 when you think of third parties in the united states libertarian and green the libertarian party always does way better than the green party and they got 1.2 percent dude so you're telling me that his ceiling is like what i mean freaking more than half of that so youtube who just laughs in himself and just drinks himself into like a stupor every night and just says crazy shit with a million subscribers on youtube is gonna get has a ceiling of 0.7 percent are you serious right now dude it really feels as if this week we got definitive proof that the gods are real and they bestowed upon us a gift that we will cherish for all of eternity because this gift will produce the best memes in the history of the internet and i cannot wait to see what happens i'm of course referring to the fact that jimmy door might be running for president in 2024 right off the bat i just want to say that i unequivocally endorse this move not his campaign to be clear i do not endorse him but i endorse his decision to potentially run for president because i mean god damn that would be the most incoherent platform we've ever seen so i'm gonna read this press release this is from movement for people's party so apparently he would run under their banner and would be their first candidate to run apparently so this was released yesterday and i haven't read this full press release yet so apparently it's not a final decision but this is just something it's i guess this is like a pseudo draft jimmy campaign and i'm all for it i unequivocally unconditionally support this i want him to run for president it's a dark time in america and it's getting worse agree millions lack food and healthcare and live paycheck to paycheck poverty wages now gutted by inflation i love how they're talking about all this substance meanwhile movement for a people's party is essentially doing shit like this people who menstruate seriously sounds like npr wants to cancel women they deleted this tweet but thankfully jack will ensaved it and by the way if you click on this article it goes to an npr piece that has women in the headline but this is what they're doing they're pretending that they're all about that substance when in actuality they're pandering to reactionaries eviction and homelessness sweep every city desperation so deep it drives people to opioid addiction and mass murder suicide the looming fall of the dollar and depression a dying empire lashing out for war with not one but two new nuclear powers the major left-wing party in this country leading the charge for annihilation and censorship okay first of all we don't have a left-wing party in this country we have two right-wing parties one is a just typical conservative party the other is a far-right batshit insane death cult now to my understanding i don't know what the platform is but these individuals like nick brana jimmy door they embrace elements of the death cult anti-vax vehemently so but yet pro medicare for all when vaccines are part of healthcare it's just ideologically inconsistent but um either way they're they're raising serious issues here but what exactly is the solution door 24 it has a nice ring to it admittedly but um i just i'll reserve i'll reserve i'll try to reserve my judgment until i hear them out first okay thankfully i and many others have recently found a real hope and joy in the prospect that jimmy door could run for president of the united states jimmy has been considering a run for president with the people's party for the past several weeks we've been discussing it with him and steve and have developed a 50 state campaign and ballot access plan with organizers and leading ballot access attorneys so they're serious about this right and they had to have spoken with jimmy before making this press release i don't know how this conversation went but it's probably like hey jimmy you should run for president and then steve goes that laughs really hard and jimmy's like and then they start talking but there always has to be like a fake laugh even when it's completely inappropriate they have to drop that in somehow and that's why that's why we need you to run for president ha you've been bringing it up on this show and i've seen you talk about it with chris hedges and i saw you talk about it with jackson right here and you know what kaleb moppin said orger king he said that would be a real political game changer and you know what orphe said uh our friend matt orphe i thought kyle kaleb moppin said i wanted to take away your capitalistic gains what did what did orphe say he said that it is a once in a multi lifetime opportunity and you know who i spoke to just two days ago oh don't tell me the goat ralph nader yeah you want me to end up like ralph nader ralph nader oh no i don't think so though and ralph doesn't think you'll end up like ralph nader i wouldn't but um because i have the gift of humor the crowds in demoyne omaha and kansas city erupted in cheers when jimmy surprised everyone at his live stand-up shows last month and said i'm thinking of running for president and took town hall style questions for the first time that's what you're basing this off of furils holy fuck that weekend jackson hinkle told him he shouldn't run for president live on jimmy shell well there's one endorsement so i mean i guess that you should run based on that if somebody in the chat tells me to run for president i'll take that as evidence that there is a desire and i may need to fill that gap um live on jimmy shell and jimmy said he's considering it then jimmy asked christ hedges what would happen if he runs for