 Hello and welcome to a very special edition of frightfully forgotten horror movies And we're doing something completely new and different today. That's right We have a very special guest coming on the show today. It's Cinemassacre's James Rolfe And we're gonna be talking about horror and Halloween at the start of October here We're gonna touch on some topics. You did tell him to bring beer, right? Yeah, yeah, he knows it's all part of the show's gimmick. Okay, good stuff this time not the shit he usually drinks The rolling rock stuff. Yeah, it doesn't really drink that shit. It's all part of the character. Oh, hey guys Hey James, how's it going? Hey before we get started? What are we all drinking here? Oh me? Well, I did don't worry about it. Oh, oh, it's just some American beer like a local beer or something Yeah, well, it's uh, it's a logger. Huh pale logger. Well, that could be like One of a thousand beers like come on. What are we talking about here? Well? All right for Christ's sake. I knew it. I told didn't I tell you would you go get something good? Please we can't continue this unless we're all drinking some decent beers here Well, it does happen to be empty So it has been drank fun fact I Recycled the bottles a lot in nerd episodes. So I use the same ones again sometimes But I got something here. I mean this is a one of my favorites of vines to find or half a vison There we go. The world's oldest brewery 1040 so they had a long time to they plenty of time to get it right I hope so God for a thousand years like yeah some taste a little off still Didn't quite nail it Where's it from? Oh, uh, Germany very up. Yeah, Bavaria. It's best when poured into a Cup so I got something here. So yeah, should I open it open it up go for it? Yeah. All right. Here we go We're drinking my Well homemade wolf's bane bitter to kick off the Halloween season We're gonna basically talk about our love of horror movies because of course we're a horror movie channel and James is a Big horror movie fan. Yeah anybody who likes horror movies and beer is a friend of mine and you play music too So all good. So the Halloween season has started and I'm sure we all have our special Videos we're planning for the Halloween season. Yeah, we have H2O 25 years later. It's still even worse video Oh, I got to see that we have a Halloween to watch along What should be fun? This is gonna be one of them James. Do you have anything special planned for Halloween? You don't have to spill the beans. Actually, we know you have something special But when can we see it? We know it's gonna be pretty epic. Do you have like a date planned or anything? I don't know the date, but it but it's definitely October. I have three things do in October One is the angry video game nerd episode, which is insane. This is like one of the biggest videos I've done in a long time. I've gone through a three-hour makeup process in it Wait till you see It's kind of like a bucket list thing like it's it's been like sort of a personal goal of mine to do this so yeah, I can't wait for you to see it and The other things I have monster madness. I have a series of videos going on about horror TV episodes, well, not necessarily hard but like more specifically the Halloween Episode of a TV show Yeah, so and then also I'm Also preparing for a trip to Portland to play in Rex viper On the West Coast for the first time on Friday the 13th, so I have all these things going on that I'm preparing for it Triple simultaneous deadlines all happening. So so I just have to look forward to yeah What do you guys like to have like to put on for the for the start the first horror movie of October? Yeah, it varies, but um This year though. I watched the old Dark House again, and now I just love that movie. I just can't get enough of it I love rewatching that one every year. That's kind of like One of my essential Halloween, you know flicks great It actually took me a long time to find that movie It used to be rare a couple of years ago on to be was free and I finally had a chance to watch it But it took me forever to find the damn thing. Yeah, it used to have like really poor quality like they they sort of just found like some old like probably a 16 millimeter print and Anytime you'd see it. It would look really deep contrast and like grainy and And then they sort they started restoring it as time went on and now if you look at it It's like it's in like 4k, and it looks crystal clear It's great, but at the same time I feel like when I started watching it the graininess made it a little more Creepy in a way. Yeah, there's certain movies that for sure Benefit from the grainy a lot. Ninja Turtles cleaned up for like blue rain 4k Yeah, yeah, like all the seams of the suits and everything like yeah when they open their mouths to and see the shit inside Let's start like right from the beginning like right from the beginning. Yeah Do any of us have like a very first Memory of a horror movie like the very first thing it could be like a picture in a magazine or a movie on the shelf But the rental store I can go first for this one if you want to I know this one give James a moment When I was probably Three years old or so three or four had to been four about four years old So it would have been about 1988 my sister rented Evil Dead 2 at the time I didn't know it was Evil Dead 2, but I remember one of my very first memories ever is Linda's head in the vice in the workshop