 What we're talking about we talk about a lot There's a reason why we talk about this a lot There's a reason why we cover this life as a matter of fact There's a reason why we go over this particular scripture and sets of scriptures a lot. Why? Why was the Bible written? Why do we have the Bible? What's the point of us even reading the Bible if none of us are going to be saved well Then there's no point in reading the Bible. People more than likely will read the Bible and trust the Bible if they really truly believe that it was a source of salvation and If it were not a source of salvation, then I can promise you this if you knew for a fact That the Bible all it talked about was how bad you were and you're going to hell and there's no hope for you You wouldn't read it either why because if I'm on my way to hell there is no hope Then what's the point? But there is a point to the Bible It is written so that we can know these are written as John says about his particular book that we may know that we have Life we have eternal life. We have salvation That's the whole point and so it's important that we cover this now Someone's gonna say Corey just all you're doing is giving people a license to sin Well, first of all people sin. They don't need a license to sin They don't need a reason to sin There are people who sin who do believe in one saved always safe There are people who believe that you can lose your salvation and guess what sin there are Pentecostals who sin There are Charismatics who sin sometimes they're the same thing. There are Presbyterians who sin There are Southern Baptist who sin. Guess what I found out Everybody sins we don't need a license and so to say that this gives them a license to sin Well, then what do you believe is that the reason why you sin based on what you believe? It's important to know. I Think this is vitally important I think the assurance of your salvation the comfort the confidence as the writer of Hebrew says the confidence that we can have I think that helps us in our walk when you're dealing with Trials and certain situations it helps to know that there's a God on your side who was going to see you through Which is why Paul says that he is confident of this one thing he That he not being me or you or anyone else him He who began a good work in you he will complete it. He's the only one that's faithful not us He grants us the ability to be faithful by his spirit and we may cover that portion But the fact of the matter is He died For a particular reason he came to die for a particular reason that unlike the Old Testament the way the sacrificial Set up for atonement then was that you had to do it every year and this was a yearly process as John 316 says that he came so that we will never perish And we're likely going to cover John 316 as well. So now that being stated I Have covered this passage before As a matter of fact, I've stated it in such a way to where I said that if anyone can disprove my Greek grammatical Rendering or interpretation of John 10 28 Then I will shut the channel down. You can have the channel or I'll use this channel to promote you or promote a different view Whatever you want Crickets, well, I disagree. Well, why do you disagree? Well because Someone even said that I don't think that he's serious about. Yeah, I am I Don't think that people that challenged me are serious about it because what tends to happen is it and I didn't come up with this This is not my invention and it wouldn't bother me It wouldn't bother me if we found out excuse me That the Bible said you could lose your salvation wouldn't bother me at all Wouldn't bother me knowing that you could lose it or could not look would not bother me at all I still love him all the same and I'm thankful what he's done for me So it wouldn't bother me. I'm gonna say what the truth is remember I started off on the other side I used to believe matter of fact Vemently was opposed to people saying that you could not lose your salvation. I was opposed to it I believe that you would lose your salvation You mean to tell me someone can just come to Christ profess their faith and then go and live how they want to live. No no Clearly and obviously not Those that do so are indicating that they are not believers stop saying that everyone is a believer Just because they called themselves a believer stop saying just like stop saying everyone every person is a woman It's because they call themselves a woman. There's some men who are men I don't care if you call yourself a woman or not and vice versa You are what you are and in this case if you are a sheep you are a sheep And I mean to use that word specifically because we'll cover that as well. So now when I make this statement that I am willing to to Do something with the channel change it whatever take it down. What have you? Uh People said wait, are you sure you want to do that because maybe there are some scholars somewhere somewhere out there that will say There's a different spin a different take one John 10 20 and I've looked I've seen one. I've seen it was it was so weird And so thoroughly the bunkers matter of fact how he said it it was just he himself in this person's little dissertation They wrote They were just throwing it out there as a possibility The only question out there is and we're gonna look at some some nerdy stuff and then some practical stuff But when we talk about the emphatic negation of a subjunctive big words Is that the most Forceful way to negate something to make it an impossibility. Is that the most forceful way? the only debate is is it that or is it a Subject a emphatic negation a double negation of a future active indicative But they do the same thing as a matter of fact they both are used to negate the possibility of salvation now in the future We'll get to that We'll get to that so I Wanted to I've looked around looked around I could not find anyone Who has written or there's no there's no video not one video that I can find maybe you all can help me But it's not one video that I can find on YouTube Where someone is speaking or preaching or teaching Against what I'm saying about what the Greeks is about John 1028. I haven't found one yet Now you would think with all of this back and forth and this passage that keeps getting brought up that somebody would have addressed this John 1028 Haven't found one So I said well, let me go see if I can find a Writing somewhere some scholars some grammarians somewhere that states that this John 1028 the the double negation or emphatic negation that This is not how you would use this in this night. There was one guy Who stated well the rule that I cited was true It just doesn't apply which is absolutely silly to even make the statement. It just to say that That what you said is true. The rule is true. It just didn't apply to what we're talking about You'll see what I'm talking about in just a second in just a second and I want to see now This is gonna be someone's opportunity. There might be a few in the chats This is gonna be your opportunity To not hold to your belief But hold to the text if you disagree If you disagree, this is gonna be your opportunity to say why now my question is this before we get started Here's my question And I want you all to participate if you could please so I just want to have an idea of who I'm working with and you Don't have to believe what I believe anything like that. But this is this is my This is my my statement or what I'm asking for I want to see if we're using the text properly But I want to know how many of you guys Believe How do I put this guy I don't want to confuse you guys if you believe You can lose your salvation Would you just type in a why or yes? If you believe you cannot lose your salvation, would you type in a in or no? I Want to get it this one. I asked you guys another question I'm gonna ask you guys another question if you believe that you can lose your salvation and there's no bashing Put a why or yes if you believe you cannot put a in or no Okay, and I want to Okay Because I want you guys I want you guys to help me out and Ben listen if you think that that's what and what we'll play the clip if you think that Brian Right believes that you can lose your salvation The very first time as I'm learning Greek. Where do you think I got this from? What do you think his his writing his paper was on? Yeah He absolutely does not believe that you go by the way when you look at the church that he pastors He absolutely does not believe that you can lose salvation So how you how you crafted or thought that I shouldn't say crap. That's the best sign nice how you thought that He was not saying That he was not agreeing with me I don't know but we'll we'll see in a second But so far obviously the overwhelming majority people gonna be knows but I want to and the reason why I'm asking this question It's because I want to deal with the why the yeses People will say that you can and I want to present this to me and you don't have to Agree right now you may not be able to disagree right now because you can't formulate a Well-thought-out opinion right now doesn't mean anything and so if I ask the question and You you disagree, but you're not sure how or why or how to formulate that's fine bad bad part is fine It's okay You are under no you're in no rush To make your defense right now And so if you want to come back and put it in the in the chats then fine What we're gonna do is look at some other Greek scholars Okay, we're gonna look at some other people who have also stated the same thing Who also believe this these are these are actual grammarians. Oh