 Welcome to the 1878 FM podcast. It is episode 3. We are joined as usual by Dave and Andy. Good morning gentlemen. Hello hello, how are you? We are, we're all good, we're all good in the room. Petty, it's two weeks on the run and it's only midday. You still normally got another four to three minutes in bed. I've already, hang on. I'm like a dad on holiday, and I've already took the dog for the walk and listened to a podcast, I'm flying. Amont amont, dog man, then duty this morning. I took my dog for the walk, that's not my dog for the week it is. At 8.03 this morning. Hey listen, beat this, I've done two loads of washing today already. He's on a roll. Andy, come on, what have you done? I'm hung it up. I'm covering the breakfast show this week, so I got a taxi at quarter past four in the morning. I think that morning that Dave will resonate with Dave, it's no time to be getting up to be honest with you. It's a horrible time to be getting up. Horrible time to be getting up. It never ever, people always say, if you've done it for a while, they say, well you must be used to it by now, and you never ever get used to it ever. Awful, I feel sweaty and scared. The worst bit is you've got all the time in the world, but no energy to do anything with the rest of the day, do you know what I mean? So just one real quick question on dogs, right? Obviously I'd love to get a dog at some. Have you all got dogs? No, I haven't, I'm fighting the losing back. There's 80% of our household wants a dog and 20% doesn't and we haven't got one, so who do you think the 20% is? I'd love to have one, but the only thing that's kind of put me off a little bit is like picking up the business. I saw a guy outside the house the other day and he just held a bag under its backside and the dog did a poo straight into the bag. I wonder if that's like a game changer. Is that the way forward? I think dog ownership was better in the 70s and 80s where there wasn't that moral responsibility to pick it up. I think it was more attractive to be a dog owner now and I'm completely with you. I wouldn't mind having a dog except for that one aspect and it's socially irresponsible. Leave it on the floor. I take my dog off two times a day and honestly you forget. I mean my business is that to pull a sock out my dog's arse and that's a true story. It happens, people have to do weird things. No, no it's just that it happens. Because dogs eat anything. My dog has had a sock before and my system loves dog had a sock and then she had to pay £300 for an injection to make it full. You can get a new dog for less than 300 quid, can you? No, you can. Lockdown, not unless it's in a pub and it's a strange one item. A dog price has gone through the roof. That's where the money is. You've got money. Put it in dogs. It's like the transfer market for dogs now isn't it? It's gone up. No, they'll eat it. My dog will eat anything. I've had to have my dog taken the vet for eating chewing gum because you find out as well that so many normal things are just like kryptonite to dogs. Chocolate is bad isn't it? Chocolate is really bad. Chewing gum is really bad to find out. So we ate a bit of chewing gum and I was like, oh yeah, Sam, Jerry eats everything. And now straight to the vet's £250, don't pass go. You see the problem isn't it? For him to go... I hope my missus isn't listening to this because I have the chances now of going down. Your kids must have had no bad things or your kids must have been sick. It's the same thing. Now what it is though. The best thing is having a dog you can get them insured and you can pay the money just to have it sorted like that. But you have to pay the insurance. That's all it is. But listen, listen. I come back in the middle section. Dogs are the greatest thing on it. Dogs are amazing. In the last 10 days the only thing I've been upset by is seeing a corgi and a horse being upset. Oh Emma the horse. That's amazing. Because I just think animals don't know. No one can tell them but maybe they do. Maybe they have a sense of thing though. But I think just very quickly on obviously Andy's main issue isn't Dave as well. I am terrible with stuff like that right. But now I've got the responsibility of looking after a dog. I've picked you up this morning straight. Put the bag on the hand. All right if the dog goes on grass which is the perfect thing because you can grab a bit of grass and then go in the scoop. Hide it. On concrete it's hard. Use of all your kids. Use of all being shit on at some point. Let's be honest. Put by your own. That's what your dog becomes your own as well. Listen I'm trying to. I've done it. People have said to me in the past. You'll do that. And I wouldn't have ever done it. Until very recently we had a studio dog. We had one of the guys. One of the guys from the adjourning fan channel. From the dark side. The dog was called Darth Vader. But the dog was like the link. It was the link to go and see. It would take you into their studio. Ross was a lovely fella but the dog was well better. I feel like I need to message Ross but really I'm just messaging the dog. Is your dog got a name after an Everton player? My first dog was called Duncan. Brilliant. But my dog now is called Loki. I had a rabbit called Sheedy. And a guinea pig called Nevin back in the day. Nevin! That's a good name for a guinea pig. He probably done as much for Everton as Pat did. To be fair. Apart from that goal against Man United which was fantastic. But that's a lovely little link. Again Andy there. Just a seamless link into Everton at the weekend. There was a game. Everton won. One of our first game of the season. We spoke about it last week saying it would be a tough game. And all of that and it was. But ultimately Andy Everton came out the other side with the three points. Which is all that matters. I shouldn't be bothered about this. I watched it on the telly and then I watched it. I thought this is a rare treat. I'll get to watch Match the Day. Because you very rarely get to watch Match the Day being a Neviton fan. So I thought I'll watch it and see. Sometimes second time is around. You get a different view on stuff. And they edited us out of the highlights. So that we literally had two kicks. You wouldn't even know we were in the game. And it was a different story. I think it wasn't the greatest game of football in the world. But I felt like we had tenacity. And some of the tackles from Tarkovsky were absolutely fantastic. Been watching them again this morning. And just seeing O'nana go into the crowd and do selfies and stuff like that. And the best bit is the clip in the tunnel with them all celebrating and stuff. As they were coming back into the changing rooms. Something has happened at that football club. And I feel like we're on the turn for the better. And it was just a really heartening performance. And huge. Normally we pray for an international break as a Neviton fan, aren't you? Just get everyone fit again. Just give us a bit of time to sort it out. It's almost