You're one of your first memories ever yeah ever ever and yeah It was like him saw it a member being like that scene is fucking freaky But I remember like kind of being freaked out but not overly scared all that much You know I still kept watching it, but then I don't remember much more after that James Well, you know mine. I think I mean they weren't technically horror movies or kind of horror comedies, but I remember seeing Gremlins at a young age and ghostbusters. So those two Were kind of like my first horror movies Even though they're like 50-50 comedy. It was probably a lot of kids gateway into horror. I think yeah That it makes a lot of sense that being at the right age And I also I vaguely remember seeing a scene from John Carpenter's the thing at a young age And I don't even know how I got my eyes on it But I was just like one scene and it was one of these scenes where it like all shits going Crazy all the blood and guts is coming out and I remember seeing that and I was like traumatized But I only caught like one little glimpse of it So it's not like it a really you know Stuck I remember seeing um alien that the chestbursters seen from alien when I was pretty young I remember that that freaking me out the first memory. I have a horror movie I actually don't think it's a movie itself, but my dad had A book about horror movies was like the history of horror And the cover was Christopher Lee as Dracula tangled in all the vines from the satanic rites of Dracula At the end and that was the cover and that's like my first ever memory of a horror movies that cover with Christopher Lee Bleeding and tangling the vines and shit. Yeah with his eyes all bloodshot What a shitty way for Dracula to fucking die. Oh, yeah, the the Hawthorne bush. Are you kidding? He clumsily trips over these vines and then yeah, it's fucking Dracula We does get a little bit of a shovel Um as well for good measure since we're on the topic of Dracula hammer whore. I know a lot of people are on the fence about Dracula ad A shit sandwich like the bread is very good. So like you get like a very good opening and a very good ending It's just kind of shitty in the middle There's also a little bit of a breath of fresh air at the same time because how many times they had done that formula at that point Where yeah, it was kind of nice to see him kind of break away from the gothic villages Yeah after doing it for that that many that was like number six. So Yeah, I mean it's like you got to change it up eventually. True enough I don't like the uh the running water thing that they introduced though Like what the this is a little silly too many ways to kill Dracula is too easy prints of darkness It's like, okay first movie sunlight second movie's water It's like, okay. Well sunlight in water you're you're a failure at that point You can't do anything. Yeah, you have to be invited as a vampire. You have to be invited into somebody's house You can't just you know barge in um Then if you go really far, there's all those things like uh If you spill rice, they have to count it every last piece. Oh, yeah Yeah Yeah, yeah vampires suck. Yeah, I kind of you know when I was a kid I thought wouldn't it wouldn't be cool to be a vampire you're watching movies like lost boys and shit Like all these bad-ass vampires, but doing a really look at is like man, it must suck. You have to sleep in your own native soil I mean at that point you're just sleeping in your own Shit, I mean that's what it is soil when they say your soil. It's like he's soiled himself. So That's fucking stink. I mean you're going around just covered in dirt then like he's supposed to he has this cape He's supposed to be like this elegant count And he's sleeping in dirt sleeping in shit And you got a shower like you're gonna clean yourself every day. Maybe that's why dracula was always like this You didn't want to smell his own ass Yeah, I mean well, yeah, you gotta love those hammer-hard films, uh, especially the dracula that well dracula in frankenstein I love those two series. I think it's safe to say we all got into horror fairly young I I think I was fully On board Like 1112 probably I would say safe to say 12 I was like that was my Universal monster phase like that's when it all started for me What do you think it is about horror movies that kind of got us gripped in at such a young age? Well, you know what it was first it was the pictures in the uh, the eanthorn books the uh the the orange books that um, actually I have some of them over here, but uh Uh, it was by crestwood house. It was basically like there's one book on dracula one on frankenstein There were just like movie facts and stuff and they weren't a lot lots of times they were inaccurate um, but uh Like you know the the front cover of the wolf man book. It's a picture of um I was a teenage werewolf. I think it's not the wolf man Um, but but who cares when you see those pictures you're like, oh wow like look at that and you kind of had to invent the movie in your head and um It would be a while before I'd actually find them Just lurking in the corners of the video store somewhere. Yeah. Yeah, so I think it started with those books You remember what what was it about horror that kind of gripped you in Got you obsessed. I I think it it was always playing in my household. So like and that's that's because of my mom. She was like You know, she had steven king books everywhere and she she was