 Shelly Murphy with us here tonight. It's just her and I we didn't have a guest this last week because of course we have the Sourcathon But so we're gonna go ahead and talk about the usual stuff and get it out of the way before we get to do the Fun stuff and talk to Shelly. Okay for anybody that doesn't know WikiTree is a community of genealogists who are working together on a single family tree. I'm gonna throw up our little Presentation there. In other words, we collaborate to grow an accurate global tree that connects us all and it's free The WikiTree challenge is our year-long event We've been doing and it plays into our year of accuracy where each week a team of wiki-tree years takes on a guest star's tree and We try and make it as accurate and more complete than it is anywhere else online Our goal is to improve our accuracy Make more family connections and make more friends, which we've certainly done this year. So As I said, we did not have a guest to wrap up today Because we had our sixth annual Sourcathon this last weekend and what a great show a community collaboration That was I hope everybody finally got some sleep in eight more of the snacks at your desk I know I have and let's go ahead and talk a little bit more about the challenge Now, of course any of you that are participating No on the left there We have our spreadsheet and this is our way to keep track of the profiles We're going to be working on or we are currently working on so that nobody Takes away our work. We don't want people working on the same one and somebody to save and they can't Now on the right is the g2g post and that is where we list the eight great grandparents if we have them and people mostly post for bounty points in there They have to be Posted in there or I can't count. I mean your captain can't count them So put them out there if you find them and then sometimes also questions are asked there or interesting finds are made Now our final way and this is our most important way is discord and we just love it We have live chat that goes around the clock during the week seeing as this is a global site We have people from all over and so, you know in there we can ask for a set of second set of eyes We can get somebody's translation help You know, we have people that like to look up newspaper obituaries and articles and Sometimes we just kind of motivate each other and cheer each other on Now normally we have a point system and Well, it's not all about the points It does give us a little bit of extra way to gauge how we're doing and to help motivate people So there's two ways to earn points during the week We have our bounty points are the big one and of course that's ten points for each Ancestor the first one you find that's brick wall ancestor on any given line The other way is for nuclear relatives and that would be one point each for those and those can add up Let me tell you some of these families that we found this year have been really big As a matter of fact during the source of fun I had a man that had 24 children so my goodness. I know Lord, right? I don't know how many wives he had I know And then at the end of the week we look at the total score So normally we would have our most valuable player there that had gotten the most points Of course, we didn't have a top scorer because we did not have a guess this last week And yes, I stole the top five from the source of thought so go Leandra Sandy Emma Pip and Jim. You guys did awesome And then for 2021 we're gonna go ahead and look this over briefly and this is what we've had to work with so far You know and we had we had some bumps at the start of the year where we were trying to figure everything out and get it All coordinated But it just amazes me when I think of how much we have accomplished this year and you guys that have worked on within the teams have accomplished and this year so far we've done 34 guests We have had 12 captains 22 different top bounty hunters now, of course some of those like to stay in that top list and they've hit it more than once And then 285 different registered wiki-triers. So, um, you know, that's that's a lot of people And this is what we did with it now This is just crazy when you look at the numbers if you're a number person and I am I love numbers But total points for everything that you guys have done this year is well over 17,000 ancestors created Is more than 2800 The nuclear relatives and that's those siblings or children Created more than 8100 And of course that isn't counting all the ones you added to the in-laws and the brother and and whatnot Now bounty points a total of 6420 Which is just crazy. So you guys have broken down 642 brick walls this year just amazing And then profiles edited now these are the unique profiles edited during each week and our total right now It's more than 25,000. So that's a big improvement And total edits that's of course every time we go in At a date at another source correct something that's an edit. That's a contribution And there have been a hundred and five thousand three hundred and thirty eight of those so Isn't it way to go everybody that has participated And then Upcoming we still have and we do actually have our schedule full now. So I know people are still suggesting yes stars But we actually have all of our weeks filled which is exciting but Yeah, and for the next ones that are coming up, we'll have Roberta Estes, of course a pioneer in genetic genealogy We have ironing cornish. Uh, that one's going to be delightful and that is the one where the Great grandparents marriage certificate was found hidden in the back of that painting Yeah, it