your house staying your house staying your house but people got sick of it like we had neighbors across the road proper pots and pans job they were like just smashing pots and pans not happy with clapping and the lady was always craning her neck as well to see who else was out so she could you know judge them if they weren't which is I've dreaded to think what she must have been saying about us because we weren't out but um but even on the second one when they tried to bring down bring bring back the clap for carers even she didn't come out so I think people are sick of it you know to be honest although one good thing about it the first time it happened I forgot that it was even happening and I didn't care anyway but I was walking out the house at that particular sort of couple of minutes and because it was like during sort of the start of the summer my my little and walked out she's only two and she thought everyone was clapping for her and that still makes me laugh so I was stood in my doorway and she was in our little front porch area just like looking around smiling like yeah yeah everyone's clapping for me no they're not but they may as well be yeah it must be um tough for all those NHS workers that have come off a late shift or a night shift and they're they're on the way around their drug dealers house to get a rock a crack and suddenly everyone starts it's like fuck off I've won some private life exactly yeah how about a pay rise now we'll just clap for you all right cheers that'll help I was out there booing but I got told I wasn't allowed to do that really really I just made a point of not even doing it not even going out but I would occasionally sort of curtain twitch just to see the pots and pans lady crane in her neck because it was making me laugh although I did come up with the idea because I was doing these 10k's throughout the first lockdown and I was saying to be rather than donate money to staff I'd say what I'll do let's have a little bit of of kind of self responsibility which no one has anymore everyone you know or you'd be responsible for me but I thought I'll be responsible so what I'm responsible for is I'm going to do seven 10k's in seven days and your responsibility is that you're going to go next time you go shopping you're going to chuck some food in the food bank that you have kind of at the front of most of these supermarkets so I'm not going to ask you for the money so I can go out and spend it on the food bank I'm going to trust you to take responsibility that you're going to do it and so we did that anyway and so for one of the later runs like my legs were aching and so what I was trying to do was if I did one in the morning you know then the next day I'd probably do it in the afternoon so I'd buy myself like a day and a half recovery or whatever and then I decided I was like do you know what I'm going to do because I was doing them around about 55 minutes I was like I'm going to go out about five past eight sorry five past seven in the evening right and I'm going to try and time it so that when I come back down my street I come back down the street at the point everyone stood out clapping so it'd be like okay and I had this idea of just running down the street with my arms out like that like I was on the finishing straight and that really chuckled me for a while to do that yeah wind them up why not a thing that I think is well Gareth I don't know if you've had any thoughts on this but like as I as I mentioned other than those two programs I don't watch mainstream media and I noticed that all these rules you know regular they're not laws are they they're just like they're just sort of made up regulations that were all expected to follow and yet they only come through the mainstream media channels so basically BBC News and Channel 4 News and ITV right nothing's actually come through my door on like a a proper legal basis to say right Mr Thrill you are subject to these conditions you need to follow you know these rules for the welfare and nothing that so my question is actually a really good point that's that really good point I've never thought about that well I don't watch mainstream media gas so when I go in the shop and someone goes where's your mask I'm like what are you on about oh you've got to wear it because of this thing and I'm like what thing I saw on the news I don't watch the news I go on the internet right of course I'm I'm being a bit facetious if that's the right word or um but it just does make me think what so is the BBC now telling us how to live our lives how how does that work because they don't like me and they certainly don't like my family what what why would I follow what what why would I follow what they say well that's it but they're they're just a propaganda army government aren't they BBC and then you know Sky News they're all they're all the same really but it's actually a really good point you know if you don't have a a tv and you don't watch tv I mean I don't watch live tv I might watch something like a like a documentary or a film that's on sort of Netflix or now tv or whatever but I don't I don't watch telly I don't I don't watch mainstream media I'm like q I see little bits and bobs online but I don't I don't actively watch it so if you're an older person that just says you know I just like reading books I don't watch tv then you wouldn't even know about this and again that comes back to the fact that when they compare it or this is the biggest challenge since world war two but you knew world war two was going on even if you didn't have a telly or a wireless or anything you would still go shit what's that what Coventry's on fire oh man you'd know about it whereas if you didn't have them if you don't have the media now you you honestly wouldn't know like I live in a village a couple of thousand people no you wouldn't know you wouldn't know yes gareth you're you're remarkably well balanced if I may say so considering the the the shit you must have gone through going growing up um is that something you've had to work on by that folks I'm I'm I'm referring to David going through the public humiliation and and just the the worst side of not just human nature but British British thuggish culture as it can be um was how how did you get your head around that if and again I you don't have to answer anything you don't want to it's no no I be honest I went there to come back so um in my school years I was a bit you know a bit sort of off the rails or whatever and and got expelled and things like that and then um when I became into my late teens I was in punk bands and so I lived in a tour bus for like five years basically and just drank and woke up on benches in places and then I started playing beach soccer um I got basically I was in the pub obviously and I had played football back in the day I played over at ports for football club when I was living on the Isle of Wight and so there was a beach soccer tournament that was taking place the next day and these lads are gone yeah mate you used to play in golden yeah and I was like yeah I'm freaking a million years ago why and they said um well we need a goalie for this game tomorrow and I was like okay yeah fine I'll do it I'd add enough beers to agree to it anyway next day totally forgot that I'd agree to it and my sister phoned me was like you supposed to be playing beach soccer today aren't you because we're gonna come down I was like you are and um and so anyway I went and I turned out and I played this match I never played beach soccer before um and had a bit of a worldie really and then um ended up playing for this team a few times and it was a bit of a laugh and then I got a phone call probably about a month later saying um can can you be in Marseille like when can you be in Marseille so my response was obviously like well who's paying and I'll decide if I'm being Marseille or not why and basically what happened is the