the one who really There was always a horror movie playing either from tv or from from, you know, like cable Of course back when cable was actually pretty good And then whenever we went to the movie store there was always it was just straight to the horror section Well, that's where she always went. So I always just followed behind and then it was just you know You just kind of slowly grew into it. Yeah, you're probably born into it. I was more of kind of born into it It's not really anything that that snapped for me or anything is just sort of a natural Thing and then when me and adam met It we played off each other with all that kind of shit. So that just kind of made it skyrocket too is like Yeah, I would say I was born into it too because my dad was a big horror movie fan Like I said that book I grew up probably before I even saw a horror movie Flipping through that book and seeing all the pictures of the hammer films and universal monster films and stuff like that So yeah again kind of born into it, but I think it was probably for me like more of the horror comedies kind of like you said james like Young frankenstein and stuff like that really got me into the whole gothic look Of horror right and then when I realized him or my mom or whoever told me You know, this is you know an offshoot of this movie Then you go back to the beginning and watch the original frankenstein I think that's kind of where it started for me was like young frankenstein To the original frankenstein then up from there. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny when we were kids like when all of us were kids We didn't have these like shitty remakes either. Yeah, and all the remakes of the 80s were all different You know like the fly the thing the blob but like all those had remakes that were just so Different than the originals um It was like there was a purpose to make a remake back then a great remake is you is always A remake of a movie that you know almost had it like the idea was there But you know, they couldn't quite pull it off. So it's like yeah a remake of something like the thing Even though even though the fly is a classic It's still a little goofy with the big head and all that kind of stuff So if you can make that a bit more serious and take this great idea and that's a great remake not just for the sake of Cashcraft. Yeah, exactly. We love horror movies, but they probably don't scare us. Do they like James has there been like a horror movie that's actually frightened you or scared you Or it'd be a different genre or a movie that would actually get to you Yeah, like not usually but uh hereditary was like the first movie that gave me like a nightmare in 30 years or something. Yeah um Yeah, it really freaked me out. I didn't I enjoyed it. I was like, oh my god. Give me more of that But uh, yeah, like I mean because usually it's like like no like you don't really get scared for real. It's it's just You know, you're you're watching it more for the The entertainment value and the the art of it and you know, maybe some cheap laughs or something but like uh Every now and then there's something that comes along. That's just legitimately just it just fucks with your Your psych and for you is hereditary I think so. I mean that all the top of my head that one really like um That one really bothered me and I mean there were some other ones. I thought were creep like it follows I mean it didn't really scare me, but it was it was definitely like a creepy concept and I know a lot of people shit on that movie, but I didn't I didn't like oh really I didn't mind it. I kind of liked it. I liked it. I liked hereditary though. I don't think you liked hereditary. I didn't I didn't Overall, I didn't like it, but I liked parts of it as far as collecting horror movies go Um, I know we were big into it as kids, you know, you'd hop on your bike Yeah, saturday after whatever and bike to wherever the flea market and go hunting for fucking vhs What kind of stuff did you start collecting or what when did you start collecting? Well, it was definitely uh The uh the vhs tapes and mainly like universal monsters, but other stuff too Uh hammer horror video store Not a rental store, but like a store store called a sun coast And um, it was in the mall and I remember that's where I bought a lot of those tapes But it was very slow. It was a very slow process, you know Like every time you'd have like 15 bucks to spend, you know, you'd come back and you'd get another one Like they were expensive. Yeah, they were used vhs Was 12 bucks. Yeah, let alone a fucking new one, right? So yeah, and that was cheap like we both got some wicked movies Like I got um the original release of my bloody valentine I got that at the flea market the same one you had, but you lost it the Return of the living dead. I didn't lose it. I gave it away You were more into collecting the universal stuff that was kind of like your The collection you wanted or needed to complete Yeah, yeah, there was that there was Godzilla. Um, it was it was all that kind of stuff Yeah, the universal collection. I remember They didn't really they didn't put them all out like like the old dark house, for example That wasn't one of them the silent ones. They never did like fan of the opera or uh, or hunchback and no Notre Dame I think if it was anything that was public domain universal didn't want to release it themselves They just didn't give a shit. I love