was great. Um, I don't know if you saw that story. Shelly, but it was really great. Yeah I actually am a patron follower of conny. So yes, yes I love conny. Yeah We're going to take it from where conny did her genealogy and we're going to take her out further And so that's going to be something different this this year that we're doing Now james tanner. He is a genealogy author and blogger. So he has many books out And then claire brison banks of timeless genealogies So now we're going to get to the part everybody's been waiting for they're like mindy quit talking we want to find out what shelly has to say And shelly is the descendant project researcher joining the division for diversity equity and inclusion She joined that in march of 2021 She's been an avid genealogist for over 30 years She's known as the family tree girl She lives in central virginia good state to live in Yes Especially for research She conducts genealogy workshops at conferences and is known for inspirational genealogical research and problem solving mythology She's a coordinator and an instructor at the midwest african-american genealogy institute And serves on the board of the library of virginia avarmer Abba marl Okay, all right next time charlottesville. I have fluvana historical societies So that's a lot you have going on there. Shelly. Is there anything a little busy on that one? No, just a little busy, but I love it Like I was telling you before I retired december 2018 thought I was going to be doing something else and a little bit different Yeah, are you going to tell them what's on your shirt? Oh, yes, promise mckinty had posted this. I'm going to stand up said. Yes. I have a retirement plan I plan to do genealogy And so well when I retired that was the goal And um, it lasted um from december to july So that was the kind of the first time really focusing on my own tree And then I started working for the university of virginia Doing research finding the descendants of the enslaved laborers that basically built that university for thomas jefferson And so that's a whirlwind right there Yeah, well, charl. Thank you Okay, so what got you interested in genealogy to begin with? my mother and she always talked about listening to her grandmother tell stories and her grandmother always talked about the past And she made the statement sharing with me and this is like in the late 70s That her grandmother's father was a slave What? What does that mean? Wait, wait a minute. I don't know about that. Wait We had slaves in the family Just because it's never been talked about, you know And then the other thing she made a comment From remembering her dad always Saying that, you know, his folks talked gibberish in the house. What what is gibberish? So again not understanding I'm going to say somewhat the makeup of the family And that got me interested helping her And um during this time she was writing letters to request first certificates Marriage and I'm going to tell you she has a copy of every letter She wrote In a box When she requested information and I asked my dad. This is in the 90s before he passed Why did you never tell that woman about copy paper Why did you not tell her about carbon copy paper? She literally wrote two letters Oh, wow Requesting and that was her keeping a copy and she still has them So those are the things that got me going the internet was coming in And you know, we were learning we still were requesting things pretty much by mail So it's definitely not what we got now But um, so I was basically trying to help her and then say who was this slave and what is this gibberish And so those are the two things that really got me going Now if you had to pick one, who is your um favorite ancestor? I would have to say I have a second great grandmother And her name is mildred ann brand davis And um, the reason I picked her She's supposedly born in richmond virginia in 1818 For some reason she got sent to chambersburg pennsylvania Don't know why wow, but She acquires 11 acres of land as a free person of color And a family um the moan family peter and his wife gave her a life estate in 11 acres And this is in 1841 So i'm going to pride myself that she was a landowner, but then she gets married So you know what happened to that land, but the life estate was for her and her children Not the husband Because she did get married after she acquired the land So i'd have to say for her and what she had done And they eventually left pennsylvania stopped in ohio and then came into michigan And actually homesteaded about um, well they put in her application 1863 and got their certificate I think it was 1867 and so i would have to say she would be the most interesting Because there was a lawsuit, you know when they sold 11 acres the preacher didn't pay So there was a lawsuit And so she was very interesting and I wanted to know more about her Who's her parents were you know coming out of richman? You know capital of the confederacy. She was mulatto All I know is her father was scott from scotland and that was it So who's mama and why did they ship her to you know Chambersburg pennsylvania and so that was our you know somewhat the davis line out of there Yeah, that's really interesting I'm sure folks are taking notes Oh, you know they are out there Taking notes Now what about in other interesting stories you found since you started doing your own research My own research is just It's all interesting and and some of the most interesting is Is the mixtures of the families? You know, of course, we have some enslaved and we have a lot of free and of course I have my I'm going to say My european or white