 So one of the trickiest things about coaching beginning discus throwers is transitioning from the middle to the finish and in this video we're going to talk about a couple of big things that make it hard how to fix them so check it out. What's up guys it's Eric Johnson from Airtate Throws Nation and in today's video we're going to talk about how do we move into the power position. Now if you looked at our last video on how do we coach the discus throw for beginners this is a kind of continuation this is part two we're going to do a three video series on this and we'll do it for each event for the discus the glide shot and the rotational shot now one of the things we talked about when we are here in the discus the next phase that gets really tricky is understanding when we're in the middle of the circle how do we set up the throw and move into the power position that we just discussed now if you are brand new to throwing we just talked in the last video some basic things that heel-toe position we talked about the basics of setting up on top of the power leg the power position leg right the delivery leg and being able to turn it you'll notice that if I'm not stacked believe it or not this simple action of keeping everything and I call it a stack just like Legos one Lego on top of the other we put four or five or six together they go straight up foot knee hip peck how do I get all that on a line one of the things we talk about this is a simple thing you see a lot of people and they do this and that can create the stack but I see a lot of people who do this and then the kids aren't carrying that discus right like we talked about in the first video and then what happens they get here they do this thing they bend at the waist the hips are going back they're here and now they're in this position and they're coming through and they're doing this type of a throw because they didn't load correctly so one of the things we talked about is how do we turn there's what we call the vertical line this is your axis now if I stand in kind of a squat position right you see me here you see how this bands on a slight angle so what I'm going to do I'm gonna get the foot the knee the hip and the chest right so you're gonna see how I have all this on a straight angle at this point so now I'm here you see everything this way and what we call we call it in our system just a simple drill an elevator drop what does an elevator do it drop straight down we want to drop into our legs like this now watch what I can do I can turn this side notice how that all turns really easily notice if I set up incorrectly if I bend into a stand throw my hips no longer on this line when I do this look at how everything shifts now I'm trying to throw well how are you ever going to teach your athletes to turn through so what do a lot of athletes do when they get in this position and they're taught incorrectly or they're doing it wrong because it's unnatural so it's okay they need to understand this is this isn't a natural thing but they need to learn how to do it correctly and then over time very quickly if you're doing it correctly the right motion starts to develop so when we like as I was saying if I get here and I start to shift right I can't ever get this hip through I'm never going to turn this hip through so what are they learning do they're learning to pull and you're going to see a lot of this and sometimes you see kids who do this they throw and they kind of spin around because the upper body is pulling them off this leg they have to learn how to stay on top turn this and turn through and that's how you start teaching the reverse which again is not exactly basics 101 that's something you want to incorporate after just a couple of weeks especially if you got a brand new beginning thrower but if you can do these sorts of things you set that stack right everything's here you set an angle we drop into the position and we learn how to turn and the lower body turns the upper body when we're here I turn this I get to a point right my lower body's turning I'd hit that block I keep twisting this through and then I would see that you can see how that would bring me a motion of taking the body around and into the throw that's what's really important so when we're moving into this position right we're going to set up so now we would go through some basic drills now we'll give you one of the drills from our program and remember in our system we just covered again some five six review this is what we call pillar three from here we're moving pillar three into the middle in the air is pillar four clearly I can't demonstrate being in the air so you'll notice from this camera where my hips are where my weight's at so what I'm going to do is squat and turn and you're going to see me push here I'm going to keep my head with my chest and I'm going to push off this leg I'm going to go straight down and turn and now I'm into that same position and all I've got to do is have the athlete turn here so many people will do drills and they'll say you know turn and put the leg down if you see a video doing that I'm going to highly advise you not to watch that video anymore you do not do this in a throw and there are a lot of things out there telling you get your foot down fast that's not how it works what you want to have your athletes do is squat turn and open this because we talked about down the left sector line notice where my feet are and now I can twist through you've got to get your athletes to learn how to do this it's lower body moves the upper body it goes without saying that if you have your athletes and you're brand new and you're trying to get to this transition you're going to have them learn how to step in what a lot of athletes do they step in and everything is turning so they're trying to rotate everything there's no separation you have to allow the lower body to move ahead of the upper