 all right all right I'm gonna give you a countdown and that's when that's when we start all right all right yeah you sound good you sound good all right anything else you want to go over before we start three two one hello hello everyone welcome back it's me your favorite man who loves to yell at the computer screen over menial things that only 1% of the population cares about it's me probably spider-man or kai nick and my guest here is mr. mr. spider chem so I've been wanting to have spider-chem on the show for a long time I remember I reached out to you I think I reached out to you like last summer to be on and you were like yeah I need I just need to get a computer set up or whatever and then we get started yeah I was on vacation that summer and I started college so I didn't we have like a nice environments reporting like I had a roommate everything so yeah I got how old are you 19 I'm 18 still okay so I'd say we're about the same exact age range I was born February 15th in 2003 I'm in college I've been in college for about like almost a year I'm wrapping up my I'm not even wrapping up I'm like halfway through my my summer semester I'm taking psychology in American government but that's that's not important right now I've been following chem's work for a long time I've actually been a really big fan of chem's work because I just I've always found there to be something so believable about your costumes and something that while still using materials that Peter Parker would be able to get his hands on you still make a suit that's convincing and it still looks good and I normally I wouldn't you know me I don't puff paint all of my suits I that's scary for me but it's it's definitely it's definitely it takes some kind of bravery it's a puffy paint almost every single suit you do every single suit you do I've seen so far that I can think of has been puffy painted and I wanted to ask you is that an intentional choice or is it just something you're like oh I do it for every suit I might as well part of it for me is like a consistency thing I kind of like all my suits to kind of like look like they were made by me and like puffy paint kind of became like a thing that I do like you know you've been following me for a long time like a long time ago but like my like dye sub suits I don't always puffy paint just the ones that like I really want to like movie suits or like this suit but I mean yeah puffy paint is I like doing it but like I would never I'm not on that level yet where I'm like yeah I'm gonna put the paint a whole Tasm suit you know oh yeah those people who paint Tasm suits are fucking psychopaths I swear to God those people are insane also if you see me writing anything down it's just because I'm putting down a timestamp to do an edit for example I'm just gonna put your work on screen because I feel like a lot of people get bored because like there's nothing there's no action in your face so I'm gonna like put up a couple of a couple of pictures of your suits that I really like okay so I it's different for everyone and it's something I'm definitely interested in hearing what is the process for making your suits because I know you used to do it the I used to do you used to do it the zentai zone way where you would email zentai zone and be like hey send me this suit with this color fabric or whatever and they'll send you like a basic spider-man layout and you just you would put your your your logo's and webbing on it you use a new process now and I would like to hear about what goes into it like what goes into a suit that's handmade okay so that like then his own process I've only did it like three times it was in the summer you know you know bug he was like yeah yeah they can do this I was like I let me try it real quick and so what I do now is I get like morph suits like blank colored or whatever and like I cut them up and like I glued them together but like I don't usually use morph suits now just because I figured out that like when you cut like the morph suit mask off because you know like they come with the mask attached right the zipper kind of gets messed up and I've had like multiple zippers break on me when I did that so I so like what was that suit called the spider shadow suit I did that zipper like broke like oh I remember what you're talking about yeah so I get like these I don't know what to call them they're like they're just like morph suits but like they don't have the hand or the mask or and sometimes it either feet so I get those sometimes and then I get one with feet to make the boots so just piece it together type thing what I would actually I would I used to do is I would get I would have like one consistent pair of gloves and I'd have one consistent pair of boots that were just socks it literally just a pair of socks they're easy to get in there comfy and as long as you can find one that matches the color of your suit you're fine so what I would do is I would anytime I wanted to make a new costume I would literally just make a new mask and a new body suit and that was it I would leave it at that if you even want to boil it down to like a super consistent formula even more than that you could just get a pair of leggings and then have every Spider-Man suit you make after that use the same exact shade of blue if you can find it like maybe get some thermal sets because they come with like a pair of leggings and a shirt and if you can I remember I used to buy from Tesla a lot that's TSLA on Amazon and I remember buying a lot of my because what I would do is I would I do the same thing except I would just get a blue body suit but then get a red muscle shirt instead so that I didn't have to cut up a giant like red body suit and I would save myself a ton of cash and I would have leftover fabric to make matching material with a lot of the time I would just make the mask out of the material that I cut out from the shirt but I think you all you got to do is just make a boot make a make a pair of boots and gloves with consistent web pattern like try to make an average of the layout of all the Spider-Man gloves I guess and boil it down into one glove and if you know if you have the cash for that if you have the cash to not do that every time and like make a new pair of gloves then I'd say do it but you know what I mean if it ain't broke don't fix it yeah that's what I'm saying especially like if you're starting out do what Kai said exactly make in those gloves kind of it's a pain in the ass yeah so what I end up doing now actually I'll get one of these Sharpies and then I'll take the glove and put it over the Sharpie and then draw the fingers out over because it's annoying as shit when you have to put the glove on and then do it this way but this is like pop your own finger off and then draw all around it I found that much easier you find that the more you do this you'll find your own little ways to innovate it's all about what you stuff the suit with when you put webs on it and stuff yeah definitely back in the day I used to know I'm a stuff my suit I just had a flat