ancestors as well And so our we grew up around a very mixed family So not knowing What that really meant growing up, you know until later And so I just think The interest keeps me going because I want to know about them and I didn't grow up with You know, basically only one grandmother And so I don't have a lot of memories Like other people do about grandparents and this that another our family was headed by a woman And so, you know, I passed that down to my daughter per se You know the fact that we had a woman that became a widow You know with five kids in 1942 and she was a domestic house worker Yeah, you know and raised her kids, but back then kids got married different Ages than what they do now. So but that was just more Until that story because there were so many different angles and different connections Now an was asking a question. Do you have any quanders in your tree? Not that I know of but I'm going to check that out because Bernice Bennett had just sent something about the quander family out Some connection and she was asking the same question. So I'm going to check that out So I don't know but I know about them because there was a book and and things about that family Now, when did you first discover wiki tree? It I would say it was about a year. Well, no about 2014 to be honest with you, but I didn't sign on And and I'm going to tell you why I have a distant cousin up in Canada who's bob simons and in 2014 He was sending me to links to the trees. He was building on the family And so I just used that as a reference and was giving him information. He was sharing information So I knew about wiki tree, but until 2020 I think it was april or whatever last year that I went ahead and said, you know what I need to do this because I got this whole other side instead of just what Bob had built on the wardens, which is my mother's maiden name So that's what got me gone and I thought I probably can make more connections You know get help with research, you know, because he just kept pushing it, you know, that was the links go look at this Go look at that And so I really didn't know what wiki tree was about until I started really getting into it because it was a reference point And you know, I'm I'm sharing it now more than anything just because I've been Since april 2020 and of course covet time had time to go through And see some of the value that's there And and where it could go and so I'm encouraging folks to check it out You know and to build their trees and what I love is the fact that if I come across um if I come across That person my ancestor in someone else's tree the system tells me Is this a match? Is it the same person? And so Just can't beat that at all Yeah, I love it. Yeah. Yeah And nothing more satisfying than being able to connect to to other people that are already out there You know, they have several generations of researched profiles and we truly are the wiki tree and I think we are all connected And and some bases are not You know, we're connected and I see that and again building the trees and That's a go-to for me and the research especially like for the uva research when I'm and I'm gonna say it When I'm looking for that slave holder. I'm going to wiki tree because I know there's a lot of european data on there And I'm looking in virginia. So that means I'm starting 1617 1800s and coming forward So that's a go-to, you know for me in this research Now somebody else had a question here george and john marsh were in the 1860 census in the household of eliza robinson Do you have any idea who the robinsons were? I do not and and I do not know but I know eliza robinson was a free person because again, that's 1860 And that is virginia aka west virginia now But george and john I do believe is my george marsh And because there's some naming patterns and I come down to one of john w mash marsh Daughters and made a connection. So I believe that is that You know my second great grandfather, but the only thing Is george and oral history? Was the slave that my great grandmother talked about was her father So when did he get free? And because he wouldn't be showing up in the 1860 census unless Eliza was a slave holder So there's more to be done about that story But he's one of my brick wall big big brick wall because he just appears You know, there's oral history about him And um, I've been trying to use that as leads when you know probably a year ago last time I kind of looked at him a little bit or someone else, but he's he's a special one. He's one of those big walls Now who who else do you have that you consider one of your most difficult brick walls? Oh lord Get out the work I do for uva might be a little easier Then my brick walls william michael murphy is huge And because that's such a common name and i'm gonna say every white irish family has a william michael murphy And so I I believe You know, well anyway, my grandfather says that's his father And i'm gonna say the reverend william columbus murphy said his father's name was william michael murphy I know the great grandmother who he supposedly married because she married a second time and she married as nelly murphy But william michael murphy i'd never been able to connect him with the wife nelly I have an assumption and if I i'll share it which will help somebody researching But I believe william michael murphy might be a coal miner And I believe he died And the second husband is a coal miner and i'm talking about the buxton area buxton iowa people are familiar with that And but they got married in kentucky. I've done research on the kentucky and there were coal mines down there And so I