These are actually grammarians. These are folks who know the language There was a guy by the way who who used to be in the chats. Maybe he'll show up again I don't know but he actually speaks Greek. He's from Greece And so he speaks Greeks, but he believes that you can lose your salvation But every time I put this this passage to him he goes silent Every time I cover and ask him am I wrong and tell me why What does he do go to another passage? There are other passages that seem to indicate or look like to some that you can lose your salvation There are some let's be honest. I Think there are answers to those questions. I think that those are easily rebutted Especially those that are that seem to be warning us if you do this if this if that the warning passages I think that's there's a legitimate reason for that again if you were at church Let's say you're saved the person next to you is saved But the person of the right of you is not and he's warning you How do you warn this person to the right of you who is not saved who thinks they're saved? How do you warn that person? Well, you there's a there's a way that you first of all you would warn them number one Secondly, there's got to be something whereby you say hey if this if that then you not say this why Paul says let him Examine himself. That's why Jesus says now everyone says me Lord Lord and he goes on to say I did not know you so I think it's important I think it is important. So now let's go ahead and and jump into it I want to go obviously we're going to John 10 28 and we're gonna look at different aspects about this question I'm also going to replay the clip from yesterday when I spoke to Brian and I wanted to ask him, you know what I Haven't found anyone you hadn't you guys have it. Maybe you have maybe you haven't But I want to ask him a grammarian a scholar Could you tell me? Could you tell me remember he he also went and did he has a keen interest in textual criticism as well and so Could you tell me could you help me out? Have you heard of anyone? Anyone that has been able or come with some sort of way to say that John 10 28 does not Prove or that that it does not prove internal security that you could lose it I'll I'll play that clip in just a little bit. Let's go to John 10 28 first In John 10 28, what does it say? This is where he says and I give Eternal life to them and they will never perish and no one will snatch my hand now the issue here though that I've stated before a couple of things One even in just the English here We've got these independent these three independent clauses and the problem is you've got clause a clause B clause C clause A And I give them eternal life clause B and they will never perish clause C and no one will snatch my hand Well, if a person could walk away on their own because I want to was the other no one can snatch you but you could walk away Fine fine if you could walk away. Here's the problem. Would that not contradict clause A and B? How does he give them eternal life and Then how does how does he say they will never perish? He didn't know that they could walk away. He just neglected to put that in there So the issue is one they can't be snatched away But can they walk away the problem with that is that goes counter to everything that Jesus just said in the first 27 verses The first 27 verses is him speaking about us as sheep and that as sheep we will follow We will follow him. We will hear him if we hear a different voice What we do we will not hear and we will not listen to them, but that strange voice We will turn and run the other way and Lest we're thinking that he's just speaking of us of just the Jews in verse 16 He speaks of another flock these Gentiles who will in the future as a matter of fact, let's let's pull that up verse 16 He says here it is. I have other sheep which are not of this fold I must bring them also and they will hear my voice They won't they'll be just like the other sheep if they hear a stranger's voice They will not listen to they now hear it and they will flee. They will hear my voice and they will Become one flock with the one shepherd So Jesus already stated what the sheep will do He's already stated that part. I've never heard a person say that sheep will do anything other than that listening to John 10 This John 10 give us any reason to believe that a sheep cannot know listen Ben I want you to be a favor Ben. This is what I need you guys to do because We can go to every other pastor in the planet and we still won't get to the meat the heart of the matter Because and it's the point I want you I want you to understand If you think that another passage says otherwise if there is which is why we're not going to another pastor today I've covered I've literally covered all the passages that people have brought up Because I want to be honest. I want to be honest to the text and I don't want anyone to say well Hey, but what about this passage? You won't touch that past. I've covered all these passes Hebrews 3 Hebrews 10 26 27 Galatians 5 1st Timothy 1st Peter I've covered all these passages and Given you one the the Greek Explanation the exegetical explanation. I've come I've gone to the Hebrew in the Old Testament I've we've gone over the prophecies what God said he's going to do So for now I need you to focus on this passage. Why? because if this passage Says what I'm saying it says it may not It may not so Terrence focus. I need you to focus don't bring up Galatians 414. I've covered it I've covered every passage you can think of I Want you guys I want you guys to put on and I'm trying to be offensive or demeaning But I want you to put on your big boy pants and you in your big girl pants Big girl skirt girls don't worse. Do they wear it? Do girls worse? Well, some girls some ladies do Some ladies do your big girl your big girl skirts or dresses Put up putting your big girl blouses Putting your big girl jeans, whatever put on your big boy big girls clothes And I want you to deal with what we're dealing with if you can't listen guys And I understand if you can't then fine you you determine that but if you can't focus on the point on The heart of the matter here, then I can't help you. I can't I can't help you so What I'm saying here Let's deal with this text because if I'm correct about this text Then whatever other text you bring up is Gonna do one or two things Either contradict this Which is a huge problem because now we have a contradiction in the Bible or is Gonna simply back up Now Remember I believe that all Christians Must continue believing must continue following must remain must bear fruit Must never blaspheme the Holy Spirit all the different things that I believe a Christian will do that. I Think you must do that, but I also believe that's what a Christian does It's like saying in order to be a a basketball player must be able to hold the basketball If you can't can be a basketball player, and I agree that's what makes a basketball player now Some do other things with the basket me with the ball So now so you're saying logical fallacies are coming which tells me you're not listening bill Which tells me you're not even trying to listen, which is fine Which is fine I'm almost one I'm almost willing to for some of you guys to go ahead and have you guys to come on and Give a rebuttal to this passage But if you can't even hold if you can't hold yourself and it's not just for you guys in the live stream This is for people other than you guys who might listen You've got to be able to cover this passage. Let's deal with this some some people There are some people that we found out that would not make good jurors Would not make good jurors The reason why we're covering this but then hey, but what about that? Did you see what the defendant was wearing? But we're talking about this matter of fact We're talking about what he was wearing that night, but what about what he's wearing now? So that's fine. That's fine. Sometimes this might be over someone's head Sometimes it might be over someone's heart. I mean they can get it head-wise with their heart or whatever Which is fine, but for the rest of you guys everyone else in John 1028 There's something else that stated here. Now. This is not my rule. This is not me again I did not agree with this at first. I Went kicking and screaming to this side. I Went kicking and screaming to this side Would not would not Accept it took me a while matter of fact even as associate pastor. I'm not no I I disagree with my church at the time now Let's go back to it. Let's put back on the screen Because if these words don't have meaning they don't matter well then fine get rid of your Bible Get rid of your Bible. So he says that I give them so the issue is what will she do? She will keep following the only issue that could possibly happen after Jesus covers the fact that she will keep Following is someone can take the mind of their hand out of his hand and we find that not to be the case because he says so He says so so I'm gonna ask you guys in a little bit all of all of those the yeses all of the yeses There's about 15 or so you got 10 or so you guys that have stated yes, you think you can use this salvation Which is fine, which is fine. You you are entitled to that So I want to see if you guys can also give me a rebuttal to what I'm getting ready to say Maybe you haven't heard of this before You have and it hadn't clicked or you still deny it. I want to know on what basis do you deny this? So there is a grammatical rule that is brought out here in this passage When we look at verse 28, we're gonna look at clause B Clause a I give