annoying now that the international breaks come up. Because I feel like we're on a bit of a roll. Dave? I agree. And I think at the risk of saying much the same thing we can week out. Like we said last week and the week before. We are building. But I think we saw the fruits of that. And we got the result of that with the three points. And for sure there is a culture change going on. And I think that you can see that. And as Andy says, you know, even just in terms of some of the behind the scenes, the dressing room footage and whatnot of Iwobi and O'nana and Gray and stuff. And it just looks a happier place completely. And the way they fight for each other. And, you know, I just thought it was a much, much better performance. I thought, I thought Mopey's goal, I thought he took it really, really well. I thought Iwobi was outstanding. And once again, who would have ever thought that we'd be saying that? You know, when we sort of rewind the clock to the discussions we had last year and before that. So, yeah, it's just, I think it was a much, much better performance. And I thought that they did deserve it. It was a tough game. It was always going to be a tough game, but they came out on top. Also, Nathan Patterson is just, he's the right back we've always wanted. Do you know what I mean? And we deserve, he's absolutely marauding, fearless, tries different stuff out, a real fan favourite, tough tackling. I absolutely love him. And he needs a goal though, doesn't he? Needs a goal. He does, he does. Andrew Stanton's come out, doesn't he, today and said, said it's all completely different. The atmosphere is different. They're all loving it. They're all pulling in the same direction. And on the same day, you've got Rafa, when he says crying that, it's just because he was a red. And yeah. Ghost of Christmas past. Yeah. Although I've never had a Christmas as bad as that. But what do you put, what do you put? There is obviously, like the lads have just said there, machine, on and on, doing the gritty and the change. And they were like, whoa, we ain't done it there. I'm shocked that you know what that dance is called. I've got an 11-year-old child. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. Stop there, right? Head of dance. What was he doing? He was doing a walk. The gritty. The gritty. The gritty. OK. Now I'm a father, but I don't have an 11-year-old. So maybe I'm out of touch. Explain to me what a gritty is. The gritty is the dance. I'm not going to get up and do it. You've done this stuff before. I think you should, Baz. It's a visual platform. Just watch it. Can we turn Baz into a gif? Well he is. There is a gif on Twitter of what was the one Moise Keith? Moise Keith, the wow. Baz did the woe in here once, right? In lockdown, I said. I have no idea why. It was a piss take. It was the worst thing I ever did. I mean, you say it was a piss take. Look pretty good. I can dance, mate. That's the thing. I can dance. Come on, then. Can we get you on whatever Channel 5's version of Strichle is? Yes, surely. I need to. You're on that. No, it'd be something like, it'd be one of those obscure ones. So now and again you just see on Twitter someone will put, there's a gif of him doing this dance. So now and again, it just appears on Twitter. It's fun. It's never stating. I can't get rid of it, but there you go. Anyway, so all of the celebrations, we're seeing it in the stadium. We're seeing it at the final whistle. We're seeing Paterson win tackles and celebrating. Frank Lampard has been very, he's put loads of effort, I think, into trying to create this, like we're in it together. He knows what it takes to win as a footballer given he doesn't. So is it all down to him or do you think as well who we brought in? Surely it's got to be down to the type of people we're bringing into the club and the type of people maybe we've got rid of out the club and, you know, you hear a certain manager say, you're about having a no-nob-ed policy. And maybe that's all it is. You know, maybe that's all it is. It's just that you get good people in. You get good, honest, hard-working people in. And maybe it all clicks together. There doesn't seem to be a hierarchy of terms of, like, financial, no-one really sticks out. You've got good leaders now in Conakody and Tarkowski who are there and, you know, they seem to be like the backbone. And all the way through, you can't really pick out too many people that you'd go, I'm not sure about him. He looks a bit of a baddyn, cos we've done very well and I don't think there's too many baddyns anyway, but we've done really well and getting rid of the people that aren't really needed. You know, we had the manager after the game on Sunday. He was asked the question about Alan and he said, well, he wasn't in the squad. He's basically sixth choice and if we could get rid of him to Qatar or somewhere, we will. And I think that's really refreshing, cos for years, we've had players that we didn't want and obviously manager after manager. And Alan's a decent player by the way. Alan is a good player, someone who played lots of games last season, but that shows you how far we've come. But I think that's really good management cos the manager's just being honest. And he's not stringing people along. He's not keeping people at the club. That will make it toxic because they're not playing. They don't want to be there and the manager or whoever at the club is keeping them around. So I think that's an important factor. There seems to be probably more honesty and there just seems to be better people at the club. You only hear them from Frank Lampard, a little bit from Kevin Fellwell and the players. All that other noise has disappeared, hasn't it? So I think that's really positive. That's something that we've always been used to. It's just good people and not a lot of noise. And that's exactly what we want. And the hour impressed have you been by Connor Cody? He was captain obviously on Sunday. Has he impressed you? I love it. I absolutely love it. And you could just tell he is loving being captain of the club. He's completely honoured by it. He's just living the dream and just the pair of them. The centre-back pairing I think him and Tarkovsky that I've always wanted, because you look back to the darker days of Kane and Hulgate and all, just being petrified and miscommunication and making loads of mistakes. I remember under Moise, you felt quite comfortable when we'd sit in and defend tough and hit people on the break. It's been a long time being comfortable with the way that Everton defend because before it was like, oh my God, a goal is going to happen any second. We had a fair few corners to defend at the weekend. Bear in mind, we were terrible at defending set pieces. So that's another thing to Frank and the coaching staff sorting that out. I just feel like all we wanted was that spine and that grit and that snideness back. I feel like we've got it. It was a real joy to see. People might want to see a bit more attacking