got that connection. So my assumption is william michael murphy Is probably a coal miner, but I don't know if he's white. He could be indian. He's supposedly born in indian territory And don't know when he was born, but the wife nelly was born about 1865 in greenville, tennessee So there's so much i'm hoping somebody will find Find william michael murphy. I have put this challenge out every time I think about him In how bad I can't find my great-grandfather Compared to the other people that I can find But he he's a huge one because we have no idea In where he came from or who he is and his son my grandfather just he's got three different locations for his birth So it wasn't reliable to even get the name william michael, but it's on his social security application And then on the marriage record when he married my grandmother one of the wives the grandmother He said that he was born in indian territory So that's all I had to go on and my dad is gone and all the siblings are gone. So no one's alive You know to get that information Now we're out in kentucky bell county kentucky bell county and that and the second marriage that nelly McCorkle murphy had she had two children there also and again the husband henry jiles was a coal miner Because they left after they got married the two kids were born they go to elinoy another coal mining town And they're in the 1900 census there and then they go to buxton And they're there in 1905 1910 1915 But nelly's gone by 1915 She passed and I did connect with The two children from the second marriage Actually, this is several years ago And when I had time when I focused on my own tree I was able to get The daughter which would be my grandfather's half sister through her third marriage to her grandchildren And and they didn't have much they they just knew that their grandmother had A brother that was a preacher which was my grandfather, but Nothing else nothing else. Yeah, I know I did some some help with it work within the wiki tree mining disasters Part of the disasters project And we saw that a lot, you know where these people lived in mining community So if something did happen to the husband I mean there was no way for the wife to support herself and and take care of her family And that's who was available to step in was you know, somebody else within the mining community to To take over and make sure her and the and the children were supported right because she had two children and and they got married So he I figured he must have died within a year or two prior to them getting married William michael murphy only had My grandfather that I know of which is william columbus murphy but My mother said she remembers him Talking about his half siblings, which are from the second marriage. So other than that, we don't know Of course about the language again. Okay. Well, actually, um the wardens W o r d e n that that's a straight line to a gateway ancestor. So that is white all the way there And they were coming out France. Well, no the wardens england lancashire England coming over and but there's some dutch also mixed in the family I think the gibberish might have been dutch, but the wardens were not dutch. They would have been you know english per se, um, but they the boyers See the boyers are the ones out of france going into germany and then coming into new york I just for some reason I keep thinking the dutch must be I mean the dutch is the gibberish from the boyers side Which would be dutch or french or something? Don't know but she remembers that always her dad talked about the gibberish You know that they they probably were cursing, you know farmers You know and stuff like that no telling what they were, you know I have no idea and again She was 11 when her dad passed and and mom would join us next week as I was sharing with you So she's excited to see if folks find and she's 91 years old. So oh, yes, we know about the quack quack Okay, there Kathy cousin Kathy. We got quacking bushes now again That's gibberish too Yeah Now seeing what you have so far about the wiki tree challenge. What is the main thing you hope to get out of this week? Well number there's a couple things number one. Hopefully some of the brick walls Could be broken down number two. I hope for the volunteers because again, I got put my teacher hat on I hope Because of this type of family that I made up of that it enhances their work skills You know that gives them a little more different take on it I do african-american genealogy as well as my european Pin and and the thing of it is they both have their challenges They both start off the same but when I'm hopping in and out Depending on what era I'm in I might be looking at different type of records And some folks would not be looking at where I would be looking at both And so I think there's two things, you know a few brick walls, but you know what the biggest thing is the sourcing and I know that's weak trees thing and because It was easy to build that tree But it wasn't easy to go back when I know I was supposed to go back and put some of the sources in Or do an edit and I'm an apa person as a college professor I'm going to use apa no matter what so I know they're going to have a field day And I'm going to probably beat david lambur's numbers on the edit So look out david because I think watch out david. She's coming after you I'm coming at because he had what 3000 and some editors I think and I think I'm going to top that because again Some of mine will be apa or they're just going to be clipped from ancestry or family search or something trying to Be able to make sure that if something happens to me This