 RCR with Paul Brennan, Reality Check Radio. It's time for our political panel this Friday morning here at RCR, Reality Check Radio. And in the house, Cam Stader is back. Hi, Cam. Hi, Paul. How are you? Good morning. Thank you. I'm good. Olivia Pearson. Oh, good morning, Paul. Nice to be here again. Nice to have you. And Marie Baskie in for Marty Gibson. This morning. Hi, Marie. Good morning. Good morning. How are you? I'm good. Thank you. We've got so many things to talk about. Let's rip into it. And we start kind of with an international story that I'm sure many people have been following. And this is Nigel Farage really beating up Nat West Bank. Olivia, what do you make of this? OK, they picked on the wrong guy, right? They so did. I didn't they just what a great way of putting it. I was having the same thought. So Dame Allison Rose, note the dame. She only got that recently, I think 2022. She got the dame hood has now admitted. She's, of course, CEO of Nat West Group, which owns all these banks. She's now admitted that she is the source of that leak to the BBC reporter. And she has resigned. She broke client confidentiality and is clearly unfit to be a CEO of Nat West Group Nigel Farage. I love the comment he made yesterday. He said in a tweet, he said, we bailed them out as a result of their greed and stupidity. And in return, they make vast profits like 35 billion quid a year. And we get repaid by bankers closing branches, eliminating ATMs and not wanting customers whose businesses involve taking cash. Many thousands of people have their business accounts closed and people write to me in absolute desperation. So she's gone. Farage has just, I think, done a really good act for humanity here because now he's said that he is going to take this on and defend all those as he says, tens of thousands of people who have been debanked in the UK. And what else can matter as he points out, if you don't have a bank, you're de-personed as Lee Williams found out in New Zealand. So here's the other funny thing is that Dame Alice Rose was the first ever female CEO of Nat West and she broke confidentiality of the customer's private banking information and political views, fed it to the BBC reporter and then tried to lie her way out of it when Farage stood up for himself very publicly. And as Jerry Hayes said to Jacob Rees-Mogg yesterday on GB News, the ethics of it or lack of them, I mean, it's so disgraceful. These people are acting now without any ethics all round, leaders all around the world. Ethics have died as a personal virtue and it's just horrendous, but so great to see a win for Nigel Farage on this. Well, what I think is funny about this whole thing is they've yet again, the elites in the UK have underestimated not only the low rat cunning of Nigel Farage, but his resolve and his intestinal fortitude in the face of a despicable attack really. And what he did is just a brilliant case study of lining them up, setting them up and then taking them for a fall by drip feeding the information that he had. He already knew all this information and he just drip fed it so that he could get the denials. And it's like a little bit like some of the stories that I've run in the past. You never ask a question about something that you don't already know the answer to. And he set them up brilliantly, got them to lie, then presented the evidence that they had lied and then it all cascaded from there, which led to a total destruction and a total vindication on his part for his part and everything. And it's a salient lesson that many politicians and elites forget and every now and then a Nigel Farage pops up and actually just smacks him in the throat. They should have seen that coming. Shouldn't they? Like, oh, he must have the information with best affairs up right now. They were not dealing with a stupid man. It just shows you how stupid they are. Well, that's that he just lined them up and you're right, Paul, they should have seen it coming. They should have said if Farage is doing this and saying this, he must have the information and it was just beautiful to watch. And I sat there when it first broke and I thought there's more to this. Just wait and the importance to the fact that in the UK they do have GB news. So there is a platform that will allow this to break. How many stories like this in places even in this country don't get broken because there isn't a platform to there's nowhere here for that to break. Really, it's here. So that just shows you the yes, that shows you the importance of creating alternative media like this. To actually make sure that the truth has at least a modicum of being able to get out there and people being able to hear it and good on Farage. You know, I think he's he's just to me. This is just more evidence and proof that we need more free speech. We will break said would have been brilliant training for him. Yeah. Yeah, I was always angry at Farage for winning Brexit and then retiring from politics on the one hand, you could, you know, I understand that he'd done just such an incredible service to Britain with that whole thing and he never really wanted to go into politics, but found himself the man that needed to stand and he did successfully. But you always I always knew that they were going to turn so nasty, nasty, nasty and it would be a hard thing to actually get through the whole EU Parliament and he took the sabbatical after that he rested on his laurels is what I'm trying to say and it was a great mistake. You might have needed a break, though could have been exhausted. He did, but it was it was I could you imagine Winston Churchill doing that? Oh, you know, got the guys back from Dunkirk. I'm just going to take a break. You know, okay. Yeah. What does it say about this might be controversial, but I thought female CEOs would have a lot more empathy and care a lot more about. Why would you think that, Paul? Customers. Yeah, to be a female CEO, you're it's the exact opposite of having empathy. I think that you have to be you have to work so much harder to get because I'm thinking of all the leaders, you know, there's I can think of a whole lot of names and it hasn't come off too well. Oh, no, you see this everywhere. But I'm not saying guys are any better, but you know, those banks would have demanded a female CEO because it was all, you know, ESG. Yeah, ESG diversity coaches. We need a woman at the helm and this is where they land you just like the first act of female voters in US politics and history was the Volstead Act to ban or liquor. It was a desire when you get women on a bloody social crusade that absolutely terrible in politics actually. I'm not going to say a word. No, I'm not saying more either. Well, I'll say it for you. More men, less women. I'll give you two words that counteracts that Margaret Thatcher. Well, she was a freak though. Yeah, you can't have outliers that it does happen and and and she was very unusual and look how she was so knifed by the lowest moral midgets in the end. That's what happens. But she still held her head high. She did. She was brilliant agreed on that one. Are we done on Nigel Farage? I don't think we'll ever be