president or if he was to run for president on the air and on june 3rd i joined jimmy and steve in studio and told them uh and all of their supporters why he needs to run we discussed it for the last half of the segment with jackson and kurt smith and kurt metzger weighing in the next day jimmy uploaded the whole conversation to youtube so he's taken it serious he put that on youtube oh this this is getting really serious jimmy would be the most popular comedian to ever run for president he would be the first candidate with his own hugely popular online show something that has only just now become possible due to the rise of the internet and independent media okay i mean is that has there never been another comedian to run for president because this would unironically be the most hilarious thing jimmy door has ever done in his career as a comedian so um there's that we believe that jimmy could win no you do not bitch you do not believe that jimmy door can win are you fucking kidding me you know how bernie sanders ran twice and didn't win you know tulsi gabbert their idol ran for uh president and got like what was it two pledge delegates fuck all that jimmy door he can win by joking his way to the white house running on an unapologetic message of medicare for all transphobia and banning vaccine mandates his campaign tour could be even more incredible potentially with figures like chris hedges cornell west susan sarandon and a parent pill i'm not sure who that is max blooming tall chris smalls medea benjamin jackson hinkle richard wolf and erin mate joining him on the road and what is sure to be the most revolutionary white house cabinet in the history of this country i don't think that people understand like this is really when you're too far in your bubble where you think that this youtube show this relatively large but still smaller than the grand scheme of us politics show this is not like indicative of the entire population has jimmy door ever organized anything in his life besides like uh forced to vote has he actually like organized on the ground like movement for a people's party has these chapters of people who are actually really well intentioned and then the national organization keeps fucking them over keeps denying them resources this has been covered on status coup it's been covered by other outlets so the fact that they like are saying he could actually win win is um if they think that he can win legitimately they're either delusional but i think that really what this is about is a grift i think this would be a money making scheme to put money into the people's party coffers who does not have a lot of money uh comparatively speaking for a national political party hence the reason why they can't really field any candidates because if you don't have money to support a congressional campaign then what the fuck are you supposed to do you're going to lose right you're already disadvantaged if you're not running in one of the two major parties hence the need for electoral reform which is not on their platform last time i checked but i mean if you're going to really be serious about uh building a political movement in a political party more specifically why don't you start at the local level right if i'm if i'm starting a new a new party and i want it to be an actual competitor in the us political space we don't start at the fucking presidential level you start locally this is what the green party did the green party they start locally they field candidates at the local level the state level and they run a uh presidential candidate but that's usually because in a lot of areas you can't actually get on the ballot unless you have somebody at the top of the ticket but the green party is constantly fielding local candidates and they win a lot of local elections but they're just straight up starting with the fucking presidential election holy shit he could fight for the end to homelessness expanded social security and end to job killing trade deals free public college a jobs guarantee abolishing uh abolishing mass incarceration free speech or nationalization for every social media platform public funding of elections and a multi-party system with brain choice voting and proportional representation you know this is what you have to start with first though that's the thing if you want a multi-party system and i've had conversations with jimmy door about this uh in person i've explained how look i want a third party i want a fourth party i want multiple parties but you literally have to push for uh proportional representation first you can't just run as an outsider and then institute proportional representation it takes a lot of time to build up support for this and do you want to know a candidate that actually was in favor of proportional representation nina turner he's shit on nina turner somebody who literally is in favor of electoral reform so that way an independent or third party presidential candidate could be possible jimmy door shit on her he was relentless i never thought i would believe in someone again like i had believed in bernie until i got to know jimmy and that's why jimmy door should run for president because so many thousands of us who thought we would never believe in anyone again believe in him everywhere jimmy goes people tell him that he keeps them sane i mean who are these people because he's completely insane himself conspiracy mongering anti vax dumb fuckery more generally speaking laughing at his own jokes so if that keeps you sane i don't know if you were ever attached to reality in the first place uh