England squad were they're playing World Cup qualifiers and someone had knocked over a coffee machine in the foyer of this hotel and it basically severed the well all but severed the big toe of the substitute goalie right just toes hanging off so they didn't have a goalie enough that they've obviously phoned around all these other goalies that play in this league and you know I can't get out of work that short notice can't do this can't do that so it's come to me and obviously at that time I was playing in band so I could kind of do what I wanted when I wanted really so I agreed and I flew out to Marseille sat on the bench against France didn't get a kick didn't expect to as I was just there for the sunshine sort of sat there and then the next game was against Greece and the goalie who was first choice goalie had suffered with Vertigo I mean there must have been the most blimmin injury prone team in the world anyway he suffered from Vertigo so he played the first period so it's nil nil there's three periods of 20 minutes in B soccer he's um he's not right when he comes off the first period he's like so they obviously the manager's turned to me it's like you're gonna have to go in and obviously my arse is falling out I was like I've just you know it's live on Euro sport I'm just here for a laugh and I went in anyway I saved a penalty and we won four nil and um and then that was it and so when I came back from France after that they were starting to prepare for this tour of South Africa which was in about five months and so I just thought do you know what Shawshank redemption get busy live and get busy dying do you know what I'm going to do I'm going to get me it down and I'm going to make sure I go to South Africa and so I did and that sort of saved me a bit because it got me off the booze it got me fit I mean not that I was an alcoholic but I was you know drinking too much but it got me fit and gave me a bit of focus and then I went to South Africa and played out there and then I ended up in playing in Israel and Azerbaijan and Norway and all these like random countries that you'd never normally go to um and that sort of focused me a bit and then that was that and then um yeah that's me basically but I but I became grounded as a result of losing the plot basically rather than just being able to deal with everything you know how well were you Gareth when your dad was on on wogan I know he's on there twice um eight maybe eight o'clock eight o'clock um eight years old I'm trying to think the second one the second one was years later wasn't it um yeah they were both fucking fiasco so weren't they yeah they were yeah yeah it was fun it was weird though because like I went from him being like whenever you went around places obviously these days before camera phones and whatever but whenever you went out people would stop him in the street and they'd want an autograph the one shake his hand or whatever and it went from that to people shouting at him in the street and laughing and pointing in as a kid in in the space of about 25 minutes so it was very odd I must admit as a kid it was just like why is everyone being a dick um so that was strange yeah but then but what it also is one of those things you know when people say I don't care what people think yeah you do yeah you do um but what it did is it I don't think I'd have ever got onto a stage as a musician I don't think I'd have ever probably gone out and played beach soccer all over the world and done all these things almost fearlessly if if I hadn't have had all that shit really so and it's the same now like I'll say what I want if I believe something to be true I'll say it and obviously you get loads of shit back for it and I just sort of just laugh and I'd end up getting messages quite a lot of people that I used to go to school with and whatever they're just like mate I wish I could say the stuff you say because I think it as well but I'll just get you know mother-in-law or employer or guys across the road or whatever so I don't bother saying it whereas I'm just like well I've been battered so much with it that I'll say what I want thanks it's quite liberating to be honest yes and well we've all been through it to I mean well anyone that's in life and see seems to have gone through some shit in their life you know that we were asking the question the other day how come how come there's those of us that we can just see what's going on we understand it it's just so obvious and other people it's almost like how can I share the same planet with you we literally you literally live in a matrix and I don't I'm not saying I'm perfect or anything but I don't live in that world when I see the BBC news like the fear banner go it's like fear be careful watch it but don't you know don't let this kind of affect you in any way and then of course you've got matey next door they believe it's all true and they literally do not know any difference and yeah it is strange if I hear be safe one more time as well you know even if you just go to the shop just be safe yeah I don't want to be safe want to be alive there's difference yeah I want to be dead believe it or not I don't mean that suicidally I mean if it's my time it's in fucking time with hopefully it won't be too soon but you know there's a reason that how humanity has evolved over millions of year well billions of years if you go back to the swamp and there's a reason why certain people will die at a specific time it's for the greater benefit of the species isn't it it's um so the notion that like I might die well what's the worst can happen well I'm carbon molecules so I can't go anywhere can I I'm just going to reform as another part of this beautiful universe and and sadly whether I like it or not whether anyone likes it we're here to eternity we can't actually you know we I think I think your dad speaks really well on this and I think he I think Bill Hicks also said a similar thing this that we're carbon molecules vibrating at a certain frequency and with the universe experiencing itself in in these forms so you're me I'm you and we're actually also a rock yeah no you're right it is quite strange to me actually that the only thing the only certainty in a world of uncertainty is death it's yeah it's the one thing that no one can accept it I mean I accept it I'll go when it's my time to go and I'm I'm fine with that the idea of you know leaving my kids you know at a very young age is sad and I don't want that to happen but then at the same time the idea of me living forever ever sounds like bloody torture to be honest I'll you know I'll go when I'm meant to go and I'll go and explore the rest of whatever there is to explore for sure you know I must admit like you said you're totally right as well you're saying like hey you kind of step out of this matrix and you're looking at people and who are who are just not seeing stuff and I do find it strange like so early early doors like you'd have these theories or these conspiracies or these things but people just don't want to accept them and they can't see them and I could almost accept that in a certain way because it's okay yeah you're not ready yet that's that's fine you're not ready yet you're not ready to see that yet with this kind of stuff that's going on now like I did an interview ages ago with a guy called Sterling Simpson who's a lung specialist and he was saying that the government always tells you they always tell you it's just they know you're too stupid too blind too ignorant too lazy to see it so even even when it comes to to carcinogenic stuff in food they don't sneak it into food they put it on the label the fact that that big long word there you've you could just put that into google and it and you could find out whether it's dangerous or not you just don't bother you just get it down your neck and it's the same with all of this stuff so you've got obviously Fauci said the stuff