done on Nigel Farage, but let's move on. Blinken coming to New Zealand. Let's not forget that Blinken was the guy who got the 51, well, there were 60 actually, but 51 so-called security experts from the security community to sign off on the Hunter Biden laptop being Russia Russian information just saying he was the guy. Oh, he's an awful person. I mean, he's not a great secretary of state. Let's just say that. But interesting, I don't think New Zealanders understand what any of this means. I mean, it's actually hard for any of us to get our head around because they are trying to insert America in there at the moment. And we are torn between a traditional ally that let's face it has done really good things for our country going back to the Second World War. Long time ago now or Petas against China. And that makes it, you know, really dangerous. There's a national peace network called World Beyond War and they've done a big press release saying that Anthony Blinken's visit to New Zealand is not old fashioned sports diplomacy as Nanaia Mahuta said, but actually it is quite sinister because it's binding us closer to NATO in a way where they're extending NATO down into the well, Indo-Pacific, which means us. The Beyond Waters, Beyond, sorry, the World Beyond War co-founders, they've got this global movement to abolish the institution of war itself. I mean, I think it's kind of stupid to call war an institution. I mean, was a necessary and needed, you know, often. Sadly, they are great. Well, no, but you could never have removed Adolf Hitler without a war. We could never have defeated, you know, a tyranny in many, many instances without war. You can't just go and talk nicely to tyrants or dictators and tell them to quit. They don't do it. So sometimes you have to use a gun. But it shouldn't be a business model though, should it? Well, no. But remember that we were warned about all of this. You know, when Eisenhower retired from being finished as second stint as president, he said, you know, we've got to be very careful that we don't allow this, you know, in military industrial complex to take over this country. And on the whole, that's what's happened. It's taken a few decades, but they've done it. Absolutely. And the industrial aspect of that is the salient part, I think, because that's what we've seen with all this fascism with big industry media included that is connected to the military, ultimately, because they're the, you know, the status, the repository of force. But don't we have to be very careful here because the United States blew up the Nord Stream pipeline of their ally. Okay. So they did that to their, their faithful ally. They're using Ukraine as a bad as an outsourced battlefield. And, you know, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians are dying for nothing because they're not going to win. We will. We had an interview recently with a chap in Sweden who's in New Zealand, but he's a professor over there. Saying, watch out, New Zealand. You could become a proxy battlefield at some point. Yeah. It was probably involving China. Well, I was just about to say that, I mean, China have been infiltrating throughout the Pacific. I mean, Winston called this what eight years ago when he put that billion dollars into the Pacific and he was everybody jumped up and down and were like, why are you doing this? Winston, why are you putting this money up there? He was putting the money up there because if we didn't, if we didn't put the money up there as New Zealanders, the Chinese were coming in. You just need to go to any Pacific Island and see the investment. I was in Tonga in January. And the first thing you see on the wharf is this this brand spanking new wharf and and Plark saying kindly donated by the People's Republic of China. Well, you know, I'm from Fiji. I was born there and I had a falling out with Baini Marama over a number of years because of his, you know, really toadying to the Chinese. And, you know, it even got to the ludicrous extent where they're building this massive new hotel and apartment complex and they hadn't built the foundations properly. And the thing is literally leaning and for a while there was all stopped, but presumably there was, you know, some large bribes paid and then construction started again. But I would fully expect that building to fall down in 10 years or so, but the Chinese have been into Fiji big time. And that's the main reason why I was supportive of New Zealand and Australia ditching their sanctions against the Baini Marama government because all we were doing was forcing Fiji to look elsewhere for assistance. And where they looked, it was straight into China in the Chinese. You should see the embassy there. It is massive. You should see the hotels that are owned by the Chinese now in Fiji. They've been bowling over mangroves and digging up things and they just seem to get away with everything. And it's just insidious. Yeah, but who's worse? Well, see, so this is this is the thing. It's the problem, isn't it? I mean, yeah, that is the great countries that we mean, the Americans aren't rocking up and building no, but I mean, the world beyond war co-founders, right? And I would like to see who wouldn't a world without without war. I mean, come on, this hacking people up, shooting each other to death, bombing and what the Ukraine is going through at the moment. It's so ugly. You know, when you unleash the dogs of war, you unleash something very barbaric in the heart and the actions of man and no one wants that. But, you know, these right here on wanted. Locky Martin wanted. Yeah, you know, they do, but world beyond war co-founders Swanson and Hartzah, they, they, they, they were saying that we need a global movement to abolish the institution of war itself, not just the war of the day. If war is to be abolished, then it must be taken off the table as a viable option, just as there is no such thing as good or necessary slavery. There is no such thing as a good or necessary war. They're both abhorrent, but I go motherhood and apple pie and completely unrealistic Olivia. It's I know this, but, but, but what if people are seeking to put us useless eaters back into slavery? Is a war to stop that a moral imperative? I would say it is. No, we still have, we still have slavery. It's just called wages now. I mean, there's still shackles and manacles. I disagree with that. Can I work for wages? I would call it welfare. Well, well, well, it's the same. That's Marxism. Wages is slavery. Well, it kind of is. If you're, if you, uh, most New Zealanders are a payday away from bankruptcy. And so they keep on going to work. And it was exactly the reason why the vaccine mandates were so awful, right? Because they said to people, if you don't get this jab, you can't have your job. And if you don't have your job, you don't feed your family. You don't pay your mortgage. You don't pay your rent. And so you are a slave to the people who control the system because you're not free to make the reason why I was able to sit, sit, stand there and say, no, I'm not doing that. It was, yes, I've got some principles, but I had the freedom of being able to