 Is it John Ralphie? I'll go back to you. Back to you. Hello everybody! If it's Wednesday it's Warhammer and that must mean it's time for another episode of Warhammer Weekly. This time I'm joined by John. Hey everybody! And Adam. Howdy. And we're going to be talking about this reveal thing that's going on, I don't know, one of these directions for myself here in this area. We just did the Nova Open thing. I'm still waiting on it to say it's actually live. There it is. Okay, cool. We're good. We did it. We're good. We're live. It's all fine. Everything's fine. But yeah, so we just came from that show. I'm going to pause here and say, all right, let's start with our standard thing. Overall score, one through ten. One being it was a terrible, awful, dreadful experience. Ten being it was the best reveal you've ever seen in your life. It's just going to be scrolling by the way up there as this is going on. Though there shouldn't be any sound coming out for that, I hope. Okay, so I think I said everything else, right? And that they're not making sound up there. Somebody please tell me if that's making noise. It didn't when we test recorded, but then who knows? Pointing towards. Do I keep pointing this way? That way? Towards you? Oh yeah, all right, okay, yeah. All right, over here. Tell me if that's making noise. I don't think we're hearing the two of them right now. All right, so overall one through ten, Adam, total reveal. What do you rate in this one? Five. I mean, the, so what you guys are seeing is different than what we saw. They made a video, Eddie Eccles was on screen and we just watched a video and they just kind of machine gun through like Eddie would say now we're going to look at this and then you would see a thing and then it was a bunch of, you know, music, music, and blah, blah, blah, and then they would go on the next thing. And at the time I was appreciating that, but as we've been looking here, we're not seeing like close ups as much and things. So it's a little bit, but so I'm going to say five. Okay, good answer. Good answer. All right, I like that. John, what about you? I'm going to go a 6.4. 6.4. Okay, there's a couple of big hitter positives, but a fair equal amount of duds in my opinion. Yeah. Okay. What about you Vince? Overall for me, I'm going to go for probably a seven, but that's because I really, really, really love iron jaws. And so like anytime you get something for an army that you deeply love, and it's like, especially when it's like a major expansion for the force, that's actually what's on screen right now. And so, you know, we'll talk about that here in a minute. I'm just letting this play, but we're not going to, we're not going to follow what they're doing exactly. We'll just, we'll, we saw everything already. So we'll just talk through it and they'll, they'll be on whatever they're on. And we'll reference the pictures as it comes up. I mean, when you get an expansion for an army that you really love and you really play and like to paint, it's, that's a pretty good day, right? Especially when it's more than just big pig. We got, we got big pig plus. Plus. Yeah. Okay. So let's move through these in order. Here we go. Okay. All right. So first up, we had 40K stuff. We won't spend a lot of time here, but that already passed on the stream. We can talk about it for a moment. Really what I'd like to talk about with the, the, with the 40K reveal, all the different space marines is people really love space marines. They do. Yes. Because it, you know, when we got like 10% of the releases that space marines get as stormcast in AOS. Yeah. In a very short amount of time, people were like, we're done with this. Please stop. We hate this. This is awful. Right. Okay. These space marines, like I saw them and every time the trailer would start and it'd be like, but also this. And it was just like, space marine with a gun. And then they'd be like, and then this one and it's space marine with a gun. But these other guys too. Space marine with a gun. Some of them have jump packs. Some of them did have jump packs. Yes. Those are pretty cool. Like I've been kind of, I'll be honest. I've been waiting for Primaris assault marine jump pack guys. And so you're happy about this? For the most part, yes. Oh, and the scouts. And the scouts. You like those guys too? Yeah. Yeah. To me, I'm just like, this just all feels like more space marines. I literally, yeah, I, I couldn't muster even the beginnings of care about this, but I'm not the target audience. Right. People in that room were very enthralled. We're excited. Oh yeah. The amount of like, applause and just cheers, right? At every new, like they show the stern guard or whatever. Like they showed these dudes. And that's what's so funny in our video. And he doesn't set it up. He's just like, he was literally just like, and also these guys or something, you know, and, and it cuts them and instantly everybody's like, Oh my God. And I'm like, who are these guys? There was hooting and hollering. Right. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. I have a fun little game that I play with these reveals now. And I think you guys would enjoy it way more if you play the same game. Okay. It's where's Waldo, except what you're looking for and trying to find is the one tiny thing that's different about this space marine compared to every other space marine. Sure. And then when you find it, you're like, there's Waldo. Yeah. The Waldo is he's jumping off the rock this time. He's jumping off the rock and holding a sword. This guy has a little gold helmet and a tablet of some kind between his legs. Yes. Got a little crotch napkin crotch napkin. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, like buying people seemed very excited. Okay. Sure. So that's fine. Yeah. They do their thing. And they're consistently really well done. It just feels like you're seeing the same thing. Now, if you like that thing, there's a reason why they keep making them and it's not because they're not making money off them. Yeah. For sure. You're excited about the thing. Yes. Okay. So then let's let's just I mean the AOS previews up like look at these because we didn't get these still shots like this. And I actually really wanted this still shots. I'll tell you what, I'm kind of upset that they cut together this video. And then there was so many of the miniatures we saw in the video that they film them in like their studio lighting. Yeah. Speed ramping. Yeah. And they've got like the gel lights. Rotating all that kind of stuff. I gotta be honest, I don't want to sit through this at the presentation. I want to look at it later on the web. I give me five seconds of this. Okay. Five seconds. That's all I'm saying. Like the end shot should be five seconds of this. I feel like this reveal on our end here at NOVA was all about like sometimes this drags, we should try to make it go faster. Now, here's the question. Yeah. Do you think that they did this because of the change to the Q&A? I don't know. Yeah. Interesting. You want to talk about that? Yeah, I do. Go for it. So normally what happens at these reveals, no matter where they are of NOVA, Adepticon, LVO, whatever, at the end, then they'll do Q&A. And people who've been doing this for a while ago, okay, that's my chance to leave. I'm going to go now. Because what happens is people ask stuff like, well, when's the next Primark coming out? Or when's what are we going to get plastic sisters about? Or just all these things that they can't answer. No. Like 97% of every question that pops up in a Q&A is a question that anyone who works at GW is like, yeah, we can't answer that question. Right. I mean, not even necessarily because of like legal stuff. Half the time they just don't know, you know, it's just weird questions. So what they've decided to do at NOVA this year is rather than have people kind of sit through that, they just decided we're going to do a Q&A and it's going to be outside of the hall. And we're going to have more than one person, we're going to have a whole bunch of people from the games workshop and we're all going to sit around and you can just ask this question for the next several hours according to Mike, which sounds torturous, frankly. Agreed. Yeah, yeah, but that's what they signed up for. So all right, that's, you know, yeah. So if they poopsie poopsie let the beans spill, it's just to the three people around them. Right. And then hope that those three people don't plaster it on the internet and you don't have another 300 in the same room that also hurt it to guarantee it. Well, that's exactly it because like three people you say something even if they're like, I've got it on good authority did this. It's like, okay. Sure. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Um, he started a line there. Yeah. Sure. So yeah, that was interesting change. Like our video, they ripped through it in like 14 minutes. Like, like here, what is this? What is that? Is that a new book? What is this? Let's say that's a new book. Are we like getting a new Iron Joe's book? They did not mention that at all in the thing. Let's talk about what we did see for AOS. Okay. Number one, we saw Big Pig again. Yeah. We saw the big new troll guy. King troll. King troll who has the whole thing of a jiggy on his back. That guy looked really cool. I thought before he explained it that that was like the thing that the salon sits on. It looks a lot like the thing that the salon sits on. It does. It looks like his thing. I think they're both the same conceptual thing. Like it's a laystone. So it's a place to channel the magics of the like the lay lines of the mortal realms. They had that guy. We got, and then in Iron Joe's, you've got Big Pig who comes in different varietals. Like you saw different builds of him in the picture. You've got the new Ard boys, which we saw there, which look amazing. Like super amazing. So excited about that. And then you've got the two flavors of the, I'm just going to call them shirtless brutes. Sure. Okay. They come in like the three pack. And then you've got the two new heroes. The one we already saw that they preview beforehand with like the tusk face. And then the other guy with the hammer and fire sword and the anvil squid. I'm waiting for someone to do a conversion of that guy where he paints his blacksmith apron as Warhammer Weekly Vince apron. Sure. Nice. Nice. Nice conversion. Yeah. So all of those are very welcome. They all look great. I really think, I mean, Big Pig is truly amazing. We already saw him. I am honestly legitimately blown away by the new Ard boys. Yeah. That. Okay. When I saw those and in my head, you see the old Ard boy kits and you're like, I can picture what a new version of these would look like and look badass. And usually when you do that, and then they come out with a new kit, the new kid is like, Oh, it's like 80 to 90% of his bad ass. I thought it could be. Right. These are better than they would look in my head. 100%. Like, I'm shocked how cool they are. Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. I mean, like, I mean, Adam, what did you, you're not an iron jaws care or person. I like them better than most other orcs. Okay. I prefer if I'm going to pick an orc thing to do, it's going to be them versus savage orcs or non savage orcs or swan toddlers, very calm orcs or any of the other ones, the flavors that they make. Yeah. And I actually own some of the models. I just haven't built them, but I've painted some for Warhammer underworld. So they've done those. And so that's kind of cool. These were, I don't know, the pig is that pigs a lot. There's a lot going on. There's a lot of big boy. He might even say he's a big pig. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I would say he's a lot of pig. And so yeah, that's all I got. Okay. You can be a big pig too. Oh, okay. To answer the question, when has been getting a matching tattoo with ninja on any day? Now I'm going to get the same sleeve that he's got. Absolutely. That's that's happening. Your face. Yeah, absolutely. And then Mo has said, do you all have tattoos? I mean, you two do. I do not. I probably never will. It's not a thing. You want to do one tonight? I'm good. Give me a big pen. Yeah. All right. So and then we got the actual Don Bringer's book, right? They showed that. And so they talked about, with all the stuff, they said, Oh, you know, this troll can be like a troll guy can be fielded in his own troll army or in gets or in gets, you know, same same with like the big pig can lead an army or he can just be in normal iron jaws. And then we also saw in Don Bringer's, the King Broad is going to have some new force that the name giant. So I'm pretty excited for the the second Don Bringer's book, because I'm hoping what that means is that we get some new exciting options for all of those armies. I think that'll be super cool. At minimum, we're going to get all the war scrolls for that stuff, right? For the, you know, assumingly updated our boys, and then the new alternate shirtless brutes and big pig and big pig variants and the two new heroes. That's quite a lot of new scrolls being added to the to iron jaws, which I think is great, super great. Yeah, it was one of those armies, those guys, the flesh eater courts, fire slayers are kind of the notorious outliers of not a lot of option armies. And now I get it that they're kind of throwing green skins together in a lot of ways. But it feels good to add more and have enough of a variety to it as well. Like it's the hard thing with the art boys is that there's only so much design space for making big burly orcs, right, and making them different. Yeah. And there's already like bigger burlier orcs in the rain. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, well, we can't go there. So where do we go? So they still feel like, like very menacing and powerful, but without just like, well, just off scale at 15%. Right, right, right. So overall, that's cool. Very excited about dawn bringers. I'm very excited about like everything iron jaws, like that was the big win for me. I'm going to be honest, because all those things look super freaking cool. I'm excited to add them to my army. It'll be the first time I've really painted my iron jaws since like 2019. It'll be the first time I touched that army. So good. Like I've had them. I've had them for a long time. I knew new rules, new figs. Good fight. Good night. Okay, great. Yeah. So that was basically the AOS stuff, right? I mean, there wasn't anything else. Then we went to horse heresy, which is up now. And I don't care. If I thought I didn't care about normal space marines, and wow, did I not care about this one? Like, I don't care about the robot guy with the little robot arms who looks like a knockoff battle tech miniature. That guy was the only cool guy in my opinion, because like the normal armor and all the normal guys and regular armor and stuff like that. I'm like, I turned you at one point and I was just like, I don't know that these look different than anything else. I don't know. I just, yeah, I'm not super into horse heresy stuff. I really hate their old guns too. Yeah, I just, I don't like the look of it. So it was there. If you love heresy, I'm sure the iron warrior stuff's exciting for you. I don't know it. I don't play it. Let's move on. The neck was cool, but that was right. Now, let's talk about this thing that's up on the screen right now. Because this was super cool. So this is hunters be hunted at X versus seven. I'm pretty sure it's versus Predator. Yeah, absolutely. Spy X family. So this was, this is the hunter people, like these trackers with all their dogs. We love the pets now, right? Yeah, they've learned that more pets equals more money. Oh yeah, for sure. And literally at one point, when people were talking about that, you know, because they kept showing more and more dogs was like, Oh, there's a dog and there was like, Oh, there's a second dog. Oh my God, another dog. Literally saw one of the GW folks like walk like over to talk to another one go. And I bet they probably said we probably should make more dogs. You know what I mean? Because that was literally the answer, I think. So people are very excited about the new dogs and that, but then also what they're hunting is a group of ogre gorgers. That's what it is. I thought it looked like FEC at first like fleshy or gourd. They said they were cannibals. They are cannibalistic, but they're gorgers. So they're ogre maw tribes, people. So they only eat other ogres. Ah, they eat everything. That's it. I mean, it's a good question. If an ogre eats a human, is that really being a cannibal? No, I wouldn't think so. I don't think so. Or does that make me a cannibal if I have chicken? No, that's it. I think that's, I think you're in the clear. Yeah. Is it, is the line same species or is the line sentient? Generally, I guess what cannibal means. Well, sentience is a good question too. They're a very least same species. Sure, sure. So what you really do know that these guys are sentient? Well, they seem intelligent enough. They've formed weapons. So I think that is sort of the marker we use. Like, if you wear pants and make weapons, you're sentient. I'm no great philosopher of history, but that does seem to be the help, an agreed upon term. We brought an anthropologist to wherever we plead to discuss this. But these dudes are great. Like, I cannot believe, so the gorger, I don't know if you two know what the gorger looks like off the top of your head in Obermau tribes. It's a lot of belly. It's bad. It's such a bad fig. Like, it is ancient, ancient. It's not as old as the Skaven models, of course, because those still remain the oldest in the range by far. The oldest Skaven model in the range still on sale right now as a current thing that you buy for your army. I realized this, John, the last time we talked about it is older than Magic the Gathering. The game. Wow. It released a few months before Alpha released. So what, 1993? Oh, okay, all right. Being in the air. 93. Yeah. So is it the Red Ogre, guys? No, it is the Skaven Plate Priest. It's a good trivia question for Tuple. Yeah. What? For Tuple. Yeah, what is older? This plate priest or the entire game currently on sale or CW's website right now? Or the entire game of Magic the Gathering. All right. At any rate, the gorger was really, really old. And so the fact that we're not getting like one new plastic gorger, but there's like, what, four or five? Something like that. In that kid? Yeah. That's pretty great. I