about the PCR test the fact that above 35 cycles it's a scam yet the NHS is telling you it's using 45 cycles so they're telling you these things but they know that you know people aren't going to do anything about it and that's what I find strange is that you present facts to people and and you use their data so you use government data so like today I've shared a couple of things from the UK government website where they've done reports one is is on Pfizer and it's from the 9th of December to the 14th of February and one is for AstraZeneca and it's from the 4th of January to the 14th of February and these are the adverse effects now this is on the government website so this isn't like you know John across the road has been doing some research and he's put it in a PowerPoint so on the government website right there and it's telling you all the adverse reactions and deaths and so Pfizer's 52 pages 52 pages of adverse reactions about 77,000 different adverse reactions and 197 deaths right in that short period of time AstraZeneca is 111,000 adverse reactions 205 deaths in that short period of time now you show those facts to people that's on the government website look at that and they're telling you you can't go to the pub unless you have that that's madness in it of anti-vaxxer sick and tired people anti-vaxxers they're putting people's life at risk and you just like I don't know what to tell you mate it's there it's on it's it's their own figures but but people don't want to see it and that is very frustrating I have to say that is like banging me head on this yeah gosh we probably can't say there's nothing more to say on this because you either see it or you don't I've got people like on my Instagram posting the little certificate that they give you as if it's some sort of fucking trophy oh mate don't and if you want to talk about selfishness it's not the ones that are standing clear of all this nonsense we're the we're the ones putting our freaking necks on the line because we love humanity and we support the let's call it the species it's the other way around it's you you little scared people that want to protect your own self whereas like was gareth and I said when it's your time you're gone when you're gone it's your time it's just just accept it you know it's that to me is selfish because what you're doing is saying I want to go around mother nature or god or universal spirit or whatever you're chosen um you know met chosen word is I want to circumvent that and I want to cheat nature and make sure I'm still here and it's ah yes anyway just if we can just do this one thing I've always wanted to ask your dad if I got the chance to podcast or speak to him was that first wogan show was your dad becoming enlightened gareth or would you say he was unwell I don't mean like he was off the mark unwell I mean that it like how did his enlightenment come around I think to be honest what he would say after I've heard him say it before like it was like um he basically came into so much information so quickly that it was basically like he describes it as someone just smashing the keys on a computer yeah and in the end the computer just freezes and it's trying to process it and after a while the little spinning icon goes and everything shows itself but I think the point he went on wogan was at that point where was basically just trying to compute stuff um but then at the same time like I've seen that interview back and you know the tracksuits pretty dreadful but when they say you know he said he was the son of god no he didn't he actually didn't say that he said that we were all sons of the godhead now I don't see that as being so out there what you're basically saying is that we're all brothers and sisters of the same force you know we're all one another now I find that strange that people would find that kooky to kind of think that that's the way it is I mean I think that's just most people think that that we're all whoever put us here whatever put us here we're all one aren't we do you know what I mean like I wasn't put here by him and he wasn't put here by her it was like we're all here together so I don't yeah that whole son of god thing is weird for me that's what the scriptures say anyway isn't it we're all born in god's image or to me that's just a way of saying like I say we're all part of the universe it's not not yeah it's not out there is it no that's the thing and most of the people that would be taking the mic would be sat singing hymns in midnight mass do you know what I mean and so it's like well which is it is it nonsense or is it not you know well there's one funny story actually so around about that time we'd gone out for the day on the Isle of Wight just as a family and we went to a place called god's there when it's lovely loads of tea rooms they've got a model village I'm a bit of a train geek so I'd love the model village all the trains and stuff like that and we're taking a walk to the top of the hill and there's this really beautiful little church right and this was when all this stuff was going around about you know Jesus blah blah blah and so we looked around the church and all of a sudden there's loads of people there tourists it was this big tourist place and all of a sudden the church caught fire right and I don't know how it happened but it went up and you know it didn't burn it down but part of the roof went up and whatever and I just remember like some of the other tourists like looking like what is going on like easy suddenly the church is on fire this is a bit weird and you knew like for a split second people were starting to doubt like what's happening what's what you know as you brought some like second coming thing and the church has gone up I think about that sometimes it makes me chuckle the thing I like is I sort of I sort of got my epiphany which is what sent me down what I would call the pathway of enlightenment right and I got that after my chronic drug addiction when I finally like woke up one day and it was oh my god right Chris enough is a f*** enough now mate you know this this is getting this is not working anymore right but that was 1998 I think and it wasn't until 2005 2006 that I had a a lecture at uni I was studying for my youth work degree and he said guys have you seen these videos that are coming up online and this is the early daisy and I had my first PC and it was that 386 Pentium 386 it'd be so wouldn't even work now it'd be so slow and he said yeah apparently and Gareth I just refer to it as what happened in New York and Washington 20 years ago I think everyone knows what we're talking I don't say the numbers of obvious reasons um but he said people are saying that what was supposed to have hit the Pentagon you know that wasn't how it was right so I went home and I I found the video is referring to one of them and it was oh my god it was just a further moment of enlightenment but I'd say that was the one that put me on the this side of the fence as opposed to like being in it's one that got finally like really got me out of the matrix but I remember back then if anybody on social media media social media mentioned David it would be like the 99 attack the one right but I can use in that you know the terms that people you all the all the CIA invented slurs right now it's the other way around the one person that uses the conspiracy they get attacked by the 99 or the one person that slags your dad off suddenly it's like oi do you you know do you realize all of what he said is coming true and this kind of thing and I just want to say I'm pleased to have seen that in my lifetime um it's yeah I think I think um New York and Washington red pilled a lot of people a lot of people because that story is so like the official narrative is so ridiculous that even those that would go well bloody lizard moon landing flat earth whatever even they with with that would be I mean I know a few people that