choose because my lifestyle and my livelihood was not dependent on a vaccine or anything else that a government dreamed up. I mean, they could have said, um, you need to now have a digital bank account in order to have a job. Well, that's where they're going to get people into the slave system. And shouldn't, if you, if you've being oppressed at that level in the end war is the only thing you can do to fight that. Yeah, and the, and as Cam pointed out, it, it was morally right that Winston Churchill made war on Germany after he didn't start it. They did. Um, what? Well, Neville Chamberlain declared, well, I mean, they came in because Poland was invaded, right? So, and in the first world war is because Belgium was the British empire twice have gone into a world war on the basis of defending an ally. You know, when they had a commitment, they meant it, uh, to, to, to another nation state. And the two world wars proved that, I, I say that with venom only because I've had someone recently saying that Germany didn't start any of the wars. And I didn't nearly died and died, but that's actually quite a comment. You know, they think about that. Yeah. Well, it's revisionist history. And the motions going on. But here's the thing though with the China again, is that we're awfully compromised because of our position and trade, um, which is so huge for us and so irrelevant to China. Um, and you know, we are living in venal times where everyone is viable. So we either choose between being allied to the United States in the hope that, um, we get better leaders from the United States like Trump again. They can't rely on that. Well, we're going to have to, we're, we're going to have to buy our milk powder. Well, we can survive without, you know, why don't we keep our resources for our own people? Why don't we start there? I don't think we could assume that much milk powder, could we? You're starting to sound like a New Zealand first supporter, Olivia. New Zealand first. Well, people will accuse us of autarky, won't they? Yeah. Um, but, but sometimes autarky, when the shit hits the fan and the global sphere, you need to pull back to what your own country has on offer. And if that's autarky, I'm all for it. Well, it's, it's my default position. I'll defend with my life things that, um, you know, that are dear to me and mine and everybody else can go hang. And that's kind of what I, I mean, I used to be a globalist. I used to think that world trade was the way out of this and way out of that. And if we trade with China, we'll convince them of the merits of democracy and all of that. And, and, you know, I've been woken up to that in the last three to four years or five years, might even be a bit longer. And I'm, I'm a nationalist now. I'm thinking about New Zealand first and thinking about what we should do here. I agree. And a good example of that, a classic example of that is that we're importing all of this dirty coal from Indonesia when we're sitting on mountains of, of clean, much better coal, but we're not allowed to dig it up because we've got lunatics running the asylum. You know, self-loathing lunatics. Yeah, self-loathing lunatics that won't let us use our own God given natural resources in this country to bet for the betterment of the people of New Zealand. And, you know, on the weekend, there was a question asked of, of Winston Peters about talking about sovereign funds. And he was saying, well, you know, some of the sick and the Navy and Norway in particular, when they found the oil in the North Sea, if you look at how, how Scotland and the UK dealt with the oil royalties and how Norway dealt with the oil royalties, they're completely different. They saved everything, didn't they? The Norwegians put it into a sovereign fund and they're sitting on trillions and trillions of dollars that's making the life of their citizens better. Well, we did the same thing as the UK did with our oil reserves that we've still got sitting there and plenty more that are there. There's no such thing as peak oil. There's plenty of it there, but no, we're not allowed to use it. And then all of the oil that was used here or brought out ironically by the Muldoon government has been squandered and wasted and we don't have that sovereign fund that's giving us those royalties from having those natural resources here. And it's, it's, it's lunacy. It's funny though, isn't it? Cam, how Muldoon was so excoriated. He was derided, attacked by the, you know, the left. He was right when he said, think big, we should be able to provide for ourselves. We got physical stuff. Well, all of their electric cars that they all want us to drive are all powered by think big projects. Yeah. Go figure. And I think the average Norwegian citizen because of that fund is worth, I think over two million US dollars, every single one of them. Well, well, I'd rather have think big from an economic nationalist than have think big from globalist. Existing from globalist just transhumanists just just means pouring money into Bill Gates is there's a lot of things small going on. Yeah. Okay. Have we, well, Blinken, I mean, not a nice guy, gotta say. Well, I mean, a little rat-faced weasel really. It's just like here, America, this government of Joe Biden's right. Well, they're falling over. How long do you think he'll last? I'm giving him a lot of not very long. I say a month or two at the most. I don't know about timing, but yeah, it's not he'll end up not being able to speak, but whoopee we get Kamala. Woohoo. No, they'll put the guy from Los Angeles in California. What's his name? Yeah. Yes, and he'll come in as vice and then they'll do a switch from the socialist Republic of California. Yeah, they've won. He's doing so well there, isn't he? He left his heart in San Francisco. Well, it can't be Michelle Obama now. Now that they've got trouble. Michael. Martha's vineyard. Yeah, Michael. What with the poor, the poor paddle border? Anyway, we won't talk about that. We haven't got time. Michael, big Mike. Let's move to Kitty Allen's car crash and it's more than just a visit. Well, it's almost a train wreck now, isn't it? It's a total train wreck. Honestly. At a certain level, I feel sorry for her, but you know, I feel sorry for her because I believe that she's been thrown under the bus by by the Hipkins Ministry by by his people in there. And it's a useful distraction from a whole lot of other things that are going wrong is particularly David Parker, who's flexing his muscles over increasing taxes and things like that. But that that kind of sympathy for her situation kind of runs out when, you know, when she doesn't run out from the police after the yeah, they get the dog unit out to track her down. She's got a reputation around Wellington of being a bit of a party girl. You know who I am. Well, we'll see. This is the thing, though, is that we we're dealing with absolute mediocrities. Narcissistic mediocrities handed the largest powers and biggest portfolios. I mean, for goodness sakes, she was a justice minister. Justice is a great virtue and the minister without that virtue ought not to exist. We don't expect perfection, just a strong measure