out oh my that's terrifying that's so terrifying I remember I made like one suit remember what it was but I remember being so disappointed waking up in the morning running to my garage because that's where I'd leave my suits to dry and seeing that like it seeped through to the back and I was like shit and I know I fucking I begged my parents for a mannequin for the longest time I finally got one and then my mom woke me up one morning and was like hey I found a $20 mannequin on Facebook with a creepy ass face do you want to just get that I was like hell yeah it was the quickest thing I if you can get your hands on a cheap mannequin don't pass that shit up it's so useful just it's got to be impulse just you just got to grab it get the mannequin when you can it's so useful definitely grab it cuz I've been looking for a mannequin that's not like 80 plus dollars for a long time but try try looking for like tried going to some like online garage sales or like getting some mercury or whatever like if you see those yard sale apps try looking through those because that's where I found mine and forgot that thing was sitting in the back if you if you realize like if you can just do it like getting a mannequin as a spider-man cosplayer who makes their own suits it's probably the easiest thing you can do speaking speaking of suits and stuff I wanted to ask I was so heartbroken when I looked on your story and I saw you were selling a lot of your suits and I wanted to ask like if it's personal and like you got money troubles I'm not gonna ask you to harp on that but I was gonna ask what what made you sell what made you sell a lot of your a lot of your work well part of it is cuz I'm a money hungry Mr. Krabs but another part is I want to remake a lot of them like not though like older older ones like those are in the past I wore those I took pictures of them I don't mind selling them cuz like literally I don't wear them they've just been sitting in my closet need a free up space and stuff right and for like the more recent ones it was like I look at them and I'm like something's kind of wrong I don't know what it is and then I remember one day you actually pointed out to me the web pattern like on the shoulders they like go over yeah they're like overall webbing I was literally gonna ask you about that a few questions like and like ever since then I was like man these are cool but they could be better if I change some web patterns stuff cuz other like there's some other parts too that I want to fix like I'm gonna try a new method to make like the this part more even and like I want to fix up like the symbols and some of the lenses cuz like I know my ultimate one I've tried like three different lenses and like I've not liked all of them for like a point in time you know I loved a lot of them taking those lenses off and putting them back on is like damaging the spandex whatever so I was like oh yeah let me just make a new one because like I want like I want to make a new one you know like right I want to like I think I could do them better if I did them yeah I remember I remember the first pair of ultimate lenses that you had I was a little I was a little like okay all right but then you then you switch to that new pair and I was like okay I like these a lot better and then you switched them again and I was like damn it when will it end when will it end I also I do want to I do want to encourage my viewers to to look through to look through some of your recent posts because that's where you're showing that you're selling the suits I don't want you to like gain absolutely nothing from this podcast so I want you to get some followers some clout maybe no clout maybe get some clout on you no I'm just kidding but you and then maybe have some people come over and buy your suits and I think also I think you know a lot of my viewers are like hey how the hell do you make this shit and I think maybe getting their hands on like a pretty cool costume that's been handmade can give them a lot of insight on how that's made like looking at movie suits sometimes isn't just enough for me sometimes I wish I could break in the Sony's headquarters and steal some of their old costumes so I could look at the intricate scene Sony better watch out bro that's meant for them I saw it also I was this is off topic but I was thinking about it the other day I was like where the hell do you think they put that like unused Civil War Spider-Man where do they put all of their suits when like the like it's the movie ends it's gone in those suits are just like sent to the fucking shadow where did they go like they in storage facilities I want to know I'm asking the kid I thought they give them to the actors but apparently they don't give anything they don't the academic steel props and stuff that's so lame I think they are like I know some suits are like in museums and stuff like I feel like they kind of auction off other suits cuz they do they do sometimes their double costume they they recently started auctioning off I remember last year they I think they auctioned off the Spider-Man 3's like red and blue suit I and like I have a I have a friend of mine that really wants to play Miles I know everyone has a friend that was playing miles fuck you and I I I'm just I'm gonna have to blacklist this shit if he ever gets hired because Sony's gonna just clap him up for this but he's gonna steal that shit I'm not gonna lie he's gonna and I'm gonna encourage it to I'm gonna be like take that shit but he's gonna be like okay I'm not really feeling that take it take I will I'm straight up like I'm I get so fucking oh it's so sad for me that like you see such like works of beauty on screen and then they're just they're gone they're gone forever like one of my least favorite things about the Tasm one suit is that we never got to see it in the daytime think about it like we got to see it in like sort of a sunset environment like a rise of it but never like in stark daytime which is sad which it does fit a lot more in the night the the vibes of the suit are definitely more night suit vibes but I kind of wish I got to see it in the day with all that pretty pain on it and shit but I'll just have to watch like people like I think it's a ACB I know I know his name his name's Andres and I've talked to them before but I don't remember his hat but he he made a pretty cool painted Tasm super anyway that's again off topic question one thing I wanted to say I really love in this suit you're wearing specifically does this I love when the spider logo is really fucking big and it like fills out the entire v-section here and I've always found that whenever I make costumes and I for this costume especially I was like I'm not really feeling the logo I'm gonna switch it out for something else this one I contemplated having a bigger one that sort of does the same thing yours does but then I was like I'm just gonna make it an evolution of that one suit that everybody likes that I barely wear so yeah but I was gonna ask relating to that another one of your suits that does