believe the complete official narrative but they believe you know the official narrative of everything because that's who they are but most people I think have at least some very very big questions about that whole thing yes yes they do I'm trying to think of this anything I can say for people that are listening that are kind of curious but um there was a a film that came out at the time in fact I went to meet the last guy to get out of the buildings everyone knows the buildings I'm on about the last guy to get out alive he's been on my podcast actually um Willie um and around about that time you had a lot of scholars writing about this before it all got censored and brushed under the carpet and time time has kind of brushed it under the carpet a bit um but there was that brilliant film again I won't say the numbers but it's the numbers uh and then it was loose and then it was change spread those words apart so the computers don't the software doesn't get us but and it I'd say to anyone listening if you can find that film that I just said I'll try and put a link to it below but it's hard to find now it was it was sort of irrefutable evidence really that the official narrative wasn't it there were so many holes in it yeah there's a lot of people still fighting um like the architects for truth and stuff like that that are still really really fighting there's firefighters for truth as well there's there's lots and the but but this is the world we live in now where the media just just turns a blind eye to stuff so you know I mean RT says question everything I don't believe they question everything I think they question more than a lot but they don't question everything but but they they published some stuff on it about the fact that the other building which didn't get hit but collapsed anyway was a controlled demolition which of course it was it wasn't hit by anything I have no reason to fall down but that should have been I mean that should have been lead story you know that should have been after the first bong on the 10 o'clock news my god this was a controlled demolition because then that asked the question like buildings don't have they don't have explosives in them at all times so you can just go pull it yeah pull it like it takes months to rig those buildings in the same way that you know if a an ice hockey stadium or a football stadium or a theater whatever has been condemned or a big tower block you know they they have to do all the charges and all that sort of stuff and it takes months to do it and then everyone turns up and watches and they press the button and it collapses and all that sort of stuff yeah this this did that anyway so the question would then be why is why is it got explosives in it and I think that's you know that's not a tinfoil hat question that's a legitimate question why is it got explosive well it's even more legit mate because the University of Fairbanks Alaska were commissioned by the architects people to do an independent study I hint independent it's a university right it's a prestigious university in America and their finding was like the NIST what's it the National Institute of Science and Technology like the model that they brought out to just fucking con everyone with just was farcical it was there's absolutely no way that these pillars started to to destroy themselves for you know because it wasn't even jet fuel because like you said no no no vehicle hit those those buildings it they blamed it on they blamed it on there was a generator in the basement or something like this yeah it was office fires wasn't it oh oh it's paper in the bin it's so it's crazy that we've been led or that so many people probably still believe that right and the University of Fairbanks Alaska brought out this report and said no that's all nonsense it's physical impossibility yeah and the fact that the BBC announced that it'd gone and when she's announced and it's gone it's behind her ain't gone yet so so you know there's so many questions and it's yeah that's why I think it redpilled so many people because there's so many obvious things about it that are like we'll hang on that doesn't make sense yes well I think we said enough mate to to I think a good part of having these kind of chance isn't to try to convince people or turn people because I don't even know if you can actually do that but dropping the odd you know whatever you call it seed isn't a bad thing but we're also supporting all those people out there that have come to realise this and that are looking for logical rational like-minded figures to go yeah you you're absolutely right you know it's the same when I go out in public and I think people will know what I'm on about if I say I don't do a certain thing that everyone or the majority seems to be doing when I say for example go in a supermarket and a big part of the reason even though I'm just as afraid of confrontation getting attacked in a suit is it is all of anyone watching this I'm just afraid as you but my moral principles will not let me bow down to that fear right and one of the other factors is I know there'll be people in that supermarket looking at me going this guy's a fucking legend look he's he's he's doing the right thing I I you know I should be doing what he's doing but I'm just too afraid and and it's just showing people that no it's okay to to stand up for what is right um it's our bloody children for crying out loud yeah that that's the bit that gets me that's the bit that gets me um a fucking child abusers it's just so wrong but you can see the world's run by child abusers though because of because of how it's being normalised you know if you if you lived in a sane world you this kind of whole that kind of stuff for kids they would that would that would be off-limits um you know they're they're doing um I think it's Johnson and Johnson so how much of Johnson and Johnson paid out because their talcum powder was giving people cancer for crying out loud they're now um having trials on kids who's who's who's agreeing for their child to be in a trial because they ain't a parent like that's insanity um and but I agree with you I don't preach I don't see the point in preaching because it's kind of like don't listen to the mainstream media listen to me well I'm just as bad then but what I do is exactly the same as you is is well this is how I'm going to live my life this is what I do and here's a few little seeds of stuff of why I do that and why I believe that and then you go away and you do research and you decide whether I'm an idiot or whether you agree with me and that's how it should be and that's why I think it's important that we that we do these things and I know certain people within the alternative which I won't name but preach a lot you know don't do this don't wear a you know but they do it but they do it so you go well how does that work you want me to do something but you're not willing to do it you know and that's where you get peter hitchhens I mean that's just staggering to me I don't know if you've seen that story with him enlighten us mate well basically he's he's you know obviously been supposedly fighting against this since the beginning and then he gets his phone call saying you know you're gonna come in for a jab and he goes and gets it now I don't give a toss whether he's doing that that you do you feel your boots mate if you want to get it I think I should be free to not have it and you should be free to have it if you want it you go do you hunt so my issue with him isn't because of that it was then that he wrote a whole article about the fact that he'd had to do it because we've been defeated we've lost so okay so you've not even waited for passports to come out and be commissioned and be put out because then what you could do peter is he go oh I need a passport and I don't have one I want to go and see my family oh okay I'll reluctantly do it right you've not even done