is up And people have access it access to it and things like that Um Do I have enslaved ancestry on both sides of the family? Um on my mother's side and on yes on both sides of the family Because because how the henry family comes in is the slaveholder Having john b henry and they'll see that on the tree, but william henry goes all the way back Aberdeenshire scotland is the line there But um and they were quakers. So I don't quite understand why the son Well, I guess it's the henry side. They weren't quakers, but his mama was quaker in their whole family the borden's and so they were big-time quakers coming in from kent england to massachusetts new jersey and then into virginia and so benjamin borden jr. Is um Known for what he did in augustin county um, he got 100 000 acres per se or 92 000 acres from lord fairfax and he um, basically got the first hundred settlers to um settle so he got you know the acres For getting the first hundred people So I was able to acquire a copy of the map with the hundred people on there But they were quakers land greedy quakers And i'm saying that because that's my family, but one of the sons that came down william henry He had a relationship with the slave named rose And it was his slave So i'm not quite sure I understand it clearly, but then you got this long line of quakers and then here comes You know william having two children not just one And so that's on my dad's side and then I have um on my mother's side um, I've got the slave holder which is a james roper And james roper, um connects three of the goins Children married ropers and james roper was a um mulatto a child of a slave holder And he inherited all of his fathers Beholdings, I'm going to say it that way that means land and property which included the enslaved and he His dad was nicolas roper out of um come from suffolk england Into jefferson county virginia at the time He was the largest landholder From what I understand not just jefferson county, but also in um virginia at one time and he He leased he gave this mulatto child of his a 99 year lease To all of his holdings and property and then again when he died james became the um Landholder of the slaves and so forth half of the his children went wife the other half went um people of color So again, I get invited to two different Family reunions and I'm thinking wait a minute. This is like 10 15 years ago And I thought do they not realize they're all from the same family and there's two separate reunions So it's been interesting. So yeah Now daunte had a question for you here about researching colonial records um You know sometimes it is easier and it's just because of researching, you know, my favorite is revolutionary more folks and so um Because I'm used to working in that realm in that era I sometimes do find it a little easier Because I'm not just there's no senses that I'm looking for, you know I I there's not going to be birth certificates as we know it So I'm looking at land patents and land entries deeds and those type things And sometimes I think the colonial research is a little bit easier sometimes. Yes And I am a member of dar. I saw that question Yes, Cheryl was asking Yeah, jack jewitt in charisville, virginia. That's the chapter i'm with yes And i'm an associate member of the london chapter. So yes And what advice with your teacher had on would you give to a new family historian? Well, you know just like I do a lot of my talks. I I say start with what you know Don't don't listen to to nothing else. Just you start right now and what you know and start logging in the questions that you have and I always tell people genealogy is about time place and asking questions And because of these different eras that I do even in during slave era or colonial period prior to that I have questions no matter what I find And so start with what you know first And then seek those elders out in your family and not necessarily just the elders Anybody that's got family stories you want to make note of it because it might not show up now But it might be 10 years from now and you come back and you get a lead and and again It could be someone at your age same age or the auntie or the great grandma or whoever And I would start off that way then I still wouldn't go online And then I I would you know start gathering vital statistics, right? I wouldn't hit the senses or anything Just start building Your you know your tools Of the vital statistics, whatever you can find then go to the senses and start matching that up You know with the dates of being born and when they died and were they there in You know what senses were they there and I'm a big component of timelines And I know dear myrtle can hear me right now because I talk about timelines all the time And I think that's a necessary Item is to start that from the beginning what you know get it in chronological order So I think that's so important plus you're organizing as you go You know and and it makes it so much easier because in a simple timeline You can put your questions in what conflicts are there Right there in one document and follow through so I preach on timelines all the time Right and sometimes if you don't look at it that way you don't find those conflicts You know if you don't have that that information organized in that way And that's why the chronological is so so important because in a timeline they're going to jump out at you If something isn't there, you know what senses should be there. What other community or events happen Where your ancestors were at if they're alive during the civil war time were there any battles in that community You know and a lot