a similar thing with a really big logo the radioactive Spider-Man suit that's one of my favorite fan-made Spider-Man designs because I think the purple the purple and yellow color scheme is one that actually I find really works well for Spider-Man and I was wondering if you could give me some insight on to what went into making that costume in the first place so it was like last year and like in school I do a lot and like I like draw little things and like my notebooks and stuff and I remember like like before then like a couple years before that you know how everybody like makes like they're like like their Spider-Man universe or whatever yeah and so I was doing that and I was like what if instead of red and blue I made him purple and black and so I did that and it looks cool but like I wasn't really feeling it because it was just it was just Spider-Man but he was purple that was like yeah and so like I revisited that design and I was like okay so if you switch some things around we give them yellow eyes make the make the purple webbing like we make the webbing like messy and stuff and so like it kind of just I started adding things to it I was like oh since he's edgy let's give him some hand wraps because he'd be in on whatever and that suit just kind of involved as like I went on doing it but good news I know I have a one that's in a while it's getting a remake kind of like yeah kind of like this one but it's a little bit different the logo is gonna be upside down and the backlog basic design oh I see you cut out for a little bit on that last part what did you say about the back logo the back logo is just gonna be different but like it's almost like the same exact design almost just oh I don't think I've seen the back logo in that suit it's very ugly I never really saw it that's fair that's probably why cuz I fucking I'm I'm I'm I fucking stock this shit out of your page whenever you put out a new suit I'll be like I scroll all the way through to the end I don't like it I don't like it until I get to the end but like yeah so like that back logo was messy I like it was out of foam I glued it on it kept falling off I was like I'm not gonna show the back that much yeah I remember I made a suit for spider Manderson and I would I I cut out this logo for him and then I glued it on the back of the suit and then I was like why the fuck isn't the glue sticking it literally it was gorilla glue velvet and some faux red leather and I was like what the it wasn't going on so what I do now is I just I cut out like a little strip of the fabric and then I'll take my foam material whatever I'm gonna use I just try to glue it on and then I'll do a little pull test see how well it sticks together that's what I do whenever I glue anything on because I fucking I was I was under so much stress after that suit because like I'm fucking making this for him I can't remake the entire thing I have to fucking rush to find the solution and I did and I did and then Manderson never wore it and I won't lie I was like I was looking forward to seeing that suit like I saw you working on it I was like oh yeah and then I never saw it I think I think what it is I think what it is and this is no offense to Manderson because like I understand that like if you don't like a suit that you paid for and you were and we're homies and we're friends you know what I mean it's kind of hard to come to me and be like hey I didn't I didn't like the way it looked on me and I get that and I I'd like to talk to Manderson about it sometime and maybe maybe we can come to a consensus the Matt I think the main problem he had was the mask I think the mask was I think the mask just didn't look right on his face and I think that's probably because of he's got like really big hair so that's kind of not my it is kind of my fault because I didn't really account for that but I think a lot of the time maybe wearing something under the mask that'll like because having like big hair that sticks up isn't really good for wearing like a full mask and also I think I probably I don't know cuz it's kind of it's kind of so like that used to affect me and I know like when other people like my friends sometimes like they'll put on my mask and stuff I'll be like that looks off it looks like it's just cuz like I made it for myself you know sometimes people get blessed with a perfect Spider-Man face shape and some people don't and it sucks and that brings me to my next point Kim Kim me and you me and you we have a very specific thing I remember I'll go through your comments whenever you post because I get excited to see what you have to say cuz there's always that one guy in each of our comments that's like you need a face shell and both of us immediately are like fuck you know for real it makes me mad it makes me mad because a lot of the time like recently I just posted the homecoming suit I did for a commission which I'm still waiting to ship out cuz the guys like okay wait till I get home and I'll pay you for it I'm like but I wanted the money now right and he so I I post a video me in that suit because like I can't just make sex and then not post it you know I mean and then I did I did do that and I remember I was like it was a banger video is a great job I look great in the suit I like shots I go in the comments the first thing I see is it's almost perfect it would be just that much better if you got a face shell and I fucking pop the fuck off I was like I don't need that shit fuck you or it was like something along the lines of that and then everybody in the comments immediately ran to that comment it was like hey man what the fuck is wrong with you why can't you take criticism it's like I shouldn't have popped off at him but at the same time I don't need a fucking I don't need it I don't need no no you did that cuz like yeah you know I'm gonna let come so I didn't say it like fuck you know like we spare me right now I'm gonna make sure it's a good one we get we get comments like on almost every video telling us what shouldn't be done with the suit it's annoying like like you're not wearing I would I would get it if I had a wonky face but we don't we look fine we we look fine that's the thing people be like it'd be so good but this already is but like you don't have to say but this cuz then you're just like you're not being genuine at that point yeah okay here's here's no face show here's no face show okay I want you to remember this remember this no face show I'm gonna put the face show on this is an old this is a face show I got off Amazon so it's not the face shape of it is fine I'm gonna put it on put it on virtually almost no okay actually wait the camera makes the camera makes it look good but I swear to God I my face is just a little fuller at the bottom and that's it there's like almost no difference to me like honestly you have a fine Spider-Man face you know like my jawline is fine and I think if anything you lose a bit of readability when you're in the face shell anyway like I did such a hard double-take just now where I was like okay that doesn't