him eternal life clause C and no one will snatch them out of my hand But clause B and they will never perish Clause B Okay, see Terrence this Okay, let me let me just deal with this. Let me deal with this. He says Man cannot take them but Satan can that didn't even begin to make sense first of all, let's go back to the word Let's go back to what it says here Terrence. He says no one this word tees This word tees right here Terrence Also refers to anyone no one nothing that includes that includes Satan Okay, this tees refers to not a person. No one including Satan. So No, Satan can't snatch you out either. How's he gonna do it? He's gonna move God He's gonna move the peel back the fingers of God's hand metaphorically speaking can't be done Stop looking for a way out. Just listen to what listen to what I'm saying. Just listen. All right. Thank you I'm I'm playing I'm playing and I give him eternal life. Well, here's clause B It says and no one will snatch them out of my hand guys I'm sorry, but I'm going to also give you the Greek says kai ume apalontai Aesthan Ionian I'm sorry, and we'll never perish. I'm sorry. It doesn't sell that says kai ume apalontai and No, not ever will they will they perish now what we have is in in Greek and in English we have the same statement that says Describes what a subjunctive a subjunctive is a word that conveys possibility Potentiality meaning meaning I'm sorry, and it says Cory. Please Clarify if clauses and its classification. No, it just just a clause can be dependent or independent What a dependent clause is if I'm writing a sentence and let's say I put a comma in there And I say something if the comma if the words inside the commas Can't stand on their own if they're not their own if they can't be their own sentence Then it's a dependent clause an independent clause if you take everything's inside the commas Put them by the self and make them make them their own sentence. It's an independent clause It doesn't really change anything whether whether these are dependent or independent clauses that it doesn't really matter Okay, so it's a good question. No so We have what's called A subjunctive here apalontai Which is from the word Apaluming which means to perish destroy Or to lose But then we also have ooh and may In greek ooh Is how you would negate something. No, not never same thing with me. No, not nevertheless fine thing. I mean same thing There is a grammatical rule. There's a rule every language has rules Greek does to as a matter of fact greek The way you can understand Something a little bit more specifically in greek than you could english it just english is just not the best Languages that are out there Our rules aren't that great aren't that great but now and so I want to make this Easy enough for you guys to understand ooh Is one way in greek to say no not never May Is another way to say no not or never basically in greek Okay apalontai Or a subjunctive is a word that conveys The possibility of something happen. So in and of itself the word apalontai means may perish So if you put a singular negation in front of it may apalontai Then what you would have is may not perish Which someone could come back and say well That means that there's still a possibility because they're using a subjunctive and the subjunctive opens up the possibility of someone perishing However, if you put a double negation in front of it, then what is negated is the possibility of it All right now before I deal with this verse I want to go and read some examples of from some of the from some greek Grammers I want to start off in i'm going to read five of them got two of them. I'm going to read from lagos So let me go ahead and read those this is from going deeper with new testament greek is an intermediate intermediate study of the greek grammar And it's just talking about not necessarily this passage, but just about Uh, emphatic negations of a subjunctive. Let's read what it says on the screen for you guys It says emphatic negation is expressed by the double negative who may Plus the indicative and not indicative negative particles plus the error subjunctive, which is what we're talking about As its name suggests this type of negation is emphatic and strongly denies that something will happen with me It strongly suggests that it suggests that this type of negation Is emphatic and strong strongly denies that something will happen In fact, it is the strongest way to negate a statement in greek About nine percent of the currencies are found in the sayings of jesus and the citations From the septuagint is often translated as never certainly not or absolutely not and they give some examples I'll deal with some of the examples in a little bit and then over here We have from the intermediate greek grammar. Uh-oh from the inner get off of there from the intermediate greek grammar It is a syntax syntax for students of the new testament Here's what it says who may plus the error subjunctive as indicated in parentheses Emphatic negation is signaled by the use of two negative particles with the error subjunctive The construction has the strength or force of the colloquial expression. No way There's no way despite molten's opinion now someone gives an opinion that This is something something else to do with it This is about it only showing up in four times not counting jesus or not counting the septuagint Hold up some other stuff. Anyway, but I'll go ahead and read it though Despite molten's opinion that only paul and only four of and only four times Employ the constructions with his full classical instance. We view all the new testament Uses mostly in what jesus reported to have said and the septuagint quotations of the doubly negated error subjunctive as genuinely emphatic All the long also by the way, one of the things that they're saying is that Everything that jesus negates whether he used the emphatic negation or a single negation is emphatic That may be the case, but we're just talking about just the rules of grammar. So now let's go back to Okay, do have let's go back to the accordion software. I want to pull up Mounts. I told you yesterday that that there are certain soft. That's our certain books if you want to start learning greek Then mount says basics of biblical greek is a good one and on this one We are looking at where he's talking about in the passage of the textbook Entitled subjunctives. There is a greek scholar and a grammarian in here. Also a new testament scholar By the name of wees fanon who gives commentary by the way bill mounts also agrees with this you can go to his channel bill mount name By the same name bill mounts and he states the same thing But look what he says when we listen make sure you guys are paying attention to Listen because some some of you guys and here's what's happening. Here's here. Here is a tragedy Here is the tragedy What i'm actually saying is Could be beneficial But there's a lot of folks that might not want to listen You might in your mind already be figuring out how to get past it or your own statements You'll never learn you'll never learn that way if the first thing you do is to throw up your dukes put up your defenses And speak while while someone's trying to give you some information you may reject it But find out why you're going to reject it. Listen what bill mounts who is a who teaches greek and all these other scholars what they're saying This is wees fanon in this case. So he said when we listen to someone who care I'm sorry. Let's let's drop it. I won't read all that part He says this chapter describes a fascinating combination used by the greek language to show emphasis It is the use of two negatives who may with a subjunctive verb to indicate a strong negation about the future A strong negation about the future you hear what i'm saying a strong negation about the future The speaker uses the subjunctive verb to suggest a future possibility But the same phrase he emphatically denies by means of the double negative That such could ever happen in other words. He's negating that such could ever happen. Are you with me? this linguistic combination Occurs about 85 times in the new testament Look what he says often in significant promises or reassurances about the future In jesus's description of himself as the good shepherd in john 10 in john 10 He gives one of the most treasured of these promises my sheep listen to my voice I know them and they follow me. I give them eternal life and they shall never perish He says this it would have been enough to have ooh with the future indicative verb here Uh, but jesus is more emphatic the subjunctive combinations strongly denies even the possibility Of any of jesus's sheep would perish they will certainly not perish They will by no means perish in is the sense of jesus's assertion This is reinforced by the addition of the phrase ice tone iona Which is forever jesus's emphatic promises is a bad rock of assurance and godly motivation This is by we span and this is obviously in daniel wallace. I'm not daniel wallace is in um Bill mounts's greek grammar beyond the basics Then i want to go to burton's new testament greek moods This is how my and the subjunctive is one of the moods On 167 he says the strongly negative. Umay occurs rarely in prohibitions with the air subjunctive and he gives some examples From matthew acts also from the from the greek septuagint in isaia Are probably to be understood as prohibitory as in the hebrew of the passage rather than emphatically predictive as in the rv Umay If I get a which is clearly prohibitive In matthew 20 and he gives me some examples and so forth