also, I really like these Wilder Corpse Hunters or whatever. I don't really care about the fact that we get a bunch of pets. I mean, I like dogs. Do you like Dex? Yeah, I like Dex. I like Dex. Fairy Wink of Blue. So yeah, exactly. The dogs are all cool. I just think they're a good looking crew. Yeah. They don't look overly complicated or anything. And then the gorgers looked really cool, really different and big. Yes. Like that, those big cannibals, that honestly looked pretty great. The only downside that I had on the gorgers is was really in their choice and paint scheme. Like it. They looked very FEC. They looked very FEC. Yeah. And I think there's so much nasty flesh to work with there that they are going to have some great opportunities to paint them, not only within an existing Moa Tribe's army, but to tweak your paint scheme and make it unique. What the hell is that? We never saw that. We didn't see this. This, oh, it's a Moa Pit. We never even showed that. We never got to see that. Wow. Why are we even in the District of Moa? We get less. It's ridiculous. Yeah, we get less when we go to the live show. Like people watching at home, this Moa Pit, this is completely new information to us. Just a single frame of it. This was not shown. Yeah. This is not an offer. Let's say they get in the background maybe while they were doing their cool speed ramp spin around thing. Yeah. Maybe it was behind the meat trees. Well, we didn't see the meat trees, thankfully. Yeah, it was meat tree list. That's the thing that's interesting with this too. We don't know anything about this. Is this a box? Is this little box? Is this? Yeah, it's one of the, it's the full-size box because it's two full-size warbands. So it's the next quarterly box. That doesn't necessarily, like they've done a war cry starters recently that is not a big full-size box. It's a small box. Yes, but those were half-size warbands. Sure. Yeah, but I mean, I don't know, like I think they're kind of throwing stuff in the wall to see what sticks. Sure. You know, they didn't show what I thought looked like a box, but it looked like the smaller underworld size. That's what I was saying. Yeah. So I don't think that would come with any terrain then. Well, it could, like clearly comes with the Moa Pit. Well, or the Moa Pit is separate. That is for, that could be a separate piece of terrain. Yeah. Let the AOS rumor meal start on that. Yeah, for sure. But either way, yeah, I thought all those guys looked good. Really excited about the new gorgers. I'm happy for Ogre players because they did say that those will not only play in war cry, but they will go directly into Ogre Moa tribes armies. And so, I mean, that's great to get a new updated sculpt. Now, if they could just do it for the butcher as well and the slaughter master, those two awful, awful, awful, awful, awful models. Well, how awesome that they've done their new versions of the Moa tribes, the butcher, if and when it comes, will be so freaking amazing. Right. Because that's such a characterful model. I love how the Ogres can't get a full re-sculpt. They're just like getting piece parted over time. Yeah. Right? Like, yeah, just get like one hero, one model, one group, one thing every, every couple months, just like every six months a year. That's just all, again, the reason like people talk about this all the time about like, well, maybe if they made more Zenos and 40k, then people would buy more Zenos and it's a real chicken in an egg situation. Yeah. I would do wonder if it's them going, well, look, they don't sell that well, so we're not going to spend a bunch of time and money, but then people go, well, it would sell better if you did spend some time and money. Yeah. Who knows the answer to that? Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, good stuff. I'm happy to see it. I hope they keep updating the, I hope they keep updating the, you know, the Ogre army piecemeal slowly. Eventually, we'll just have a, it's like a ship of Theseus with the Ogre army, right? In like five years, nothing will be the same. It'll be like one model, it's the same. Is it still the same game? Is it still the same ship? Yeah. Okay. So then next up, we had blood bowl, which was this. This is Scott's game, right? He loves blood bowl. He likes the blood, the better version of blood bowl. It doesn't exist anymore. Never heard of it. Never heard of it. Soccer ball. Soccer ball. Yeah. Okay. Here's my question for you. I don't care about blood bowl. Like, it's not a thing. It's a super cool game and I have a lot of respect for it. The people who play it really love it and the people who design it really love it. I've gone to like talks from the designers of blood bowl before and they seem like the greatest group of people that like super love their job. Okay. I have two questions on this blood bowl vampire team. One, do you think is this too goofy for Scott or would he paint these? Well, I will look at it from my perspective when I first started seeing these and then in these situations, I feel 80% confident that my reaction is pretty on par with what his will be. You see a lot of potential with kit bashing about 15 to 25% of each model to make it awesome. I personally love poofy shirts. Okay. I think going deeper into that like really broke style, just like really hyper gothic Castlevania style is phenomenal. But when then you're like, also you get a spiky football and then it's like, no, yeah, I'm out. That's too far. Sure. You jump the shark on that. So if you can take off the silly, the silliest parts of it and just dig into what actually the really nice designs of them are, I think it's got potential. It is the silliest game that they make. Yeah. It is designed that way. Yeah. People who play it seem to enjoy that. And that's not for me. I understand. You know, but yeah, I do believe that like that when they want to get crazy and give somebody a weird pun name or whatever like that, that's the game they deal with. And I am here for it. I'm glad that one game is still allowed to be fun. Okay. So even though I have no interest in it, I'm glad it's allowed to be fun. It has its own identity. Can we all just say that it's Mutant