that peter you've you've got the phone call and you've just done it immediately and then written a big article telling everyone that we've lost and urging other people to give in and do it like that's why I have a problem with that and the backlash on him has been huge and I'll be honest I think he's finished um it's the same can I just say I thought peter hitchham was dead we're talking that's his brother Christopher he died oh apologies to to friends and family and fans listening I didn't mean to be rude um yeah but that's very similar to when somebody asked chomsky I've forgotten his surname what is it norm no norm sorry I didn't mean to sound disrespectful but someone asked norm chomsky what about building he went oh well you know what it is I'm not a scientist so I'm not positioned to cut this fucking what you comment on every other thing in history but this what and he's not the only one though Assange skirts around 9-11 as well similar to when certain and you know again I'm not into besmirching people it's not what I do but I just we need to talk to highlight examples but it's when certain podcasters who you know made a career out of highlighting the ridiculousness of certain narratives that are just accepted in society you know I don't even want to say but and then suddenly they just shut up one day and it's like oh no I didn't say that oh yeah well I said it but what I meant it's like no dude you didn't you know we all followed you because you were highlighting this bullshit and now that you've got your 1 million subscribers and your your new contract for so and so and this tv contract and this blah blah blah blah blah etc you suddenly like you've turned on us and you literally you know you were these people could be such strong voices I kind of get it I think it norm was to talk out and tell the truth what he knows about you know that event that we discussed yeah probably he would be executed with it I don't I don't know or he'd be besmirched all but isn't it better to go out fighting than to live as a coward I agree you know I agree I'd say put Bernie Sanders in that list as well like when he when he endorsed Hilary you know I know it's all freaking pantomime anyway but the fact that he endorsed Hilary after she'd obviously he'd been cheated out the nomination you know that was insane and I think you know to to to call out authority and speak your truth and fight the system when you've got nothing to lose is relatively easy really anyone can do that because what's the worst that can happen and I think the real courage is those that have got something to lose but still do it anyway and still fight anyway and obviously like you said I'm not sure who you're referring to in terms of that podcast but that they've looked at it and gone yeah but I've got all these subscribers and I've got this lifestyle now that I like and I've got this endorsement with x y and z so I'll shut up whereas the real courage is those that go well I'll lose the endorsement then well I'll lose this then I'll lose that then because the truth is more important they're the ones that I think will be left standing at the end I honestly believe that and I think like with Pete Hitchens I described this to um to a couple of people I was talking to on Twitter where I was saying basically because I believe wholeheartedly we're going to win this that Pete Hitchens will basically be the Pete best of the resistance in in the you know he was there and then he just bailed out and then we won in the same way like you know the Beatles became successful and um I honestly believe that and I feel sorry for him in a way oh god yes anyway enough doom and gloom tell us about your music gap because I was listening to it before the podcast um I miss it actually I miss it because I've not been gigging anywhere um what I did at the start of the first lockdown is a lot people are doing these online streams and so I did a couple because I think you'll try everything twice and I hated it absolutely hated it because it was like this I mean I'm chatting to you I can see the whites of your eyes when we're talking so we're having a conversation even though it's over the internet but with the gigs with those live streams you can't see anyone so all I could see was myself so I'm there playing guitar to myself and like you'd have the odd like or the odd heart or the odd thing will appear here and there but you can't see anyone and then you finish your song and it's silent obviously because there's no applause there's no interaction between you and the audience which for me is the whole point of performing so I hated it so I stopped doing that but hopefully you know plus plus by doing all this zoom shit and changing your your spare bedroom into your new office you know where your four-year-old comes running in in ten times a day and he's listening to you making phone calls about adult stuff like my partner is a drug worker right works with some of the real nasty cases and involving children and all this kind of stuff like and and yet I've got to be careful what I say because I don't play the narrative Gareth at all right so we don't do what everyone else does we do what what is right to a point you know we have our we we have our differences but like I don't want my little lad running in and I wouldn't want him listening to my partner's work because hey she's supposed to be at work she's supposed to be concentrating on her work he's supposed to be at school or whatever well he is at school um but if he was home doing what all the other kids are having to do uh he shouldn't he needs attention he needs his mother and a father that are not going right son just just give us two I've just got to make one more phone call about you know a methadone prescription it's so I got slightly off track there but what my point is is by trying to do these things well by buying into this shit you're just supporting this whole home cocoon dehumanization you know de de-communitizing if that's even a word um I'm guilty I mean I do the zoom podcast I will say that this is what I've always done I did this before all this stuff happened that's different though if you're talking to people all over the place I mean where abouts are you I'm in southwest so down on the coast yeah so you're you're 250 miles from me yeah so yeah I still get people like oh Chris I want to do it in person right they want me on their podcast I'm like dude you live in Liverpool do you expect me to seriously take a day off to drive up there and do a podcast then get a hotel for 150 quid for the evening then spend half the next day driving on then have to put my feet up because obviously I'm tired from driving and I just like two days off my work um and you want me to do that to come and do a no disrespect but a free podcast and it's going to get 300 views on YouTube it it's a ah sorry I I prefer the personal thing but for the travel reasons it it just doesn't work out no of course not but you'd be all right though like this is so I've got a friend who's sort in our kitchen out for us because the kitchen's an absolute mess like we've lived in the house a couple of years and we've basically you know done most of it up ourselves brought the old person into two bits and bobs that are sort of beyond our skills so I've got to make sort in the kitchen and doing bits and bobs and he he was saying to me that the amount of um like conversions he's doing into pubs so like people turning their garage into a bar or turning the garden shed into a bar that that sort of thing's gone through the roof and it's like because no no one can go to the pub anymore and and so what's going to happen is obviously if I spend five gratined having my conservatory or my garage turned into this wicked pub as soon as the pub's open I'm not going to go we'll bugger that then I'm off down the dog and duck you're going to end up staying in your pub because you spent all the