play. We definitely didn't have that quality in the final third. But the intent was there. It's the small things that are changing. The little things we were doing right, which we weren't doing right before. We were helping each other out, chasing back and not switching off. I just really enjoyed it. I know it wasn't the world's greatest game of football, but for me it was quite a big step on the road in Everton's recovery, rehabilitation really. Dave, obviously Conacold is on loan. I think he's been superb since he came in. Would you make that permanent? I haven't got the option. He's only 29. I think he's exactly the type of player we need in terms of everything else that he brings as well as how good the defender is. I don't think there's any question. Absolutely undoubted we should sign him permanently. I'm amazed that Wolves let him come out on loan. I really am, because he's a player who has impressed me for years. I've always felt it's just the sort of play that we need. I think with him and Tarkowski there and going back to what Ped was saying about the change in the personnel, I think that actually probably those two are more important than we even imagine along with the culture that Frank's created because we're talking about two senior players who have both been leaders before and have come in with their experience and actually knitting together. I'd also put Garner in there as well now, having been at the club before and coming back. I think there's certain key people who are leaders in there and keeping going the culture that Frank and his team have obviously installed. It's now creating a happy place where people don't seem to be scared of playing forever. Also, first and foremost, they've made themselves difficult to beat. As Andy was saying, the goals will come when we get more attacking options up front but actually the one thing that we weren't before was difficult to beat and we are now and he's sort of closed the door at the back all day long signing Conor Cody. I think he's class. One other thing which has been great is just seeing Tarkovsky steam over and get involved in fights and them all fighting for each other. If there's ever a rocker, absolutely love it. He's straight in there like a hard man in a nightclub. That's one of the best things. We haven't had anyone like that for ages. We spoke about this the other day, didn't we? There was obviously the incident where Samaker clatters into Garner in injury time and he done it in favour actually he does go steaming over he's joined by Cody, Nathan Paterson remembers he's from Glasgow and he's straight over there as well and all of a sudden you've got people looking out for each other. You saw Tarkovsky, you mentioned it when he was straight over to the lad who had a go with Gordon and what that does as well brings us into it as the fans does you start getting up then and it creates that thing that you don't actually mesh with us. And also it'll reveal on board and who's not because I think just mentioned that there's been too many players who want to do their own thing or have got a little bit of chip on the shoulder or whatever there's a little thing with Anthony Gordon at the weekend which I think has annoyed a few people him having a go with Nathan Paterson and that'll soon get sorted out because someone will just grab him and go we're not doing that anymore, we're not having that we're all in this together. Whether it be the players or the fans. But where there's just been said there we had too many players who were just too scared Michael Keane is one of the most timid centre back to the scene in my life and that's just the way he is and that's just the way he is he's probably had someone bigger next to him but you can't be like that at centre half even in these days you can't you need to puff your chest out and show what you're all about we've got that now and I think that's important we've been saying that for so long when Meena was available he'd whine people up he's got it to say it next time but with them though you can tell it's slightly faux with these two I wouldn't mess with these two I just wouldn't mess with Connor Cody is from the mean streets of Newton and the Willows as Dave can testify that area of the world is look at Rick Astley he's never given up absolutely never given up so you don't mess around with that you just don't mess around with that area of the world mid Cheshire it raised an interesting point which I hadn't really thought about though but Godfrey struggles to get back in this side at the moment doesn't he? Ben Godfrey is everything you kind of want in a centre back he's not at their level he's physically strong he's lightening he can't defend people have seen this about Ben Godfrey he can't defend he's a defender of mefielder but how much will he learn of playing with those two I tell you what this reminds me of I remember when we had Weir and Stubbs but we had Yoba as well and I was like I remember at the time I was younger and you get a good player and you think they should start all the time but if Yoba wasn't good enough to play which he certainly wasn't better than Weir or Stubbs then that's just the way it was and you've just got to get on with that it's great to have people in your favourites and you might be a little bit worried about losing people or what you've paid for people but ultimately you play the best ones and he'll learn so much off those two then he will go off Michael Keane we had it with Lescott didn't we do you only in Lescott come in we had the centre back partnership and Lescott played a left back and we had Leighton Baines who we bought and Leighton Baines was so free not a year but a long time Lescott got in as a left back because he couldn't get in the centre back One other thing with Godfrey is that he for me still embodies the old kind of mistakes Everton and one thing that I think we've seen over the past few games is that again credit to Frank and the team but they cut out the amount of unforced individual errors that we were killed with those errors last season any positions of things that start in the term for us then we just shoot ourselves in the foot hopefully I know it's early days into this season but they seem to have got the concentration back again which is great sorry just on the side mentioning Yobo do you remember that great gag where Yobo's brother got kidnapped in Nigeria and the rumour was that Everton put up a million pound plus Tony Hippard for his release get him out just going back then just going back to what Andy just said then no about unforced errors last season I think it was 12 or 13 he's killed us Tony Hippard Tony Hippard was great 5 million alone just for his fishing quality he was the big fish literally but those 12 or 13 goals we gave away unforced errors last season if you just even have them this season let's not after me let's not six goals and seven games it's also the point in the games where those things happened as well it was just like we went through