what have you so He takes a little less Stringent stance, but he's still saying though that it is still is that it still is Negating something in a double doubly fashion Now let's go to daniel wallace daniel wallace. You've heard me speak about him as a matter of fact We're going to listen to After I read this we're going to listen to Brian right again I told you guys yesterday. Do I still have it here? I don't have one of the books I told you that brian right Contribute to helped with was a book called revisiting the corruption of the greek new testament The author of that book is daniel wallace. Dr. Daniel wallace daniel wallace is at the top of the mountain on this on greek He just he just is There are folks now. There are some folks that I guess you would call contemporaneous equals But he is well respected. There's no one that's going to just Turn their nose up at him or disagree. You don't have a lot of disagreement with him Even by the way, do you know where you get a lot of the material? From from people who disagree with a person like a bart ermine from daniel wallace's work He has debated bart ermine and he make he does a An astounding job of disproving him because what what bart ermine can't do is come back and disprove daniel wallace is greek So let's turn to daniel wallace and let's see what he says And I want you all especially you guys that are disagreeing with me already Listen to what he says This is from the from greek grammar beyond the basics. This is from the section of emphatic negation of a subject He says now listen to this Emphatic negation is indicated by ume plus the air subjunctive or less frequently ume plus the future indicative This is the strongest way to negate something in greek So now again if you want to negate something or the possibility of something ever happening, this is how you do it Just like in english if I can say if if there's a way in english to say you could never ever ever lose your salvation And then someone comes back and say well, no At least you understand that in english. I said it you understood what I was saying Well in greek there's a way to say you will never ever ever perish or lose your salvation There's a way to do so and they're doing it one might think going back to wallace one might think That the negative with the subjunctive could not be as strong as a negative with the indicative However while plus the indicative denies a certainty Ume plus the listen what he says listen what he says Ume plus the subjunctive denies a potentiality The negative is not weaker rather the affirmation Is I mean that is being negative is less firm with the subjunctive ume look listen to this Please listen what he's saying ume Rules out even the idea as being a possibility So we're talking about salvation the idea of loss of salvation as a possibility Ume is the most decisive way of negativing something in the future. You read that part again It's on the screen for you Ume is the most decisive way of negativing something in the future And fatic negation is found primarily in the reported sayings of jesus Secondarily in the quotations from the septuagint outside of these two occurrences occurs only rarely At which is what the other guy was talking about in the other grammar as well Listen what he says a soterological theme is frequently found in such statements, especially in john What he says Listen what he says What is negative is the possibility of the loss of salvation? Now what he does is he goes on to give some examples we'll cover some examples in just a little bit now I want to go and ask because This is how I felt for the last 10 11 years It's impossible It's impossible according to the greek now. I thought this way before previously the last 10 11 years But I didn't know the greek then wasn't looking at the greek and I didn't know the greek For clothes it closed the door on this So I've heard some folks say they haven't given any examples mind you the people that will say Now I disagree if they haven't given they haven't cited a grammarian They haven't cited any Greek rules to overcome this they haven't said they haven't cited anything They'll just say I disagree. Okay fine So I said, well, let me ask a scholar who might know of a scholar Let me ask a scholar who might know of someone else who disagrees And so I I broached this question with him in our discussion of just some of the greek nuggets quick question I'll ask you. Um, yeah, I mean take One of the passages and I every greek text that I've seen And then I've seen Daniel Wallace go more in depth in his in his book Is there a way to get around Fert the first John 10 28 to show that you could lose your salvation. Is it is there a way for I haven't seen Anyone come up with an explanation to say that this The emphatic negation there's a way around it Hey So when you said John 10 21 10 28 Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I was just gonna pull it up so I can be looking at the same thing. So I get now Listen to what he says Look at his face Look and see if he's also agreeing and listen and listen to see if he uh disagrees Do that as well. Listen to what he's saying Listen to what he disagrees if he disagrees. Listen to see if he agrees I give him eternal life and they will never perish and no so oh So, yeah The strongest way to negate something in greek is a double negative. So when you see a double, it's the most emphatic. So umae So that's why you see a never sometimes you'll see an exclamation point. So when you see umae, it's like a no not ever It's a never Okay, so far so far so good so far. He's he's agreeing with me Um, he wasn't quite sure of what I was asking. So I'm going to ask it a different way. So I don't know if I'm understanding your question. Is it if there's a double negative. Is it that emphatic? Yes, it is No, what I'm saying is I've heard people say that No, that's not quite what it what it means and said will give me an understanding because what's seen what what he's negativing is The possibility of perishing Uh, it's in this objective. So there's no possibility of it So well You're applying it incorrectly. Is there a possibility for someone who would disagree and would understand greek to figure out a way To say that this does not apply so The greek is clear that it is the strongest way you can negate this So To say can anyone come across come along and say something else? Of course, they can but does the greek help them? No, is there something that you can get around a double negative? So there's even a dissertation either a thesis or dissertation written that I read uh, because I I Wrote an article on negate on a specific type of construction in the greek and negating something So I had a research. How does it how did greek negate things? There's really no more emphatic way than a double negative. So Okay, now at least so far He's saying what i'm saying. He's agreeing with me There's a reason why because I wanted to make sure is there any does he say is there somebody else? And I think the article that that he's talking about the dissertation. I read the same thing. It's like, okay This this is it's really weird. It's it's really weird and even in that even in that he's not even really Disagreeing he's just trying to say is there a more emphatic way in this particular article But let's finish. Let's let's see if he disagrees because there's someone in the chats who believes that He doesn't say what i'm saying. He's not backing up what i'm saying so You'd have to have some other strong types of arguments from context or The grammar or syntax to try to make any other case other than What it clearly says is They will know not ever perish There you go Let's keep let's keep moving and see if if if maybe he disagrees A little further By the way, he will he doesn't they will never perish So again the assumption is who he gives the eternal life to Will never perish that that that is a take that to the bank If they have if they have eternal life, so then the question is do they really have eternal life? But if somebody really has eternal life That will never be taken away Okay, I best best what you just said is what i've been saying Yeah, well surely the guy there some way somewhere some sort of okay. Well, I haven't seen I haven't heard it It wouldn't be here. And so and again, are there passages? I mean there's passages that people debate over can you lose your salvation a heapers tan and some other passages, but um But again this the greek doesn't Doesn't help you at all there if you're trying to argue that no you can probably lose your salvation here Not right here One of the arguments that he should always say he would just he'd walk around compound and people say I'll I'll never forget someone was having this argument before beside him and he said I said chat In prison we call him chaper chaplain Uh, you thinking about religious salvation not that's not what the greek says. No, I think you can well Not according to the greek and so he would say that and guys would just get upset for the guys who believe that you could and So I thought it was it was pretty cool. But but so now and keep in mind that Who was a mentor of his? Daniel Wallace What does he also believe? The same thing So now now so what ben is doing this is what ben is doing ben is looking for any way any way To say that that because then he said no not here Well go and read his stuff Ben go go go and read the man stuff the man does not I know for a fact Listen, I've come across this man since 2010 11 That's what he was then it's what he is now You can disagree. You'd be the only one out