 My name is Henry Kiara. I'm a veterinary epidemiologist. I work in the animal and human health program. I guess my involvement with JEDA issues was a late convert, let me say. Initially, I thought it's one of these donor-imposed issues and so what you do is, because you are not convinced from a biological background, so science wasn't really very, I wasn't much aware of it. So what we do is, because we know people ask whether we are doing JEDA stuff, so we just make sure we list the number of women who are participating so that we can say we are doing JEDA work. But in fact, I was alone, one of my colleagues was asked whether they are involved in JEDA. He said, three of our staff are women and so I mean it was widespread for many of us biologists. But what really made me change that attitude was we did our study, we had our student doing our study to understand the factors that influence the adoption of the vaccine against TISCO's fever. We did this in pastoral systems in Iraq and in Wasengishu. The vaccine has many benefits to farmers. It reduces deaths of calves, you spend less money on treatments and control the disease. So you expect farmers will be breaking doors to get a vaccine but to my shock was that when he analyzed the attitudes of the vaccine between men and women, the women were not as keen as the men and the reason was the major effect of the vaccine is to reduce deaths of calves. So for men that's a huge benefit because there are more calves but to the women more calves meant more work. So they were not as enthusiastic. They didn't of course refuse it but they were not as enthusiastic. And obviously the reason why women were not as enthusiastic is because although there was more labor for them, they were not benefitting as much from the benefits of this vaccine. More milk, more animals, all those are controlled by men and they do not necessarily benefit the women as much as even though they have more work for taking care of the calves, cleaning and feeding them and all that goes with taking care of calves. That was my turning point. I realized actually gender is not like some stuff out there but it has huge impact on the kind of work we do, use of veterinary products, the adoption, the impact of this. That's when I go for genes, it's not really donor, it's part and parcel of what we do as biologists. In whatever we do we have to be more deliberate in targeting who the message is going to, who are we targeting with the product that we are developing, the kind of messaging because there is a big difference between genders how they respond to those issues.