everywhere they bring him thoughtful personal gifts as a token of their appreciation there's only one other person i've ever seen inspired that kind of support and hope they call us nihilists and say we believe in nothing but they're wrong we believe in jimmy's integrity we believe in his outrage and we believe that with him and stef we can change this country but what is the actual platform like you named some things but who the fuck exactly are you supposed to appeal to because jimmy doors whole audience is like far right megachats now so he's gonna run for president in 2024 against trump who his audience supports against the santas who his audience supports how's that gonna work so in a national election in uh biden versus trump versus door race i think jimmy door could honestly pull in probably 0.6 to 0.7 of the national vote which is huge right assuming he's able to get in the ballot on all 50 states if not perhaps less but 0.7 percent that's what we're looking at folks i mean if kanye west couldn't break 1 percent if you think that jimmy door can break 1 percent you're just delusional you're fucking delusional uh you actually think 0.7 percent national vote is his ceiling are you fucking insane not even close to 0 0.1 percent you think i'm 100 wrong let's you should hop on and we'll we should debate this the hill i don't talk like a politician i don't talk like a politician i don't talk like a politician i build success with chicken business you think i'm way too optimistic about jimmy door with his ceiling so i said this ultimate ceiling and this is like being very very charitable max 0.7 nationally that's almost not a percent but 0.7 and i'll make my case so that's not his fan base his fan base would be like 0.001 percent of the entire population but just if he can get on the ballot repeat that what was the number 0.01 uh zero so his just if i could like quantify his fan base i'd say it's million subscribers tucker carlson viewers joe rogan viewers his probably fan base is like 0.001 percent of the us voting population i mean if we like if we just take the numbers like there's what 350 i mean the what what is the voting population right now i need to look it up so the eligible so are we going to go with the eligible to vote are we going to go with the people who actually submitted ballots i would go with um i would go with eligible to vote um the and you base that off of to my understanding of this so doing it correctly whoever voted in the last two elections so just from the wikipedia one that first thing that comes up for the 2020 presidential it's just 240 million people eligible to vote okay and so he has 1 million subscribers so assuming that all of them vote which probably not all of them vote it might be a little bit charitable to say that his his audience represents 0.001 i'm not sure uh but here's overall like assuming everyone has in his audience votes for him i think that he could max out at 0.7 of the population if there isn't a you know an exciting green candidate option if the libertarian is another gary johnson and i'm adding some caveats so you can say that i'm kind of like finessing my my uh my number a little bit and fluffing it up but i think that 0.7 percent is definitely a possibility but it's unlikely realistically i think that you would probably be more correct word be like 0.12 but let's hear i want to hear your case though okay so you're saying out of the potential people to vote you would get actually his ceiling is 0.7 so seven tenths of a percentage point right um what did kanye west get in the last election that i don't know that's a good comparison though right so we have a control figure here i mean yes jimmy is george is not going to get as much as kanye right i mean there's no way i mean he's the most popular comedian in the history of presidential campaigns the hillsa i don't know what that's gonna oh so wait it's saying here did howie hawkins only get 0.3 percent do you think that's accurate that sounds accurate yeah and then joe jorgensen only got 1.2 percent okay i mean come on now let's see this is what i'm talking about bro if the libertarian candidate joe jorgensen these are like them when you think of third parties in the united states libertarian and green the libertarian party always does way better than a green party and they got 1.2 percent dude so you're telling me that his ceiling is like what i mean freaking more than half of that so youtube who just laughs at himself and just drinks himself into like a stupor every night it just says crazy shit the million subscribers on youtube is gonna get has a ceiling of 0.7 percent are you serious right now dude okay so are you serious other things to consider other things to consider okay so he makes this announcement techa carlson brings him on the program joe rogan brings him on the program then you have a bunch of other different fan bases potentially voting for him another another difference though is if you look at the 2016 numbers it was higher for the libertarian and the green party i think joe stein hit almost 1 percent and johnson was like two or three percent so this kind of election would probably reflect that election more because last election trump was in power so it was kind of a get him out anti trump vote whereas this one is more of a return to okay the democrats have failed i'm enthusiastic um so keeping that in mind it's possible now again i want to stress that i don't think my prediction is not that he would get 0.7 percent it's that that's like the ceiling best case scenario with the stars aligned with you