look too bad but my webcam sometimes be fucking me up but I and also it's just like I'd rather wear it without the face shell anyway like yeah the face shell does make it look just a tiny bit better but like why would I do that when my face is fine enough already and like I can take the mask off like this and you can see my mask move so that it feels like I'm actually a human being wearing a costume and not like a fucking robot with fabric on it yeah like this is annoying like not to hate on people who use face shells face shells are fine it's just not our thing you know yeah it's not like it's not like I'm saying if I if you use a face shell I'm gonna drone strike you but like yeah dude use it more power to you I think face shells are fucking awesome I'd like the versatility of it I like that you can have like a pair of lenses that you can use for every costume but I made this shit I don't need you coming in here and telling me what looks good when I've made sex I've made good shit okay I like you weren't here with me for the whole thing like you didn't sit here you didn't sit here and be like oh I think it would look better if you did this and I'm like it's just annoying it's just annoying okay I made this I would understand if it was like a zentai costume that there was no effort put into it by the person buying it other than the cash spent to get it fuck you I made this let me fucking wear it the way I want to fucking wear it like I can understand you face shell policing I'm like it was for this suit I got a comment and it was like you should get a face shell to be more accurate and I was like accurate so what my oh my this is my design I don't even like I swear to God these people who suggest face shells I feel like they don't even fucking know what they do I feel like there it's just something that that people are like hmm something a lot of spider-man cosplayers use and I know he's not using one I don't know what it does but I'm gonna suggest it's annoying as shit you don't know what it does I swear to God you just don't fucking know what it does you don't know what it's for because if you knew what it was for you wouldn't be up my ass right now it's so annoying it's annoying as shit it's like I don't need you here I don't need you here to like harp on me when my face looks fine that's I don't know I don't like I don't want to sit here and say the same thing over and over again for 20 minutes and then there's the people who just completely throw out the costume and they're like looks kind of trash without a face shell so you're telling me mine just the shape of my face was enough to ruin this costume do you know how many spider-man cosplayers on your for you page just buy a zentai that has no like dimension and texture to it and just call it a day fuck you your mama it's so annoying so annoying that's enough that's enough face shell hating and we've been doing this for like I looked away and I was like damn I almost ran through all the questions that we're not even like 15 minutes in now we're 20 we're now we're 10 minutes in and we've been complaining about face shells all right face shell heatedness facial heatedness is over okay that's literally what I typed out I typed out face shell heatedness I saw your Robin suit recently you recently posted your Robin suit and I was actually really fucking surprised with how good it was not like basing it off of like your quality of skill because obviously you have a lot of skills but I was so surprised how versatile you were with being like completely able to move over to a different because every superhero costume requires a different setup to put together it's like Batman requires like ironing because you have to do a lot of ironing and shit on the cape you have to fucking figure out a vacuum form a fucking rubber ass cat like spider-man is one of the fucking easiest things you can do honestly but I was so surprised to see how good your Robin was and I would like to hear you speak about that a little bit as I put as I forget to put pictures on screen of your Robin suit so little story about that suit that suit I made I made it in like what year 2020 and like it didn't look like that when I made it it was like a full suit type thing right I was like I like I never posted it because I like I didn't really like how I looked in it and then I revisited it this year and I was like okay I have like knee pads and like elbow pads and stuff now I was like I'm not really feeling the whole body suit type thing for Robin so I made it into like that little like I don't know what would you call it the shirt with like the skirt type thingies on it and like it's like a tunic like a tunic I guess you could call it that because that's what because like link from Zelda where's a similar thing and they got a tunic so I just made the body suit into that and then I just added all like the knee pads and like the gauntlets and the gloves and stuff and I was like okay this looks a lot better so yeah I might be commissioned to make a Robin suit soon which I'm actually really excited for because I've been waiting a long time for someone to come to me and give me something interesting about another superhero that I'd love to make I've been trying for a long time to get I don't want to get out of the Spider-Man game but I want to make something else just once and I was like I I don't want to reveal who it is for like privacy sake but someone came to me was like hey do you want to make a Dan more and Robin suit and I was like I would fucking love to do anything but Spider-Man for the next five minutes but it's not that I don't like Spider-Man anyway but we just we all need a break yeah we all need a break sometimes we all need a break sometimes like me me personally I my love of Spider-Man is strictly driven by the fact it's my special interest so like it's hard for me to get away from it sometimes but I've been feeling kind of a burnout recently I'm not gonna lie like my special interest used to be the entirety of Spider-Man and that's it but now as I have less and less time to sit down and read a comic book this is very intensive task you have to sit down and read you can't have shit going on in the background you can't be drawing as you're reading it you know what I mean so I moved more over to things that capitalized on my creativeness which is making stuff so I became more of like a passive Spider-Man viewer where like I consume all the things that I can do shit in the background with or that's completely intensive like a video game or a movie and that's when I sort of focused more on like the design of the Spider-Man costume and my special interest sort of is becoming more about me I swear to God but like shifting more towards how does Spider-Man be Spider-Man like making Spider-Man stuff I forgot what this question was about in the first place anyway I want to hear I want to hear some of your opinions about Spider-Man media nowadays that's something I'd like to hear like I don't know if you've been a frequent I have frequent watcher of my content I watch