money on it and that's what will happen you know people are are creating their homes into those into those things and it is like everyone's just freaking under house arrest that's your music mate so I'm not being rude um I was listening to souls of Kevlar this morning and oh yeah only takes a day to forget very good voice you've got mate thanks mate they're um I was supposed to be recording in Scotland those tracks um in the summer like full band but um the great nictator went went full mental didn't she so that wasn't happening so in the end I went down to the Isle of Wight for Christmas to see my family and um I've got to make the runs of studio there so I just recorded them live I just figured like I've written them and I wrote them throughout lockdown so it was a case of let's just record them and so they don't get forgotten basically but they're just yeah just live me with an acoustic guitar can people buy your music garage so so we can support you a bit is there yeah so if you go to one set one set we've got John O'Groats to land's end yeah sorry for folks watching my and my avatar came came up instead of my beautiful face and um it gives me a chance to show off to Gareth that I ran the length of the UK that's unbelievable mate ultra marathon a day for 37 days sleeping at the side of the road basically being an absolute hero um and I got lots of women because of it yeah there you go yeah they all they all fancied me how can you resist mate do you know what I mean hey this the smell that was coming off me by the time I got to land's end you could even the my fellow marines were going fucking Chris you stink your feet your feet must have been a mess were they um I basically got through one heel the whole of one heel came off and then you you go again right it I put some tape over it and it heals up a bit and you know it was the fact that I got half we're down a country I got to around about um Wigan sort of area and I fractured my right leg I got shit what we call shin splint in in the military so it's basically a stress fracture going around my my calf and oh mate it become freaking agony absolute agony to the point I couldn't even walk let alone run and then I sat down on a grass bank and fought right how can I I'm not stopping but I can't run so that was kind of not helpful really um and I looked to my left and it was a fucking off license so I went and said can I have a bottle of rum please and I bought a little bottle of rum and I just took a massive massive swig I will say I've taken a painkiller for friends listening please don't do this it's fucking really dangerous you can die it's the biggest cause of overdose is people mix in alcohol with with uh opiate medication or whatever it might be but I've taken a a eyebrow profane or something and and off the back of that I was like oh I feel all right now and that broken leg mysteriously so every morning I just had a tot of rum and I was able to able to finish um but yes seriously impressive though mate that's that's like top end yeah well I didn't set out to impress Gareth it was just something I wanted to do and it wasn't really about the running it was about I was picturing the camping in my mind that was more I was thinking well I'll be able to stop on my own for the evening and maybe catch a few trout and grill them over the old camp it doesn't doesn't quite work well it did it worked out like that sometimes obviously I didn't take a fishing rod um but when you get into it you realise ah this this isn't a picnic you know this isn't a picnic anymore if I don't really apply myself and sort my head out and sort my equipment out I'm not going to do this it's just it's too difficult and then you really focus and then suddenly the cooking gear is like I don't need that shit you know I'll buy stuff in the shops and um but yeah no it was it was I wasn't trying to be a hero I was I set out to raise awareness of the veteran suicide epidemic that we're facing at the moment and the PTSD and this kind of stuff we raised £18,000 for a for the batten charity which supports um supports veterans I always try to get a little bit of my political commentary in there as I'm going so um so yeah no I didn't set out to be a hero I just set out to have a like a bit of fun time on my own it just it just turned into an epic and that's wicked man it's wicked yeah well I try and push myself for my 50th birthday that was the next year I did a quadruple Iron Man distance triathlon which isn't impressive in itself what is impressive is that eight weeks earlier I came last in my first ever triathlon so I did an Olympic triathlon in Torquay literally came so last that my son was on the finish line going where's my daddy why is everyone finishing my daddy's not finished 40 minutes later I'm here I'm here son when I went off to do the run the organizers were like could you just stop now so we can all go I'm like no sorry if you if you want my to keep my medal that's fine but I'm not stopping and so coming last in my first triathlon I said right in eight weeks I'm going to do four Iron Men which was it culminated in 108 mile non-stop run um up in Lincolnshire it was up in Nottingham rather and yeah that was a bit legendary so what so what what distance swimming is that that was a nine and a half mile swim Jesus worked yeah um I'm gonna be honest because I just prefer being honest about stuff I'm I think elite athletes tend to actually think they're elite and we're not we're all just human and if you can do a half marathon you can do a hundred mile all right okay you know the the the I don't want to steal people's dreams is what I'm trying to say so when you swim in a wetsuit it's completely different to just diving in the swimming pool where I can swim about two lengths and I start to you know I've really had to teach myself to swim you know yeah I did the um I swam to the Isle of Wight that's about as close as I've got I swam the mainland to the Isle of Wight but that's nothing like that distance did you wear a wetsuit though I did yeah I had to because it was freezing because the wetsuit gives you so much more buoyancy than normal swimming in fact my triathlon wetsuit even though the arms are parts of the arms are like one millimeter to give you the flexibility but some of it is five mil and the important bit so it's almost like an accepted cheat a profession you know it's well within the rules to wear a wetsuit obviously front for any kind of iron man or triathlon but what I'm getting to is it stops you drowning so all you've got to do is just keep moving your arms and kicking your legs and if you get tired yeah you can roll on your back have a breather then then go for it again um and it's funny yeah nine and a half miles wasn't it wasn't massively different I'd just be a liar Gareth that wasn't the difficult bit the cycling was hard so I did it I tried to do it all in seven days each cycle I cycled 100 miles a day 125 I think on the first day so in four days I'd done 450 miles I think it had to work out to and yeah China even on my ultra light fancy bike that I bought that's quite hard to cycle 100 miles in a day yeah yeah I can imagine what's it like soon to the Isle of Wight then you're the second person that's done that I dazz hardy on my podcast he's a former captain in the army and he swam to the Isle of Wight and then I think he ran around it or something right right no I um I was basically was trying to do these these um challenges to raise money for a kid in Derby who sadly passed away but it was trying to get him treatment and so what I was doing is I was raising all right money don't get me wrong like I walked the length of the Isle of Wight it was about 27 miles I did that in my pants just these horrible tied whitey pants thing and so I was trying to add little things I was thinking walk the Isle of Wight it's like easy enough um but if I had just a pants in it then obviously people donate