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Rwy'n goin'ch τri同 sydd wedi siŵr Bart我也. lodgwch Gilion ar hios coffin Freedom Kinganken, drwch ar weithio o fod, coffin agendacyfl neu gwbl yn rhan. Gan yw pitlwch beth, ondat rydyn ni i'w s Ripham olywயl. ..og mi'n shreddeda'n cerddill-juad. Mewn gweld ddigon i'n meddwl, gallai i'n meddwl yn cerddill. Rhyw wiell y bydd yn ymgyrch ymwrdd. Oes o'r rai, oeddwn fagor ei ma兴ig? Yr rai, mae'n gweithio yma. Mae'r daug i'ch rai fagorol i'ch rai... ...o'r bobl yn Gottengol, yma. Mae Rhaiddeddi Milgrithioigueig. Rhaid dae bawb.wn i'n meddwl hynny dyfnodol sy'n gweld... ..wg rhollwch i'ch rhollwch. I should have introduced Dr Douglas Delacy, who is attending in person in order to ask a question. You're very welcome, Douglas, and it's very nice to see you again. So, do we have any declarations of interest relating to any business on this agenda? Yes. Thank you, Councillor Batchelor. Yes, thank you, chair. I haven't unregistered the interest in item nine, recommendation five, and when we come to that particular recommendation, I will leave the meeting. Thank you very much, Councillor Batchelor, that is noted. So, I have a, what's termed, and other registerable interest in relation to item seven, and this policy affects my interest because I own a property in South Cambridgeshire which is rented out, and so I shall leave the room at that point as well, and Councillor Peter MacDonald will take over the chair from me. Any other interests? Councillor John Williams. Thank you, leader. I also have the same interest, and therefore I shall also be leaving the room for this item. Thank you very much, and I believe that does leave us quarat, so the business can continue. Thank you. Right, so moving on to the minutes of the previous meeting, which are at pages one to page six, I shall propose these, and Councillor Bill Handley will second them. Are there any comments resulting from the minutes? Thank you. So, do members agree to approve the minutes? Thank you. Anyone wish to vote against? Anyone wish to abstain? So, Cabinet therefore agrees to approve all of the minutes as a correct record by affirmation. Now, we've got, we're on to public questions. Now we've received two public requests to speak. We've got Sylvia Sullivan, Clarke of Little Grandslam Parish Council. Are you online, Sylvia? I am indeed, Madam Chair. Hello, very nice to hear you. Do you want to ask your question at this point, or do you want to wait until we get to the item on the agenda? I will do whichever Cabinet finds most convenient for them. Okay. Well, it's just at item nine, so it's quite early on. Shall we take it at that point on the agenda? Is that all right with you? That's absolutely fine with me. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you very much, Charlie Good. And Dr Delacy, again, you are asking a question. Do you want to do that now, or would you like to do it at the point on the agenda? Thank you very much. Over to you. Thank you very much. Indeed, my question is as on the supplementary sheet. Thank you very much, and Councillor Handley is going to respond to you. Sorry, yeah, through you. Dr Delacy, thank you for the question and for the positive comments that are in your question. Officers are ready to award a contract for additional warm packs that we're going to be discussing later in this meeting and hopefully improving. I can confirm that the specification for thermosflask will ensure high quality and that they will keep liquids warm for 12 hours. I've asked officers to consider what tips and advice we can give with the warm packs, but until we confirm a supplier and how they will be distributed, I can't give details at this time. I hope you can take on trust that we will give users the very best information possible so that they can get the best from them. Thank you again for the question. Do you have a follow-up, Dr Delacy? Thank you, leader, if I may. Being greedy, could I ask for more? I'm actually writing a series of articles for our local parish news on how to avoid wasting energy and the first one of those will be how to do it for free. There are so many things people could do like using a thermos, like using a rolled up towel as a draft excluder, that most people just don't think about even when they are in, whatever the word is, poverty and needing to count pennies very carefully. So I wonder if you would think about doing that perhaps with the next South Cams magazine and distributing it to all your council tenants. Thank you. Thank you, Dr Delacy, through you, chair. That sounds like a very good idea to me and I will certainly take it, raise it with Gareth Bell, who's, I don't know if Gareth wishes to speak, but certainly that's something we will certainly take seriously and consider. Thank you very much indeed. Gareth, do you want to, because I'm sure you'll welcome all these suggestions and we'll be, you know, biting Dr Delacy's hands off to see his articles. Do you want to comment on this? Just very briefly, chair. Dr Delacy, will be pleased to know that there's a number of pages in the next residence magazine related to cost of living and related issues. It may not cover exactly the article that Dr Delacy would cover, but it's certainly work that is ongoing. We'll definitely take that on board and obviously we've got opportunities to follow up with the timing of the magazine for this winter. We might just be a few days too late to make changes to that because we're literally on print, but we're absolutely and we'd be very interested if Dr Delacy could share his work with us as well because we want to provide us best