your stuff like awesome okay cool because yesterday I put out a video that's when I we filmed this we filmed this yesterday that was when I put out my we filmed with the but when this was filmed this fucking video you're watching was when I just put out that fucking suit video where I was like oh this suit sucks I want to know what you thought about the suits that I was legitimately shitting on in that video like the redesigns or like those suits like Marvel put out you know what I'd like to hear about both cuz I I'm not really I'm not really confident in like the major redesign I put in the beginning of that video I drew it up in an hour I was like skitshit and I came back to it like an hour later and I was like okay so like the I'm gonna talk about like the suits they put out first and redesign so okay that threat message suit ugly hate it would never want to look at it ever again less people are gonna watch this I'm gonna be mean to amen that shit is nasty I don't the colors I feel like just a recolor would fix that suit it would but like it's just I don't it's just ugly to me it's not the redesign you did I thought it was really smart that you implement it like switch and everything in it you know cuz like yeah I had that idea for a while you can even see in some of those recolors I did that I did those recolors maybe like a day that after that suit came out so that was an idea I had in the back of my head for a while I like the bad part but I feel like it might have been a little bit too simple just a little bit you know that's definitely fair but like I was so scared to open the comments but um and then what was the next suit it was like the band it was beyond but it was sort of a joke because all I did was center the logo and that's it that's all I did to it yeah I love that because I don't like the off-center logo looks weird to me it fucking pissed me off so much at first but then I like forced myself to be around the suit a little more and I was like okay I'm kind of digging that's what I do when I don't like costumes I'll force myself to be around them and that's how I sort of warm up to them a little bit I'm like okay it's mid like it'll go from fuck this I hate this to like okay it's mid or it's great so what I did with you remember when insomniac put out those three extra spider-man suits the amazing one the samurai looking one and then the the extra armored one it was like white that red dude what the fuck is the point of that suit like if it doesn't exist in Laura fine whatever but if it's a canonical suit why the fuck does he need it there's already a fucking armored version of that costume so why does he need this awkward ass in between her ass suit but like yeah yeah no but that's the way I warm up I want to know what you thought about the Oscorp suit because I've heard a lot of people who didn't hear about that suit until I put out that video I knew about it I saw it on Twitter and I was like Jesus but like it's not good like it looks too close to the classic suit but because you had those little ball sacks it's weird as shit like I'm again I'm gonna be mean cuz less people are gonna watch this I feel like the classic suit design that they put under the vet heavily carries the costume and it's just like at this point at this point why why like why would you if you're not gonna do something new if you're just gonna throw the classic suit under the vest then what's the point of even making it like if you get if you're gonna modify the classic suit and make something like the PS4 costume for example that's justifiable the quality of that suit justifies its existence because it's good it's a good suit it's good design but what's the point with this one what the fuck is the point that's the one time you know what I think the point is what we got like so many new spider-man suits it's it's like in the game like that's like yeah I the main reason I think that's fucking that's actually smart as shit because if you make a good enough costume they'll probably fucking put it in the game if you were gonna be like oh where's this from actually I didn't think about that but the thing is is like if there's one thing I want you to take away from that video I put out yesterday and if there's one design one design where I want you to be like oh yeah kind knocked it out of the park and did a better job than Marvel it's that it's the fucking escort suit it's the Oscorp suit you can think all of the other like redesigns I did were dog shit but if you think the Oscorp one is better that's the objective opinion because like I I don't want to be an asshole I really don't because I feel bad because I feel like often I forget there's someone behind all of this who makes this stuff yeah and I it's so easy to isolate yourself from calling someone's work bad and I get it all the time I remember the first time I had a video on tic-tac-co viral people trashed the shit out of my work and I was like damn this fucking this is mad upsetting so I feel like a lot of people who don't have clout like me should think about that when they say shit like that but anyway my Oscorp design is objectively better there's no arguing there's no argue it's true like I if you put out a poll right now you put on a poll right now of every Marvel fucking Spider-Man fan every fucking Spider-Man fan every Marvel fan fuck it let's just bring in the Marvel people mine would I would guarantee you mine would pull better mine would do better I think so change about your redesign is just add the web back that's it yeah honestly not actually nothing about that I'm kind of scared that it wouldn't pull well because you know how many because you want to know the same fucking you know it's not just one guy that put that suit in and nobody's like stop nobody like supervised him or anything mother fucker supervised him and saw that and they were like that's fine so you know there's probably going to be some people who were like no I just like that one and like don't do any fucking critical thing you know what pull Spider-Man fans just pull the fans because that's what it's for at the end of the day pull the fucking fans see what they think actually fuck what I said earlier anyway what do you what do you think about I want to know what you think about some of them the Spider-Man movies that come out because that's what I do a lot of the time when like I run out of questions I want to ask you what you think about Spider-Man media any hot takes any comics any versions of Spider-Man that you fucking absolutely hate the shit out of what do you like what do you love what do you hate I want to know about it okay so I have like I have one hot take that like I feel like everybody's gonna be like whoa what do you mean by that okay we could talk about that let's save it for a little bit I'm gonna talk about the movies first though all right so as a Spider-Man fan like for me I've been a Spider-Man fan like my whole life basically and I basically watched like almost all the media he's in pretty much even that shitty like Marvel Spider-Man like