almost like a weekly series of just like getting stuff turn around a little bit for us and then just screw it over completely the amount of unforced errors the amount of goals that we brought upon ourselves was unbelievable last season and the set pieces and obviously that stack come out over the weekend 11th and face 66 corners and only can see the one goal this season so that's it did you bottle it on Saturday though when Antonia was standing behind Begavitch oh my god I was absolutely screaming I think I might have even shouted he was full pantomime it isn't even December he was like that I was thinking he's going to edit out his hands and he threw it out and then he kind of looked as if to go did you come from and Antonio's not me is he he's not five foot nothing he's massive you can't miss him what was he thinking full on Begavitch you'll never go full on Begavitch last season he would have edited out his hands you're not allowed to edit out the hands though he was just there you can't do that anymore you're not allowed to do that anymore games gone soft games gone soft I tell you what I'm talking about Begavitch I think to have him as our number two as the weekend proved we know how good Jordan Pickford is and we know how important a position that is obviously but to have Begavitch as our number two as opposed to some slightly dodgy fellow you wouldn't really want to play in there I think that gives us real strength and I'm not worried about having Begavitch between the sticks at all because as he proved once again he's more than capable he's a Premier League goalkeeper all day long there's last two games at Gullison he's kept playing sheets and he's been bobing big games Newcastle last season which was a huge game obviously and he was steady in that and then obviously Sunday the only thing I'd say Dave and me and Pat talked about this on the final word this weekend was he's 6 for 5 or something so any crossing he comes and claims brilliantly nobody's ever but Corners he seems to he gets under the ball it's so strange and I think it's like he's too tall like it's going to hit him in the neck and I don't know whether this is this is something that stopped him being really top but just the Corners I'd like him to come and take command but everything else like you say we've had some goalies where you're like I hope our keeper's not injured because we're in trouble and with this fellow my keeper is so I think he made the big difference Andy Neil Maupai or as Ned calls him Niall I don't know I think we have mentioned this before Niall Maupai scored his first goal and it was a good goal wasn't it and it was a goal almost out of nothing really Do you know what I've watched the goal so many times and every time I see that first touch it gets better and better which is really weird I don't know if you've gone on about a match of the day but it's the first touch for it which I completely disagree with it's first touch in such a small confined space with the defender kind of backpedaling They chuckered away from the defender It was great, it was a fantastic goal and we've been deprived of some good goal scoring Abitim for a while he's got off he was unlucky in the Derby he scored in the Derby I feel like he's just the right kind of player for what we need He's really hungry He's a proven Premier League goal scorer and he could be just what we need and it would be interesting then Calvert-Lewin maybe coming back at some point struggling to get in the team there's good pressure around the team at the moment now for the positions which is really important that's something that we've not really had where it's like if you fit your play whereas now there's pressure for each of these positions and that can only be beneficial for the team Dave I agree, I think it was a speed which he took it to be honest with you and likewise I've seen it back many many times I mean it came to him fast as well from Iwobi I mean it wasn't the easiest ball to control because it did I mean Iwobi was really moving and he put pace on that ball but for him to turn but it wasn't, yes I agree Andy I thought his touch was good but it was the speed with which he got the shot away that was what made the difference because it just seemed to take no time at all and he took it well and again, goals bring confidence don't they and I think it's good for him to actually get that under his belt so early in his everton career first win as well for the side will have sort of boosted him up and I mean listen I'd still like one more in there that's assuming that you don't count Rondon which obviously you don't but I'd like one more in there by way of competition but other than that I'm pretty happy for the three minutes To be fair, for Rondon he was really good for them last time Honest to God, he nutmegged one of the West Ham players but it was so slow that the West Ham player couldn't quite understand what had just happened it reminded me of like when you see in a film when something happens in slow motion but the feller who's done it is a speed step so his time, it's happening in real time but for the other person it's happening in slow motion like the magic it was like the magic bullet time it's just the fact that he's got his socks rolled down he's got a big old shirt he looks like a dad that's playing to make up the numbers at a kids five a side at a party but doing loads of sly elbow he looks like the teacher out of Kes you know just a slightly bolding Bobby Charlton steps up and he's a reference Kes a lot of youngsters will get that a lot of youngsters will get that well I'm surely just laying in it in school I tell you who else was good though Damari Grey was fantastic as well I worried about him because I felt like he might have gone off the ball a little bit tail ender last season starting with this but he seems to be caught up in the optimism and if you see the video of the TikTok dance you were talking about earlier on he's the gritty what's he called the gritty what's he called the gritty the gritty the gritty a langa dos if he unites it the breakfast host doesn't know what it is the breakfast show host gonna drop this tomorrow if he drops the gritty people will be loving it imagine that, that'll be my last show just mention it he's too busy giving away Harley Davidson's or something on his radio station that's what it's like commercial radio none stop Harley Davidson I mean just on, just on Damari Grey I actually think he's our best attacker at the moment Andy Gordon he was poor wasn't he the last couple of games he's been poor but Grey is so infuriating I think as a player because he shows you all the abilities got into moments he's stronger than I thought there was one on Saturday below me in the first half in the bullhounds the ball come and it was almost getting away from him and he just knocked the west hand player out the way got his foot on it, chained and went he went past two like he went there and then kicked the ball out of the throwing and that