of integrity, but that's too much to ask. But she said in her own words, I failed failed all those who put their trust and confidence in me. I've let my electric down, electorate down and my party down and all those who relied on me. That that's it. I mean, that is she said that herself and that is completely true. I would only add that she let the wider New Zealand public down for bringing such an important office like that of justice minister to such a low standard. You know, a bit like the where Mayor of Wellington just recently did these clowns trample the actual rank of what that office is, and that's the really awful part to me because remember the old military instruction, you salute the rank and not the man. Yep, that used to be in play with politics and sunny days also, but no longer. It's the rank that mattered because a person of integrity would have been elevated to that rank. But now they're just clowns with mental health issues coming out their ears and one break up and they're running away from this. See, that's that's the thing that galls me the most, right? We all know people who have had had issues with mental health. I mean, hell, I'll put my hand up and say I've suffered from depression and things like that. But there's a whole lot of personal responsibility to get thrown out the window when we start making excuses and saying, oh, mental health, all this. And then the other thing that's so cringe worthy was the media bending over backwards to start this this wahine Maori and there's so higher standards applied to them and well, come on. That's rubbish. I mean, go back to the Muldoon years when when, you know, they had drunken ministers that were outed in the newspapers. Who was that guy? Oh, look, I'm trying to remember it. Yeah, it was probably Rob Muldoon. Guy from Tauranga. Well, Muldoon used to drive drunk and I know that for a fact, you know, and then there's the snap selection. Yeah, the tater is always brown. But but but in this case, it's like, oh, OK, so Kiri Tapu Ellen's Maori. She's a woman. She's she's a diversity, you know, lgb to your alphabet person. So I know that's OK. We can just, you know, mitigate her behavior by saying she had too much pressure. That's why she driving. It's it's ministerial cars. They can be shown. Well, that's the other thing. Yeah, that's the other thing. That's the other thing. There's like why didn't she have VIP transport? Why didn't she know how to use Uber? Every drunk trolley dolly around Wellington knows you can get an Uber in Courtney Place for five bucks to anywhere else. An Uber, but the post and they the post revealed that Ellen's chauffeur threatened to quit in twenty twenty one frustrated with her last minute. Can you know who that is to? I know who that is. That's Ellen Ellen. It's her uncle. It's her uncle. Oh, OK, right. So she but she's had multiple complaints. She's got had multiple complaints of bullying and, you know, overbearing behavior. And, you know, if you talk to these people like this, I learned this very early on in my political career, my mother used to invite in the drivers of all the ministers and everything that they would leave sitting out in the car and she would say, like, come downstairs, get into the pool room and have a cup of tea and I'd go down there and why did I learn a lot about that? Have some great stories. But they all said the same thing. They didn't like having Labour in power because they treated the workers like them like rubbish. It's always it's always the it is always the lower classes that treat other people in a role and a work role shabbily. Well, so OK, this is where I'm sorry. I've been quietly sitting in the corner here. I was just about to say Marie. She comes here. Here we go. OK, the thing with Kiritapu isn't one of the lower classes. Kiritapu is from the highest echelon of Maori elite. She has been indulged, handed to. I don't think she's had no said to her day in a life. She's breezed through school. She's breezed through university. She's been one of those probably not a Chardonnay socialist, but she's probably been, you know, something. She's she's been right at the thick of all this affluent student Marxist politics. She's been out and had funding to do whatever women fancy that she wants to do ideologically, which has gone and led her into politics. She has led an absolutely charmed life as far from any my young woman in this country can live like herself, for instance. And so she would possibly be saying, oh, no, but I'm here to aspire young young woman. This is the pressure. This is the cross that I have to bear. The reality of it is she's had absolutely everything handed to her on upon the moon platter and she's stuffed it up. So that's brown privilege then, isn't it? Yeah. Oh, with with a side order of puha. I can tell you how come Chris can say she's at the top of her game. He said she's at the top of her game. Well, it's not much of a game. Then is it? Well, that's the Prime Minister saying that with the guys, an idiot. There's I mean, there's there's those young those young politicians have this air of elitism around them. Tori Fano fits into this category. I mean, she's she has exercised similar behaviors and then you look at the ones that are slightly older, but the behavior is not bad. I mean, Portal Williams, mecca. Well, you know that there is an attitude. From your area. Well, Coasties, but they just I just get really frustrated with Kiritapu because she she had so much. She had so much to offer. There was so much there that she could have done and she she stuffed it up. And sometimes you've just got to whether it be in business or in life when you've stuffed it up, you've just got to put your hand up and say you've stuffed it up and you've just got to grid it out. She's not done that and she's she's I just think she's got and created this perfect world around her. Everyone has pandered to her and she's gone and inflated herself beyond I would be worried for her now. Yeah, I would be worried for a very I hope she heals her broken heart. I hope she regains her health, happiness and her senses. She clearly took leave of them. Human beings can be very fragile when they're in pain, but we're now dealing with total mediocrities in office rather than the high moral fiber. And I guess that's the part I agree for. Well, I mean, that's the thing. What you said, said there, Olivia's is perfect because, you know, I went and picked up Jamie Lee Ross literally out of the mental unit at the hospital and you know, a broken man whose entire car crash was live on television pretty much apart from the train on the tracks. But people said to me, well, why did you do that? Why did you go and help them? The guys are dirty and all of this sort of stuff. And I said, well, he was a mate before he was a dick and and you have to go and help your mates even because because who else can you rely on? Yeah, exactly. No, and and you know, I mean, the other thing I just want to say is that breakups are very painful some for some more than others breakups can really really undo you as a human being. Okay, you put yourself together and but love comes with the price and when your world is invested in another person and that all comes to an end, it is very, very difficult. I always have sympathy for people that are going through a breakup, but if it drags on and on and on and on and on, then it gets a bit painful. Then then they're the problem. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, everybody has has these issues that come up from time to time and it's not the issue that defines you or the incident that defines you. It's how you handle the incident and the issue that defines you. And that's the problem here is what Kerry Tapu Allen has done is showing a lack of total a total lack of individual responsibility and you know, she's basically when confronted run for the hills that literally in this case run from the hills from her mistakes and and she does need to front up to that and she does need to deal that and she's going to have to deal with that in in the justice system now because that's how bad it's got, but it should never have gone that far. Ironically, she crashes into a vehicle right outside a was it a high justice officials? I think I think there's more to come on that. Oh, okay. All right. So she completely broke. Didn't she? She broke. Oh, is she heading that way? No, I mean, she. No, no, I was just responding to Cam's thing more to come. Was she heading that way that? Yeah, I think we're going to find out. Yeah. I think we're going to find out that there's some connection there because it's look it's there's some rather cute things that have happened like there's the photograph of the car taken from the house. You've got the video that was then published, you know, two days ago. There's a connection there somewhere, you know, and if you look at the angle that the car is on and you listen to the explanation, it's almost impossible to see how the car ended up where it did. And so I think we're going to find out a bit more information about that. And we've seen you wouldn't leave it in the middle of the road, would you? Well, you just got out of it and ran away. Yeah, but I mean, that's a traffic hazard right there. Someone come around the corner. Where am I? Oh, well, that's the thing. Mind you, it is Wellington. There's nobody around it. And Willie apparently called was on the phone and you think he said, don't drive. Just don't drive. Willie Jackson chiming in that way he did. He reckoned it wouldn't have happened had he been in Wellington. God, he's so sanctimonious at times. So sanctimonious. But here's the thing. I guess there's a certain high profile radio presenter that won't be offering to drive. Kiri Tapu Allen anytime soon. Okay. And we can't say the name because, you know, name suppression, but. Well, I just hope she gets her mojo. It stays out of office. It's easy to work that one out, by the way. Okay. Okay. Let's move on to Billy TK and Vinnie Eastwood upcoming appeal against their sentences for peacefully protesting considering that guy who went crazy with the guns in Auckland downtown had done what he had done and was at home with an ankle bracelet. So just saying. Well, I mean, I, you know, coming on the back of what just happened with Kerry Allen, it's instructive because, you know, Vinnie, Vinnie Eastwood and Billy to Kahika to Kahika. Could you correct me on that one, Murray? The case comes up for appeal against sentencing on the morning of Monday, the 31st of July. There should be absolutely. Try not to swear. No question that these two men do not belong in jail. They do not belong in jail. Guy Hatchard wrote last week. Sorry, yesterday or today. Last week, we witnessed with horror the murder of individuals in the shooting of policemen in central Auckland. We now know that the perpetrator was under home detention for very violent offenses committed against his whanau during this detention. He was also allowed freedom to go and work and attend work. Contrast that with the current jail sentences against Mr. Eastwood and Mr. Kahika for minor actions that do not involve any violence. I was at all those protests. I went to every single one through the lockdowns and they were so mild and peaceful. I just cannot understand that anybody at those is now facing a prison sentence because they want to send a message, Olivia. Yeah, other than because they want to make an example of them and we should not put up with this. Um, look, I've got no I've got no truck with Billy TK or or even Vinny. I've met event with them. It just look, they're just people that are that are out there protesting against a tyrannical government. But the way that they've been treated is akin to the same way that Brian Tamaki was treated. They were just prominent people that they decided they wanted to smack with a big stick. Yeah, can't we just move on from all of the stuff? Yeah, they're continuing to victimize people. They have been treated worse than a person with an ankle bracelet on who strangled a girl. Yeah, has been treated. That's and and who was justice minister then? Was it Carrie Ellen? Who came before? Well, there's been five of them. So, you know, it's a bit of potluck really. So no one will take responsibility, but it's just disgusting. And I don't I don't I don't agree with anything. You know, I mean, they're on the same side with the freedom stuff, but they're not my T-cup. So to speak, Billy TK and Vinny Eastwood necessarily. But the point is that they haven't done anything worthy of going to prison over. And what are we just going to sit back and watch our flipping fellow citizens go to prison? What can we do? Well, you know, I mean, we're going to complain about it here, but what can we actually do? Well, you got to be careful, too, because you're dealing with judges now and they're really precious. And so if you criticize a judge in a particular way, you get the likes using the exact same example of this rat bag who shot two people because he got sacked from his job. If you criticize the judge, you get these hand-wringing articles in the Herald saying, oh, it's terrible. They're victimizing the judge and well, they're siding. They're siding, aren't they? Yeah, that's the problem. That's right. And but the judges themselves, if you criticize them and you do it in a strong way and they get a really upset about it, there'll be a morning tea at the Northern Club and they'll work out how they're going to do you over for contempt. And there isn't a judge that you can go before that hasn't already agreed to the whole thing. Gosh, okay. Wow. All right. Well, time is all I know is Billy TK has personally spent $97,000 on legal costs. That would cripple any of us. Well, that's part of the strategy as well. You bleed them dry. That's the penalty. That's the punishment. Yeah. The process is the punishment. Law fear, I think it's called. Yes, I know I've been a victim of it. Okay. We've got a couple more subjects. There's the just oil or stop. Oh, can I do this one? Just stop oil. Let's be quick on that because we want to get to cry, baby Kate. Yeah, well, these just stop oil people. We've got them here in New Zealand. They go and sit on motorways. These are the people that glue their hands to the road, glue their hands to the road