League football from the second Genesis, from the early 90s, because they borrow and stole that entire game? Sure. Because that's exactly this game. All right. Let's talk about this next thing. It's on screen right now though that we caught up to this because obviously this also peaked my interest. So this is Death Gorge. This is the new underworld thing. Every season continues the trend. Death Gorge. Just I'm going to leave it out there. Two words. We cannot help but keeping this like two word naming thing going and they all sound pseudo dirty, right? Like, oh, I like the Death Gorge. I like the Beast Rave. Beast Rave. Yes, exactly. Yeah, that was the best one I think. This is like a weird crappy D&D name generator. Right. Yeah, sure. Where you get two halves of like generate a map. All right. So there's a chart. It's like there's a chart and they roll D2D20 or whatever. You are a druid. Your surname is Jade a spirit. Like, got it. We're done. And so here's the thing. I think we need to start a pool. Like a betting pool going forward. Like what is going to be the next underworld box game call? Because I feel like there's a lot of money on the line for this. Yeah, this is big stuff. It's going to be a grim clap. Yeah, okay. The grim clave. All right. So then this is Aideneth versus Slanesh. And I got to say these three demonet, they said they're based on all daemonets, right? Like that sort of advanced daemonet type models, like, like herald types. And I mean, I got to say these are weird. Yeah. And I'm kind of here for it. Okay. There's not very much in them that's beautiful. They're a little more on like the body horror side of slanesh, as opposed to the like normally slanesh tries to walk this like really fine line in between horror and beauty, right? Where it's like 50 50 perfectly down the middle. And my favorite sculpts are usually those that like hit that mark exactly. But some of them tilt. Yeah, right. The harp back guy. Yeah. Yeah, that's obviously way more on the horror side. I was interested in the squid until I saw a better picture of them. But let's say let's talk about the Aideneth. You do not like the squid? Squiddy Boy's not for you? I was kind of interested in then I wasn't. Now that I see him like in a better light, not doing a speed ramp, you know, close up, zoom around. Now I'm like, Oh, yeah, no, I don't want that. And the rest of the wet elves, I couldn't care less about. You're still angry about wet elves. Yeah, we'll be for quite some time. That is a golden demon future winner right there, the central character out of this potentially this whole warband. But like certainly that central character with the face mask with the cape and the movement like her staff behind her, the cape flowing out like the main open pose is very inviting extremely open pose. That's what you're looking for, right? That's that's the magic for a golden demon manager. She's beautiful. She has flowing fabrics, different materials, the chance to show the shear thing. She could be part of the unit or alone like future golden demon winner. I didn't have the deep can model there. I think that was great. The photographer can't screw up the picture, which is pretty important right in the actuality. True. Also, my hot take is top three bridesmaid but never the bride best model of the year 2024 squid boy there. Squid boy. Squid boy will will make it will have gotten the votes but somehow a space brain will still have won. You heard it here first folks. No, what's going to win is the last thing. Yeah, it is. The last thing that they're they're going to reveal here. That is what's going to actually win because they're they're not to it yet for you audience but there's there's a one last thing. Yeah. And it will win. It was not the it was not the interesting thing on that. I had a little like idea because an adepticon when we went to the live show, they their big last reveal was oh, by the way, temptation. But they they they fumbled it at the end. They everyone got up to leave because you acted like you weren't going to do an encore. Right. And everyone left like the show was over because they never do on course. No. Right. They did the Q&A. They said okay and now we're going to start the Q&A at a bunch of people who were smart were like, well, I don't want to sit through that because that sucks. And then people who were even smarter were like, they haven't announced 10th yet and I'm pretty sure they're going to announce 10th year. So you sat for a little bit longer and then as people were starting to make their exodus, then all of a sudden I think it was Mike Brandt was like, you know, we might announce something else still though and those people just kept walking. So this time they actually said we're going to have one big thing at the end. Don't leave. Yes. Now let's talk about this model that's up on the screen right now. We're actually timing this quite well. This is happening. We're constantly professionals. Yes. So this is the damsel on unicorn from the Bretonian army. I have to honestly and legitimately say this is the first model I've seen from the old world that in any way moved me and this moves me. I think this model is gorgeous. I've always loved unicorns. The damsel and the damsel on unicorn were some of my favorite old models. I thought they were absolutely gorgeous and beautiful. I painted a bunch of different damsels and damsel on unicorn from my Bretonian army back in the day. Still have them. They're all just, you know, that's set aside. So they're all still on squares. They're old world ready. But I think again, we didn't get that picture. Oh, we didn't see that. Look at that. Yeah. Give us five seconds of this picture. Honestly, this picture is worse. It is, but still like just give it to it so I can see it straight, right? It's it's a different paint job. The other one is clearly I think it was just lit differently. I think it's that differently lit. It's a lot warmer light and so everything yet turned yellow. Yeah, a little bit. Well, the other light was doing it a lot of favors. Well, it was not so much, but nonetheless, I think this is an absolutely gorgeous model. I think this is a good re sculpt of this