the universal horror movies I don't think we we didn't seek them out to collect them so much We're more to think that the slasher series, you know got to get all your halloween's you got to get all your friday to thirteenth You got to get all your nightmare in elm's dreams. Yeah Yeah, abbyville horror was after the classics that then I kind of went to like night living dead That was like my bridge and then Then went into all the slashers and stuff um And a lot of that was uh when joe bob started hosting uh monster vision We never had joe bob where we are we never grew up with joe bob probably just because you know cable television Whatever in canada here. We just didn't get that station. Yeah only know about joe bob because of you I don't think I would know about joe bob wasn't for you Yeah, yeah, what kind of movies would he play on his show back when he had the cable show? Well, um Well, I remember he did all the friday thirteenth movies um except at the time four because the the the um the network didn't have the rights to four And he made it loud and clear like he uh he he he complained about it And he'd always complain about them cutting out some of the uh the gore and the nudity for for tv And he would like talk about a scene that you didn't see and be like well You didn't see that thanks to tnt sensors. So it was just it was so funny like it, you know Because never before had I seen anybody like that who was just like You know being honest But uh that that was my first experience with the friday thirteenth movies and then eventually I did see them uncut Um, and you know what the cuts were from what I remember it was something like you know when The first movie when the arrow goes through kevin bacon's throat um They like cut it out by like a few seconds or something like it wasn't really like a lot But it did make a difference when you'd eventually see the whole movie Without any of the uh, you know The the modifications were for the thirteenth movies man because they were cut to hell before they were even released in theaters And then they're cut to hell to watch on tv like those poor movies I feel so bad for the effects people that worked on those later ones because all their hard work was just left on the cutting floor Yeah, yeah, he says that too. He talks about tom savienian. He's like, you know, he's like The the fact is the better job that he did as an effects artist the more they would cut it Well, maybe if he was more of a shitty artist, maybe they would have liked it Yeah, that's funny. Yeah, it just shows how good he really is my mom was the censor She always introduced the horror movies and had the movies on and stuff like that But as soon as there was a little bit of nudity or whatever She'd shut it off or she'd fast forward it or if we were recording like a lot of times We would record the movie and then she'd pause it And let the scene play on and then press record again speaking of that That's kind of an interesting topic is like the parenting with four movies Like uh, we wouldn't mean justin were kids like man, we pretty much were able to watch almost anything There was the odd movie like we rented um, Andy Warhol's Dracula And when my mom noticed it was uh, pretty much a soft core porn. She's like, ah, you shut it off But uh, you know, we were pretty, you know, we were able to watch almost anything But how about you james are like were your folks pretty much like go go have at her or were they kind of restrictive? Yeah, well, it was so gradual. I think it it it kind of it Just naturally, um, you know, I was able to watch some I think really I kind of was just watching it at the appropriate age I think when you're normally supposed to I mean, I guess I was like 15 watching r-rated movies, but but still like it's like by the time you're 17 it's That's only two years away. So it didn't really matter much But I think it was just that it was so gradual that um I think they were more concerned about it giving me nightmares and stuff like that when I was really young But then as I got older when I started watching the halloween movies I remember like The the gore wasn't really a prop There wasn't really like a ton of gore and there wasn't really like a ton of nudity either But whenever there was like You know a sex scene it would become Very awkward like oh jeez. I hope nobody walks in right now Watching, you know, yeah, it would just become like oh those those were what I was like, you know worried about um Because you didn't you didn't see anything like that you would just kind of like Pop in a movie and you don't know what's gonna happen And you're just you're just sitting there and you're just like like oh, shit. Should I lock the door? Like what's going on? Like, you know, am I allowed to watch this, you know Because my friends and I we'd pass tapes around like sometimes we would um We would rent movies from the video store And if you had two vcrs you'd copy it and then you'd lend it to a friend Like, you know, it's the same with like, you know music with audio cassettes back in the day back to collecting You got quite the collection. We have an okay collection probably compared to you But any anything you're still missing like from your horror collection that you're like, man I still don't have this. It's like a holy grail that yeah You need to have in your collection that you haven't found yet You talk about like rare tapes like uh, you know that