was that encapsulating the C.M product isn't it the only thing that warms him really is there's times when he picks the ball up and we've got an opportunity to break and he slows it down because he likes doing that thing where he stands still and then goes because he knows he's got them for pace but I'd love to see him just sometimes keep going at pace and trying to catch the defenders on the back foot because I thought that was what we were disappointing on Sunday if there was anything was the amount of times we had chances to break and then slowed the game down we need to start hitting teams at pace we've got plenty of midfielders now to join in and keep going and maybe that's the next thing the team has to lay in to do it's a bit of confidence that I think but then you're seeing the what can come of the standing still sick from when he fired the ball across and if Dominic Alvin looms there he's got a tap in there or maybe as Maupai realises he's going to do but he can throw himself into those areas when was the last time you saw Everton score a goal on the break I can't remember a goal we scored on the break in ages we just don't do last season the best one was man United off their corner it was fantastic and we really, Andy we should have had one in the last game on the corner that great we took her up the pitch and gave it to Maupai we should have scored but you're absolutely right that's what we it's not our forte no, not at all I mean Dave, we saw Sunday Abdelhaid y Cori back in the squad and came on as a sub this is a fella who last season was first choice for most of the well since he's been here he's been first choice really he started the season in the team as well so he's not only gone injury or filler but to have someone like him who was automatically first choice and is now a sub doesn't that kind of give you a little bit of an indication of the strength now maybe that we have in midfield and probably the reason why as Pep mentioned before the manager is open to letting Alan who's done alright for Everton maybe moving this on before the middle east transfer window shuts I did, I thought exactly that as I saw to Cori on the line about to come on and I thought here's somebody who was a first choice and he looked like a world beater for us on his day and here he is now trying to break into this midfield now that's not to say that he won't find a regular spot in there but I do I think it shows the strength that we have now for me I thought that Gay made a real difference in the middle and I think in terms of allowing more space certainly for Anana to play you know that situation where often you need two very different midfielders in the middle one's basically one's a sort of babysitter for the other one and basically gives them more space and I think that's what Ghana does really really well and I think that he's one of those players that quietly makes a real difference and he's really effective in the middle and I think it's great to have him back he's got McAlely type vibe absolutely pass it in the short, calm slows the game down if we need to just to kind of chill reset a little bit and stuff as well and the one thing that Alan wasn't was calm the one thing with him is that he was anything but calm and he was always worth a card and I think we can probably he's not a bad player at all but I think we can probably do without him at the moment in terms of what cover we have just before we move on Ghana has a lot of backing as we need it I've noticed this he probably was always good but he's not having him seeing him back it's just how good he is in possession of the football there's also the the fact that fans already know him so there's not that bedding in period of going what does this fella do what is he good at and I still think just mentioned a day about Alan he doesn't quite understand what kind of player Alan is so they don't give him the benefit of the doubt he'd probably be better with Ghana where there's Ghana's coming in he knows exactly what he's going to do and therefore fans just go it's like he's never left and that just puts you at ease with it and it's a lot easier for him to adapt for us to adapt to the team when you've got players like that he's another leader in there and he'll help ananna immensely against someone who's come from playing in the French League you know and can help him bed into the team and the three in there have all got just slight variations of the same sort of thing you've got a Wobies break the lines he's got the technical ability go ananna big lap but good in possession and Ghana's the common influence who breaks the play so it's a really really good three to have Do you want as well they seem to be working on this thing of getting ananna on the end of some of our crossing as well it's encouraging going you nearly got on the end of a couple on Sunday and if that kind of continues to work out and maybe our set pieces get a little bit better we might get some joy from headed's goals which is not like a thing that we've had loads of recently yeah our set pieces are dire like that is the only issue it's not the only issue but it is a big issue at the moment the set pieces are awful attacking wise and it's something we need to do because as Andy just said they've got players like ananna, Cody, Tarkowski you've got to play big lines so we need to work on that massively so Dave I mean it went obviously it's six games unbeaten now forever in all competitions which is I think the Premier League is five unbeaten there's only Man City and Spears I think you've got the same record over in terms of not losing games so are you feeling more optimistic as the weeks go by you know we talked about it's building it's building but that's two clean sheets on the run you know when last season we couldn't go probably two minutes at times so does it feel as though things are are moving in the direction that you're looking for yeah totally because they've just made themselves the same before just much harder to beat does games coming up that I'm not concerned about at the moment because I think that we I think we're as hard to beat as anybody at the moment on our day and also you know as the front three start to gel a little bit and you know Dominic to come back in as well is that hopefully they'll add goals to that but you know the most important thing that's why I'm not bothered about the draws that we've been having of late because we've not been getting beat and that's the most important thing because you know that goals will come after that as Sunday proved and you know there wasn't a huge amount in it between us and West Ham to be honest with you it could have gone either way but it went to us and I think it was about time that we did get a bit of luck and Andy Yeah I'm hugely encouraging it's a bit of a process going on and I know Arteta normally gets the whole trust the process thing but I think Frank and the team are doing a great job and they're addressing if I was to write down a list