cartoon like I didn't finish that shit I hated it I didn't finish ultimate either mad annoying I finished both of them I'm like I'm watching that again but me but like I can't I don't hate any of the movies like at all well actually I have one that like I probably will never watch again which is far from home it's just I did not like that movie that's fair but I like all of them I just think some are better than others just cuz like I don't know I don't like the MCU formula like anymore like yeah I think a lot of people are tired of it I'm tired of it and like you put Spider-Man in that and I'm like oh man it's not really like that interesting anymore yeah I feel like a lot of comic book fans are just getting like especially like Moon Knight fans recently I've just watched Godzilla Mendoza I was watching it while editing my fucking video I put out yesterday I was like I thought moon I think people are so fucking so fucking horny to get angry at comic book fans for being mad when or not even being mad just not being satisfied when their character isn't adapted properly like why are you mad like you just got here you just fucking got here like your investment in this shit is not as big as the people who are reading the comics that expected it to be one way like why are you mad and like what's the problem with accuracy because if people liked Moon Knight before he was a fucking movie like a fucking MCU character why wouldn't they fucking like him if they just completely adapted it from the comics the same way like you'd probably just get the same fucking people who like Moon Knight or would have liked Moon Knight as a comic but don't read comics now they like him in the movie because the movie is the exact same way you would just get like people the same they would just get the same like fan base exactly the same and it wouldn't create this debate with comic fans where they're like oh it's not accurate and then people who are like no it is accurate shut up fuck you but it's like it's like my thing with accuracy is that like people will be like accuracy doesn't matter because it's an adaptation well then what are you doing the application for yeah literally make a new character then and like have to be the same character what the fuck is the point of adapting a character that no one fucking knows about you know what I mean like what's the fuck is the point of adapting and changing a character that no one knows about because then it's gonna make everyone think that it's not a way it's the it's not the way it actually is yeah but I I think that like I think yes accuracy is like a flippant argument because like do you be accurate to the run that everyone hates like do you be accurate like for example I've seen a lot of people shit on spider-man ps4 because it has very slot-esque writing so is spider-man so ps4 spider-man is accurate but he might not be as good so I guess accuracy is like I guess it's all about what people like just find out what people like from the comics instead of just taking shit from the comics and throwing it in willy-nilly find what people like find out what people like and put that shit in the movie because it's really annoying I'm tired of having this argument every fucking time a new Disney Plus show comes out where people are like yeah I wish that mr. Knight was actually how he was in the comics and not some goofy silly English man and then some fucking fangirl who just loves Steven because oh he's a fucking cute cute little man that she loves to infantilize because he has a mental disorder it's like no shut up it's better this it's so annoying it's so annoying yeah but I want to know I want to know what is give me give me your if you can't think of like a straight up list because I have to I have to sit down and think about this one I have this question but what is your give me your favorite spider-man movies least or most favorite to least favorite okay so most favorite it's like a tie spider-man one Toby and then into the spider-verse let's fucking go those are my top like those you like spider-man one more than two I do I like I watched it more but I was a kid I was like man fuck too I don't like it cuz like it didn't have action or whatever but like I got older I was like oh that's cool I like it so then like I think after those two it's spider-man two amazing spiderman one spider-man three like no way home and that's a hot-ass fucking take I okay I like it but like yeah it wasn't the best it wasn't the best written it wasn't it wasn't the best for me cuz like I like more grounded spider-man stories I don't like when he's like going in space and like in the multiverse yeah I like it I like it when it's like done well for like as character but like for me part of my dislike for no way home is like people like oh he's finally spider-man I'm like he shouldn't finally be spider-man he's had like six movie appearances you know yeah but I do think I still like it it's just it's not up there for me anymore oh yeah no it's definitely not the fucking best written like people I saw a lot of people that were being like oh this is the best spider-man movie of all time and I was like is it though like you did you did you think it was the best spider-man movie of all time or did you like it because you saw Andrew and Toby again like you got away all this shit together okay yes it's fair to pick it apart I think a lot I remember seeing an argument on Twitter that was like oh take out a big integral part of the movie and what do you have left obviously the movie's gonna be worse dude you can like for example with spider-verse if you took away the animated visuals you would still have a well-written movie like you would still have a really well-written movie that's a very good comedy yeah the animation back in it's stellar like if you pick up you can pick apart these movies and if there's still good shit left then that validates the pick apart argument and you can do that for bad movies too if you take out fucking Michael Morbius out of fucking Morbius you have a fucking bland movie that nobody cares about but if you put in Morbius you just get a tiny bit of name recognition and fucking Morbin time and that's it that's all you have you can pick apart movies and shit but no way home was not it's not the best spider-man movie of all time it's good it's definitely good but I think Toby and the shit from the earlier movies carries the fuck out of that movie yeah but it's good it's not it's bad it's fucking good like it's not bad like it's just it's not up there for me like I don't think I've seen a single Spider-Man fan outright be like I fucking hated no way home I think I maybe seen one guy one guy said he fucking hated no way home and I was like okay whatever it's fair but there's one thing I want to fucking say now I don't know if I said this in the last podcast with Johnny I might have so I'm gonna gloss over it really quickly people leave the fuck out of spider-verse people forget that movie exists and it makes me so sad because I think it makes me mad because like that is