body now you're starting to create that torque that separation so we can get here and land into the power position notice how I'm open notice that I'm pretty stacked up now I'm going to be able to turn through so how do you get your athletes to do this they've got to be holding that disc is right so this is your next step so your next step is we would go again inside our program we show you how pillar three drills pillar four drills and how we put together those drills in our throwing progressions that's our chain reaction and how we set alignment set the chain reaction and then we put together all the pieces that we're working and we flow into it so we would set up the position properly a lot of people you're going to see videos where they say stack up on here we have some athletes we're correcting they're learning to turn and they turn here but what do they do they do this every time because they're turning the upper body too much they have the right kind of idea but it's not an optimal thing and it's something that's going to give them a certain amount of success and then create a ceiling which is something you definitely want to don't want to do so again if you're a beginning coach what's the key thing that's going to screw everything up the hand position and carrying the discus so one things we talked about inside our system we have another video here on youtube talking about adding extra 20 feet holding the discus with the two fingers so that they feel how to do this and they get feel how to be comfortable so when they're setting up here and that discus can be in the right position now i'm going to grip it because i don't want it coming out of my hand and this would be a really important tip don't let your athletes do walkthroughs unless they're holding the discus like this but hold the discus like this don't hold it like this and don't cup it really important a lot of times you'll have your athletes walk through and they're going to hold their arm like this they're learning wrong don't do that you want to have this have them keep extended so that they feel how to set up the position feel how the lower body moves the upper body and you're going to notice how i keep the discus here and the reason we're going to do that when we do walkthroughs is we don't want the discus coming out we don't want to be hitting athletes we don't want it slipping out you know i've seen too many issues where that's been a big problem so remember the key thing is when you set up here you want your weight to simulate going from the left to the right and not moving this have your chest facing the direction of throw have your athletes squat down and turn into this position and turn the right leg through and then just guide the discus so if i'm throwing and i'm a new thrower what are they going to a lot of do they're going to do this kind of thing they're going to do this kind of thing you're going to do orbit's going to be off and we're going to address that for our members and member inside the system we talk about why all those things are happening and how we create prescriptions to avoid all that so when you guys are here keep everything level push pull this leg behind open it up and now your athletes are learning how to turn into the throw that would be a great day one for your beginners to have the beginning video if you watch the previous video on stand throw position that's pillar five six and then this is pillar three four and then the next video we'll talk about will include pillar one and two and putting together a full throw and again making sure that you're spending that time like we discussed in the last video bowls grass cutters tosses you know all these different things to get better at controlling the discus and like we said before be sure to check out our video extra 20 feet on how to hold the discus so hopefully you guys found this video helpful you're just going to keep things simple make sure that the athlete is comfortable carrying the discus for some athletes they're going to pick it up that are going to be your kids that excel faster for some of your athletes it's going to take weeks but be diligent continue with those fundamentals and make that a priority so that they can improve otherwise you're going past things too quickly and they're going to develop bad habits that are going to lead to bad technical foundation and once a bad foundation set you can't build on it or if you know how it would work if we built a really big building on a really poor foundation it's going to fall down real quick and it's going to have a limit we don't want to put limits on our throes we want to develop really key fundamentals remember the key things we talked about in the first video separation orbit radius right block leg delivery leg block arm we want to still be conscious of all that so when we're in this position now we have this leg the block leg is a sprint and then it's down into a block so you're going to be initiating that movement with that block leg pushing squatting turning landing and then turning the delivery leg through into the finish really simple the goal initially put some cones out moderate distance have the athlete simply to focus on directing and controlling the discus that's more important than anything when they learn how to control the discus they're going to develop technically much faster okay guys so hopefully you like that again if you remember log in we're going to go through some specific talk about specific pillar drills and throwing progressions and specific problems that you'll see and how to address those and for those of you that are not we'd love to see you on the inside but hopefully this video helps if it did be sure to give us a comment let us know how it's helped and be sure to give us a thumbs up if you like the video tell us about what else you'd like to see and we will see you guys on the next video take care