there He'd be his wife would have to call you and say listen stop it. He doesn't believe that anywhere but again This passage says what it says if this passage ben If this matter of fact, let's put let's put it back on the screen again. Let's then if this passage ben States in this path that is impossible to lose your salvation Because it's what's negative is the possibility of losing your salvation in the future That's that's literally what this passage says But if you say that there's a passage that says over here that you can what do we have, uh, mr. Gill What do we have? We have a clear contradiction Now we've got a reason not to read any of the bible because it's a contradiction You didn't hear what he said. What was he alluded to by saying not here? He says not Not here now if you go to john 10 26 or 27 There are arguments that are made and we talked about this there's arguments that are made but even there it doesn't say so People what what happens is ben people are going to try to find arguments To make their case the problem is though ben. Let's say let's just say let's say you have a passage to go to What would happen if you have a passage to go to that says you could lose your salvation And i'm pointing to a passage that says it's impossible to lose your salvation That's the very definition of a contradiction If I say we're going right and another passage says we're not going right That's the contradiction now someone said i'm going right and then again later says i'm going left It's not a contradiction But to say i'm going right or not go right and then say i am going right that is a contradiction So if you say that you can lose your salvation and he's just stated in this passage By the way, this is jesus's sameness that you cannot it is literally impossible Then we have a contradiction fellas So you you listen you can throw all the terms you want to but but what you're not doing is you're not sticking to the point And that's the problem That's why you would you would not do well at teaching because you're not dealing dealing with the fact How is this Let me ask you this question or anyone else all of you guys have put the y up. It says that yes You could lose your salvation. Do you guys understand what was stated here about this rule? Specifically you build ben do you understand what the rule states? That's the question. Do you understand what the rule states? If you don't I understand for your uh lack of understanding elsewhere So my question is do you understand what this? what this states this rule trust in god not in man fine Jesus spoke in greek. He spoke this in greek general down in greek so You're asking us to trust in gods. What his word? What are the words written in? So my question is how should we not? Look at the words and take them for what they say by the way if I brought up other examples Let's go back to it as a matter of fact If I brought this up and said where jesus says my words will not at all pass away Uh, hoi lai goi moon Umei and here we have this umei right here An umei uh, oh can I highlight this so I can an umei and then we have this Parathelsen Parathelsen which is a subjunctive Which means they will never ever ever ever ever on any circumstances pass away the possibility of Passing away is negated the possibility Of his words passing away are negated now. We're not talking about salvation here Right here in this passage matthew 24 35 the possibility of jesus words passing away Are negated they'll never ever ever pass away. Does anyone think that jesus's words will ever pass away? So let me ask you guys this question Does anyone in the chats or anyone in the comment section later? Do you think that when jesus says my words will never pass away? Do you think that still opens up the possibility of his words passing away? Is there the hint of a possibility that happening? Does anyone think that jesus's words Will ever pass away Yvonne says no jeff says no and the rest of you are starting to say no as well So the question is where did you get that from? Where did you get the understanding or the belief that jesus's words will never ever ever pass away? From his writing from what he literally said No, so if we're going to listen to his words there if we're going to listen to jesus's words in matthew 24 35 We also need to listen to jesus's words in john 10 28 if the rule applies in matthew 24 35 The rule also applies in john 10 28 Let's look at some more. By the way, notice john 10 28 is also part of part of the rules here John 11 26 Pah pah hazoein kai pistuan Ace a mate oomei and here it is Apah apah fine Let's highlight the double negation and the subjunctive oomei and apah fine Apah fine is a subjunctive for to die or to perish Okay, so all those that are believing in him In me. I'm sorry in me No, not ever ever ever will die. So my question does anyone believe That it's possible for those folks that are believing in him to perish Is it possible for everyone those you believe you can lose salvation those who believe you cannot is it possible To if you're believing in him to lose your salvation and notice what he uses Notice he uses the pistuan that is a present active participle Those that are believing. So if you are believing in him, is it possible for you to perish? Does anyone think that it's possible? Well, he literally says no it's impossible Now someone says verses need to be interpreted in context Exactly right, which is why you cannot escape and we'll go back to it and make this this this John 10 28 We'll put it in context Now the issue that somebody might bring up Anybody might want to bring this up. There's two issues that you can bring up Yeah, that's true Those that are believing in him or let's go back to the verse John 10 28 Yeah, it's true that no one will snatch him and I give him eternal life And so those that those that have it they will never perish question is Who has eternal life Or when do you get eternal life? Who has eternal life and when do you get eternal life? So if we can figure out who has it and when they got it Then we can also make this passage stick as well that can add more to it So now let's figure out who has it Well, the who would let's go to John 3 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his son his only begotten son that And I pass I pistol on the ones who are believing in him So whoever's believing in him The one that's believing in him That person has eternal life So we don't have to do a whole lot of you know bending over and jumping around to figure out who the person is Who the person that's whoever it is that's believing The believing one that person has life Into the ages or into into the eternity Forever whoever is believing has life forever. The question is when do they get it because some people are going to say well You're saved, but you don't actually get it until you get there You don't actually get eternal life until you die until you get to the end But that's not what Jesus says as well in John 6 47. Look what Jesus says. He says truly truly. I say to you He who believes has eternal life Let's look at again. I man and man let go him the believing one hot pistol on a k this word a k the believing ones When does the believing one get eternal life The greek word here is a k it's present tense He has it when does he have it it's present tense. So it means he has it right now I'm doing it again. I'm doing this again. I don't know why I'm doing this again, but I'm doing this again He has eternal life right now He's doing it. He's getting it right now. What the person that's believing Has right now what life life when forever? That's little that's literally now. Is there anyone that disagrees with what I just said about John 6 47 That the person that is believing He has life right now Is there anyone that disagrees? Because I would love to know who who who disagrees with John 6 47 and on what basis do you agree do you disagree with John 6 47 Because again, you go find another passage says that's not true Well, then we got a contradiction if you go find another passage that says that's not true We got a contradiction now. I will let you know that whatever passage you go you go to first of all, we've covered it But two it didn't say that There are warning passages says listen if you live this way if you're this way if you're that way Then you will perish Well, why would he say that because there are people out there who legitimately think that they they are safe Well, what do you do with such a person? What do you do with a person who thinks they're safe and they're not well you warn them like like james 5 19 and 20 Are you with me? So now if you are believing If it is right now it is 554 p.m. Central standard time 5 p.m. CST 5 p.m. Cory standard time right now is 5 p.m. Where I 554 where I am If you are believing right now What do you have right now and here I'm doing it. Oh, go on. I keep doing it again, but I like it What do you have right now you have life? How long do you have life? According to 647 forever Forever That is if you are believing Now the question is going to be if you are believing There are people who think they are and are not monologues. Thank you for the super sticker There are people who are believing And then those there are those who think they believe which is what jesus brings up There are certain people I can always count on catching my dog on it There are certain people that are going to which is listen. That's my word That it's almost as though I invented that word It's almost as though I invented that word Um, I make I'm making dog on it great again. That's what I'm