movie uh tales from the quad dead zone It's supposed to I think like last I heard that vhs tape. It's like like a thousand bucks or something It's crazy. Yeah One of my holy grails is just more silly stuff like You know, like the the dead pit vhs with the you know, the 3d art Yeah, or frank and hooker talking vhs stuff like that like cool stuff like that There's a talking frank and hooker vhs. Yeah. Yeah, I think you press a button and it's like, do you Are you're looking for a good time? Yeah, I just want to date you want to get I think it says you want to date Yeah, that's a movie right there. That's insane Frank and hooker is a fucking I think it's like a b-movie masterpiece. It's so good and it has no right to be that good But it's well frank in and water man. He's You know, he's schlock master bill Murray said it's the greatest movie ever made Well, you can't argue with bill. Yeah, he's got to be right Yeah, I mean what other movie has exploding crack. Yeah. Yeah Exploding hookers. Yeah You see the the pov shot of the legs going in like the lab Like all the mannequins just blowing up How about you Justin? What's your holy grail vhs tape? You still you still need in your collection There was a guy on marketplace maybe last year that was that had hide and go shriek Oh, I'd be a good one to have and he was only asking five bucks for it and I've been looking for that movie forever I love that fucking movie and then I contacted him He's like I wanted three out of three movies that he had and he had two and he said sorry hide and go shriek his soul It's like every five bucks every five bucks When did you start having like horror influence in your creative output? Did you like we're like us and made horror movies in the basement as kids? Or did that kind of come later when you started the the nerd stuff? I think the earliest really That I can think of where any kind of horror movie Um Influenced me. It was king kong Which is more of a you know fantasy adventure film, but uh I would do all these little like puppet movies with puppets and action figures And it was basically like a remake of king kong and I did it more than once actually um Sometimes I would use ninja turtle figures whatever I had around. Yeah Yeah, so but it was basically like the plot of king kong because they go to an island and stuff Have which really I mean there's so many movies that ripped off that that same concept. So It was really I mean it became like a genre after a while And how old do you think you were at that point? Oh that that was like 11 or 12 maybe the same age as us when we started doing little shorts and stuff like that and like His grandma's basement and my my parents basement and stuff like that. We do ghost busters and Evil dead and shit, you know It's a zombie movies and shit like that, but we're lucky we had each other Did you have someone that you made movies with in the basement or was it just all you and your toys? Yeah, yeah, my friends in the neighborhood would always uh, you know They just accepted this weird hobby that I had and they would come over and we would make movies with them But you know sometimes if it was just me Then I would I would do the puppets and action figures But when whenever uh friends were around I would use them I would make them act and everything and uh, do you remember the names of these silly movies you'd make? Oh, yeah, I mean well, I mean spirit. It was just called spirit. It was like a ghost busters rip off basically Um, the king kong movie that was a escape from monster island. That was one with the puppets and everything There's also return to monster island Of course you need to return it Snicks that that was um The the the series that I made when I was young Uh Yeah, snicks. I mean basically and it was sort of a little bit of a slasher because it involved like a masked Character, but this mask was what possessed the person It was like the mask belonged to this ancient demon warlock named snicks You put the mask on you become snicks, which is another kind of you know trope and horror, you know the possession aspect um So, yeah, there was all that kind of stuff. Well, we made a um a horror movie for a Project in junior high. Yeah, which I'm surprised They played it too Like with some sort of open house in the junior high where parents could walk through and they had our little horror movie Playing on a tv outside all swearing and everything I remember watching the teacher because we remember we screened it for the class first Yeah, and like there was a bunch of parts where we're like son of a bitch God damn all this stuff and the teacher was like You could see on her face just But she never stopped it which was and she never said anything to us either actually It's just let it let it go I know when we made movies in the basement, you know, there's there's some destruction to the house Sometimes the holes in the walls broken chairs Yeah, yeah hurt again neighborhood kids that we got involved got hurt and started crying Did you encounter any of that? You know, did you end up wrecking shit and accidentally hurting your friends making these movies like we did? No, I remember one time we had to take my sister to the hospital after one It was uh, that was from a battle at the blood bath, which was never finished I like never finished That was it. That was like the scene that ended the movie because like it was like a supposed to be like a It was the