 And I will turn it over to Chris Wiseman who is with New England Aqua Ventus and he's going to talk to us about his offshore wind project. Thank you for joining us. All right, well terrific Sarah so thank you for this opportunity really appreciate it and I just want to let you all know I'm a lifetime member and I can actually remember back in 1990 when I first put my first Sierra Club sticker on the back of my car I was very proud to do so. So really glad to be here. Yeah, so I'm going to share with you all a handful of PowerPoint slides I don't want to do death by PowerPoint. And so Sarah I would encourage you to have people lob questions as we're going. Glad to entertain things because a lot of times people have questions on on individual slides so I'm really glad to take any interruption that you guys see fit. So, I just, I want to start with kind of giving everybody perspective on what offshore wind has become. It has become actually really really big business. It's been big business in Europe for now really about 10 years, and this table here on the left is a is a tabulation of the goals of just really six or seven states down the eastern board. And if you look at the bottom of that column in the middle its capacity commitment in terms of megawatts. That is a lot of power so 31,000 megawatts is basically the peak load of all of New York State, it's kind of close to the peak load of all of New England. It is a lot, and it has become really the go to solution for states that are seeking large blocks of renewable energy kind of close to big cities, Boston, New York, right. And this already represents almost $100 billion in capital cost. It is at the early stage of creating thousands of jobs. For some of us. There was really big news yesterday in that the vineyard wind project that's sort of the first project first big project off of Massachusetts actually got approval by the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management yesterday. That was after pretty much being stalled for the last four years. So, um, what main has done really recently as harness to the biggest players that is us. That's part of we are part of the Mitsubishi cooperation and RWE, which is a big German utility that actually has been involved in offshore wind for about 20 years. It's a massive experience in Europe and the thing that that I like to hammer home to everybody. And it doesn't matter which sort of political end of the spectrum you are is that first line up here is that solving climate change has become really an economic opportunity it's it's an imperative, it's actually an opportunity to put people to work. And it's not put people to work just for, you know, a couple of weeks or years, I think this is a generation long switch my perspective. Who we are I know this is a little bit out of order but I wanted to get that under our belts first is really how big this is. And if you look at the boxes here this one down here, I am part of diamond offshore wind diamond offshore wind when you chase up ownership is actually owned by the Mitsubishi Corporation out of out of Tokyo. What I mentioned is big utility out of Germany. Together we have formed what is known as New England Aqua Ventus, and we have partnered with the University of Maine to build on their pretty much decades worth of good work in developing offshore wind in Maine and developing a particular floating foundation that I'll show you that really fits the bill for Maine. I do want to just before we dive into them into the specifics of the foundation I just wanted to show you. Again, it's a little bit more context so that everybody understands this offshore wind is coming to Maine. There's been a lot of activity south of here and if you can see these I know it ends up being pretty small on your screen but you see these multi color to sort of rainbow color. Those are leases off of Massachusetts and Rhode Island that started getting leased back in 2013. And they are sort of known as Massachusetts leases right that would enable Massachusetts to achieve its goals. And I think the advantage for Massachusetts is that New York has come on really strong seeking in the near term 9000 megawatts of offshore wind and it had one stinking lease this little blue area right off of New York City. So what's happened over the last couple of years is New York has awarded multiple projects that actually are going to use that Massachusetts real estate, meaning there's much less for Massachusetts to achieve its goals. So that big black hour arrow over there is to really indicate that Massachusetts, New Hampshire, even Connecticut and such need more real estate, if you will, and they are coming around the corner and looking very closely at the Gulf of Maine you've probably heard about this interstate interstate task force, which is Maine, New Hampshire. And Massachusetts really looking at how to utilize it so the real question up here in the left is to what extent main will harness this industry to create new economic development. You may have heard in the news right the concept of a research array, and the idea of a research array. In addition to the monhegan project I'll differentiate the two in a minute is really to help steer the eventual leasing of the Gulf of Maine. In such a way that it doesn't imperil fisheries now we know fishermen don't want any project anywhere in the Gulf of Maine. I just don't believe that that's reality. They're coming and so the idea of the state is to be in a best position to influence the direction that these go and by influence that could be turbines are spaced very wide apart, it could be that that the mooring lines fit a certain direction. It could be that there's just a big transit zone. I'll just give you a lesson that wasn't that we should learn from that wasn't learned. Again, these multicolored leases off of Massachusetts, they are kind of right smack between major fishing fleets so good old new Bedford, you know, Moby Dick, and their fishing grounds off the George's bank. And so the fisherman cried out and said hey, wait a minute you just erected this big obstacle and we need to go 50 miles out of our way to get around it. There's a little bit more consultation with fishermen could