of the things that scared the life out of me about Everton last season I feel like they're going through it ticking it off one by one and the main thing I keep going back to is just that they're recapturing that sense of the way they celebrate together that winning mentality that was there they look like a team turning up for each other and looking out for each other that's just something regardless of results and where we end up and all that kind of stuff that's all I want from watching Everton a little bit of fight being shit houses again it's been a long time I mean that's the lot I've just said there just to finish it's be hard to beat we talked about it last season the defeats can we turn them into drawers and they can we turn the drawers into windows have an identity isn't it we've been crying out for an identity for a long time players you like players you can get behind that you can see a way for each other and that seems to be happening but can I just go back to something Andy said Andy said you mentioned there about match of the day Everton out have either of you ever been on a TV show that you've done that when you saw the final product it completely edited you completely different from what you'd recorded and I think this might be more for Dave because I remember back in the day he did a lot of talking head things for BBC 3 and Channel 5 and things like that if I remember yeah well there was a whole spate of those what I used to refer to is I love being on the telly programme because I love the 90s and I love the 80s and I love the world cup and I love music and I love whatever and yeah I did do quite a few of those I was I mean they're hilarious by the way I will give away entirely the trade secret because what happens is you have these people and they come in and they've got a list of things and they kind of go what do you want to do and you kind of go right well I'm going to talk about Beckham in the World Cup or I'm going to talk about this or I'm going to talk about Liz Hurley's dress you can't do that because someone else has done that so you can't do that and they go further down the list and they kind of go can't you do that one and they kind of go I don't know anything about that and they kind of go right this happened that happened and the other happened and then they roll and you can I remember the time and they walked down the catwalk and their heel went and it was the funniest thing how was that good yeah lovely 200 quid and that's what happened I've never I've never been edited unfairly in one of those however there was a program which I wish I'd been edited out of entirely which was I would just hole in the wall oh yeah with my television highlights which saw me come down and can you even believe this saw me come down a slide on a stage in Glasgow between the legs of Ann Diamond and it's like something which is a bizarre dream but it actually happened and there I was in this silver suit with this helmet on looking like a baked potato was everybody does in that program and I could have happily been edited out but there you go that was an amazing concept that program well do you know here's the thing Pedin you're absolutely right because this is what amused me is that they filmed it in Glasgow that wasn't the funny bit the funny bit was the fact that you all fly up there and then there's someone at Glasgow airport with one of those signs or sun tours or whatever right so there's somebody there with a sign and so you go up and it says BBC hole in the wall or something so anyway you stand there and you don't know who you're on with and then there's this magical mystery tour so there was Ann Diamond right there was a guy who was nasty Nick from EastEnders there was Sophie Anderton the model and then maybe that was it I don't know anyway we all got in this car and we're driving to the studios and I kind of said this is going to be fun isn't it and they all in a kid you're not going to go I've got no idea what the program is hang on you've just flown up from wherever you've come from London for the most part and you've flown up to Glasgow for a show that you have not a clue about and I then had the task of explaining to them this concept which as Pedin said the weirdest concepts I said you get put in this suit right they then have these walls with different shapes in them and the walls come towards you and if you don't make the right shape and if you don't make the right shape and go through the hole are you with us Bas and then if you don't go through the thing can you get knocked into a swimming pool it's the weirdest thing and I literally had these three faces completely blank just looking back at me and it ended from Mars and I thought this is bonkers and sure enough that's exactly what happened I did worry that when I saw the title Hole in the Wall I did think it was the labs at Kings Cross station I thought it was a show we just went to the bank we just got money out of the castle the hole in the wall I've seen that on you know when you watch amateur liberty and they're like sat there and they're going I've no idea what's happened I've never seen this show before I'm thinking surely you've seen it surely if you if something says I'm a celebrity and get in the jungle surely you say what are we doing just give me a quick and the minute you go spiders and snakes you just say the door close I do like TV programmes that have a weird collection of people like my only one time of doing television there was me Donnie Tourette I don't know if anyone remembers Lee Lachford Evans from Steps Bells Donnie Tourette Donnie Tourette is a Nevertonian and Simon O'Brien used to be in Channel 4 in Brookside and we were all in London playing in this popped up post on a property we were all in this show and it was just Donnie Tourette was so nervous he was drinking pint of strong bow before we were going to have a game of 40 we'd never sell for Dave Watson Adrian Heath it was the most bizarre thing obviously for me it was hosted by Ian Wright and Neil Helen Chamberlain and the week before I got to get picked by the team to get in the team and Neil Warnock was the man who picked me but when he edited it he made me look shite but there was this other lad genuinely right there was this other lad he was half decent and he made him look boss and then this lad kicked off because I got picked in the team so he edited to make it look like there was this big beef and I was terrible and Neil Warnock was just picking me because my wife was in Evertonian anyway so and then we had to go and play this game at the Beckham Academy and there's all players and Lee Sharper's there it was just mental it was like my taste of Phil doing his first gig did this like after after show thing and I was on the couch it was so bizarre it was 2008 in the Beckham Academy and they put us up and I had all that with he met us with the sign and all that and we were driven and it was the most bizarre thing in the world just to be playing for us he was