shitty martial arts flight of me and my sister Neither one of us have any idea of like You know stage combat or anything like that. So um, she's just like goes to kick me and I'm supposed to like block it and when she goes to kick me she like sprained her ankle when she kicked me and um Yeah, yeah, so that that that was the end of that and Yeah, I had to take her to the hospital explain what happened and it's like well, it's yeah, it's like well It's on video Yeah, you can't explain it away like you hear it anymore like in costumes and stuff Yeah, we're lucky. We've never sent anyone to the hospital. I don't think no, but we did get in trouble a lot Like and then like there's one video that uh, what was that that evil dead thing that we made where Like we're all thrown or each other around throwing our friends around everything you hear all this shit breaking And then you can hear my dad from upstairs. What are you guys doing down there? He was all mad and then the after when they left man. I got it like I got in shit like that's enough of that crap It's enough of that crap that you guys are doing down there. It's like Yeah, okay Three desert island horror movies that we can't live without Yeah, you need these horror movies if we go into a desert island if that's all you got Do you want me to go first if you know if you know I kind of I could probably I could probably sort of Okay, so I think the first one for me would be the 78 dawn of the dead I think that's a must. Yeah, that's a great one the thing Which uh thing the the 82 Okay, Halloween I think Halloween so Halloween dawn of the dead and the thing. Yeah. Yeah 78, uh 1978 was a good year for horror. Yeah James, you know, do you know your three? Yeah, I'm look I'm looking at like, um One of my old lists right now, but I think I'm gonna I'm gonna say night living dead. First of all, it's just like kind of You know, which one? Uh, oh the oh the original lives and it yeah, I was just uh independent and it was just uh, you know It has that low budget feel to it and it's it's black and white So it's it's classic, but it's also kind of modern at the same time Because if I say like, okay, if I pick something universal horror, then it's like, well, which one There's so many, um You know, I mean I'm just gonna say Frankenstein meets the wolf man because that's really like the first like Monster mash the first like crossover Um, I hate how that movie ends. Well, they all end the same way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but it ends so abruptly God damn. Oh, they do they all end up propped. Uh, you know what movie has a really funny ending Um, uh Frankenstein created woman because the last scene She just jumps off like a cliff and then Frankenstein just walks away like oh well, and then the credits just roll like immediately It doesn't it doesn't waste any time at all So I think I probably have to pick a hammer since we're talking about it. Um, man, that's tough though That's really tough. You know what have a horror Dracula. There you go. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah Yeah, so that's your three your three horror movies. You can't live without For now. Yeah Yeah, yeah Man, I don't that's tough. I think I'm with Justin with dawn of the dead 78 I think that would be one of my desert island horror movies Probably return of the living dead, too I was gonna say that that's just because it's so fucking fun and talk about rewatchability If you're on a desert island, you only had a couple of movies to rewatch. Well, it's got to be rewatchable Yeah, did you mean a return living dead also or return living dead? Two no also not two. Okay It's got an awesome poster, but the movie in it It's funny too because that book that adam bought me a book on that Uh on the whole series and it touches on number two and like the director They got about halfway through the movie and the director was like this movie's shit Like he knew it was shit and then so that's where they get that's where you get the uh, Michael Jackson zombie at the end Yeah, because the guys were actually pushing him for that for the whole movie and he was always like no, this is serious movie No And then after he was just like this movie's garbage do whatever you guys want and then that's That seems to be the case for a lot of directors. They're pressured by Yeah, but anyway, sorry case and you got one more to go one more to go man Fuck okay, so don't the dead return of the living dead. Okay. You gotta get away from the zombies here That's a good run though right there. You know, I might have to choose As much as I love halloween. It'll have to be a carpenter flick and I'm gonna have to say christine Yeah, yeah, I love christine. That's the movie I can watch over and over again So those might be my three just off the top of my head. Oh, you know evil dead two has got to be up There's oh, I know again. I talked about rewatch ability right Yeah, that's the movie you watch and it's over and it's like it feels like it's been half an hour Yeah, it's just so fucking fast-paced. Yeah, it's so quick Yeah, just watch that last week actually evil dead two it like It it left such a big impression on me considering how late I saw it because I was like in my 20s at that time By then I had seen all the you know nightmare in elm streets and the friday 13s and everything I feel like I've seen every like Major horror movie that there was so At that point