and, and everything. Desecrate art. Yeah. And listen, they're doing it in the UK. And in the UK, you do things like this and you get these splendid people who decide to create a counter organization. So they've got just stop oil. This counter organization is called just stop pissing people off. And, and, and they just did the name. Yeah. They've just decided that they're going to start doing to, they just stop oil people the same things that they're doing to the general public. And what they did is they kettled some of these activists who were on one of their slow marches. What does kettled mean? Well, the police have a tactic in the UK called kettling and they surround you and give you an exit. And so you end up like the spout. Yeah, like a spout of a kettle and you're surrounded by the kettle and the only way out through the spout, you go through the spout and you end up where they want you to be. Yeah. So, so these flew to the road. So these, these new counter activists kettled these people and, and had them surrounded and taken off them off the highway and, and, and had this all for about 30 minutes. But the most spectacular one they did is that the just stop oil people had a big lunch at the Heritage Centre in, in Bow in East London and they infiltrated it and released these balloons with helium in them, but attached to each balloon was one of those panic alarms that they mostly women carry in their purses and things like that. And the place that they had it just got this enormous vaulted roof in the building. And so these helium balloons with these piercing sirens. Floated up into the roof and drowned out these Luddites really these fools that are, you know, running around with plastic signs. Do they ever stop to think that their signs were made? Well, no, because I'm a zombie. I've seen the videos. I've seen the videos and they're in a zombie state. Yeah, and particularly the older women. There are quite a few older women in these protest groups. Sorry to go back to that. But they walk along like they're, you know, they've been hypnotized. It's mass formation. Yeah. It's another form of mass formation. Yeah. Yeah. And it's gotten worse since the end of the pandemic because the way to cure people of one mass is to give them another. So this is why this, so they've gone and transferred a lot of these feelings into this new mass, which is why these climate nutballs have come up out of the woodwork because of that's where a lot of the ones, where do all the COVID activists and COVIDians go now that most people are over COVID? Well, they've told us where they're going. They want to have lockdowns and these sorts of things to help arrest climate change. They've said it out loud. Yeah. Yeah. Susie Wiles said, what's she called it? Soft power, didn't she? That COVID was soft power. It's a bit rich coming from her. She's pretty soft. Well, I mean, you know, the idea of using soft power on us in order for us to be ushered into out of power over climate change. Well, that's they're all part of the whole because it was endometriosis last week. We're on to climate now with her. She should just stick to glowing. What is the genius? No, well, that's okay. If Susie needs a new cause, actually, could he single now? So maybe we could set them up matchmaker. I've seen her with a guy in the supermarket. I don't think I know Susie's married. Well, that means nothing these days. He's a skinny bloke with a man bun. I saw him pushing the trolley in the supermarket. Of course he was. She was doing the shopping. Of course. But these oil protesters, stop oil protesters, seriously, I really mean this. When they go in and desecrate art, great works of art, I just that just makes me so insane with rage. I just can't believe they get away with that. That's the mass formation kind of thing. The ends justifies the means. Maxis, someone's going to have a go at them at some point. Although they already are in Australia. They're doing it. And, you know, there's a brilliant video that was posted last week of these women that were sitting on the road and doing their blocking the road. And then along comes this woman truck driver and she just gets out of her truck and she walks over to the first woman is there and grabs her by her hair and just drags her out of out of the way. How delicious. And then gave her a clip on the way through as well and then gets back in her truck and drives off. Yeah. Or remember that woman that was trying to get her mother, I think, to the doctor? This is in London and she touched them with her Range Rover. She actually, you know, I'll run over you. I'll run over you. And she did actually touch it with her. She got done, of course. Yeah. But that's what they deserve. They do. I mean, I'm sorry, when they when they desecrate art, as far as I'm concerned, they deserve death. Okay. It's been extreme hell of a year. No, no, that is that's on the record. That is so evil and wicked and beyond our own. They think they're doing God's frame. That that is they think they're doing God's work. This is the problem. Well, they don't believe in God. Well, somebody's work. I would love to see some of our great inventions. There are people that have invented many times energy that doesn't need oil. I'm happy for oil to die if we get something else. I got no problem with oil. No problem with oil. But they're not letting those inventions go through to actually being produced. And perfectly natural substance. My view on climate change is that I think that everybody in New Zealand should have the right to be able to grow pineapples and mangoes in their back garden even in in vicaral. So I think we should have more global. I actually interviewed someone about that a while ago and it is possible. All right, we're short on time. Are we here now? This is crybaby Kate. Is this the spinoff piece. This is the spin-off piece. Yeah. Okay, Marie. Okay. Kate Kate Kate. I'd have her from the Disinformation Project, which I have seen on Gringer U.S. No, I have said on record that she's the only woman I know who's got the grandstand view of the inside of her own anus. She is somebody who he has gone and she has written this piece essentially and actually some of the piece I agree with. Shocker. And it's around again, speaking out about the silencing of women, which is something that in counterculture I spent a lot of time talking about, the silencing and the erasure of women. So I saw this headline for, oh, actually, maybe we might find some common ground. I fear not. Essentially, the entire piece is around it is setting it up days out from the consultation period for the online censorship laws, which closes off in a few days. And I think this has been quite deliberately put out as a justification, a soft justification of why she wants those laws. Along with the RNZ series, just saying. Yes, exactly. So there are articles, a paragraph in here, women have told me they've refused to speak, refused speaking requests, TV requests, and as harassment always has spiked if you've been in the news. There is a critical need to understand the growing use of technology to stalk, threaten, hack, and ultimately silence high