have avoided something that that in hindsight looks as simple as that. Excuse me. And that's what the state is trying to avoid in having numerous workshops of fishermen trying to figure out how is it that offshore wind and fisheries can best coexist. The second really big bullet down here. Is by using a sort of small research array to develop and prove out mains ports and contractors and supply chains it established them as leaders. Some of us in the business kind of look back maybe 15 years ago to Iowa. Iowa was one of the absolute leaders in in seeking renewable energy from wind. And because it was a leader it actually now has the factories it has a supply chain and literally has thousands upon thousands of people working in in in wind and so to a certain extent that's the model that that main is seeking. The first step is the single turbine monhegan project. There's one over there on the right. I know it shows it still shows to our art is a little bit out of date. But the single turbine project is ultimately to prove that the University of Maine technology really can be built in Maine, and that may sound like, well, how do you approve it it's not that complicated. There's some pictures in a minute that show you just how gigantic this device is that makes it clear that you really need to figure out an entire supply chain strategy how you launch these things how you build them on land. Over here on the right are some numbers. Each foundation weighs about 10,000 tons. That diameter of just the yellow portion on the bottom is basically almost a football field. So this is really big. The second project is just going to give you a couple of near near term and actually recent activities now we had a booth bay public public meeting. Last week it was largely taken over by an open Mike night where the fishermen could air their grievances but we spent a lot of time with select men, and, and, and folks sort of explaining how this could work for booth bay in that. Organizations right in booth bay that could really benefit from from offshore wind one is research. One is a local basically boat builder. And so this is exactly what we're trying to foster in Maine is making it an industry that unit utilizes really main talent to to further the industry. So, one of the cool things that you'll see in the next. It's actually, it got pushed off slightly it's going to be next weekend starts is a cable root survey. We have to survey the entire cable if you imagine this single turbine has a cable that's going to run all the way into booth bay to connect to the grid, and we want to bury that cable just as as much as we can to make sure that it doesn't upset fishermen. Let me bring you but a little bit more on that in a minute. We are finalizing a turbine. We are working with the worldwide heavyweights that's Vesta Siemens and GE those are the three manufacturers they're really in offshore wind. We're doing lots of engineering, and we are working with contractors on how to build this and this is a smattering of main based contractors like reading reading cheer in general, and worldwide heavyweights. They're not in the household names necessarily but the likes of my moot that know how to move big things around. We are starting the full need review, even with the misspelling of the word fall here full need review will be conducted by the DOE. And we're building it's kind of interesting because we're stepping in after the University of Maine has done all of the long term studies. Some of those conducted by the Audubon, and then visual impact studies all this sort of archaeological studies all sorts of different stuff so we're able to sort of dive right into the NEPA review. And our rough timeline going forward is to finalize this is cable landing really somewhere here by the really next couple of weeks. We start the public permitting information sessions in the first half of the year and that's, it was a little bit we wanted to start a lot earlier we were hoping that those public sessions could actually be in person. I think we've all now finally given in to zoom. Hopefully we can do things in person by the summer, but this is the seems to be the only forum to do this. I hope to have all permits in hand and ready to go sometime in 2022 start fabrication on land of this foundation in 2022 the turbine would arrive then in spring of 23. And that's when it gets to be really interesting we erect the turbine on this foundation spring summer 2023 and then tow it out to see in 2023 and my analogy is this point out the Penobscot river whole Penobscot Bay it's going to be like the fourth to July parade. I'm familiar with the Thomaston parade so that's my metaphor is I think there will be boats lined up I think a lot of people will come out to see this so it should be a real, a real big spectacle. And sorry only because you said you're we're okay to be interrupted we did have a couple questions. Although it looks like one may have been answered by another participant so one what does NEPA mean. But someone said National Environmental Policy Act, and then somebody else asked by full NEPA review do you mean an EIS or EA. What do you mean by a review. Yeah, so, so it is. Yes, an E what's called an EA Fonzie right so an environmental assessment and a finding of no significant impact is what is sought. And lace lay person speak that means that it's demonstrated not to have a significant impact on any species birds particular focus on endangered species, right that you can build this thing, and we don't expect anything adverse to happen. So that's, that's the goal. Perfect thank you. So this cable route survey there spoke about. So this helps show you the site right so Monhegan is over here in the lower right hand corner the turbine is almost due south of Monhegan. Two and a half miles offshore. And the cable route follows this sort of zigzag. And that's partly because this dotted line is the demarcation between water that is controlled by the state of Maine and water that's controlled by the federal government. And if we were to go straight across this federal government water we have about a separate three year engagement with the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management