 Good afternoon. We have Ellen Goodwin here. She's given a TED talk, which is awesome. So this should be really good. Ellen Goodwin is a productivity expert and trainer who inspires digital entrepreneurs to cut the turbocharger results and become the action hero of their business and life. As a former graphic designer, she's well acquainted with the perils we all face when trying to get things done when we'd rather be doing something else. Please welcome Ellen Goodwin. What is the difference between a superhero and an action hero? Superheroes are tight, they've got caves and they have masks. They fight interesting people. They have superpowers. They have a little conference dedicated to them over the convention center in July. Action heroes, on the other hand, are just mere mortals who have learned to leverage the forces of action, energy, and focus to overcome obstacles, to vanquish their goals, and to achieve their goals. None of us can be superheroes. But every single one of us can be an action hero of our own life. And that's what we're going to go through in the next 40 minutes. So who am I to tell you how to be an action hero? I'm Ellen Goodwin. I'm a productivity expert. I'm a trainer and a full-time action hero. I was a graphic designer for 20 years and that's pretty much why I'm an action hero because that put me there and I'll explain that in a minute. I'm the founder of the shift, accountability master line, co-hosts of the Faster, Easier, Better podcast, and oddly enough, the co-founder of the dive bar for the month for here in San Diego. So I was a graphic designer for 20 years and about seven years before the end, I fell into the pit of procrastination. And whether it was just because I was bored or my clients didn't inspire me, I started missing deadlines. I started not doing what I was supposed to do. And any of you that have clients, you know how much clients love it when you miss deadlines, right? They don't. They hate it. So clients weren't happy. I procrastinated more. I lost clients. I almost lost the business, which is when I did a nice talk with myself saying, what the hell are you doing? And that's when I did a deep dive into procrastination, where it comes from, how we can get rid of it, and it all comes from our brain. And I'll go into that in a little more, just a little while, but it all comes from our brain. So through deep education, training, research, I put together tools and systems that I started to use that brought me back from the brain. My clients, my friends, my family's stalkers going on, they asked me to help them. That's when I became an action hero. So today we're going to learn how you guys can be action heroes. Again, it's that trifecta. Action, energy, and focus. Those are the three things that are going to make you an action hero. So action. Action is the number one thing that we need to do. I'd like someone to yell out and feel free, who is your favorite motion hero? That's perfect. There's no such thing as a motion hero. There's action heroes. People get confused between motion and action. And it's not just people, it's your brain. Your brain cannot tell the difference between motion and action. It sees motion as you having done something. Whoa, look at me, I did something. Motion is a little hamster on the wheel, going around and around and around. Action is moving forward. Like a football game. Motion, a rocking chair. There's a lot of motion going on, but you're not getting anywhere. You have to know the difference between motion and action and move yourself past that. Now, motion is super important. For any of the, is there any web developers in here? Would you start a website without doing some planning, thinking about the architecture, where you want to go? This guy says yes. Just go for it. Oh, just go for it. A blogger, I don't know if there's any bloggers, writers in here. Would you just start? No. You have some planning. Planning is motion. And planning is essential. You have to plan. But here's the thing. It's stuck in that motion, in that planning and never move forward. Let's say I wanted to start working out. I'm going to get in shape. So I go online and I find all these exercises. I find an eating plan. All this stuff. Wow, look at what I did. I didn't do squats. I need to do squats, but I didn't do squats. All I did was plan. I was in motion. Getting on the floor, doing some push-ups, doing something to work those muscles. Do you see the difference between motion and action? We need motion. You do need motion. You need motion of writing a to-do list in the morning, or writing it the night before, which is actually better. You need to do that. You need to plan the website. You need to plan stuff, but you also have to move from motion into action. And the best way to do that is by applying in the sand. And that means you schedule when the motion stops. You have to stop the motion. So, let's say I have a project. Whoa, that's a move. Here's your line in the sand. You have a project that has to be done on Friday. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to plan noon on Monday. All motion stops. Everything else is going to be action. You've got something that has to be done at the end of the day. Give yourself half an hour of motion or an hour if you need that. You don't give your first cup of coffee until the motion stops. Figure out a line in the sand when you go from motion into action. Okay? Now, all action heroes have enemies. What do you think is the enemy of action? Procrastination. Exactly. Procrastination is the definite enemy of action. So, here's our quick... So, quick little biology lesson. Procrastination begins and ends in the brain. Your limbic system, which is right at the top of your spinal column, is your midbrain. You've got some really fun things there. You've got your emotional center there. You've got your reward center. All of those work together to keep you from getting your stuff done. That's the part of your brain that wants the new, shiny things that is all excited when you get a new notification on your phone or something comes up on your computer that there's an email, all of which you should turn off when you go back to the office on Monday. That's the part of the brain fighting your limbic system is your prefrontal cortex. That's at the front of your brain and that's the most recent part of your brain to be developed. The limbic system is millions of years old. It's the old part of your brain. So, limbic system fighting the prefrontal cortex. So, everything we're going to go through is how we're going to overcome the limbic system or we work with it. So, we have four types of procrastination that we all deal with. Four types of procrastination that we deal with. We've got low value, low priority. We've got fear-based procrastination, fear of success, fear of failure. We've got distractions, what I like to call shiny squirrels. And we've got procrastination when things are way too far down the road. So, let's look at each one of those. So, the first, low value, low priority procrastination. This is something it's not super exciting but it's got to be done and we don't want to do it. Cleaning, organizing, that all falls under it. I'm sure you guys can think of it. Y'all, something else that you think is low priority that you're not getting is taxes. Taxes are a great example. If we have time at the end, I'll tell you how I did them this year because they are low priority. So, when you've got low priority, low value, what's going on is your limbic system has just named those things. It's just said, taxes are boring. Cleaning is yucky. It's emotional. So, what you have to do is remove the emotion. Those tasks aren't icky. They're not yucky. They're not boring. They just are a thing. You've labeled it. So, the limbic system gets to say no. So, the best thing to do is to externalize whatever it is you need to do and set a timer. You just set a timer for what you're going to work on for how long you're going to work. I talked to somebody yesterday and he's like, well, I want to start. I'm like, well, set a timer for the start then. Set a timer to tell you how long you're going to do that. You just set like 30 minutes. I'm going to work on my taxes for 30 minutes. That's it. Your limbic system can't argue with that. It's just an externalized thing. Even better is if you set the timer for a shorter amount of time than you think it's going to take. Because that way, with an artificial deadline, you don't fall into Parkinson's law. Parkinson's law says that a task expands to fill the time available for it. So, if you give yourself an hour, you're going to take an hour, even if it only takes 15 minutes. So, set that timer for a little bit shorter, externalize it, get it outside of you. Do that low value, low priority procrastination. Okay. The second type, fear-based. Fear-based procrastination. We all fall victim to this. Fear of success, which surprises people. Fear of failure. Fear of getting out of your comfort zone. Fear of not knowing what comes next. I listened to Roy in here yesterday talking about Gutenberg and how people are like, I don't want to do that. So, fear-based procrastination. I'm sure you can all think of something you put off because you're afraid of it. So, when we run into fear-based procrastination, what we need to do is pretend to be a baby. So, we all know of babies. Washington starts to learn to walk, right? They're kind of toddling or toddling around. They fall down. They get up. They fall down. They get up. They look like they just came out the bar at 2 o'clock. They're just everywhere. But never in the history of the whole world has one of those little babies fallen down and say, yeah, I'm good. I am good. I am not getting up. I'm fine. You just leave me here. I'm just fine. Now that baby got up and they kept going. They kept trying. You know what they were taking? Baby steps. Where do you think the name comes from? Baby steps. They were taking that. That's what we do with fear-based procrastination. We need to break down whatever it is you're afraid of. Whatever that task is. Break it down into small, little bits. Baby steps and succeed on each step. Your brain sees this big project. It sees taxes. Oh my God. What a pain in my ass. It's going to take forever. But if you break it down to small, little bits, it's much, much easier. This year with my taxes, I scheduled 10 days out