information we can. Thank you very much indeed. Yes, and I'd be really grateful if you would share personally with myself and councillor Handley, we'd be very interested. You know, we do have a website and there's lots of information on there, so our magazine isn't the only way we have of communicating with our residents and we don't have all the answers, so we're very grateful when residents share their best practice with us as well, so thank you very much. Thank you leader. Right, moving on now to item six, which are issues arising from the scrutiny and overview committee and I don't believe we have anybody speaking on behalf of the scrutiny and review committee, but they reviewed the fees and charging and there's some comments on page seven there, so members are asked to note the report. Thank you, so moving on to item seven, which is the minimum energy efficiency standards policy and this is the point at which myself and councillor Williams will leave the room and councillor McDonald will take over. Good morning everybody who's continued to join us, my name's councillor McDonald, lead member for business and economic recovery, so I'm going to chair this item item seven, the minimum energy efficient standards policy and that's as I don't own any rented property and therefore doesn't impact me in the district, so I think councillor Milnes is going to introduce the report and move the recommendations over to you councillor Milnes. Yes, thank you, I'm not able to move the that's fine councillor Milnes, so we'll take the cabinet's ask to, I think I can move Rory, is that okay? I'd like to recommend that we approve the minimum energy standards policy as laid out in the paper and very much following in the context of government guidelines and energy efficiency and trying to safeguard tenants, so I hereby move that, is that seconded please? Thank you councillor John Batchelor, seconded, are there any cabinet members who want to speak on the item? Sorry, I'm quite happy to introduce it although you've already done so councillor McDonald, so that's fine, just like to commend the work of Rory Cosgro the officer who's here in attendance today for this and clearly it's a very timely intervention so that we comply with government legislation and making sure properties in the private sector are ensured that they are kept to a minimum energy efficiency standard is clearly well worth recommending to the cabinet that we approve this as our policy, thank you. Thanks a lot councillor Milnes, are there any non-cabinet members who wish to ask questions on this item? Okay, in the absence of any questions, then the recommendation is set out in paragraph four of the report, I'm sorry, could I just have a word as a seconder? Sorry, go ahead. Yes, thank you very much. I just want to make it clear that we as an authority are also fully meeting these standards for the benefits of those listening, the council does have a private company called Irmin Street who rents properties on the open market and all their properties meet these standards, I just want to make that completely clear. I'd also say just for information that our own council properties, although they don't come under this legislation, would also meet all these requirements, thank you. Thank you very much and sorry for curtailing your opportunity to speak councillor bachelor. Okay, so the recommendation as I said is set out in paragraph four of our report which is to approve the minimum energy standards policy, do members agree with the proposal? Does anybody wish to vote against the proposal and does anybody wish to abstain? Accordingly then cabinet therefore agrees the proposals by affirmation, thank you very much, I think we can invite councillor Smith by. Thank you, that was speedy. Right, thank you very much indeed. So on to item eight which is mobile homes, fit and proper persons policy and fees and charges. So I am going to propose this and I believe councillor John Bachelor is going to second it. Do we need someone to speak on this or is it all quite, but do we want any narrative on this or is everyone? Sorry, I beg your pardon Brian, councillor Milne, sorry you were going to speak on this. Council Milne's, would you like to come in on this? My apologies. Well I'd just like to as in the previous item commend the work of Rory Cosgrove who's here in the meeting, if we need to have any questions answered on this, the mobile homes policy ensures that we, any people who are managing or owning the properties are covered by this policy. So I commend it to cabinets, thank you. Thank you very much. Are there any questions? Thank you. Do members agree with the proposal please? Anybody wish to vote against? Anyone wish to abstain? Cabinet therefore agrees the proposals by affirmation and moving on to item nine which is future use of plots of HRA land. Now I'm going to ask Mrs Sylvia Sullivan to come and speak in relation to item little seven and we are going to, once we have talked about that, we will leave item five until the very end and councillor John Bachelor will, sorry councillor John Bachelor will leave the room when we discuss that one, but we will take all the other items on block. So Mrs Sullivan, would you like to talk on behalf of Little Grandston Tarish Council? Thank you very much Madam Chair and thank you to cabinet for agreeing to listen to Little Grandston's submission. The chair Nusine Rustami regrets that she's unable to attend because of her work commitments within the National Health Service. Sorry Little Grandston has no public open space. Take your time, it's fine. I'm sorry I'm having difficulty reading. So do you want