that is the it's the best one it's the best fucking one for me that's the comic book movie it is the comic it is the best comic book movie of all time all time it's not like embarrassed it's not like oh let me really make fun of it like it's embracing it like cuz I hate when you like the comic book media does that it's like oh we're like kind of like embarrassed that like it's so silly like then what what are you doing it for you know yeah they source material they only make fun of the source material when it is absolutely necessary and when it's actually fucking funny to do so like in the original cut of spider-verse there was a scene where spider-ham makes a joke when he's talking about Uncle Aaron dying when you watch the director cut they're like oh we had a joke that pulled really well but then we thought about it and we were like no that actually takes away from the emotional moment they're having right now and instead of keeping it in they took that shit out and I was like this scene would have been so much worse if they would have kept that in like spider-verse is it is the comic book movie of all time and there's one thing that makes that so for me if it wasn't animated it would just be among the best but the fact that it's animated to perfectly mimic the comic books is what undisputably makes it the best every comic book movie should be like that every single one yes like that is up there for me it's like it respects the comics it's fresh it wants to look like that like you know like that's just what makes it good for me you know it doesn't fucking it doesn't fucking do bullshit it does not do bullshit spider verse in the entirety of its runtime does absolutely zero bullshit there's no bullshit to be found not a frame is wasted not a frame not a single fucking frame is wasted in that fucking movie it's so fucking amazing I'm so scared that they're not gonna fucking do as good as they did on the sequel because they have a whole new writing team like fucking Chris Chris Miller and Phil Lord they've made some of the best fucking movies of all fucking time the most well-written movies of all fucking time and I'm fucking like I'm scared that I'm gonna have to be fighting in the trenches for this movie when it comes out because people are gonna be like oh it's not as good I'm scared I don't care I'm gonna be defending the spider-verse franchise till I die till I die sorry go on yeah okay so I think I think I'm ready to get into my hot take now because the people haven't already clicked off from what we've been saying ten minutes left baby let's let's argue I wonder if I'm gonna have to argue but I'm here now here okay so I thought about last night I'm like I know cause gonna ask me some media question I might pull this one out just to be okay so I think people argue a lot and it's like should Sony keep Spider-Man and I think yeah they should oh I was literally thinking about this shit last night I was like thinking about it I should make a video on this and then like completely fucking give only one reason and that one reason look look Sony needs to keep their hands on this fucking franchise I used to be like oh boycott no Sony need to keep that shit because I'm if we gave Spider-Man completely over to fucking Marvel and Disney they fucked this shit out of poor Peter bro we would not have we would not like if if during the whole fucking if Marvel didn't sell Spider-Man to Sony in the 90s we wouldn't have spider-verse we wouldn't have the best comic book movie undisputably of all time when you think about it we wouldn't have them see you either like yeah because Spider-Man fucking Spider-Man jump-started the shit out of Super Hero movies Spider-Man was such a fucking cock block buster that everyone was like okay we need to make the superhero movies like right now yeah and like my thing is if Sony keeps their hand on Spider-Man I love that because like they may not have the best track record or whatever right but at least they make stuff that isn't the same yeah at least we're guaranteed to get like a gem every now at least like we will get something different like if Disney held on the Spider-Man forever it just be like the same thing like every couple years we get like ultimate Spider-Man cartoon like every couple years we get like Spider-Man far from home again you know like but with with Sony having it at least we'll be like hey you random director do this literally eventually eventually it'll be it'll get a little muddy because like they likely put their hands in it but like the same time would you rather have like the same movie like a hundred times or would you ever have like different movies that vary in different quality that's what I'm saying because I feel like with Sony we at least got a gem more consistently than we did then we have like I can't think of the last Disney Marvel Spider-Man thing that they made and I was like damn that's just pretty heat other than no way home like with Sony we got fucking gems like Tazim one and that movie is a gem into the Spider-Verse and like the Spider-Man trilogy we got consistently good movies from Sony but now that the balls in Marvel's park they're fucking it up like again what the fuck is going on with these fucking cartoons like these are so dog shit they piss me the fuck off you know what you know what makes me mad about the cartoons what Disney owns Marvel Disney known for their spectacular animation is making sub-part shows animated show like that's the whole brand animation they make and it's the it's the same fucking thing every time with these fucking shows with these past two fucking Spider-Man shows it's been annoying ass voice actor for the character I hated Drake Bell before he was a pedophile okay I was cool before all you motherfuckers all right I say this every time he his name comes out of my mouth I hated him before all y'all know clout chased the shit out of that okay forgettable ass cast of characters that are either extremely annoying or like just do dumb shit that I don't care about or in the in the plot is just dumb the plot is dumb every fucking time there's something I always don't like about like the overarching setting with the newer one it was fucking Horizon school I hate that shit and then with ultimate it was the fact that shield was so far up given spider-man a prostate exam I wasn't feeling that I was so annoyed by that and then and then they would just do stupid ass shit for no reason like oh um do you want a fucking show that has slightly like a very slightly bland color palette but enough to piss you off no why would I want that this is a fucking comic book story this story based off a comic book why the fuck what I want the visuals to be fucking I don't know like fucking like bland and brown I don't want that shit like if there's one thing I liked about the ultimate spider-man cartoon it was sometimes it looked really fucking good sometimes like sometimes it would look fucking great and sometimes made it look awesome made me mad about ultimate spider-man is like it looks cool like it looks fine