thing. I think the damsel and unicorns awesome and unicorns are awesome. I, I'm excited that they're putting the effort into the sculpts of the old world stuff because at the end of the day, some, yes, some, to me, at the end of the day, amazing new sculpts of fantasy models, I can find a way to use them in a us. I can find a way just to enjoy painting them. I can use them for my D&D game and a lot of great stuff or stuff like this. I will say, I really want to see closer up pictures, which we did not get at how much of your positive reaction is to this unicorn sculpt, which is phenomenal and this possibly shaky sculpt of the damsel herself. Because the stuff I saw, I was like, there's some weird stuff going on with her. Oh, nice. There's all the versions of the thing. I have a bunch of the, I have a bunch of the second one, the middle one. I don't have the oldest one there. Yeah. Yeah, you're not wrong, John. I mean, here's my take on it. Okay. My problem with this, with the old world is the following. That model, let's assume that she's actually really strong. I think the dress looks really good. I need to, you're right, I need to see a close up of her face, but I'm just going to give it to her. Let's say she's in eight plus. Okay. Like great model, great sculpt. We nailed it. So we're going to have that and we're going to have that new foot lord, the foot paladin guy, right, that they've showed before and like probably one or two other new kids. Sure. Yeah. But everything else is going to be. And then they're going to be riding alongside, yeah, the original Knights of the Realm from 2002. They were sculpted and putty. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. They look like so horribly out of place and I'm just like, why? Oh, and then by the way, they'll also be next to like up against some metal figs or resin figs from another army. They're also from the early 2000s. That's the thing. And I think that as much as people who are interested in the old world or say that they're interested in the old world, as much as they go on about it, I think when they sit down and start to look at their army and get some amazing looking sculpts and then a bunch of old stuff, they're going to be, I think, unfulfilled. It's just so incongruent, right? To have those old Knights that are like very average sculpts to be generous and to then have the view that beautiful new sculpt next to it. Right. It's just like, ugh, it's like it's a it's a handbrake turn. So yeah, I don't know, man. I continued to see I'll continue to keep my my my powder dry on this. I wanted to be successful. I want it to be amazing. Let me state that 100% clearly. What I want is this to come out and be awesome. And everybody who is excited for it to get everything they dreamed of and more. That is what I want. I'm just not sure I'm getting that feeling. Sure. No, I've got no hate against it. I'm not against the idea at all. I'm not interested personally to myself in any of the models, but for people who are into that kind of thing, I'm hoping that they get what they want. I want to take some of the new Cities of Sigmar guys for Age of Sigmar, and I want to give them weird guns that shouldn't be on them and do one kitbashes and stuff like that. And maybe I could even find a model like that that's also in that's a new model that's within the old world, new old model and do fun stuff like that. But for the most part, it's not for me. And I get that. But I also do worry that people who this is for are going to feel that this kind of dichotomy of like the old, old, old models versus some new ones is going to look a little weird. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. All right. You want to make a joke? Yeah. Because we're over to this guy. Okay. So the last thing, the big grand reveal of the show was the big model we've all been missing. It is Man Rathi. It is our favorite, our favorite leader of the Snake Girls. So here he is. I didn't know who this was. But then again, I'm not super into Primarchs in that I actively dislike them. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I just so when I saw this, I was like, I don't know who that guy is. I don't know. But people sure were happy about it in the audience. They were crazy. People were very excited about this guy. Yes, absolutely. So, you know, like this is Fulgrim, the Primarch of the Emperor's Children, the third, sure, third, whatever, they got the three. And so this guy, when I first saw this dude, I was super excited. And I was like, here's the thing. Many years back, when they first came out with like sort of the very first return to Primarchs, good and bad. And they only made like two of them. And I was like, why are they not printing these guys like one a year? They should be printing one Primarch a year, right? Because if they introduced back one Primarch a year in 40K, that's just that feels like a money printing machine, right? Yeah. For now, the problem is there's not enough actual like Primarchs they could legitimately bring back, I think, in 40K. Like they'd run out too quickly if they did that. Well, it was only like what, 18 or whatever? Well, a lot of them are like dead and not in the story anymore. And you can like... That doesn't mean you can't make them off. Sure. They can like, they could, you can narratively loop. But if they keep doing that, they'd be like, oh, also this other dead Primarch is still alive. And also this other dead Primarch is still alive. For sure. People are like, people really do love the lore and the story of 40K. And if like, you can pull that trick a few times, you can't pull that trick endlessly, right? So when they first showed this model, I was like, oh, sweet, Fulgrim, like I love slanash stuff. Fulgrim is a super cool model. You know, it's clearly full. And I thought, oh, I can't believe they're going to bring him back for 40K. That's a really weird choice because he's, you know, like, but I mean, demon people can always come back. And then I saw the Horus Heresy logo and I was like, oh, right. And that's when he said that, like, one of the final things that he said was, you know, part of our Primarch's ascended series or something