to, would it help if somebody, if I read out for you the letter that you've written on behalf of the council? That would be wonderful. Thank you very much Madam Chair and I'm happy to answer any other questions that maybe put forward. So the letter that was sent on behalf of Mrs Rustami who's the chair of Little Grandston Parish Council said we write the request that our parish council's preliminary application to Southcown's housing department for the acquisition of the land to the north-west of Primrose Walk Little Grandston be considered at your meeting on the 14th. Little Grandston has no public open space area and no playground. Our residents have no space to meet up in an outdoor area to socialise or partake in group outdoor exercise. We wish to provide a carefully designed playground area with a variety of biodiversity stations that can be educational in the appreciation care and preservation of native plants, trees and flowers. We propose to consult residents and actively involve them in its design. Many members of our local community have professional expertise and skills in land management, wildlife conservation, biodiversity and horticulture. We shall make a pitch to recruit and coordinate a road for volunteers in its upkeep and future developments. The subgroup of parish councillors allocated this project will also be conferring with organisations including the local branch of the Wildlife Trust and the Cambridge and Peterborough Environmental Records Centre to obtain the best advice on the types of plants to grow and so on. Our exciting vision for the development of this green space for our community intends to explore and implement innovative ways so that our residents can enjoy a peaceful space as well as having the opportunity to plant commemorative trees and shrubs in celebration of important life events such as birthdays and anniversaries. Say our ambition is to secure and realise this acquisition in time to commemorate the coronation of King Charles III in May 23. Thank you for considering our proposal. So would any members like to ask some questions or comment on this? No? Okay. So, is there anything you'd like to add, Mrs Sullivan? No, I don't think so. It's all encompassed within there. There was an application many years ago that the parish council attempted to lease this piece of land for informal recreation. That came to nothing. Thank you. I used to be the district councillor for Little Gramsdon so I do know the area and I also know how committed the parish council is. It's a little parish council but it punches well above its weight, much of that largely due to Sylvia actually. Jolly good. Right, so I'm just trying to find where the recommendations are on my notes in relation to this one. 51, sorry. Right. So the proposal is to instruct architects to establish whether two affordable bungalows could be delivered on the site if not possible or if financial viability cannot be established. Explore options to support the doubling nature strategy. So we're going to, so what the parish council would like us to do is to change this recommendation to say that we will sell the land to Little Gramsdon Parish Council in order that they can deliver that doubling nature, that doubling nature work, which we are so committed to. Is that a fair summary, Mrs Sullivan? Yes, I think so. Wearing my RFO hat, I would have a question about the ability to purchase such land. So the possibility of a long-term lease as a peppercorn rent might be an alternative. At the moment, as you appreciate, we're very much in an exploratory stage following our submission to the earlier application to sell the land. So I think things are open to negotiation. That's fine. So I mean, we obviously have an obligation to achieve the best value for the council assets, but I think we can amend the recommendation to say that South Cambridge District Council agrees to negotiate with Little Gramsdon Parish Council for the land to be transferred to the parish council ownership for environmental enhancement and for their player, for community use. All right, so there'll be a process of negotiation. I'm looking at Councillor John Williams, who's in charge of the money to make sure he's in agreement with that. Okay, so I will propose that amendment. Councillor Handley? Thank you, thank you, Leader. Can I just ask what to happen if the proposals get nowhere, basically, unable to do what they wish to do, what will we do, really come back to cabinet in a later date? Yeah, yeah, we'll bring it back to us. Okay, I think that's a really good idea. If we delegate to the head of housing and Councillor John Batchelor to make final decisions on this based upon the negotiations, Councillor Batchelor? Well, if I could refer to the report, you see the sale or lease to the parish council is one of the options which is actively being considered, and that's 56. So I would suggest that the fallback position will be, if it's not a viable proposition to build for ourselves, then we would take due consideration to the parish council along with other options. So I don't actually think that's what we're saying. I think we're saying that we will, for the time being, shelve our recommendation to build on it, and that our preferred option is to enter negotiations with the parish council to either sell or lease. So we're moving from option A, which was the preferred option on this paper. We're going to reject that, and we're going to accept option B, which is a sell or lease to the parish council for community use. So that's what I am proposing. Come back, Councillor Batchelor. Thank you very much. I think it would be