Donny Toretten one of the members of steps and Dave Watson incredible though I don't mind all that but he made me look shite no, you're not like you're not shite at all but they're going to do that to try and build a hard look story of the boy wonder and then you you're watching Stuart Twist not that that Peter McPartland's opinions are not necessarily shared by the other members of the 1868 on anything back to you back to you for the random section you have quite happy to show you another proud owner of an air fryer a ninja air fryer a 7-in-1 so explain the light of the 7-in-1 ninja air fryer other air fryers are available aren't you I don't know whether they are well it's just an air fryer isn't it but it's also a grill you can basically cook anything on it so I'm trying to experiment and see what I can cook on it so watch the you know what's the concept of the air fryer tell us Mr air fryer you've been going on about it you stick things in a pan you stick them in the air fryer and you cook by air so there you go is it the modern version of do you remember in the 1970s and the 80s we had chip pans and obviously there was lots of late night government adverts about chip pan fires putting wet tea towels on them is it the modern chip pan 2022 without the fat and the grease and all that kind of thing see my confusion is the fact that I I've never really thought into this hugely but I thought that the whole concept of frying was more of a wet process and by that if you're cooking moist if you're cooking something which is reliant upon hot air to cook it is that not roasting which is more of an oven based process I mean it is an oven in a way but when you think about it if you're making chips you're going to get mush chips mush greasy chips these are crispy chips because it's air fried and that's the difference see so when you get them there's a crunch to them so the same with oven chips though no oven chips are rubbish oven chips come a long way you get one of those trays with holes in the bottom oven chips come a long way we've got something that will cut in 5 minutes that's what you've got to think about the price of gas it's going to be cut off soon so you've got to get on board the air fry before the gas people who have air fryers absolutely love it's almost like a cult it's a cult it's healthier yeah I would also like to find out more about the 7-in-1 aspect which you mentioned before I get the frying and the grilling that's 2 what are the other 5 components that's a good point so there's the grill there's the flat plate grill which is slightly different so that's number 3 that's both still grilling though one's a grill traditional with the grooves and one's like a flat so you know when you see like a the diner and you have the flat plate and they just throw food on it it just cooks really quick there's a dehydrator the dehydrator so that's like for like fruits and stuff take the water out there ok so there's 4 so there's 3 to go I think there's an oven an oven so we're claiming an oven so there's actually got 2 to go you're going to have to I'm not going to use the other 2 can you bring it in next week it's quite big it's quite big I feel like I put you on this part a little bit I feel like I put you on this part not like I haven't got Google there's another air fry story there's another air fry story air fry story imagine if you brought it in next week you can cook something on the table taste it taste it listen because this podcast is just shy of an hour so you've got plenty of time to set it up put something in cook it and then demonstrate the eating process first we can do a whole show until next week 3, 4, 3, 4 it's for listeners it's a little Saturday morning kitchen whatever it's called James Martin so you could be like chopping and this is what I'm doing we can just have a chat and have a ship of pretend wine that's the worst format for TV in the will see this is where we are now with TV this is what I was talking about fell a cooking food while normally one of the mills from previous girl bands it's going on about some shite not no one's interested in bringing it back out and then once in a while you'll go oh that's nice I'm sure Dave's been on one of these shows it's nonsense bring back proper TV Tim Lovejoy he sold himself out he had a great gig going on soccer AM and he ruined it by becoming all breakfasty what's wrong what's wrong pet are you bringing your air fry I can't it's too big I'll send you photos can you not borrow a steak car from somebody please come on I feel like the people I'll give you a hand out from the car part have you seen Bazzy small I'm strong now come on bring it in bring it in let's go I'm taking it to work the last one I see me grill something there you go let's see if you can actually use it bring it in bring it in it doesn't cook a bloody wall pushes me to a pool can't cook won't cook the coil of boiling fat Ned asked me about camping before air fry, bake, roast, reheat dehydrate and grill I'm not having reheat tell me fair about four of them I have the same thing what's the difference between roasting and baking both take place in a dry of an environment I think maybe we can find this out for next week I'm willing to we've got to go on to the great British Bake off the beat next week aren't we camping, discuss very quickly are you a fan something I did when I was a kid loads would you do it now not a chance every now and again this crops up there was one in the summer and the 40 team drag plays for me we'll take the kids to this place and we'll all calm is there a hotel nearby I'm not being funny it's 2022 I want to be able to go to toilet if I need to I want to watch telly if I need to I want to sleep on a bed it's camping just isn't for me lads are you fans of camping or aren't you I've been once camping to Ilfakum in Devon about 10 years ago and I purposely bought the exact same tent that my mate James he's got and the reason for that was this is the fact that I knew that James he knew had to assemble and disassemble said tent therefore leaving me out the equation and I kindly volunteered to take the kids for ice cream while he was going through the process right so that's where I am with camping I don't mind the process that much and I think that you'll find that as the economy crunch bites even more over the next year we'll be living in tents getting on board in terms of that's where you spend your holidays on a cliff in North Devon with an air fryer Andy go on with an air fryer I like camping I like it we go quite a bit as a family it's good give it a go I'd say it is all that stuff though isn't it this is what I remember as a kid it's pissing down you are in Devon most I remember that normally you're in the middle of nowhere and you're on a big campsite it starts raining and you're having to put the thing together and then you put it down you put it down quick you throw it in a bag and then you forget about it and then you go back to it and you find it's rotted or full of