know um magical spells and use um everything but more likely he's gonna land a lot closer to what you're saying most likely i'm willing to ceiling is a tenth of a percentage point that's a ceiling but even that i think is going to be really hard to get because even though you're talking about i don't it doesn't i just don't really think it matters um if he goes on joe rogan's podcast or whoever i just don't think he's going to get many voters i just don't i mean on joe rogan's podcast it's either going to be people who are just democrats or for the most parts obviously going to be exceptions but for the most part it'll be people who are either you know they're liberal or whatever or or they're just straight up trump voters i mean tons of joe rogan's fan just trump voters they're not going to vote for jimmy door there's just no way um but any of those platforms that he could get access to i mean there's no way that those are like bigger than um you know like the green party i mean like come on like yeah the greens got 1.07 percent and then the libertarians got 3.28 so it probably will be more similar to those numbers than the 2020 2020 numbers i agree with you on that um but i just don't see like all the green party but the green party has 44 states ballot access this is another huge point that i have to bring up is that he's not like he's running he's not not only is he not running as a democrat or republican he's not even running in an established uh third party established third parties are libertarian and green green has 44 in dc for ballot access the return is 50 in dc so how much ballot access does this shitty ass movement for people's party have for president of the united states it seems this is what i'm thinking because they said that they have ballot access lawyers so every single election cycle the green party has to spend so much money on lawyers for the ballot every single time like it's not like you get on the ballot and then you've made it you're done every election this is a constant battle so what's probably gonna have to happen is he'd get on the ballot in maybe two states if he's lucky and then it'll just have to be a write-in campaign right like that's the only way that you could feasibly do this because the goal itself like we i think that it's it's evident that the goal isn't to make jimmy president even though that's what they're saying the goal is to get money to the green party um not the green party or the movement for a people's party yeah sorry they're obviously don't give a crap about jimmy being president they just want to bolster the people's party that's what they want yeah it's it's so transparent and i feel bad because i still see like i know people um like who do volunteer work for the people's party who don't really understand uh the dynamics of what that is whereas it's just like a fucking grift i like i honestly don't even know what the purpose of it is because they haven't ran a single candidate um but they haven't nowhere i didn't even know that not a single candidate and like we're not even talking like fucking congressional candidates like you would start at the local level that's easy if you want to actually run and win like a city council race you can do that with like 10 grand honestly if you organize right um but they haven't even done that so jimmy would technically assuming they don't run anyone else be their first candidate which is kind of bizarre just goes to show again just how unserious they are um you don't start out your first run as a presidential campaign yeah completely that's legitimately i mean i don't even know what word to call that i mean that is just that is just it's just completely delusional to think you're not even starting out with like a house race like a federal house race you're jumping straight straight to the top baby dude the green party has never ever in his history ever had a federal uh representative of any kind right never outster senate no think about that think about what i just told you the green party right ralph nadir all be like pretty well known and they haven't got a single one and jimmy george is going to jump in the race for president of the united state are you serious and that's their first run that alone should disqualify their entire organization to me that's that shows you're not even in good faith like you're just bad faith entirely because like if you really wanted to do it yeah you would start out with council race or i mean shoot if you started out with like house races which that that wouldn't like that wouldn't work but at least it's like at least it gives you like plausibility of like oh we we're trying we're running in house races yeah we're running for president of united states but i think it's just like they see this is the tough part about getting elected in the united states right or just i guess anywhere it's like if you run in a federal race your votes are going to be completely drowned out you're going to get destroyed right because it's like it's a statewide race not a federal election but uh you know like a presidential election this case um there's just too many votes you're just going to get swamped but it's like if you go into a district how many how many jimmy door voters live in jimmy doors district probably like two ten hundred max so it's like you you can't get marginalized in your district because there's too few people but you don't have enough fans you can boost your raw number of votes in like a country wide election or even a statewide election but you're still going to get like just completely smashed