Nothing was really like impressing me anymore I saw the first evil dead and I liked it, but I wasn't like, you know blown away or anything And I I didn't bother to see the second one for the longest time because I just figured well sequels are never as good as the the first one so Um, you know, but then eventually I gave evil dead to a try and I was just like holy shit like this I've never seen comedy and horror Done like this together like so well because there's really not a lot of movies like that and I think the second movie is what really gave the evil dead franchise its identity and then Yeah, and after that I was like man, I want to make movies like that I want to make like these crazy zombie films like it really like got me fired up Um, so I think that was a really like the last time when something When I would I would say a horror film changed my life. It was that that movie I remember before army of darkness came out when I'm pretty sure we watched it together Evil dead too and that part where you know at the end where he goes back in time and all that Oh, I hope there's a fucking sequel and this was when paper view was a big thing Yeah, and I remember being in the living room and and the tv was on and playing or whatever And I saw the fucking trailer on paper view for army of darkness and I was like Holy shit, they did it. Yeah, it's like they did that's the same. See I didn't but at the time I didn't Fully know that it was a sequel to evil dead because it was a different title. Yeah, but it was the same guy, right? It was Bruce Campbell, but I was like that's gotta be that has to be a sequel I was like and even so it still looks awesome anyways. It's like fuck. This is you know, blown away That's amazing. Yeah, I haven't heard from anybody who's seen it like when uh, you know Like because by the time I heard of those movies they were all you know out for like a while So that's really cool. I hear like Having that suspense with that cliffhanger You know Yeah, because they had to have done something you can't you know And evil dead to the way they ended it and not do something with that You have to do something with that ending. You know, yeah, the best days of horror might be behind us. Maybe Um judged by some of the output we've seen lately But anything that's happened in the last you know decade or so decade like any movie that's really kind of like, okay, that's That's a classic That's a classic horror movie. Yeah hereditary. That was a good reason. You can't use the same answer twice Yes, I mean get out. Um us like those jordan peel movies, uh Don't breathe was really good. Yeah, there's been some classics in the last couple of years. Yeah But I think they're they're they're they're more spread out. They're not as You know plentiful as they once were. Yeah. Yeah, it's not like you're gonna have like You know a year where it's gonna be like, oh, there's this movie then there's that movie. Yeah, I feel it. It is spread out Yeah X in pearl I really liked and a lot of the asian stuff too like, you know train to busan I think is a classic. It's a great classic zombie film. Yeah Parasite was amazing The sadness was pretty crazy too. So a lot a lot of the asian stuff. I think is Better than a lot of the north american output at this point, right? Yeah, I gotta see more of that. Yeah, see I'm That's a hard question for me to answer because I don't I've been burned so many fucking times with the new movies that most of the time I refuse to watch new movies That's just the way it is for me. It's like it's I I know it's a stupid thing like it's you know, I'm kind of bearing my head in the sand and all that type of stuff But I just can't it's just so hard for me to you know, a new movie comes. I was like, oh a new horror movie Whatever Yeah, I'm just so jaded and that's what it is. I'm so fucking jaded. You gotta listen to kwato Open your mind That's too high can't I'm oh now that's something I saw as a kid Total recall the free to operate kwato. Yeah. Oh god. I mean that it comes out of the stomach The whole scenery pulls that fucking thing out of his nose Yeah And for some reason I think that if any other actor had to portray that it wouldn't have been as terrifying as Arnold because like the way he does it and like Something about it. It's just like It just really bothered me because he's like Because when he acts that scene, he's really like And I'm like fuck like you feel it and you see it like it's all the light and everything coming Appears like it's gonna pass down there And when he's on mars and like his eyes are bugging out in like the dream, you know, that's crazy I told recall is fucking terrifying. I wonder if they just use that same dummy head from terminator just for Are there any movies that both you guys like New movies that are coming out or that you've seen recently that you're excited about Any horror any new release horror movies that you know, you can get pumped about I'm not pumped about anything in the pipe except for the third movie in the x series, which is maxine I'm super excited for but besides that, you know, we're gonna go see exorcist believer to review it But I'm not excited to see it. I'm I just I'm I'm excited, you know, yeah, let me know how it is We will But besides maxine that's the only thing I'm excited for james anything that you're looking forward to seeing in the future That you know is on its way Oh horror related, um Off