money just for me to look like a prat basically so I was doing all these things and I wanted to do these things I was like I need to do so I'm saying to my well now wife then girlfriend I was like I feel like I need to do something that is going to you know I'm not very good at swimming I'm all right at swimming I grew up on an island but I'd never put myself down as like a really good swimmer and I was like so if I do that then that might get more people to donate because they'll be like you know Hikey's not that good at swimming and um and so I did and it worked you know I raised a few grand for that um for swimming it um but also it was a real challenge for me so I was doing like 100 100 lengths a day every day for like three months before and that was great so I just got myself in really good shape and then um obviously had the challenge of doing it but what I added on to the challenge which annoyed my wife actually was that I said if I fail because these are the rules the strict rules with it so if at any point I grab hold of the boat you have to have a boat with you then that's done it's finished it's over um and so I said to everyone like I was doing a radio show at the time on on the Isle of Wight I said if I fail I'll walk naked down Union Street that night so it was the middle of August it was a Saturday night town had been heaving me walking down with with my pecker out like you'd never live it down and I remember like my wife was like why would you do that as well and I was like because I know I'm going to hit a wall like I know I am and so if I hit that wall and the decision is you carry on going or you have to walk down Union Street tonight with your knob out I'm going to finish this swim and so that so that was the idea I was like I'm going to challenge myself but what I didn't then bring into consideration was that but what if something happens that's beyond my control and so what happened was one of the big massive um car ferries started basically coming towards me and I was getting I was caught on the riptide and I was drifting towards it and it got to such a point where I was like I'm going to have to jump in the boat in a minute because otherwise this is going to sweep me up thank goodness I I managed to sort of just just get around it enough that I could carry on because that would have yeah because I'd never lived that down on the Isle of Wight. I was going to say Gareth it's quite a busy sea lane there isn't it? Well it's the busiest in the world. I mean the channel is the busiest in the world full stop so yeah that's even busier. Yeah even busier because you've got Limington you've got Southampton you've got Portsmouth all within a stone's throw of each other plus you've got the military obviously because you've got the navy in Portsmouth. This is another thing I didn't realise like we had to get permission off of six different harbour masters the M.O.D the council the Isle of Wight the council of Hampshire Hampshire County council it was it was ridiculous the amount of of permissions and stuff that you had to get you had to have a boat with you you had to do I can confess this now because it was years ago you had to do this risk assessment thing we didn't do it we just wrote it up and how we've been practicing pulling me onto the boat we had because we only had the boat for a day and and all this stuff we had to do yeah the paperwork was was ridiculous actually to be fair that was more of a bore lake than the actual swim. Yes my gosh how what's the distance mate sorry it's about four mile that's um but it depends where you do it but yeah it's about it's about four mile on average but it's it's a tough one because because the riptides are so much like this was another thing I'd aimed so my family were all at a certain point and I was swimming to all and I could just see them just get further and further away and I ended up landing I think it was about best part of 2k away from where they were and another part of the rule is obviously you have to go on shore so as soon as you go on shore tick the box you've swam the sun and you go on the list of people that have done it and I had no where to go and so I sort of just tread in water and there was a pontoon like a little bit further down and the family were out because it was early in the morning because obviously you have to go on the tides they were sat out having their breakfast and I said to them I was like shouting out I was like can I come on your land and they were like yeah come on up so they let me on their pontoon so I could tick it off so that was all right because I don't know what I'd have done because my arms were dead and if at that point I'd have to turn around and try and swim back another kilometer or something to get onto a beach I think I'd have been I'd have failed really but yeah they let me on and then yeah got in the boat and then sailed back the two kilometers back to where my family were waiting oh my gosh oh well done that's a great achievement yeah it's not quite yours but it was you know it was well in fairness you did yours in open water which technically an Ironman is usually open water but I only call mine an Ironman distance triathlon because I did the distances right um the reason was I couldn't get any skipper of a boat in Plymouth wouldn't I put the word out in our fishing community and they they wouldn't do it because of insurance right in the end it was like well do I want to be swimming around Plymouth harbour on my own with like a one of those red floats or something you know and how's that measurable where am I swimming from and what if the ties just change and it complete so in the end I went to the Lido pool so it's a saltwater outside cold water pool and um they agreed to let me do it there and then I got I got about four miles into the swim and I'd gone hypothermic so I shivering beyond all all possibility of continuing if I continue I was going to die so then I hopped out into the actual swimming pool that we've got here in the city and I did the the the rest of it just just doing just doing lengths in you know obviously in my in my shorts I didn't have the benefit of the wetsuit then but the benefit of not dying which yeah well that's a benefit in it yeah so no it's all good credit to you mate doing it in open water that's yeah it's another thing again I did my first triathlon in open water and it's yeah you're vulnerable when you're out there right yeah yeah I ended up in the end just going breaststroke I was just like do you know what because it was it was so like the waves and stuff and I was just like do you know what I'm just going to breaststroke this because it because it doesn't matter how long it takes because obviously it wasn't a race it was just to do it so I was like it didn't matter but I still did it in about it wasn't that long it's about an hour and 20 so that it was a lot less time than I thought it'd be to be fair but yeah I need another challenge now so I'll come up with another one yeah just to focus on something I hate all these virtual things I don't hate the people's input that'll you know I'm all for people trying new stuff and taking on chat is great but I hate the fact that it's all part of the agenda isn't it that they're staying indoors and not talking to people and not running with people and oh yeah it's all long planned then I remember there's a bit the Bill Hitt sketch where he's talking about people just staying in their houses watching American Gladiator as well big trucks will go and pass them fire and pizzas through people's letterboxes and everyone's staying in their house I mean that he was telling those gags in about 93 92 93 and it's like I mean that's what's happening like you know see that's an exaggeration of the thing but the fact that people just staying in it's not really an exaggeration though is it that has been the scenario you know people are earning less money but