doing Dog listen you should be saying it dog on it I think it's because I've been down in Texas for too long Yeah, yeah, there have been times where instead of me saying light I've said lot and it's like I had to catch myself and I hope no one heard that There you go Cameron, I I appreciate that Cameron. Let's not I appreciate you recognizing the uh, what does that game recognize this game? I appreciate you recognizing that camera Anyway, but if you believe You have it forever. The issue is do you believe? That's why jesus brings up this issue in john. I'm sorry not john in luke eight In luke eight. And so what does he say? There are those Explained the parable of the sowers those who believe for a moment. They had it and it just left different things happen But then there's others who it took root and stayed Because they had a good heart or what where's the heart the good heart comes from that comes from god that that comes from the spirit Austin, thank you so much for the soup and I appreciate more than the super chat. I appreciate the kind words I do by the way appreciate the kind words guys. I really do It's really what keeps it's make it makes me want to go and look up some stuff because I'm gonna have a video out tomorrow That he said That I've done a video on that I disagree with what he said so now what I have to do Dog on it. There it is. I gotta go look it up. I gotta go search Not that I'm I'm agreeing with what he said, but I gotta go check it out I've got to make I was I wrong? If so, guess what there's a video saying I was wrong I won't tell you what it is just yet. Some of you all may have heard it when he says like, huh That's a little different one. Cory said I might be wrong might be and it's cool. I'm fine with that I am fine with that No, uh, Dutch stop trying to fix me. I'm perfect right the way I am right here Although I do like that gosh dogged I might use that come to think of it I might have to gosh dog it Man, I you'd have messed the whole last room up now. I'm gosh dogged Okay, okay. Gosh dog. Where's where's my pin it? I'm gonna have to write that down I've got to write that down my friend because hey that that is That's awesome. Gosh dog it. How you spell it gosh dog it. Yep Now back to our regularly scheduled program Gosh dog it dog on it. Hmm. That's it Yes, he did. Uh, dinah. He came through. I like I like that. I like that gosh gosh dog it I almost said it. I said the gosh dog it gosh dog. All right. I'm sorry I'm sorry. I'm sorry But Jesus is clear here if you believe What do you have life gosh dog it when you got it? You got it right now dog on it. There we go So now if you believe now, let's go back to John 10 Let's go back to John 10 and let's keep this because someone said even though they and the person said this agreed But it says we should keep things in context. So how about we keep things in context? Let's go to the very beginning of John 10 Which will be verse one Let's see what he says Truly truly I say to you he who does not enter by the door Into the sheep the fold of the sheep but climbs up some other way He is a thief and a robber But he who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep now speaking about Jesus speaking about Jesus To him the doorkeeper opens and the sheep hear his voice the now start with us also as we said before What are we called here on on on this channel? We're not just sheep. We're sheep assist and so he opens the door And who hears his voice his sheep assist which sheep assist of his His own and he calls his own idiot That's his own his own sheep assist by name. We got to say sheep assist because it's plural. It's not just one So his own sheep assist by name That's me Ben that's you CG that's you Brian that's you dining that's you detox that's you Cameron that's you a Renee that's you he calls you by your name Which is why he makes a statement. I never knew you I know you I know about you. I know all the things you've done I even know why you did what you do, but I don't I don't have that relationship with you But his sheep assist we do And he calls his own sheep by name and leaves him out When he puts forth all his what his own idiot, there's again All of his own he goes ahead of them And what do the sheep do what do what do us sheep assist do? Since we follow him the sheep follow him. Why why do the sheep follow him? There's this greek word that you don't need to familiarize yourself with The the greek. I mean the sheep follow him. Why because hati It means because the reason why we follow him because they that's us sheep assist know his voice And the word or does in we know we understand we are thoroughly familiar with him. We know him We know his voice Not just that we hear him we I know what the word says. No, I know the word. Are you with me? Because we know his voice Look what it says for you guys think that that us sheep assist will walk away Because how are we going to walk away? What's going to cause us to walk away? Man, we're hearing some of the strange voice. Well, we cover that a stranger They who's the they a sheep assist. That's the they a stranger. They simply will not follow Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hold up. Wait a minute How about we put some more greek in it? Y'all see y'all see that gosh dogged. I'm over here What what what's the word guys is I'm spitting bars or Did I say it right bars? I'm spitting bars. I'm I'm spitting I'm spitting did I did I say it right come on y'all help me Sometime old folk just just just listen stay in stay in lane. Cory. That ain't that ain't you that's that's not you Cory that ain't that ain't you but as I said With my rhyming my skills hold up. Wait a minute. Let's put a little more greek in it Look what bars. That's that's it putting bars. But do you have to say some before bars? You don't say spitting bars or I'm sorry. I don't okay. Okay. And now okay. I see uh, uh, no cap lol and I say you lit When you guys asked me is it have I fully adjusted since coming out of prison? No One of the hardest things that I've I've had to come up with or deal with is the the vocabulary now the vernacular of today I'm still behind listen I'm still on my space. You guys are on facebook and and snapchat Is snap snapchat. Yeah snapchat And then the chat cheapy with a ai whatever i'ma catch up though I'll catch up eventually when I catch up to that We'll be doing something different, but I'll get there anyway I want you all to notice something I want you all to notice something So far we've been talking about a double negation and ooh may in front of a era subjunctive That's the strongest way. You know the second strongest way to negate something or something might say it's equally strong Is a double negation in front of a future active indicative Hmm Let's go to verse five a stranger Let me let me make sure I'm I'm good. All right, hold on make sure I'm good Is my hair straight? Is my hair straight? Okay I want you guys to hear this I want you guys to hear this what Jesus is getting ready to say You heard it But you didn't hear it You heard it, but I want you to really hurt it. I want you to really hear it I want you to really really hear this passage. I want it to connect Okay A stranger they simply will not follow That's a nice way of putting it. But look what we have look what we have here. Who may Aakalu Thaisus in so long a lot of syllables right there Aakalu Thaisus in What is this in the lower right here or just underneath my face? It says this is a Future active indicative the second strongest way or for some folks just as strong of a way To negate something from happening. This is from happening in the future Jesus negates this from happening in the future He says they will never ever ever ever ever Follow Stop coming back and saying that they'll walk away Who they're gonna walk away listen to they he literally just said they will never ever ever ever follow Maybe some some of you guys are ordering your greek books right now Some of you guys are ordering it right now Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that okay. How'd you put that? Uh, who may aakalu no not face aakalu aakalu Thaisus in Who may aakalu Thaisus in? Yeah Jesus says a stranger they simply will not follow That's his way that they simply will not follow Will never ever ever ever ever follow that is the construct of this Phrase right here guys. They will never ever ever ever follow. Let's continue A stranger they will they simply will not follow but We got this word Allah, which is but not Allah like muslim Allah, but Allah But what will they do will flee They will flee What will they do they will flee From him Because they do not know not know who that stranger They will not listen to that stranger They will never follow that stranger, but they will flee So far how do I you're right through the holy spirit? What does everybody we have the holy spirit? Every believer has the holy spirit Do y'all remember and I actually I actually had to apologize or not really apologize But say I was wrong on one thing that I was trying to figure out Because I see people bringing up different parts different passages in Hebrews And obviously we know what Hebrews is speaking who he's speaking to he's speaking up Well, what was what's the name of the book to Hebrews to Jews to Jews who have placed their faith in Christ Who they believe is the messiah Problem is what did Jews used to these Jews are used to The the rituals the ceremonies they're used to their offerings They're used to Uh the day of atonement But what does he say in 10 5 he says sacrifice and offer you do not desire but a