better to keep a number of options open rather than the closed options off. Okay. There's, what, one, two, three, four, five possible options in the body of the report, and I would suggest that we revert to those if in the first place we can't build ourselves. Okay. Our policy is that our first priority is to provide affordable housing on any plots of land that we have. We have very few plots of land, so it is important that we take every opportunity. Okay. So whilst appreciating that, sorry, let me just take some of those ones. Okay. Right. So thank you. So on advice, I think this is probably not the right place to have a sort of big negotiation, a big debate about this. So I think if we defer this for now, allow some negotiation with Councillor Batchelor and Director of Planning and Little Grandstone Parish Council to get a better understanding about what community benefits are, and also a better understanding, well, a broader understanding about our obligations as the district council, and then bring this back to Cabinet in December for a final decision on it. Are you happy with that, Councillor Batchelor? Yes, thank you. So do I have a seconder for that? Councillor Batchelor is going to second that. So, oh, hello. Heather, would you like to come in? Thank you. Sorry, thank you, Leader. It was just on this item in general, and so I can't move in the room, was about, so from Planning Committee, so I'm going to talk, I'm not going to predetermine myself, but talking about previous applications, it has been a frustration on Planning Committee when self-build plots have come to us, and we feel that we really should be building feudal housing going on Councillor Batchelor's point just made. So, I do welcome that that's being looked at, and I thought it might help just to refer to a previous application on Primrose Walk, which was in January this year, where Committee did actually refuse based on the impact and loss of visual immunity, and I would just strongly advise any decision making that people may make to look at the Committee's reasons for refusal when deciding what to do with land down Primrose Walk. Thank you, Leader. Thank you very much, Councillor Williams. Sorry, I met the director when I've been pulled up here, very Monday morning at the moment. Right, so when I said that negotiation, we would defer this item, and there would be continued negotiations, I'm sorry, with the director of housing, not planning, I'm so sorry, and Councillor Batchelor and the Parish Council in order to find a way forward for this in order that it can come back in December, and we can make a final decision, because I am aware that the Parish Council have given themselves quite a short timeframe if they want to be able to make some progress on this in time for the coronation. Okay, so that's already been proposed by me and seconded by Councillor Batchelor. Do Members agree that this item will be deferred until December? Anyone disagree? Anyone want to abstain? Thank you very much, okay. So we're now going to go back to, so thank you very much indeed, Mrs Sullivan, and we will be in contact with you very soon about that. Thank you, I'll now leave the meeting. Thank you all very much indeed. Thank you, nice to see you. Bye-bye. Okay, so we're now going to take on block all the other items, bar the item on horseshoe's lane, western cove. Sorry, Chair, could I introduce the item? I'm coming to that, yes, so please. So over to Councillor Batchelor now. Thank you very much. So this is all about achieving best value on the few bits of land that we as a council actually own and have control over. The self-build project simply did not achieve this and so effectively we are no longer taking any part in the self-build project. Our priority on these bits of land are to provide affordable housing wherever it's financially viable to do so, which would also make it very clear that our obligation is to meet best value and by best value we mean the official valuation of each plot. We would not sell any plot below the valuation. So having said that, I recommend the remaining items on the list with the exception of western cove or the fifth one for which I will be leaving the room. Thank you. Thank you very much indeed, Councillor Batchelor. Right, does anyone else wish to comment on any of these items? No, and I believe Councillor Bill Hanley is going to second it. Do you want to say anything? No, thank you, Leader. Thank you very much. So taking all the items excluding item five, Horshow, Tulane, Westin, Coelville, on block, do members agree with a proposal? I'm sorry, and excluding the item seven, Primrose, Walk, Little Branson. Members agree with proposal? Thank you. Anyone wish to vote against? Anyone wish to abstain? Thank you. So cabinet therefore agrees the proposals by affirmation. Okay, so we will now come back to the item that's excluded. Okay, right. So now that Councillor John Batchelor has left the room, Horshowsley, Lane, Westin, Coelville, the options are to seek revaluation and sell on the open market without restrictions, B to retain it as a parking area with management and maintenance costs retained within the HRA, C to retain within the South Cam's ownership and explore options for use to meet objectives of doubling nature. And the officer recommendation is option A, which is to seek revaluation and sell without restrictions. Would anybody, I will propose this, I think Councillor Hanley, you're happy to second it. Would anybody like to comment on this? No? Okay, so do Members agree the proposal? Anyone wish to vote against the proposal? Anyone wish to abstain? Thank you. So cabinet therefore