profile women. They tried to do that to me with Nikki Hager's dirty politics. Have you got to scan? I know. Moves. Moves. So she's, so the entire piece is literally a Crimea River of that being mean to me online. Well, that's what the RNZ series was. First episode is all about politicians feel feeling insecure. And you know what? I just, I have to admit, I, this gets makes my blood boil because I have been on the receiving end of all of this. And in terms of she's sitting there saying, well, it's because you're a mad knitter, Marie. Yeah, well, you know, that's that's a whole nother story for a whole nother time. But she is, she's ringing the bell, essentially, that she is she's a she's someone has spent all her time playing with matches out in the public sphere. And now that she's been burned and she's not liking it coming back the other way. I've been out there. I've been done that I've had people rail down on me. And I can tell you right now, she's claiming it's a misogynist movement. Misogynist might ask women, women do it. It's women that do it to other women. And they've always been doing it to other women. And she is she's not liking it. She's feeling it. She's everything that she's done here. She's encouraged herself. At the end of the day, she's the architect of this design. She's gone and created this framework. And people are now starting to rail back and push back against it. They've had enough. They're sick and tired of playing the sick hunger games that her and her little elitist buddies have set up. The tributes have turned around. They're going, no, we're not playing by these rules anymore. And she's she's not liking it. She's not liking it. Do you really think she's not liking it? Or she kind of perversely enjoys it because it keeps her relevance level of relevance going. It's a level of narcissism. There is a level of narcissism. Yeah, absolutely. And she's sitting there. No, and she's sitting there complaining about all her little buddies. Like she cites Jacinda. She cites Susie herself. All these other journalists, these unnamed sources. And it is so awful. The having to self censor. Well, maybe there shouldn't be tyrants and bastards. Well, I'm sitting here and I thought to myself, well, what about people like Katie Hopkins? What about people like Naomi Wolfe? What about people like Ian Hussier Lee, you know, who's got bodyguards, you know, Barry Weiss. There's lists and lists and lists. Barry Weiss. But it's not just women. Like go and have a look at the people. Go and have a look at the people who reply to some of my tweets or X's or whatever. They're really nasty. They go trolling through history and finding a picture of me getting knocked out by a professional sportsman, Jesse Ryder, in a charity boxing event. And they post it there saying, is this you? Is this you? Yes, it was me. I raised $15,000 for Kidscam by getting my face punched in by Jesse Ryder. What did you ever do? What did you ever do? And then another one. Is this a picture of you? You're fat. You could lose weight. You've haven't dodged any more. No, exactly. But this is what they do. And you don't hear me carping and whining about it. After that little rat face, Nicky Hagger wrote a complete conspiracy theory filled book about a whole lot of stuff. I was vilified in public. I had, you know, media camped on my doorstep. Did I moan about it? No. What about when you had just stroke and Phil Gifford got on the radio and went to town? Yeah, went to town and hoped that it hurt and a whole lot of it. He said you deserved it. You know, I deserved it. It's just a nasty, nasty man. But that's someone at your level camp. I mean, I'm not even there. I'm a knitting lady who has a video. That's right. And I've even had it in terms of cancellation. I've had Instagram profiles completely set up entirely to try and destroy me. I've got a police file, a police file number. I've been to NetSafe. I've got put this prep today. I actually thought I have a file that I keep of all the abuse that has been sent. I gave up on it for me years ago because I don't have a spare warehouse to keep it all. So I had cast my eye through it. I haven't looked at it for a long, long time. And I just looked at it and I thought, oh, really? And to me, it just puts this piece, this crybaby piece from Kate Hanna. And I look at this and I think, you know, darling, Winston Churchill once said fear is a reaction courage is a decision. She's reacting on fear. And you know what? She needs to just put a big girl pants on and start finding some courage because that's what the rest of us in New Zealand do. But obviously she lives in Aotearoa and she likes to cry about it. What do you think the future is for people? She's in a library tower. What's the future for people like her? And where are they going to end up? And where is it going to wash up for these people? Well, what she's doing really is just crying a river of liberal tears so that she can put that into that little hand base in it, so she can rinse her hands of all the people. And purify yourself. You know, it's just bollocks. Where are they going to end up? They'll end up where they deserve to be ended up, end up when their funding is cut. Auckland University needs to come clean on who's funding them. Maybe we need to change the government. But this is all about keeping funding going, isn't it? It's all about keeping funding going. Because she does all of this in order and then they pull out those softball RFPs. So then people like them can keep going. And the reality of it is that they just love all of this. They want these online censorship laws to go through. It's really, really important. Everybody out there, if you haven't put a proposal in, we've made it easy. Go to defendfreespeech.co.nz. You've got until the 31st to do it. We need to actually show them that with that is not on. Because if that goes through, these sorts of conversations won't be able to happen. Conversations like Nigel Farage and the debate won't be able to happen. That's the reason why I keep harping on about why we need to have a cantankerous scallywag in a rascal put back into Parliament. Because that guy keeps lists of names for people who deserve Utu. And Kate Hanna should be on those lists, along with most of the media for their public interest journalism fund excesses. There needs to be a media Utu and a disinformation project Utu list so that when they get in there and say, no, no, we're not funding that, no, sorry, you need another job, goodbye, see you later. Mike McAway for the police from the firearm safety authority. He should be high on the list. SFO put them on there as well. But where was Kate Hanna when we had to experience absolutely off the charts hate directed at people who refuse to violate their own autonomy? That was okay. That was all right. Because we were purveyors of mis and disinformation. They called us murderers. They made lockdowns our fault. And they say genocide quite a bit too. But remember, Olivia, you were othered, you were boycotted, you were blacklisted. And we was Kate Hanna then when that was happening to you. She was probably cheering it on and holding a picture. She would have been cheering it on. And the worst thing is when I got all those death threats and had to get a detective to come to the apartment to wade through my computer and all that stuff. The worst comments were from women. You know, always from women. I mean, you know, I've been called everything under the sun. My particular favourite was homophobic because that just cracked me up because my best friend is gay. And Heathick thought that was hilarious. But it was all women. 