body why because under the old These sacrifices these offerings would bring back a temporary Atonement that they have to do the big one day of atonement year after year after year for one year And then in the midst of that if they messed up or what have you they were sent offerings and so forth In the middle of that that you could have on your own And if you didn't have enough money If you don't have enough money to to give the type of offering you could go down to to a pigeon And see I I need you guys to do a little bit better job of just paying attention Yeah, you don't need no greek who said you need greek, but we're giving an understanding here But guess what you don't need greek, but you got the greek you don't need english either do you But I but I bet you I bet I'm pretty sure sycam dogs That you adhere to the rules of greek. I mean of english Right if I said sycam dogs and I said the georgia bulldogs are some trash Let's fight and words, isn't it? But I said wait a second. I love the georgia bulldogs, but you said you call them trash You call them trash cori That's a good thing though. That means that means I love them You would say you would say you're lying because that's not what words mean You're right words have meaning just like your english words have meaning so too does agree Stop being guys guys listening. Stop being so arrogant to think that because you speak english That's the be all the end all no one else but matter of fact, there was no english at the time of this Humble yourselves and you're funky old english. I speak english And stop acting like it's above everything else There's the father of the son the holy spirit the kjv english and everything else don't do that I'm sorry mom and apple pie. Don't do that Now this little cultural bias that we have that how we think and believe and so forth is the greatest Everybody doesn't speak english on the planet matter of fact most people on the planet don't speak english Now he says uh answer my question about an individual who departed the faith You just did will he still make it into the kingdom without repentance? A believer is by nature repentant But notice I don't want to go to that passage, but if you go back and read it What are they departing from are they parting from are they departing from a verb? Are they departing from faith from believing or are they parting from the faith from the belief a noun? Anybody can believe that what we believe is true And then say, you know what? I'm through with that. Were they ever really believers? No, they just they understood mentally Yeah, Jesus died on the cross for us our sins and yada yada yada. I believe that okay fine That's just that's what we call mental ascent. Are you with me? By the way by the way, uh George is not trashed bulldogs not trashed. Look look at him. Look at he's getting mad folks. I'm sorry Georgia had an awesome team. They obviously did. They won a national championship. Got a good team and probably got a Good one coming back. I believe you guys might have a decent quarterback coming in. So that being the case And they will not be my team mister and not in basketball Anyway, so look what he says. Look what Jesus says. He says a stranger They simply will not follow but will flee from him because they do not know the voice of the stranger. Alrighty. I got you Uh-uh They simply do not know the voice of a stranger. And so because of that What did Jesus just say? Matter of fact, what did he just say in english? Even in english we get we get what he said in english So what do we do because I believe you can lose it. Let me go find a passage that doesn't say that Let me go find a passage that does not say what what what I think it's saying because I don't I don't I don't like the fact of knowing that I can never lose my I don't like the fact of believing that I can loop that I cannot never lose it Now I don't mind. I don't mind having my car insured Because I don't I can't bear the thought of losing my car I wish I could ensure my children to make sure that they could never be lost because I would love that I've got my money insured. So therefore something happens. I got my money's insured But not my spirit Not not my soul That can't no No, no God can't do that But I thought he did say that in in in Ephesians 1 13 and 14 Yeah, he gave us a down payment out of on a money a good money earnest deposit on us until we get to heaven But let's continue Uh Verse 10 So Jesus said to them again truly true I say to you I am the door of the sheep all who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them I am the door anyone if anyone if anyone Enters through me. He will be saved Now that doesn't mean that everybody's going to but whoever it is is going to enter through him if anyone enters through him What does he say? If anyone enters through me He will be saved Future tense he will be saved And will go in and out and find passion the thief comes only to steal kill and destroy it, but I came I came that they may have life and have it abundantly I came in order for them to have life and have it abundantly I am the good shepherd the good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd Who is the owner of the sheep sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and bleeds And the wolf snatches them and scatters them He flees because he's a hired hand and is not concerned about the sheep now He's he's shooting jabs at them I am the good shepherd and I know now by the way, what's the implication here if he says that The only way the wolf comes Because the hired hand sees the wolf and then leaves or what is Jesus going to do? What is what is what does he say he's going to do? Now let's continue He flees because he's a hired hand. I'm sorry verse first 14 I am the good shepherd and I know my own the word idiot, which he's I'm sorry. I'm my own Which he covered this earlier and my own know me Even as the father knows me and I know the father and I laid down my life for the sheep Look what he says now. I have other sheep which are not of this fold He's speaking to Jews. He's speaking about his Gentiles now Who are not of this fold? I must bring them or they which is it's necessary for me to bring them also And they will Hear my voice And they will Become one flock with one shepherd They will They will hear that's us Greek I mean us Gentile sheep assist We will hear his voice and as Gentile sheep assist will become one flock with the shepherd That's what the Jews with Jesus as our shepherd So when we get down to verse Let's start in 22 at the time of the feast the dedication took of dedication took place in Jerusalem It was winter and Jesus was walking in the temple in the portico of Solomon The Jews then gathered around him and were saying him how long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the christ tell us plainly the reason why they don't know because they're not his sheep assist That's all that's the reason why Jesus says if you are I mean Jesus answered I told you And you don't believe Why don't you believe because you're not my sheep assist. I told you But you do not believe Because hotty Luke s they which is you are not my sheep I told but you're not my sheep. So you don't believe the reason why you don't believe because you're not my sheep Verse 27. Look what he says my sheep us sheep assist. Are you all following us sheep assist? Hear him his voice Us sheep assist he says I know them and they follow me So verse 27 28 all part of one continuous thought acts all chapter 10 And of the sheep assist. What does he do? I give them Uh-oh, there's a word zoe anion, which is life into the ages life forever forever living to them Now this word. Let me see something. I never check you know what yeah, ha What does he do to his sheep? He gives them eternal life. Can I ask you guys a question? When does he give them eternal life according to this passage? According to verse 28, when does he give them eternal life? Well, this word did to me is in the present active indicative. So right now Right now He gives them his sheep assist eternal life And then he says what They will never perish going back to what we said before and no one will snatch them out of my hand Oh, by the way, my father who has this is very important by the way guys verse 29 My father who has given them given who the sheep assist My father who has given the sheep assist To him is greater than all and no one is able to snatch them. So who gave us sheep assist to the son? The father just like in a wedding the father gives the bride to the groom And what does he just say I won't lose not one of them not one of the ones that the father has given I'll lose none but raise them all in the last day So now I will reaffirm my statement. I'm looking for someone to You can disagree You are more than welcome to disagree If you believe your if you believe you can lose your salvation I'm reaffirming my position and I would love for you to disprove the greek rendering of john 10 28 Tell me why it's wrong Or tell me That courier's right You're just applying it wrong. Tell me how i'm applying it incorrectly Tell me how i'm misunderstanding the rule. Is there someone before we get ready to leave? Is there anyone? That will tell me Is there anyone that tells me? I don't know why that popped in my eye I just looked over there and I got a message that says I just missed my tax return filing deadline However, I did not I did not Just because I didn't file my taxes doesn't mean that i'm in trouble No, because I filed an extension So i'm good I'm in the category where you know, you make enough to earn. I mean to owe