agrees the proposals by affirmation. Okay, so moving on. I'm sorry. I'm just going to wait a second for Councillor Hanley to return into the room. Thank you. So item 10. Now this is obviously a very, very critical item. So this is about the cost of living crisis support for residents, probably the most important, one of the most important things we'll deal with today. So Councillor John Williams, I think you're going to move the recommendation and introduce the report. And Councillor Bill Hanley, I think you're seconding it. I'm pretty sure you'll want to say something on this as well, as I know both of you have been working very hard on it. So over to you, Councillor Williams. Thank you, leader. When I proposed the motion at the last full council meeting, I'd ever be confident that our officers would be able to come up with a package of proposals to deal with the cost of living crisis in South Cambridgeer. And I've not been disappointed. It's extremely good suite of actions to support our residents, particularly those on low incomes who are going to be very badly impacted by the recession, particularly this winter, with regard to fuel and other costs going up. So I'm very pleased to be able to recommend to you that you agree to this package of measures ranging from discretionary homes, housing payments to access to affordable food, and charitable giving, which we're in £15,000. We're setting up and we hope that others will contribute to that fund to help people with things such as slow cookers and electric blankets. And being able to ring fence £20,000 for our community chest grant scheme to enable parish councils, all parish councils, to pitch for funds to enable them to help the most affected in their parishes. So I really do recommend this. This is an ongoing situation, though, and I'm sure that as other issues come to light, and we're of course waiting to see what the budget brings on Friday, but that may well also involve us having to continue with this and go further. But clearly this is a good start, and I'm very pleased and I thank the officers for heeding our call and for producing these schemes. Thank you. Thank you very much. Councillor Handley, do you want to speak at this point? Yes, please, Leader. I'd like to echo what Councillor Williams said. I think it shows we've responded very quickly to the challenge of the cost of living crisis, and I fully support the proposals. I'd also like to thank officers who have worked incredibly hard to bring these proposals forward. I can't be understated how hard they've worked. Like most authorities, this council knows Bethan anyone who's likely to be hardest, hit hardest by the cost of living, and we have an extra track record of supporting local residents, such as during the COVID pandemic. So let's hope that the Chancellor of the Exchequer recognises this and makes sure that local authorities are properly funded to continue to give real help and support where it's needed. Thank you very much. Anybody else like to contribute? Anybody who's participating remotely? Thank you. So if I could just add my thanks to officers. I know you've put a massive amount to work into this, and it has been an emergency, but as a council our officers have acted as if this is an emergency and needed a really, really fast response. So I think this is a very, very exciting package of measures that we put in place. This situation isn't going to go away, and the numbers of people in our communities who are going to find themselves struggling is only going to go up. And therefore we've got to make sure that we are fleet of foot and hopefully adequately financed by government in order to allow us to do as much as we want to do and as much as is needed to be done. So thank you very much for Councillor Williams and Councillor Handley for your leadership on this, and thank you very much indeed to all the officers who I think have been seriously burning the midnight oil on it. So the recommendation is to approve the priorities and allocated funding set out in paragraphs to support South Cambridge communities during the current cost and living crisis. Do you members agree with the proposal? Does anyone wish to vote against? Does anyone wish to abstain? So council cabinet therefore agrees the proposals by affirmation. Thank you very much indeed. Item 11 is the local council tax support, and Councillor John Williams is going to introduce this and move the motion, and I will second it. Councillor Williams. Thank you, Leader. Well, as you can see from the previous report, this is part of the suite of measures that we're introducing to help across the living crisis. Because it's directly affects our council tax collection, this has to go to consultation and will be part of the February decision on the council tax for next year. So we can't introduce this straight away now, but we need cabinet's approval to kick this off so that we can go out to consultation and be ready in time for the February meeting. It's quite clear that we want to expand it to ensure that we've covered everybody who should be entitled, so it will cover 100% of those of working age who qualify, and we're also ensuring that it keeps up with the cost of living as part of the package. So again, I'd ask you to agree this so that we can now get on with consulting on it and so that we're able then to make these changes for the next financial year. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor Williams. How long was the consultation for? I don't know, it will certainly, we'll be certainly starting it soon and it should be completed before Christmas. Good, good, good, those can't come fast enough. So excellent, thank you very much indeed. So this will actually, you know, this will affect people's, this will have a direct effect on the cost of living for very many people, so I'm very pleased. We are doing it. Any comments from anybody? No, okay, so moving, moving swiftly on. Recommendation is to approve option one for consultation with resident stakeholders, including precepting authorities and parish councils. Do members agree with the proposal? Anyone wish to vote against? Anyone wish to abstain? So cabinet therefore agrees the proposals by affirmation. Thank you very much. Thank you, Councillor Williams. And item 12, the provisional general fund revenue and capital up turn. So that is Councillor John Williams again and I will second over to you again, Councillor Williams. Thank you, Leader. Just like to first of all apologise that you are receiving this report slightly later in the financial year following closure of the last year's accounts than you would otherwise have done. I do apologise for that but as you probably appreciate officers have been quite tied up with other things and as the previous reports have shown that we're now able to close the last year's accounts and I would ask you to note and approve the out turn for last year. Thank you. Thank you very much. Does anyone wish to speak on this item? Nobody online? No? Okay. I'm happy to second it. The recommendation is set out in paragraph four of the report. It's quite long so I won't read it. I assume you've all read it. Do members agree with the proposal? Anyone wish to vote against? Anyone wish to abstain? The cabinet therefore agrees the proposals by affirmation. Thank you and moving on to item 13 which is fees and charges. Now members please note that appendices B and C of this item are restricted as they contain commercially sensitive information. It's not anticipated that discussion will need to take place on any of these on the appendices but if requested we will have to move into confidential session. So if members do want to discuss the appendices could they indicate now? Anybody online? Okay. So if you change your mind if you could just let us know so we can quickly move into confidential session. So councillor Williams again is going to put the recommendation and speak to the item and I will second it. Councillor Williams. Thank you leader. You'll see that scrutiny overview have made comments on this, have seen it. Basically fees and charges on average are being increased by around five percent. Some fees aren't going up at all or where we believe that where we can to help people in the current cost living crisis fees have not gone up and there are some places where they have gone up more than five percent because they are basically commercial or fees to do with planning services which we felt that could be increased by more than five percent. But by and large we've kept the increase to around five percent given that the current inflation rate is double that. So I hope you'll agree that we should go ahead with these fees and charges which will come in for the next financial year. Thank you very much and hopefully government might allow us to get full cost recovery for some of our services such as planning due course which will help. Councillor Batchelor. Also in the housing area because we're not in a position yet set the rents for next year in that we're waiting on the government's decision about whether or not they're going to cap it so that is quite a significant element which we're still waiting on. Thank you and that will obviously have significant impact on us as a council maintaining our housing stock, won't it? So any other comments from anyone in the room? Anyone online? No? Okay so I'm happy to second this. The recommendation set out at paragraph three to approve the fees and charges as detailed in Appendix A of the report to take effect from the 1st of April unless otherwise stated all the earliest feasible date thereafter and to note the proposed variations to fees and charges in comparison to the prevailing inflation rate which is detailed in the report so do members agree with the proposal? Anyone wish to vote against? Anyone wish to abstain? So cabinet therefore agrees the proposals by affirmation. So we're now going to we've now come to the point on the agenda where we need to consider whether to exclude the press and public from the meeting and this is because the next items contain information which is commercially sensitive. Members of the public are advised that if cabinet agrees to exclude press and public the video stream will end. So I therefore propose that the press and public will be excluded from the meeting during consideration of the following items of business in accordance with section 100A brackets for the local government act 1972 on the grounds that if present there would be a disclosure to them of exempt information as defined in paragraph three of part one of schedule 12A of the act brackets has amended. Is that seconded? Council MacDonald, Council MacDonald is going to second. Do you members agree with proposal? Anyone wish to vote against? Anyone wish to abstain? Thank you. So cabinet therefore agrees the proposal by affirmation. Members of the public are watching the webcast this means the video stream will now end. Thank you very much for joining us today to view the cabinet meeting. I know the next meeting of cabinet is scheduled to take place on Monday 12 December 2022 and farewell Dr Delacy. Very nice to see you. Please cycle safely if the folks still there and if it's bad stay and we'll come and talk to you. All right. Thank you.