and I gave myself 15 minutes a day. That was it. 15 minutes. The first day, all I did was print out the tax plan. I succeeded. My brain was happy. I was happy. The next day I did the next thing so when you have fear-based procrastination whoa you're all distracted by that. Whoa. When you have fear-based procrastination act like a baby. Don't fall down. Just keep taking those baby steps. So the third type of procrastination is distractions. Distractions, shiny swirls. We have distractions everywhere. Everywhere. On our phones, our tablets, our computers, our coworkers, our friends, our family, everything. The brain likes to get distracted. The brain loves to get distracted. It loves these new, bright, shiny things. So while I could tell you, oh, here you put this block around your phone and really you should have your phone in the other room and turn it off your computer, the best way that you can overcome distraction when it's procrastination because of distractions is become accountable. You become accountable. Now today is Sunday. Let's all pretend that on Tuesday morning at 8 o'clock you're getting on an airplane and flying to mid-Africa. Random place, but you're going there. Between now or four o'clock when this talks over between 10 and 8 in the morning on Tuesday you've got a lot to get done. You've got to pack. You've got to talk to the dog sitter. You've got to make sure all the work is taken care of. There's a lot of things. There's no time for you to sit down and watch 27 episodes on Netflix. Right? That plane is holding you accountable to getting your stuff done. And that's what you need in real life. Not an airplane, but you need someone or something who holds you accountable. An accountability partner. An accountability buddy. An accountability mastermind. Somebody that knows what you're supposed to be doing so you get your stuff done. Okay? Who can be your accountability partner? You can have a friend. You can have a neighbor. You can have a coworker. You cannot have a spouse or a family member. You can do that. You can join a mastermind group. You can have a friend that you just text and you go, hey, I'm going to do this and I'm going to text you in an hour and it will be done. Find a way to hold yourself accountable. That way you don't fall into that pit of procrastination where you're like, oh yeah, I'm on Netflix. Now, you can take this even further if you want. And you can do what I like to call this. This works great on projects that are going to take a while. It might be 10 days, 2 weeks, a month. It's easy to procrastinate on those. So what you're going to do is, again, you have your tasks. You know when it's supposed to be done so you've got your deadline, your task. You pick someone that's going to be your accountability partner. In my case, I always pick my neighbor. Next, I pick an amount of money I'm willing to give up if I don't get my project done. It has to be something starting at easily 100 bucks. It's got to be like 10 bucks. It's got to be 100 or more. Now here's the part that's important. You're going to pick an organization, a charity, a political party, a religious group that you don't believe in. Yes. You don't get your stuff done. That accountability partner takes your money and gives it to the group that you have decided that you don't like and they are holding you accountable. I worked with an author earlier this year who had three chapters left on her book. So she put 500 bucks up against herself getting it done. If she didn't finish, that money was going to the NRA. Another woman right now who's working on a book, she's got $1,500 up against her finishing. If she doesn't finish, it goes to the KKK. She's going to get that book done. She is going to get that book done. So this is very extreme accountability, but sometimes we need that. So put your money where your mouth is. Finally we have things that are too far down the road. Too far down the road. I want to lose 20 pounds. I want to go back to school. I want to write a book. All big things. But what happens is we can't see ourselves down the road. We all fall victim to what is known as hyperbolic discounting. And it's a cognitive bias that says basically the farther we are away from the present day, the harder it is for us to understand ourselves or to do good things for ourselves. This is why when you're on a diet and someone brings donuts and you're like I'm going to have a donut, I'm going to have a donut tomorrow, it never works. We can't see ourselves. That's why if I offered you a dollar today or two dollars next Sunday, you take the dollar today. You can't see yourself down the road. So we procrastinate. Okay, so when we've got this hyperbolic discounting we're dealing with, the best thing we can do is keep it in our present day. Because remember, we can't see ourselves in the present. So the best way to do that is to chart it down in some way. Maybe taking a calendar and putting a check mark every time you do what you're supposed to do. Maybe it's grabbing an app that allows you to keep track of things. There's thousands of those out there. You want to mark it down. Just figure out what works best for you. Don't make it difficult. Just make it so you