mould or something no it's not I've lived a little bit now I'm not going back to that not going back to the trenches no chance book Dave brought it up before it is international week this week so obviously there's no evident game this week on one hand you can say like Andy did a bit of momentum we had and pity it out but on the other side it gives job and pick for that chance that he covered on the cover loom should be available but there is international games this weekend I am not a huge fan of the international games I like the Finals I like the Whale Cup Finals and I like the European Championships when they're on qualifying in the Nations League and I just can't be wondered with it all but obviously the Whale Cup is in Qatar in November and I'm sure we'll do more on that when it's here but in terms of your favourite Whale Cup only because you said it before Dave you were talking head to programme where you got your stuff knocked back what is your favourite I could have said anything I could have said favourite flipflops we've either been discussing flipflops now but you mentioned Whale Cup so we'll go on there what's been your favourite Whale Cup great answer he's not ready for that was he totally not ready I can tell you what my favourite tournament was generally if we can include the Euros and this is from a purely selfish point of view was Euro 2004 cos we spent a month in Portugal that is a good reason it was really good honestly it's one of the best work trips I've ever had you know Germany 2006 was alright but it wasn't a patch on Portugal for me it's Italia 90 just that Whale Cup with Nessan Dorma and just how invested in we earned some great characters like Klinsman and Linnaker and there were some massive football characters and also what was he 21 at the time he's still 21 now it was that era when football commentary still sounded like it was done I think it was done down the telephone so it felt like quite far away and all that kind of stuff as well it was the tournament that took football to the next level didn't it really I think it was like the tournament but that bridged the old and the new wasn't it that'd be your favourite 90 probably you must have only been about 6 weren't you 6.5 I was like 11 I was it was like that and I was funny enough I was camping in France and this way football has come from we were on a campsite in France football originated on this campsite of course it did but we were all we were watching England vs Ireland and we had to get some guy to open up a bar we were all huddled around this little TV and that just shows you how far football has come now you'd be the screens everywhere spy imagine the tents of TVs now that's how far we've come and I remember we got back to Dover to get the crossing and it was full of Scots cos they'd been knocked out early of course it was just full of Scots in Dover going on so that has those other memories and I think Yorda 96 was amazing if you're bringing the Yorda into it actually do you know what that was the coming of age I think for a lot of people and it was just a good time it was always music wise it was a great time year in 96 let's go with that it was like a real coming of it one of the big things I remember was going to four and that was like a fundamental shifting for a lot of us to the bars I had to do and it felt like Liverpool was like fans everywhere and I actually went to Anfield to watch Italy vs Russia and bought a ticket off a Russian sailor because no one could get visas and he had a stack of them and he sold them for like £25 each and they were £35 tickets and just these two hulking big sailors just handing out tickets so that was like a big big big change I think in football as well for a lot of us so that would definitely be my favourite Yorda 96 Also the team coming back on the you know to the airport in Italia 90 as well so a long time since you've seen crowds turn out for an England team like that I mean that was an amazing moment too with Gaza with his fake belly and boobs on the front of his tracksuit and everything that was brilliant I mean my favourite one is 82 as a kid you know Spain 82 Brazil you know as a 10 year old just 10 I can't remember anything about that tournament what was the highlight of that tournament? Italy won it Italy beat Germany in a final but Brazil were unbelievable and me and Pat were talking about this the other day because it was the era before you knew every single player on YouTube or footage on every day of the week so you'd only saw these players every four years really so in 82 you'd add Zico Socrates, Eide Junior just unbelievable footballers some of the best players ever to play the game smoking 30 a day Exactly Socrates 80 a day smoking and strolling through games you know and you'd add Giuseppe Roche Giampalo Roche Rondon but they were imperfect in that era but you know they beat Germany and all that and I remember running around from school because England were playing France at four o'clock and like their home from school and got in and England scored after 27 seconds Brian Robson with the other we beat France 3-1 and it was brilliant and the kids and all that Was that a different system as well? It was a group but then you got through to the next round and there was another group with 3 teams England never lost Kevin Keegan was the shitter to take us through I remember being injured and he played in the second game I feel like we're giving away our best World Cup content that we're really going to need We're really going to need all this stuff We'll come back to it Darren you're on 96, absolutely fantastic Is there anything else Jents random before we wrap up? I need to go now I mean that was it I was going to say there was no more done and I had a constant I mean Andy last week We did Andy go towards the end he went full hurry He did, I told him It's because this podcast is so well structured The structure is brilliant It's just as obvious If you had a ninja that cheese toasty would be so much better Honest to God Can you demonstrate for us next week? Can't wait for next week That's it, join us next week where Ped goes full live demonstration of food, never been done before on toffee TV It may never be done again Those Birkenhead market knock off t-shirts you've got in the background they're going to go on rubber candles That's it, one of them is a children You can't see that one Whatever, nice one That's us done big thanks to both of you Any of us ever been to Birkenhead? I mean I have We used to go to Birkenhead market all the time when I was a kid We used to go there a hell of a lot for My Nana bought us some aftershave there for Christmas and it was and Boxershorts, Calvin club Boxershorts instead of Calvin Klein The Birkenhead market I mean you can't I mean that's a great note to leave it on It is Calvin club Leave it there Thank you very much for listening Cheers to the lad for joining us next week with live demonstration of airfrying food Thanks for watching, see you later