99% of the people that threw abuse at me were all women. And these are women who are all in this cult of social justice. And I tell you what, the line between ally and asshole is absolutely way for frequent. Can I just do a Kate Hanna impression? Because the way she speaks just irritates me so much. Tell me how good this is. Hello, I'm a very intelligent, credentialed expert on white supremacism in the far right and the alt right. They like she affects this gay man's speech. Well, she is a gay man. I mean, well, maybe it's the other way around. Gays, but this I mean, he's special on the right. It's just kind of sounds like her. Yep. Super affectatious. And when it's like that, that's for a reason, too. That's, that's that let Sanjay mad as a hat or whatever his name is. Where did he come from? Well, he was, he's a Tamil tiger. Yeah. What does he know about New Zealand? Sorry. Nobody knows plenty about terrorism and violence and all from Sri Lanka. That's where he's from. Yeah. He came here and now he's saying, Oh, this wasn't like an alternative news reporter there. Yeah. But he was know all about. He's actually very nasty. That guy. He's super nasty. And that's they are, you know, there's no less and less and less live with these people. They're not going to leave us alone to just get on with our lives and try and make our way. See, we just snigger at them and go, Okay, okay, mate. Oh, they're all right. Okay. That's very alt-right. Yeah. But we just snigger at them and they go on about white supremacists. You know, I've been involved in politics for a long time in New Zealand and I have never met a white supremacist that and if I had met somebody with kind of views, you just pointed them and do the old Simpsons thing. You know, ha ha ha ha. You're a dick. Go away. But, but, but, but it's, but it's, it gets construed really. There'd be 12 Nazis in the whole of New Zealand. They all live in Christchurch and we're, you know, living in a flat. No, but here's the thing Pam is like to make this distinction is that white culture was a superior culture. The Anglo-Saxon world gave us Christianity, freedoms. It was the seed bed that Liberty fell on in America. You know, that was white culture that gave us that and it was superior, far more superior than living in Blumen, Afghanistan. I can tell you that, but so there's a truth in that, right? But what it's been spun at now that we're in the dying days of democracy, very liberal democracy, anybody that loves their culture and happens to be white gets called a white supremacist and that playing with the language and and marking you out in that way is so insidious. Well, it's the, look it's the Goebbels playbook. You find a sector of society. You demonize them. You label them. You demean them. Then you start passing laws against them. Then you start controlling what they can do, where they can go, who they can associate with, what businesses they can own. And eventually you put them in trains and you march them off to the death camps. It's a very deliberate process. It's been proven over and over and over again. It was done in Africa with the Hutu and the Tutsi, you know, in Rwanda. Exactly the same tactics. And we saw that exactly. It's almost like Jacinda Ardern said, well, I need some ideas about how we can control the population. Oh, just go to the library Goebbels, Joseph Goebbels. Oh, yes, here it is. Here's the book. Yeah. Well, actually, they consulted Klaus Schwab. And women are the sharp end of the spear. Women. Look who did the Paula Penfold. Okay, she did that thing. Susie Ferguson. Okay, she does that. That's exactly the same. Because you're a bad bear, April. Well, I just wonder, I was supposed to be so such a better world with all of this, but the other tip of the spear, Kate Hanna. Susie Wild. There's too many women in political crusades. There's too many women. Probably get shot for saying that. They don't think objectively. They don't think long-term. They think emotionally through a very strange female. And as Jordan Peterson says, reputational damage is their number one thing. And that's probably why I only abuse it here. There is a reason that the successful world was run by men. Women found a productive role in the world that men gave us. That's the truth. And Camille Paglia has said that till she's coming, till it's coming out of her ears. We women found a productive role because men had made such a great civilization for us to come out of our homes and have washing machines and dryers and fancy things to go out and be able to have nice jobs. But women never give that credence. It all started to go downhill, didn't it, Olivia, when we gave women the vote? I actually do agree with that. But you were never going to have the modern world any other way. No. All right. I think we're done for time. And that's a good place to end it before we get lined up and shot by someone. And that's not an invitation, by the way. Our overladies will have stern words. But look at that. Women are great with community organization and all the rest of it. But what I'm talking about is these things that seek to have power over people in politics. Like the CEO of that NatWest Bank that did that to Nigel Farage, she is not an objective thinker. No. She had an emotional reaction on the guy's politics and then sought to take his bank, well, was happy for his bank accounts to be taken away. And happy to talk about it with anyone. It's interesting, Olivia, you say that. If you ask a policeman or police person, a police officer, if you ask a police officer who's the most vicious and nasty fighters and users of violence, they won't say game members. They'll say women. And if you've ever seen a few drunk dealers having a fight in the street, it's nasty. Broken a few up at my time in nightclubs. I remember who wrote Once For Warriors, Ellen Duff. That was a documentary. Oh, okay. Yeah. He said the same thing that the visual aspect of women brawling was just so disgusting growing up that it was, it's just so undignified. You sort of expected it from men, but to see women doing it was just so bad. It's left a scar on him. Okay. Let's leave our political panel right there for this Friday morning. Really interesting. A lot covered. Thank you so much for Marie for coming in. Really appreciate that. Oh, you're most welcome. The big fella will be back next week. It's good to have you with me, Marie. Yeah, there you go. And good to see you to Olivia and interesting finishing up words there. And Cam Slater. Thank you, Cam. No problem. Thank you, Paul, for having me this morning. And as always, I've enjoyed it. Cool. Let's do it next Friday. RCR with Paul Brennan. Reality Check Radio.