of times they say but ancestry has the timeline They don't have local stuff on there unless you put it down there So you got to look at that local aspect also and I always question. Well, what were my folks doing? Either during the civil war revolutionary war what was going on in their community? And I always think about jefferson county, virginia now west virginia What is really important was to understand that it changed hands eight times during the civil war Yeah, and on that timeline looking at the question that came up That's one of the columns you put your reference your Citation and things right in there which you can put a live link And another thing is pay attention to who the informant or the witnesses are On a document that you're looking at and try to find out if there's any connections So there's so many things you can do but keep it in one document organized in chronological order Right. Well, that's some really great advice there. What do we have for other questions out there guys? I know they've been popping up with plenty of them Patrick was bringing up the how important it is to cite your sources Yes, and you know not just for for legal documents But anything you gather about that person because later on when you go back to him and it's been a year and you go back You're not going to know where you got that information if you don't do that And and I always prepare myself that if I'm not here That whoever's going to take this because I'm working on now. Who's going to take this over something happens to me Right, you know, and I want them to understand that one click can get them back Or at least they can highlight and copy and throw it in google for the citation That they should be really Right too directed to where we got the document from and and another thing about that is we're doing this not really for us It's for who's coming after us And I don't have grandchildren. I don't know if my daughter's up at what six o'clock in the morning I don't even know what time and it's where she's at But um, the biggest thing I don't have grandchildren. I have a son and a daughter They're both adults and I don't have grandchildren. So I'm going to look to those cousins or those nieces or those nephews They love to hear the stories But they're not doing the work So I've got to tag them in maybe I need to start paying them or something and say Okay, I'm going to give you x amount of dollars an hour and you help me do this You know type thing Yeah, I'll get them because I took over basically from my mother She was kind of like the family historian for the family and and I've taken on that role the last 30 years basically And of course we got so much more access Then it's unbelievable what we have and it's also overwhelming Um that we have so, you know, I have to take uh on saturdays. Okay. What am I listening? You guys wake up at eight o'clock in the morning You know for 8 30 in the morning with a weeky tree morning It's mags and somebody else and and it starts and then three different chapter genealogy groups They all have sessions 10 30 and 11 and I'm thinking okay, which one can I go to? You know or go for a few minutes to each one But you guys start singing off about 8 30 in the morning on saturday and I think it's mags in Sarah, yeah Oh my god, so I just lay in the bed and Put it on and listen to them. So What's that dante I know your emphasis on using timelines Can you expand more on understanding the migrate patterns and their significance? Because you're clocking where people are at by date Or or say time you should see the migration patterns I just posted on a on a fort wane genealogy group that My grandparents william and viola murphy The time frame they were in fort wane, I believe I posted six different addresses From the city directories And I thought okay now, you know what I'm going to map that out I'm like because they're still in the neighborhood And so I figure why were they moving so much in number one? They probably were poor you know and because Where they lived that I know at one time he was a janitor at something he was associate pastor I'm talking about william columbus murphy And he was also delivering coal on the side. So I thought you know if you're a pastor you're poor And I'm saying back at during this time You know he was associate pastor. So in his job and again, they had six or seven kids You know all in fort wane and there was an entry. There was a mr Warfield in fort wane indiana and in the black community there and kurt and them at the allen county public library They opened up the journals of this guy who journals for about 20 some years And they showed the entry when my great-grandfather died and where the guy was right then him and the wife was Taking a dish of food over to the house because govan keratin had died and this another and another time in his entry He said my grandfather delivered the coal and he felt so far sorry for him that he gave him an additional 25 cents For delivering the coal and it was like oh my god How poor was he because apparently that quarter was big, you know at that time And so that was very interesting that you had a community member for 20 some years or 30 years And they got all of the journals in their hand written Wow Daily everything that was happening in the community there and so it was fabulous They now have them all scanned up on their website Genealogy centers website. So that was fabulous So I hope that answered your question dante because you will be able to see as they move around and also From location and location because you want to go in between the 10 years of the senses and