sometimes and like the story is not good it was just the fact that they fucking wall why is he doing that literally and they took the name of one of the fucking one of the most well-loved spider-man runs out there and fucking barely adapted anything out of it other than Peter's stupid ass haircut they didn't even attempt to make it look like Bagley's art style either it's so annoying yeah there's one thing I hate about Marvel's like recent voice actors I'm 19 years old okay this is what a 19 year old man boy sounds like my voice doesn't sound like my balls have been stuck inside of my fucking chest for six years I sound like this I sound like this I don't sound like fucking Robbie Damon just got punched in the fucking asshole I don't sound like fucking Drake Bell I'm a normal human being let Peter Parker have a deeper voice okay my voice isn't too deep but like my voice sounds like a normal 17 year old kid why the fuck are they why are they robbing Peter's nuts okay they're taking them shits they're not letting them hang okay make that man get a cup and give him a deeper voice it's so annoying yeah I can't believe you sat through that whole thing I love it like another thing like it's like so minor but like I've been playing Marvel's Capcom 3 recently and Josh Kean's incredible spider-man voices in that game right so good and then I popped in like the newer Marvel's Capcom and it's the voice actor from the Marvel Spider-Man show and I was like he does not sound good saying these little combo attack things and he doesn't at all sound like what he looks this man is fucking massive this man is fucking massive like if you if you look at the new Marvel vs. Capcom game look at Marvel vs. Capcom Spider-Man I'm not even gonna put it on the screen for you okay you look at Marvel vs. Capcom Spider-Man the new one this motherfucker could lift the entire earth on his back he's so fucking swollen and yet he sounds like a 12 year old boy are you kidding me are you fucking kidding me like he looks like it's the same thing with like how Mike Tyson looks versus what he sounds same shit why why does he sound like that dog like deep in his fucking voice for God's sake it's so annoying damn like so mad fuck like I don't know what the fuck is up there's one thing I like about Marvel though it's that like when they find a voice actor for Spider-Man they'll use him for the next few projects they did that with Josh Keaton I like that yeah he was in spectacular guy his time was up we need to get a man we need to get a new one he was in spectacular Spider-Man and then he did Marvel vs. Capcom and a few other things and then the next guy was I think he was the same guy that did Johnny test he was in Marvel League of superheroes then he was in a few of the video game tie-ins and then that was it we never heard from again then the Drake Bell era we had Drake Bell in that Marvel MMO in the show in fucking Avengers it should have been Josh Keaton they had a cut of Josh Keaton and they cut that shit out they need to release the Keaton cut baby and then Josh Keaton got outed for being a pedophile in Guatemala or whatever and then they got Robbie Damon to do fucking everything so he's in the show and then he's in the fucking VR game screaming in your fucking ear web tap fuck you I'm so tired of like I'm so tired of Marvel voice it gets me so annoyed it's annoying as shit my voice just cracked I'm because now my now that my voice is cracking and it sounds high I can be a Spider-Man voice actor for Marvel but I'm gonna wrap it up I'm gonna wrap it up since I've had you for about an hour and I want to ask you what is what is your favorite on-screen Spider-Man adaptation it can be a movie be any comic it can be just anything that isn't the source material what's your favorite Spider-Man spectacular Spider-Man that's fair that show is so fucking solid I fucking I we really need more shit like spectacular huh I hope freshman year is good I'm praying that that shit is good oh me too I'm like please what are they even gonna do that's my question I don't know like I feel like we've like we know what he's done you know like I don't know if it'd be interesting like they just like retcon a villain in there randomly yeah like what are we like is I don't know like cuz Peter it feels like Peter started doing this shit yesterday when Tony Stark picked him up so like I don't know but anyway that's all I've been your favorite non problematic white man podcast host thank you all so much for watching I really appreciate it Cam I'm gonna put what links do you want in the description you are Instagram anything else whatever anything you need some you know sprinkle cloud my Instagram and my tiktok I got you you should go you should go follow a lot of people find me from tiktok and some of you guys who are just strictly YouTube heads you guys should go check out my tiktok because there's a lot of good content on there and check out chems too because I there are tiktok droughts baby we're on a post for a long-ass time but it's like I always say when we go on live together when chem is not when I'm not posting chems fucking posting baby and same same way vice versa so anyway chem I really fucking appreciate you for having me on and I've been I've been asking a lot of people this because this this series is low-key dying not a lot of people want to sit down for an hour and listen to me and some stranger talk so who do you do you think who do you think would be a good idea to have on I think spider boy would be good to have on yeah I actually talk with him all the time with with we have a junk art server I'm part of junk art I talked to him all the time so I could probably have him on the lad is the English lad super cool guy super nice makes awesome stuff we have like a rivalry we have a little bit of a rivalry going on where we fuck because we I'm like a bit of like classic safe spider-man or like I'll make a design that's pretty safe and people like it but fucking fucking key in which is his name spider boy he likes to get into them fucking trenches and fucking do shit that people are eating like people either hate his work or they love it and I kind of respect that respect that we were always fucking bickering at each other so you know what that probably be a fun episode if I had him on because it probably be just screaming at each other for a fucking hour so you know what I think I'll do that I think I'll do that anyway thank you chem so much for coming on I really appreciate it go check out chem's links they will be in the link in the description they will be in the tick tock also we're trying out something new with the way I upload this podcast and premiere you guys didn't know it was camp until camp is on the screen and I'm gonna if it I'm gonna see if that did well so either you guys if you guys fucking came to this video a lot more you than last time we're doing that shit again that's your fault and I'm not telling you until you watch all the way through so sit on that feel guilty 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