like that. So remember, over many years, they did all the Primarchs for Horus Heresy, like the early Heresy partners, like the start of the war, right? So you saw versions of every Primarch, what they looked like at the sort of beginning of the Heresy, right? How it started, how it's going. Exactly, you got it. So you saw just like, where they basically all just look like dudes. And I do mean dudes, because like, why would any of them would not be dudes? So they're all just dudes, right? And then now you had Horus ascended, right? And I didn't, I didn't cotton to this that what they're going to do now, what they figured out is, oh, wait, we can print a second version of every Primarch, as they are at the end of the Heresy at the Siege of Terra. Marvel Comics did this in the late 90s. It was the 2099 series. Yes, sure. Right. But like, and forgive me for not knowing a ton about the Heresy, but like it makes sense that the, the Chaos Primarchs have a different, this is not even my final form kind of situation. Yeah, sure, sure. But like, how did the other ones change the good guys as they were? I mean, I think just mostly like a little more, their armors, like some of them are portrayed. It's kind of like, they had beards. Yeah, no, like bigger, more more resplendent, I guess, by the end, something like that. Not necessarily as much of a glow up. Yeah, just good. But I mean, still, people are going to be, are going to probably have a preference or decide that they've got to have both. Yeah, but you're right. It's really the Chaos ones that went through like, right, exactly. The big changes, you know, like what Mortarian looks like at the beginning of Heresy is very different than what he looks like, say now at 40k or at the Siege of Terror or whatever, right? So, man, Zach said Dorn is just a skeletal hand. Yeah, exactly. So, overall, that was a perfectly fine, cool thing. I think some people will grab that model and make it their Marathi. I don't think you're wrong. Like, you know, they'll, they'll do a, people who like have a different story and it's a perfectly fine Marathi substitute model. It's cool. Yeah, it's really interesting that when they showed that model. And if you don't really know the character in the lore really well, I didn't know if that was fantasy or sci-fi. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right. And maybe there's a benefit to that, right? So, that gives you a lot of options. As we were leaving, good friend of the show, Martin Orlando and I were chatting and he was like, um, so that's 30k. I'm like, yeah. And he's like, uh, so that's resin. I'm like, is it? Not necessary. I don't know. But something that big with those kind of wings, man. I think he said, I think he said, Horace Ascended is resin. Horace Ascended is resin. Yes, it is. So, I'm immediately turned off. Now, I will say, so I did put together and paint Horace Ascended and it is, it was one of the smoothest resin experiences from GW I've ever had. Like it was actually high quality, crisp, good resin, like like what you would expect from an actual professional company using resin. Okay, sure. Okay. Because we've all done resin managers. Like you and I, John do resin managers all the time in, in dis, from display companies and they're really good. Sure. Yeah. I'd like to do resin like normal, like kind of, you know, tabletop war game figures, like from anvil industry and stuff like that, but they're not like six inches tall. They don't have giant honking wings and like lots of parts that have to fit together very, very, very specifically. Yeah. Yeah. And so like that was honestly an extremely pleasurable experience. There was only like, I only had one minor sort of fit issue with Horace Ascended, but for the most part it was crisp. The details were sharp. It was, it was what I would expect from a professional resin experience. Okay. Like this is the thing, if you or I go to buy, you know, something from like big child or mine works or journeyman managers, those are all resin most of the time. And we're not, I'm like, I expect nothing but a high quality sculpt. Yeah. Right. But would you hear the words games workshop and resin? Yeah. Panic. You're right. Because they're just traditionally so bad at it. And it's just, it's shocking, but that one was really good. I assume they're like tooling up their resin facilities to actually be able to deliver this stuff. So I just, and it wasn't so much that I have zero faith in their resin going forward. It was more than, if I know it's plastic, I suddenly feel much more, you know, stable about it. Of course. Especially with those wings. The wings are the real sketchy thing. That is, that is sketch. That is super sketch. All right. That's it. That was the reveal. I don't know. What final thoughts do we have? Adam, start off with you. What, what, what final thoughts do you have about, about all that? I feel like this event here at Nova was a test to some degree. Because the show can drag sometimes. And I think that they wanted to, I don't know, I think, I don't know if they're trying to focus more on this kind of like one-on-one almost kind of QA sort of situation. And they wanted, so they wanted to get through this stuff. Like both of you said, we're seeing things where we're like, well that would have been nice to have seen. Like, you know, we, we, they, they, for, I was happy that it went quickly. Because sometimes it does drag a whole bunch. But maybe they need to dial it the other direction a little bit. You know what I mean? Split the difference. I, I couldn't agree more. Like give us the still shots. I hate how much more we saw with this present. Like, yeah, keep it moving. I'm with that. I don't need the trivia challenges that they used to do like a hundred years ago. Right. I don't need Eddie and Nick like doing the banter about models, right? Right, right. But like give me some good, clean, good lighting, solid shots of what these managers look like. A bunch of the videos we watched in the reveal, you couldn't barely see the freaking thing. Right. Because they were super like, you know, in situ kind of like, you know, all kinds of light and smoke machines and all that