also find out if there was a state senses And if any other transactions or events happen in their lives, was there a baby born? That's another clue if they were born and still in that county, you know where they were at And the next question is did did you have a slave schedule census for the man who had children with rose? Ashley the white family is the ones that told me and their Information and there was a lawsuit. So that's how we verified or I was able to say, okay, that's his child um, it's William Henry uh born about 1763 And he's born in Frederick County, Virginia and these Henry's Come, you know, like I said Kent England and come on over. No, I'm sorry Aberdeen Shire and come on over But the Henry family Comes into Virginia And they have these two kids now what happened was He freed him at some point and I haven't been able to figure that out And then I found out William Henry just about um within the last six seven months that he actually was a Patriot in a revolutionary war and how I figured that was my William Henry is because They said he went to Tennessee after the war to Greenville, Tennessee Which is where nelly the great grandmother was at And that's where he died at so he's a landowner in track But there was a court case because Of the two kids that he had one of the wife's number one divorced him because he was messing with Rose and then the court case is William Henry gave Aka his daughter Delphia To the son-in-law But he was supposed to free her so there was a court case and I got the Archive lady to pull that file for me to stand another from Tennessee And she got her freedom But the son-in-law was going to charge Rose $300 to By her daughter's freedom. So again, this was all in court So that let us know All the connections and then I've dealt with the Henry family and Look at their research and what they had done and then the divorce And so yeah, he's got two kids and john b. Henry is there in green Greenville, Tennessee And free man in 1830 40 50 60 coming on forth. So yeah, he was born about 1811 In the historical society was another part of working on that And so I had encountered with them about 10 years ago And they were pulling the stuff and they said, you know those enries originate out of virginia And that's how it took me about, you know, five years to get to virginia Per se and then they're less than two hours away from me right now. So wow Yeah, it's interesting Do we have any other questions this evening? Fascinating and and google it wants to know if they could read the court case if you would had a copy available Of course Where do where do I send it? So I just you tell me I don't get to touch my tree or go back No, you don't but but if you do have a copy scanned up you can send it to the captain. You have her email So I don't don't all make sure people that yeah, don't all make sure that they can get a look at it Okay, and actually if you go to um Uh alilia bundles if anybody is familiar with her in her website She is uh madam cj walkers great great granddaughter She comes from del fias line. I come from the brother john henry and it's actually on one of her blog posts So I'll still send it to donna, but it's there as well Chris farielo here is asking if you've ever worked with carolin and Reparational genealogy We follow each other on twitter and have twitter and have great conversations, but I have not worked with her on that at all And also she um, she was on genealogy adventures So I had a chance to see her, you know, not just from twitter and interact with her She was on genealogy adventures that comes on saturdays at four o'clock I say that Yeah Okay, well, I think we're gonna wrap it up now We have plenty of people watching so make sure you like the video if you haven't already subscribed do that for notifications I know people are just anxious to get started. Oh, they've already started Yeah, they have So I can't do anything right am I able to answer questions or anything only if it comes to donna Yeah, they they have to go through donna or else you can't answer them and you may get some emails that say like Oh, these profiles need to be merged. Just ignore them because we'll take care of all that for you this week Okay, we'll we'll take care of all of it. So All right, we're we're gonna find you I saw some emails already so I thought don't touch it. Don't touch I know the hardest part melanie's down there too. Um melanie was recently a guest and she had to stay out of her tree And I didn't work for a week. It was like painful for I think well I have plenty to do You know because I don't get to focus on my own stuff as much as other people's trees So and again, I wish everybody the best of luck. So hopefully Hopefully we all benefit from this and I'm sure we will I mean just thank those volunteers my goodness I've been watching for the last year what you guys have been doing and it is amazing it is amazing and You know, I even took on A profile, um, you know on the us black You know the notables that they started And I took on one and again for personal reasons because I'm trying to connect those davises And they're in the same county looking for that plantation. So hopefully that will Come out Also, because people have not talked about that about benjamin old davis and his line back to slavery And they only know him for him being Notable as first black general Army and then his son. So we'll see what happens Okay, well it has been a pleasure having you here And we will see everybody back next wednesday so we can tell shelly what all we found when we'll beat david on those edits. Yeah She's gonna beat that number dave so