see yourself every day. Maybe it's a chart on your fridge that you get a check mark when you eat well. Friends of mine had a big, big project that they needed to keep in the present day. And that was that they had huge credit card debt. Now, credit card debt is really hard to keep in the present buys, present day. Because what, you pull out the bill, you pull out the bill once a month, three times a month and you've got three credit cards. So what they did is they made a chart. And the chart started with a really big number up here. A really big number. And a zero at the end. And they plotted out how much money they were going to pay each month and how much they would go down and go down and go down. So they had an idea of how long it was going to take. Then they took this chart and they put it on the living room wall. So they got to see it every single day. So they were friends if they happened to stop buying. But for the first three months, they just beautifully paid the amount of money, they paid it down. But they started seeing this, this is on the wall every day. So they started thinking about it. So they started not going out for coffee as much. Saving money on lunches. Saving money so that they could pay it down faster. And they did. Because they saw it every day. They finished up six months ahead of schedule. And they turned around and made a new chart. And that chart started with zero. And ended with a really big number. And they stayed to buy a house. They made it happen because it was right in front of them. They kept it in their present day bias. So that's what you need to do when things are too far down the road. So action. Remember, you have to move from motion into action. Know what type of procrastination you're dealing with. And it's concrete in its special ways. Okay. Energy. Action heroes need energy. And there's two types of energy that we're going to look at. We're going to look at physical energy and mental energy. Because they're both very, very important. So the first type. Personal energy. Biological prime time. That's what Chris Bailey is another productivity expert. That's what he calls it. It's your chronobiology. How many of you in here are mourning people large as it were? How many of you here are night elves? I'm not surprised. How many are in between? Because you know, people are in between. Yeah. Well, congratulations. No one is better than anyone else. It's just what your energy level is. Now I know a study came out this week saying that night elves can die earlier. Don't listen to them. So we all have different energy levels. And the important thing is not whether you're a lark or a night owl. It's how you leverage that energy. Now I get up at five in the morning and that's when I write and I read and everything I do is so easy because that's when I've got my creative energy. For years I would go to the gym first thing in the morning and then I realized wow, I'm wasting all this good creative time. I can go to the gym later. I don't need to be creative at the gym. But now I know how to take that morning time to get my work done. And it's, like I said, it's like butter. Cutting through butter because I have that creative energy. This is my best time. I can do meetings. I can do emails. I can do all that stuff later in the day when I am not so full of creative energy. So it's important for all of us to know when our best energy is and the easiest way to do that is to start charting it down. Super easy way to do this. Take a phone. Take a phone. Set up timers every hour for the time that you're awake. Don't do it at night or they'll screw everything up. But set a timer for every 60 minutes for three days. When that alarm goes off, chart your energy level. Just you can put it on a no-card. You can put it in your phone. Just put it somewhere. It can be as simple as you know, go from 10 to 1. 10. Oh my god. I'm on complete fire. 1. I'm napping. Don't bother me. Do this for three days. You'll get a good idea of where your energy rolls. So are you super energetic then? Get your work done. Do the most valuable work then. When you've got lower energy, do the things that don't need as much energy that aren't so important. So you want to leverage your personal energy. Use think of it. How you can make your work feel like you're cutting through butter. So the other part of our energy is our willpower for self-control. It's our mental energy. And it's essential that we conserve it in order to get stuff done. To be the best we can be. So willpower studies have told us lots of studies. I'm sure you've heard of studies where we only have a certain amount of willpower self-control at any given time. So we need to conserve it like I said. Anytime we have to make decisions we start to use up that willpower. Every decision means another little bit of willpower gets used up. We run into decision fatigue. I'm sure all of you have sat through a meeting in the morning where you're biting your tongue trying not to talk to people that are saying things you don't agree with. You're trying to reserve your judgment and when you get out of that meeting it's a lunchtime and you know you're going to eat really healthy but boy you've got no self-control