kind of stuff that they like to do, which is cool. And it gives a definite visceral response. But if you're just like, yeah, but I want to see what the thing looks like. It's hard. Yeah. Yeah. John, your turn. So my slight hot take here is that these are often wordy and overdone almost to justify the role that people have within the company that you should want to listen to me just expand on things when that's not actually what we're there for. Sure. And I don't watch GW stuff where these people are featured and know their personalities and like them and who in all that, like it's not the people that we attribute with GW or we associate with their brand with the content we consume. Right. So when you are the people that are presenting this to us and you are talking to us like you are those people, it's off-putting. And when you cut to the chase and get to the cool stuff, it makes you look better. Mike looked never better than he did tonight because Mike got out of the way. Yeah, sure. And I think that's a good thing. I don't think the version of tonight was the best version of it, but I think it's much better than it had been in the past. I think they're testing. And I appreciate that they're willing to tweak things and to do that testing. Yeah. They're not just like, well, this is the way we've always done it. Right. And I think from the growth of the miniatures war gaming industry over COVID as the hobby has never been bigger than it is today. And ideally the growth continues when we get new players, we get returning players, we get people more invested than ever before that they are seeing that as an opportunity for them to facilitate an experience that is better for us, everybody at home and everyone that's there. And so I appreciate that. And you know, it let me get through the sloggy stuff. Like when we got through the 30k stuff, I'm like, thank the Lord, we didn't have 12 minutes of talking about this. Right. Yeah. So yeah, I thought overall, it allowed the low parts of the evening to go quickly and me to be excited about the high parts. Sure. Good night. I yeah, overall good. I think I would still like a host that's actually talking. It was weird that like Eddie's pre-recorded message was there in the room. Like AI Eddie from the future. Yeah, you know, I feel like I just I would have liked it more if I, you know, I don't have to be Mike. I would have loved to see Eddie there. Frankly, Eddie's actually a really good host. I think Eddie's very charismatic and funny. For sure. Could have been P2E students a lot as well. Like I don't care. It could be a lot of people. But just like, hey, we're really excited about this next thing too. And then he shows it and he's like, yeah, man, the stern guard looks super cool. We're really excited to get him in your hands. They're going to have lots of cool weapon options and they'll be fully compatible. And while he's saying that second part after the video, you could be seeing the still. Seeing the still and he limits his conversation, his commentary to literally 10 seconds or even 30. Sure. But it's like, and all these guys, like what they said, like what Eddie talked about very quickly, like my God, was he burning through the script? Well, it got to the point. Did you notice this where the person who was running the presentation, because it was just basically one long video. One long video. Version nine. Did you catch version nine? Yeah. I said to John, as you said, version nine, final, final, final. Yeah, about the same thing. But what happened was is that like, because people would be clapping afterwards, the guy started pausing it because otherwise Eddie was jumping right back into it again in the video and then you wouldn't be able to hear what he was saying because people were clapping. So the guy would pause and wait for people to die down and then unpause so that then then Eddie would jump into the next thing. So yeah, it was a test. But I think that they're maybe heading in the right direction. I hope so. Yeah, I agree with you. It was better. I think we went, we swung the pendulum a little too far the other direction. Yeah, we got to bring it back just slightly. Give us a few stills. Give us an actual human who's interacting. Yeah. Like not that he's not human. I just mean like he's not there present. Right. He's not physically. He is very much a human person. A very nice one too. I just mean he wasn't, he's not physically there in the flesh, right? Yeah. Well, what we did learn is version eight actually had subtitles where it said pause for applause. Right. Yeah, but overall cool stuff. You know, very excited about Big Pig and the rest of the iron jaws things. Somebody said, by the way, that iron jaws thing, that's a free PDF supplement. They'll have all the new worst rules. Okay, cool. Awesome. A plus. Good download. Thank you very much. And I'm sure it'll also be in Dawnbringers. So lots to look forward to on that side. I'm interested in those new slanish managers. Overall, yeah, I'm a seven. I now at the end, I having gone through it in detail, I'll stick with my seven. I think this was definitely a seven out of 10. That's fine. No new cool, super amazing army that blew me away, but I'm happy to see all the iron jaw stuff. And yeah, a lot of other fun things. All right, boys, you ready to call it a night? Yes. Well, they're going to call it a night. We're not calling it a night. Absolutely. No, no, no, no. So, okay. Let's see. Are you fellas going to be there on Saturday? Yes, indeed. My partner noted that the current hosts are the maiden, the matron and the crone of Warhammer. Like we're the three, like the fates or whatever. Oh, right. We all have to pluck an eye out, though, don't we? Yeah, exactly. And let's see. And then, yeah, that's all the wrap up questions. So to all of you out there, thank you so much for watching. We really appreciate it. If there's anything we didn't answer or talk about, please comment, drop it down there. Share us your thoughts. What do you rate this on a one through 10? One being terrible, 10 being great. Was this the best thing ever? Tell us. What was your favorite thing? 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