to get the rights to do that so we are going. Following the state waters route. Go up turn left head over and basically up to East Booth Bay. So we're starting this cable route in March and it is admittedly tough weather in March but we're doing it because there are many fewer lobster traps out this time of year, then there would be in any nicer weather. So really that's why we're doing it capitulation number one and then we've been consulting with fishermen we had a number of different discussions big and small so we worked with Maine Coastal Fisherman's Association to convene local fishermen that are impacted so those are the guys from sort of friendship in Bristol that fish out here. Now, by and large, I will say, none of them want offshore wind, but some of them will say well if you're going to do it, you know, move that cable over here avoid this do that and we got into a really good engagement, and then offline with a couple of people that had just great feedback so you will see almost universally negative comments from fishermen when they operate as a group and when they are quoted in the press, but individuals are actually quite a bit more helpful. So, as a result of this cable route survey, we want to find a place we can bury it and we want to make sure that we can land where we think we want to. We're going to find a little bit of history to on other cables run in Maine so this is sort of zooming in if you can see on the left of this picture it's Rockland Harbor. And you have vinyl Haven or sort of the group of islands vinyl Haven Fox Island off to the right here. And in about 1977 there was a line run this blue dotted line. And it was a cable run to power the island in the first place. And when they ran the cable in those days, they just literally laid it on the sea bottom, and it ran like that for a number of years, until the current year after year started dragging it on some rocks, it started faulting like having problems a lot and need to get fixed a lot. The cable was replaced in 2005, and by then there were much more robust sort of standards in place for how to bury cables and have them last for decades without a problem. So they found this route that is now marked in red that where the cable could be buried the entire length it was buried in 2005 using modern techniques which is jetplow. And jetplow is a device that basically is a stream of nozzles that push high speed water basically high speed and it momentarily sort of creates a trench in the seabed the cable is laid in that. And the, the vast majority of the sediment then just drops right back into that that trench. And, and that's kind of considered state of the art, you can put these down all you know six feet in general is the goal. And if you look at what even the most intrusive fisherman do it is scalloping or scalloping and main waters I'm a little further south I call it scalloping. Scalloping is essentially a rake that goes across the seabed and occasionally when it's not tuned properly can penetrate, you know, a foot or foot and a half down. So this is way beyond that and allows basically anything to happen over the top over the top. The point really is that neither of these were an obstacle for fishermen. And both the old and the new if you can see these dotted outlines around each of these, they show up on the Noah charts as cable areas, and a cable area in state law ends up restricting fishermen, you're not allowed to fish over a cable area. Now, I'll tell you anecdotally it's not enforced at all. Technically speaking, it's to be restricted. The goal in Monhegan is to follow this sort of same idea was we're going to bury it in a similar fashion. It's now state of the art. But the difference is, and this goes back even certainly 1977 even 2005 is using modern GIS technology right the same stuff in your cell phone that allows you to precisely locate within one meter where the cable actually is located. The case then the the folks so Noah that administers the charts, they are the ones that literally publish the charts, don't need to have it show up as a cable area and it doesn't trigger main law that restricts fishing. So that's our goal is to use the little single turbine monhegan project as a way of establishing best practices for for offshore when going forward. And it's an issue because fishermen, if you look at all of this area made up by these cable cable areas. It's more area than the wind farm itself. So they wanted to make sure that there were no no obstacles. And so that's one of the I think good elements of feedback that we've had by by working with fishermen, we now know what they what they needed. Why the research array. I'm proactively offering the why because people do end up asking that okay we're doing this monhegan project we're doing a research array. The monhegan project is to verify, as I mentioned earlier that the university main design works for me that it's economically viable it can be built in Maine and create local jobs. Right, so in it's in the category of proving that concrete floats. The purpose of the research array is actually a lot bigger than that. It's to evaluate how offshore wind projects can work with traditional ocean users at a scale that's reflective of future commercial scale projects. No, that's a mouthful. Traditional ocean users we look at as clearly human fisherman, but it's also other occupants, right right whales are really key. So there is virtually no information worldwide to indicate how marine mammals work with floating offshore wind, because it's in a deeper, deeper environment. The, the bullet number two there is to conduct specifically research that will allow commercial scale scale projects to be implemented responsibly. The all sorts of different technology solutions. Do we have mooring lines that go straight down go way out what are they made out of how do we do the anchoring all sorts of different things like that, and then allowing fisheries and offshore wind to coexist. As I mentioned earlier, we do want to influence bone leasing bone leasing and approval process a legitimate outcome of doing the research array is don't put them within 30 miles of shore because we fish there. I'm not kidding. It could be you