now. I'm just going to have a hamburger and fries. I'm so frustrated. That is decision fatigue. So we want to guard against decision fatigue. We want to guard against our self-control or willpower being depleted. The best way to do that is with habits. Now I know some people are like, oh habits but you know what? Habits are just systems. They are just systems for all of us. There is a system that we use to conserve willpower. We use systems in our work, right? You start a website, you've got a system that you do. You start a blog post you've got a system that you do. Habits are just systems that we use. So, how do you do better habits? Super easy. Two super easy ways to build better habits. First, we're going to do habit stacking. Habit stacking is basically just anchoring a new habit on an old habit. So let's say I wanted to start taking more vitamins. I could anchor that habit onto my morning habit of brushing my teeth. Super easy. I have a client that just because it is tax time realized that she should have a better system of tracking expenses because it's been a really bad month and she's been trying to get all those together. So, we're having her track expenses at the end of the day when she does her regular shutdown. She has a shutdown system put it on top of there. Just take five minutes, track expenses. So you take a habit that you already have. Yeah, that is your anchor. Take whatever new habit you want and put it on top of that. It's going to be a lot easier than trying to remember things. So you use what you have already, anchor it, put a new one on top. The next one is micro habits. Micro habits are when you take something that you want to add into your life and then you reduce all of the friction. You get it to the point that there's no resistance, there's no friction. Going back to the whole idea of, hey, I'm going to get back in shape. Maybe I say, hey, I'm going to do 20 push ups every day. I got some resistance to that. Definitely, I can't lie, I got some resistance. So, with a micro habit I'm going to make it smaller and smaller. Going to get the part where there's no resistance whatsoever and that could be something as small as one push up. I'm going to do one push up a day. The definition of a micro habit is that it is so small that you would be embarrassed to tell your friends what you're doing. So if someone came up to me and said, hey, I heard you get in shape, I'm doing one push up a day. Hey, me. So small. But that's a micro habit with a woman with expenses. She could be tracking one expense a day. That's it. But micro habits have a little bit of magic to them. And that is that they expand. After you get used to doing one push up for a while, hey, you're down there already, why not two? Then three, then five, and eventually you're at the 20. You don't have any resistance that you have to deal with. So you make your micro habit super small so that eventually it expands and you get to where you want to be. You just remove all of the resistance to it. So build habits to keep your willpower and your self-control. Know your personal levels of energy and leverage your day with those as best you can because I know some people work for other people, but use it as much as you can leverage it. All right, now we're on some focus. Whoa, we're not. Now we are. Focus. Focus. Well, if action heroes could have a superpower, focus would be that superpower. Because when you focus really deeply focus, you can actually expand your time. You're not being distracted. You're laser focused on what you need to do. And I'm going to show you some techniques for focusing. But just know that you don't need to focus for eight hours a day no matter what anyone said because your poor brain would explode. If you can put in a good half an hour focus session once a day, then expand it out over weeks to the point where you get two hours. Seriously, two hours of really good deep focus is going to change your life. Focus is amazing. So, who knows what the enemy of focus is? Distraction. Distractions. We can get more specific. Multitasking. Yes. Multitasking. Context shifting. Multitasking is definitely the villain when it comes to focus. So, we have to overcome multitasking. And yes, we can go back to the distractions find a way to block them out. But what we want to know and what we want to do when we're focusing is we want to keep our brain in one room. So just keep your brain in one room. So, imagine your whole brain is a house. Alright? Now, I'm sure this has happened to at least one of you because otherwise it would be really embarrassing because it's happening to me. You're on your phone, whether you've got your phone up here, you've got your earbuds in, and you start reading an email when you're scrolling through your phone. At the same time, you're supposed to be talking to someone. And after a little while, you're not sure what they said or what you read. Does this happen to anybody? It's not just me. Come on, show of hands. Okay. Alright. So, if your brain was a house, this is what was going on. Every time you were reading, you were in the living room, which is the part of your brain where you can read. And every time you were talking or listening, you