spending more on takeaway and alcohol it's just insane to think of the mental health problems we've stored up at the same time our health service has been destroyed from the inside out or the upside down whatever the hell it is all them you know oh yeah it's not fit for purpose in it just no no um we we are gonna hit a wall of of mental health problems I mean it's yeah when furlough ends as well you see they've extended that till September now compliance compliance bribery payments till September it's just to keep people shut up but um but when it does end eventually which it will obviously because it's it's not you know infinite man what is going to happen yeah yeah what was the deal then with your dad and the London real people hit there was quite a big thing going on there for a while wasn't there he was featuring yeah so he'd been on London real a couple of times like over the years and then they got him on just before lockdown I think it was so March middle of March and it went viral like proper viral so then they had him back in April they used five as an excuse but I mean I've been making five videos from my dad's website for his for his YouTube for years um and there was never any problem you know if you spoke about israeli got demonetized it was some of the climate change stuff you got demonetized but some was all right but the five stuff was fine so then all of a sudden it was because of five but it but they'd left the original London real interview on where he talked about five loads but then they took off the second month so that was obviously where they had an issue um and then so yeah he's done I think it's five now he's done five of them yeah I I'll say now I've got a very different view on it all from certainly from the mainstream because I think health starts with yourself starts with maintaining an alkaline diet so your body is the right pH that nature intended uh moderate exercise you get rid of the stress you know which is your mindfulness right and and that's done me well for 17 years now I haven't been ill yeah but that's the thing as well but like I said at the start it's about responsibility they're taking away responsibility from everyone so no one's accountable for anything anymore so it's like the same when people want to you know make you wear these in a supermarket and you say to the guy are you going to be are you going to be accountable are you liable for anything that happens to me as a result of me wearing this what what but exactly no one wants to take responsibility and it comes for the same for your own health so it's like all of a sudden you're responsible for everyone else's health I'm responsible for everyone else's health and they're all responsible for mine so that's since when like I don't carry your inhaler for you what you're talking about I'm responsible for my own health you're responsible for your own the fact that your obese have a horrendous diet you know a diabetic as a result of years of horrendous diet that's on you mate that's on you and so therefore if you're more susceptible to illness and disease and respiratory problems then that's again without sounding callous which I don't mean to that's on you mate you know the fact that if I'm healthy and I exercise and I eat well and you know try and relax like you say because stress is the biggest killer in the world anyway then that's on me you know so oh god it's just insane even as a fairly well balanced person now I mean I still yeah I mean I have mental challenges every single day it's just the nature of suffering extreme trauma in your life but even me I'm I struggle with this loss of routine I can't hit the sauna in the gym at six in the morning like I love doing I fucking love it mate you know it makes me happy to be me and and love the planet and and feel so good about my day and then I come back from that do I want to go to the off-license and buy a bit no of course I don't I I'm not that life is like a history when you shove me in a house and I'm stuck you know oh same same I was having I was having kegs delivered in the first lockdown from the local brewery yeah don't mean everything when my alarm go was didn't even use to set an alarm come five o'clock or hop out of bed you couldn't stop me I loved it I just loved being the first person up in my street I love getting two hours of work four hours of work done including my my workout and stuff before everybody else get even gets to the office now it's it's all changed you know it's I mean I obviously I'm as strict as I can in my routines but just to be honest to people I find it tough I wake up in the morning it's like oh I can't go gym you know and I'm not like I'm not one of these kind of merchants scarify I do it for my my mental health you know I love to have that sauna in the morning I love to run around the sea front just sometimes a mile doesn't have to be far but just just to get out and get moving and no I'm the same you know and you know that's another sign for me that you can't go to the gym but you can go to McDonald's yeah what yeah you can't make yourself healthier but you can make yourself more unhealthy during a supposed health crisis it doesn't make any sense Gav I just want to finish off oh you've been such a brilliant guest I'm absolutely made up that you've come on the podcast it's um it's just uh well it's like a dream come true for me really to to spend my time talking to bloody legends you know the people I want my son to look up to um but I do want to give your music a mention it we were saying is there any way people can support you can they get you on some pay pay channel or whatever well um all the stuff's on Spotify and iTunes and stuff like that but I find like if you just go to garethite.com I put my all the songs on bandcamp and there you can listen to them there anyway so it does the same job as Spotify but if you want to download them um say say now you you spent a pound on a tune then that just comes to me then um whereas with iTunes they take obviously a huge cut and they also don't pay you for six months so so all the money can sit in their bank accounts get an interest for six months god knows how much they must make of that alone um so that's the best way to do it yeah I think bandcamp are a relatively small organization and so it's it's a little bit more organic for anybody watching if you want to you know employ gareth services please get in contact with him you know if you need a speaker if you want some of the make sense of what's going what's going on in the world etc etc and that can't let you go without saying your speech in london which was not that long ago was it was just incredible thanks man thank you I heard you on the podcast the night before talking to rich going yeah I mean london tomorrow apparently I've got to speak I'll just get up and say something that's and and you were really good mate really really the fact you did it without any notes and it was all from the heart um yeah it was good thanks mate appreciate that that was that was something I wanted to do was was just to make sure that it wasn't like you know some scripted nonsense that off of a bit of paper I was like no I'm just gonna speak my truth and because you speak your truth you don't you don't need notes no no you don't well hopefully you me and rich can do a podcast maybe we can do rich's show to all your and rich's show together and then yeah yeah that'd be a good that'd be a laugh yeah enjoy that a bit more and yes brilliant and give my love to your dad if you if you would I will of course yeah yeah I'll pass that on definitely and to your and to your family obviously so friends at home massive thank you to Gareth this like I said is a it's a very great moment on the podcast massive love to you all and thank you for supporting us if you can like and subscribe it's going to hopefully help us to make sense of this uh insane world and look after yourselves