want these mid projects to be really far offshore. And then the fourth bullet is absolutely to establish main is the hub for floating offshore wind jobs in the East Coast and that's, that's key because there's a big difference between floating offshore wind infrastructure and fixed bottom foundations I should have shown a picture fixed bottom is to predominate technologies one is what's called a monopile it is literally a giant steel cylinder giant like you could fit your house in it. Two inch thick steel is pounded in into the seabed. And that doesn't work in very deep water. So that technology is off the list. Jacket foundations which are more like a bar stool, a four legged stool. Similarly, it go a little bit deeper water but they don't go into really deep water and so those are both going to be used extensively really south of Cape Cod. So projects off of New York and New Jersey are almost all jackets and monopiles. The opportunity is for main to really corner the floating offshore wind job market. Establish the ports show that everybody can do it and then be in a position to essentially potentially serve other states with floating offshore wind in that there are not many harbors that are of the scale that are necessary to accommodate this industry. I want to show you scale right because people also are concerned about the scale of this, this research array, but what this is on the right here are these are the leases off of Massachusetts. In generally these are 150,000 acres or more some of them 165,000 acres. What the state is looking for is this little red box in here that's about the scale is a 10,000 acre 16 square mile research lease so it's only about 7% aside so that's the major difference between research lease and a in a commercial scale lease much much smaller and Chris. Yeah, just going back to your last slide we didn't have one question I don't know if this has been answered, but has the floating technology been proven at this point or is it still being worked on. It is still being worked on that really is the function of the monhegan project so I will elaborate extensively right, so there are lots of really big floating oil rigs around the world right. Little point of fact there's almost 6000 structures in the Gulf of Mexico. Now the vast majority of those are, as I said monopiles and jackets but there's also big floating structures. So the real difference is that those floating structures in the oil and gas industry are all like, you know, I'm going to call it like billion dollar structures each one is just gigantic. And so the challenge has been scaling down the technology to accommodate wind turbines, and then making it cost effective so the issue is not whether we can build something. It's that note there on the second line there is whether or not it can be built economically. So really that's what the monhegan project is about is about figuring out a way that we can build that foundation economically, and then use those lessons learned eventually into something like the research array. There are a whole bunch. Not not that many, but three current projects in Europe that are sort of onesie twosies of different types of technologies. So those are right now all steel foundations. And so the opportunity is for main is to build with concrete as opposed to steel, in that we don't have steel in the state of the magnitude to build these things. And very few stages not even not even a port on the east coast that can build steel of the size that's necessary. So the whole trick with the University main foundation is that they've come up with this concrete foundation that is it kind of uses the technology that bridge builders are used to so you all probably drove past the bridge between New Hampshire and Maine. I think it's one right off 95 to your left as you're going south. And it's that exact same technology you build pieces you lift them in place with a crane piece by piece by piece and essentially have a big structure at the end. That's what that's what we're doing. And I'm going to show you a little bit of that. So my question is actually just a one note on this, this slide. So, as you know, a few wealthy fee people live on Martha's vineyard and then tuck it. And many of them didn't want to see wind turbines. And to a lesser extent, New York determined is that somewhere between 12 and 15 miles, you would not have a significant view shed disruption so that was part of this original sort of a line here, you can't really see it exactly. The reason why the lights out of it are because there are shipwrecks and rocks and things like that, but it was originally a sort of circle and a line and the zigzag to avoid interrupting the view shed. The state of Maine has actually been more conservative than that they've said, we're not going to build this within 20 miles of land. This is a little picture of what the research array would look like and it gives you somewhat of a better is probably hard to see on your screens right you can see these close turbines, but this is what they're like about a mile apart. This is a little pod of four then one option is to have two miles between them and the next pod. And that would be to sort of test out the idea of having a corridor for bigger ships to go between these things. The little white line is the sort of theoretical area that fishermen really shouldn't go. And it shouldn't go would mean sort of prudently you run a greater risk of and a lobster man specifically of getting your traps tangled on mooring lines and things like that. And so what you can see is the vast majority of the wind farm is actually open for business as usual, not necessarily for scholars but definitely for for lobster man. I want to, I'm going to, my next slide is actually to pause on questions I know I've been using up a quite a bit of time here but I do want to flip to one other slide that is just cool, it'll give you the scale of what we're talking about here. This is a current, just the, the top piece of a current state of the art offshore wind turbine. These are really big. Right, so this is, and I apologize I don't remember the weight but it's kind of in the neighborhood of four or 500 tons. This has to be lifted up on top of