were over in the bedroom. Okay, that's the part of the brain where you can listen. Now, you can't do both things in one room. If you want to read or listen, you have to be in the proper room. So, I'm reading, I want to talk, I have to go physically into the bedroom. And if I want to listen, I sit there, and if I want to talk again, I mean, read again, I go into the living room. I can read in the living room, I can talk in the bedroom, I can't do both in the same room. This is exactly what happens when you focus. You have to pick one room to keep your brain in. Because each time you go back and forth, you're using up a little energy. You're using up a little time. It doesn't help for your energy. You're losing self-control. You're not focusing. So, you want to keep yourself in one room. Alright, that's how we focus. So, the best way to focus is with timing. Find a way to time yourself. And really, this is like my favorite timer, right there. So, time yourself. You can use a kitchen timer. You can use the timer on your stove. Use the timer on your phone. It doesn't matter. But what you have to do is you're going to do it with a sting. And that's not the stinger. It's an acronym that you use for whatever timing mechanism you do. If you do Pomodoro's, if you do one of the ones I showed you a little bit. As long as you're setting a timer, do this. You're going to do a sting, which means select one thing to do. You're going to keep your brain in one room. Time yourself. Set a timer, whether it's 25 minutes for the 5 minute break, 40 minutes for the 5 minute break, 10 minutes. Set a timer. Ignore everything. Everything gets ignored except for what you're working on. No breaks. No breaks until that timer goes off. Then give yourself a reward. Whether it's a little bit of food, a little dance party, whatever. If you need to jump back and do it again, then do it. So I mentioned that you've got Pomodoro, which a lot of people know, which is just 25 minutes on, 5 off. It's named after a timer that looks like a tomato. You could just call it a timing method. Pomodoro just sounds more fun. Another one, which is my favorite, is the 10 plus 2 times 5, which is not a math equation. It's a timing device for focus. You work for 10 minutes. Take a 2 minute break. You do this 5 times in an hour. You've knocked out 15 minutes of good focus with a 10 minute break. This works great for things that you want to just do in short bursts. I'll do like a blog post. So I'll just spend the first 10 minutes knocking out ideas. The next 10 minutes, I might write down three sentences for each one. The next one, I might bring it out even more. You don't have to do cereal like that. You could just be doing. I'm doing 10 minutes. Take a break. 10 minutes. Take a break. It works really well if you have a list of what you want to accomplish. So that way, if you get halfway through one of your 10 minutes, you don't waste 5 minutes figuring out what you're going to do. I use a seconds pro for a timing or an integral timer. Both of them freebies. That way I can just set up the timing 10 minutes, 2 minutes, set it up for 5 times. That way I never touch my phone because the bells go off and it tells me when things are. Because if I touch the phone and have to set up the timer, too tempting. Too tempting. So you want to make sure you just jump in and you go. Batching. Batching is another way that we can keep our brain in one room. So batching means that you set your timer and you do like-minded things. So maybe I'm setting a timer for 30 minutes and all I'm doing is reading. But I might read some blog posts. I might read some emails. I might do research. I'm keeping my brain in the reading room. I might do financials. I'm doing invoices. I'm right inside the bills. All I'm doing is financial stuff but I'm keeping my brain in one room. John Lee Dumas who does the Entrepreneur on Fire podcast. He puts out a new podcast every day and he does extreme batching. On the first Monday and Tuesday all he schedules is interviews. 15 interviews Monday, 15 interviews Tuesday. That's all he does. He stays in the same brain room. Gets it all done. He's got 28 days to do other things. That's pretty extreme. Okay. That is focus. Focus is keeping our brain in the same room. He expands time. It makes us an action hero. When we put these three things together action, energy, focus, we become the action heroes of our own life. But here's something that I didn't tell you. When we talk about overcoming obstacles and achieving our goals, it sounds like wow, I'm an action hero. I'm going to have to work really hard. I'm going to be better. I'm going to get a lot more done. Nobody wants to get a lot more done. Nobody wants to oh yeah, I'm going to get more done in my day. What we all want and what you get when you're an action hero is that you are able to get your have-to's done more efficiently and effectively so you can get to your want-to's more easily. Who doesn't want to spend some time with their family? Spend some time with their friends? Spend some time not working. That's what you get to do when you're an action hero. You get your things done more efficiently, more effectively, you're a happier person and who