the top of my head. I don't really know any I do know that there's a five nights at freddy's movie coming out Which I am kind of curious about I wouldn't say I'm like psyched about it, but I'm I'm definitely interested. So I think I'm gonna try to check that out Justin I got nothing Are there any sequels to horror franchises that you'd want to see made or like a Any kind of reboot or like a new installment to something existing I don't know. I've got I'd love to see, you know the collector. Have you seen the collector james? No, oh, no, you haven't seen all yeah I'd love to see there's there was a sequel to that And there's been a third one kind of there used to be talks about it in the works and then it kind of died out I'd love to see where they could take that. Yeah. Yeah a sequel to a movie I know you're talking about dr. Giggles Bellary drinks dead though. So we can't do a doctor. You got dr. Giggles sequel would have been great, you know um No, I don't want to see any more fucking sequels, you know, I'm sequeled out I'm rebooted out. Give me something. Give me something new. Yeah, you know Give me something, please. I don't know. I'd like to see another versus movie because they're just so rare to come by Yeah, yeah, yeah, like I don't know like, uh Leatherface versus Michael Myers or something like that like it's just It's a shame that you don't see that kind of thing more often because I I mean Crazy to think freddy versus jason's 20 years old now um That movie I remember like blew my mind when I when I saw it because you You just didn't see that those things happen. You still don't and it made a lot of money too. So you're Surprisingly No more god made considering how much money that fucking movie made. Yeah That was interesting too. They tease you at the end of jason goes to hell because freddy's glove comes up and I remember seeing that too on paper view again And I remember seeing that and I was like, holy fuck They're gonna They're they're gonna have a battle. They're gonna do something in hell or whatever and then it took years You know it and then it sort of became like Legendary like you they talk about like this movie had like this myth status like oh, yeah There's gonna be a freddy versus jason like no, there's not gonna be a freddy versus jason They're not gonna do that and then they did and it and it just like it delivered And and that's it No more nothing else like that. There's a lot of mixed reviews on that movie. I like it I think it's fun because it's supposed to be fun and silly, you know, exactly. That's not a fucking serious Yeah, what do you what do you? Yeah? I mean, I'm talking about when it came out like I haven't seen it a very long time, but uh When it came out it did the job. I mean, I'll also say like I I liked h2o when it came out But after rewatching it it doesn't really hold up Not in the least You got me a book the unmade halloween sequels called taking shape part two, which is a very interesting book It's all about the halloween movies. It never got made, you know, they went to kind of Pre-production maybe and then it got scrapped and whatever but because um freddy versus jason was so successful and mere max I think at the time had Halloween and they had the hellraiser franchise. There were several Michael Myers versus pinhead scripts floating around but it's like they just couldn't like because they're so totally different, right? They're like a different completely different world. Well, then again at the same time, uh, you know Jason and freddy are very different too Like a lot of people kind of before that came out was like how that how is that gonna work because freddy is like in a Dream and he's like, you know, he can do almost anything. It wouldn't be a fair fight It doesn't make sense. But they made it make sense as much as they could. Yeah. Yeah They did make it work, you know to their benefit. They made it work the best they could Is there anything kind of fun that you have planned for halloween evening? Or are you just gonna chill out? Oh, uh, let's see. Well, uh, trick or treat with the kids and then Probably when everything's all settled. I mean probably gonna like try to watch like One of these movies that we may have already talked about it might be halloween and might be Some one of the go-to. Oh, you know, it's a go-to is a trick or treat actually that that movie's it's good Yeah, that movie just fun. Yeah I'm gonna be decorating the house and handing out candy. Yeah. Yeah I'm probably gonna take my little one out for trick or treating and then When I get home when she's whatever will spill her all her candy on the floor She can go through it. I'll put halloween three on Yeah Well, thanks for coming on james. I hope you had an okay time. We did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for having me Yeah, no problem. And uh until next time keep drinking. Yeah None of that rolling rock. Shit No Okay, take care james All right, say it and we'd like to give a big shout out to our friend mark miller who actually got all this together Yeah, yeah hosted it on stream yard We've never been able to do it without you and you also did the Guitar solo for our trash or treasure theme. That's right. Which is fucking awesome So if you want to check that out, he's got his own youtube channel All of his music is on there for corruptor the link will be in the Description so check them out and until next time keep drinking