but not enough to pay it so I'm going to have to sell some blood. That's all but no problem. There's no problem There's no problem. Listen, I'll I'll sell as much blood as I can So It is what it is, right? I'm gonna tell the IRS come get me And what will the IRS say where yet we coming? No, I'm not going back to prison. I'm gonna be on the run, baby. I'm be on the run camera. I'm not I'm not going back I'm not going back. Listen Uh, I will find Jimmy Hoffa's body and tell everybody where it is and make some money off of that No, I'll I'll I'll be all right. I'll be all right It's not like I owe a ton It's not like I owe a ton I could do that. You know what chest champ your own or something Guys, I'm gonna listen for the next for the next week or two Three weeks, maybe I'm gonna do some deliverance do some prophecies and some deliverance and I will Make enough money to pay these taxes Or I guess I could just cast the irs demon out. I could just do that, huh? Yeah Anyway, so Here's the question though You guys listen you can disagree and that's fine And if you disagree, I would love for you to help me out. Tell me If I misunderstood the rule Or if I'm applying it wrong or if the rule simply does not apply to salvation Tell me Because if I do understand the rule properly And if I am applying it properly Then what jesus said is that you it is impossible for you to lose your salvation. He literally says that By the way guys that is reason to rejoice That's reason to shout that's reason to dance. That's reason to do all it Gosh dogged dog on it. That's shouting me if if you're gonna speak in tongues do it on that Do I wouldn't even care if it's the if it's the non biblical tongues do it on that That's good news. The good news is not that salvation has come to israel The good news is not that salvation has come to the world No, the good news is because they had salvation the good news is that salvation has come permanently to him Who is able To keep you But then we say but he doesn't he's able to keep you but he doesn't Okay So now he's just toying with us So my question is if you disagree Not going to the other passages you might come up with If you disagree tell me why tell me where i'm wrong I hold to this challenge. You are not going to get past this Really all of john tan Oh, no, no, no, I would never no I would never tell anyone to not pay their iris. Don't pay their taxes By the way, you want to you want to know what prison did for me prison actually Saved me. I shouldn't say save but I guess is one way of looking at it Saved me about two hundred and forty thousand dollars in taxes Prison saved me two hundred and forty thousand dollars in taxes. This has nothing to it once saved all we say but Just so no one would think that i'm i'm trying to avoid taxes, but Let me tell you what it did first of all the iris Can only get what you have They have what's called an offering compromise. It's just part of the tax code Most folks don't know about it and they will turn to somebody else to help them to get their Tax burden Soften and they'll call one of these companies who're going to call on your behalf of the iris They'll ask is that okay and they'll do I forgot the form that it is I forgot the form but just go to iris.gov and they'll tell you it's an offering compromise They'll take whatever you have your assets and that how much you ever much you're making and expect to make and there's a formula put together and ipso facto presto You owe such and such. I think at the time you have three years to pay it Well, guess what I didn't have once once the feds came in and put me in jail nothing No income no assets. So what does what is the iris required to do? When I came when I got out of prison and had to go meet with the iris I said, well, you don't know anything What? You know anything I almost spoke in tongues Almost did it that day. I smiled. I don't know anything who Best shot by my company. I'm kidding. I'm kidding 1 240 Amen John, thank you for super chat. Who will bring any chart? There it is right there Who this is this is paul who will bring a charge against god's elect? It is god who justifies man We need to figure out what it means to be justified to be justified means to be declared right And treated as such who declares us right god. No one else god declares us right He says who is there to condemn us? After other than god nobody For christ jesus who died And more than that was raised to life is at the right hand of the father and he is interceding So we would say he's interceding for us, but we ain't gonna make it No, no, we're Amen, amen and amen Time to time to shout Amen. Amen right save me from drug addiction for super chat save me from drug addiction Yeah Yeah, thank you for speaking in tongues for me Thank you for speaking tongue because you know, I'm uh, I used to be good at it used to do it But I don't but listen you all got some some tax some free tax advice You can do what's called an offering now if you got money And you got some assets It ain't gonna work for you just for folks who don't have it anymore So Won't it won't listen won't he do it? Won't he do it as we say so guys Save I see I see all you guys's question say then we will have the we'll have a q&a on friday Um, and then also get ready for the awesome the most awesome The most gosh dogged dog on this bible study in the history of bible studies on the planet especially on youtube Get ready for that on saturday. So anyway guys, thank you so much. Listen if you disagree If it's going to take you a day or two whatever to do some research and figure out, okay This is why you're wrong cori on this passage Because if i'm right on this passage then you must be wrong on the other passages or we have a contradiction So deal with this passage. Don't go to Hebrews, Galatians, Matthew, wherever else this passage and then tell me where i'm wrong See the Marvelous just come I push the wrong button, but marvelous just come to the bible study Just just come to bible study sweetheart. I want I want to assume you're a woman I hope you are if you are a guy And you're calling yourself marvelous We got to talk Unless you are marvelous marvin haggler some of you folks don't know who that is Yeah, but when you say one saved always save is is still not biblical after all of this. Can you tell me where I was wrong? It's just create you What Okay marvelous. I mean the good reason why you why you calling yourself marvelous. I'm sorry. I'm messing with you now You gotta tell us now. You gotta tell us now, but give me a reason why Give me a reason why unless your name is marvin I'm listening because I got a buddy named marvin. It's a thing. I guess if your name is marvin But give me a reason why uh oh uh oh I see an old time boxing fan I see an old time boxing fan But tell me a reason why I'm all ears Well, I guess not ears because I can't hear shit, but I'm all eyes just tell before eyes as a matter of fact You said you had to step away. Okay. Well, I would I would say go back and check it out I think it was a good video And then see if this makes sense. Can I now I got one last question? I'll let you guys go Wait a second. Is it ah You're right. You're right. Listen. I I saw it I saw it and I'm I apologize bad eyes. You guys are right. It's marvelous marvelous I'm gonna be honest. That ain't that ain't better though. I'd write you stick with marvelous I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding Now for all of you guys ask a question I've got to ask you guys a question I do I do dine. I do I keep saying I'm gonna set the appointment up and I never get around to it I I never get around to it How many times have I saw a chat and got it all wrong? You guys just laughing at me in the chat because I can't read I can read I just can't see it's a big difference. It's a big difference Just stay out of my way when I'm driving I almost forgot my question My question is this and we'll end on this. This is this is only for the people. Well, I guess anybody can ask this question Anybody can ask this question answer this question if if You could choose for us to a Never lose our salvation or b to be able to lose our salvation Which would you choose? Melville is Which would you choose? Would you choose to a never lose our salvation or to b be able to lose our salvation? Which would you rather it be? Which would you rather it be? I want to I want to get an understanding. Which would you rather it be to Never be able to salvation or to you want the possibility of losing your salvation? I'm gonna go. I don't I'm gonna say this If you would like to have the possibility of losing your salvation I'm gonna take your temperature Check you out. See if you got a fever Have you lay on the couch? We're gonna talk Cover some things and family history Because we got an issue we got an issue if you would like to be able to lose your salvation I would like to never lose the one thing that I value the most is my salvation Well, there are plenty of passes to tell you that you cannot so That being the case that there it is. Why would I trust myself to secure something? I never are a that you said that perfectly You said that perfectly Wait, wait a minute. Okay, somebody put somebody picked B. Okay Praying for you So all we can say we're praying for you But for the rest of you guys Anyone else who disagrees Let me know in the chats. I would love to know put drop a comment Drop a comment do the youtube thing and drop a like as well But I would also love to know why you agree or disagree So in the meantime guys, I love you all and I will see you on tomorrow. God bless