doesn't want to be able to tell you to tell friends that you're an action hero? Thank you and I'm happy to take any questions. Yeah, as you're going through your year, do you ever take time to stop and evaluate some of the habits that you've created? And if so, what are some of the things that you're looking at when you're evaluating those habits? Well, I do check out my habits. Well, I look to see if they're serving me because it's really easy to fall into like, oh yeah, this is what I do, but I need to look at it and know, what am I getting out of it? How is it helping me? Is there another way that would be better? And what I would try if that's the case, I would go, you know what, let me try for two weeks let me try this, because nothing's written in stone. You can always change things. Yes? Someone as your accountability partner. That were accountability partner. So you said, like, you have your neighbor. My neighbor does like, for my long ones, I actually have an accountability partner that we've been partners for seven years and we've never met in real life. He lives in New York. We talk every morning, we met in a coaching program. There was a message board, basically, where people were looking for accountability partners, and that's how we got together. So, you know, finding someone that's not going to make you feel bad, that's why I always say family is just a really bad choice. Is that your husband next to you? Because he had a question in the last question. So you don't want family. You don't want family. You want someone who's going to be firm enough to say, hey, you know, why didn't you get that done? And maybe what can you do to do it better? Sometimes just when you have a short thing to do, it's really easy to just hit a friend up and go, hey, text them. I need this done. I need to do this. And so check in on me in an hour. And I have to tell you whether I got it done or not. So, you know, friends, co-workers, co-workers are good because they're not as close. Unless you're really friendly with your co-workers. So, there's all sorts of people. That might be an accountability mastermind because you tend to find people that are more or less at the same level. And usually if you find like a paid one because people have money in the game and they're usually, you know, on the same level, you can look around. You can just, you know, Google masterminds and you can find one that's going to be you can get super specific or develop your own mastermind. Or develop your own mastermind. But you can, you know, you can find it. There's a WordPress accountability group, you know, our mastermind. Absolutely, absolutely. What else can I answer for people? Yes. Seconds Pro. Seconds Pro. Or intervals. And the great thing with those is you can set them up as boxing rounds which is kind of fun. So, when it starts, you get a ding ding ding like a round starting and then when it ends, you got more bells. So, you know, it's entertaining. What else can I answer? Yes. How often are you talking, to meet over to that account? Every weekday. At 8.30. Once a day, we talk. We talk about, yeah, for like 15 minutes, talk about what we're going to do, what we did, what we didn't get done, what we're kind of hoping to do. You sometimes just bounce ideas off of each other. So, yeah, 15 minutes. Just like that. Sort of like a big business. In the morning they have their meeting and they say what they're all going to do, so there's sort of accountability for each other. Absolutely. Absolutely. What? Not too much. You know, I enjoy it. The nice thing is I can use all of it for my own business now. So, I'm not a super surprised no one's asked about the dive bar thing. Oh. Star bar. Star bar. I still wanted to ask about it. I'm here in San Diego. I live in San Diego. Fantastic. You can find us on a meet up. Our next meeting is next Saturday at noon at the turf float. So, normally it's the fourth Wednesday of the month and we go to different dive bars. I've done it for eight years. If you get a chance, I did a TEDx talk about how dive bars can change your life. Other people talk about hey, we're bringing water to the Sahara and I'm like, we're going to dive bars. So, any other questions? Yes. Into those firsts? That can work perfectly. I like to do it when I'm writing and not necessarily do the outlining. But I like it because I know that 10 minutes isn't very long. So, especially if I'm feeling like, whoa, I've got short attention span. 10 minutes I can easily walk through sometimes 25 minutes sounds like, oh, I don't want to sit here that long. So, I do 10 minutes and I get up and walk around, sit back down and do 10 minutes. It's my favorite way to do stuff. Yes, it's a great way for them because ADHD, ADD, yeah, super fast. Children too? Children love it, especially when you work with bells. You have to make it fun. You have to make it fun. But 10 minutes is wonderful for kids. Again, you're just working with that limbic system. You're telling me an limbic system, nope. You don't have to work that long. 10 minutes are done. You're out. You can do another 10 minutes, but just that. 10 minutes at a time. Is anyone else? Well, thank you everyone for being here. It's been a pleasure.