that giant tower. And so here you can see what it's just like relative to mere human beings. Everything literally has to be moved by see everything in this business is very nautical, it can't be shipped on roads or on even railroad. So I will pause there for questions I am glad to. I am glad to flip around to different slides I can answer any questions like, but I didn't want to just talk at you for hours so over to you sir. I would invite folks you can raise your hand virtually or take yourself off me or add any questions to the chat. If you prefer to have me read them. But yeah we'd love to hear what questions folks have. And absent that I can show I can show you a few more slides that will give you a bit more of a grounding in the, in the construction. And while we wait one question a couple questions that I get repeatedly but one is thinking about this project in particular what does it mean for energy generation for the state of Maine. So, I will speak pretty candidly in that one turbine for the state of Maine isn't much, we're a rounding error in the vagaries of the state, I have Dave will be on the line who I think has the number of households that we would power, probably closer to his fingertips than me. Dave if you're listening not to put you on the spot to take you off mute but if you can. It's, it's a little bit over 5000 households the equivalent of 5000 something main households. This is the cable from the demonstration turbine would be interconnected to the grid in Lincoln County. And so, for safety context, it's about a third of the total number of households in Lincoln County at the course of a year that it's annual output. So you can see I mean as these turbines get really really big you don't really need that many of them. Now, the state already gets a lot of its power from land based wind, and we'll be getting more from solar so they're in my opinion there will never be you know 1000 offshore wind turbines because they're so big now. So it really isn't a specter of them being everywhere it's we're talking about a handful of wind farms. We have some questions that have added to the chat. Going back to the floating technology. How much work will it take to perfect it. And when is it expected to be done by. Yeah, good, good question so we're, we're working through the design for the one turbine project now right and so that design is going to take us about another year, and we're working very closely with what we would what we call construct ability. So, we don't want to create a design that literally says you have to pour the entire thing in one giant batch form because that would be impossible to build. So we're working really in hand and glove and I'm going to show you, I'm going to show you actually a picture to help see if I can put this back on on there with me. And now, sorry just that I have to go to zoom classes tonight to perfect this screen sharing, getting there. Almost. Okay, so what you see in this slide is we are in this is the foundations can be built on land 300 feet across 10,000 tons there is nothing that can pick that up. Right. In Maine, much less most of the rest of the world. So we are building it in bite sized pieces you have what we call the keystone here that will probably be one form in place. You have each of these arms, this is kind of like a view into the arm, and then you have these columns. And to give you a really zero in on how big this is and what we're trying to do to get to that perfected design is this is one of the arms. And this is this is a view looking into the end of that arm, a person for scale. And what we're doing is come is refining the design to basically build this in truck size pieces. So that the fabrication can be kind of spread around the state, and you can truck the pieces in and put them all together at Mac point. And it is this element of design that is being perfected for just building it once but building it once will be like the hand built Rolls Royce. And as we get to the research array, we will probably have learned from this how to put these pieces together maybe more efficiently, how to turn it a bit more into a factory process, and we'll continue to refine that refine that design. So it's a it's a continual process of improvement to the point where, by the time the research array is built. We think we will have a really good method for setting up a factory and then being able to do, you know, kind of 50 of these at a time. So it's a multiple year process there's no absolute answer to it is when is it good enough to go into production is really the bottom line. Yeah, so going to the next question. Is there any notion that the lease areas can function as fishery sanctuaries. Yes, I'm really pleased that you asked that I. So I've been observing this fishery sanctuary or sort of sanctuaries in the ocean around the world where there's a movement to do kind of like 100 square mile blocks and just let the entire ecosystem reestablish itself. And a very minimum that slide that I showed a minute ago. There, but has these little little pods that are sanctuaries. We're, there's a lot to say here, has any of anybody is a question to the audience is anybody seen pictures of the ocean bottom before and after a dragging has been done to either catch scallops or something else. Quite striking, because you see the ocean bottom and lots of little things growing before, and then this device scrapes the ocean bottom and is literally turned into a desert that then takes years to reestablish itself. So these areas would allow, as far as I'm concerned, scallops to grow to be like really big like scallops you haven't seen in, you know, 50 years. And, and that leads to the same concept of breeders right breeding lobsters, this sort of secret of lobsters, creating more lobsters is to let them get big enough. And here you create little sanctuaries and a minimum these little, these little white areas will be sanctuaries. We're not sure, frankly, to what extent for scalloping those sanctuaries would be bigger, because you do have mooring lines one design is that mooring lines kind of go out little ways. If the mooring lines do go out, then this sanctuary effect would actually be quite a bit bigger. It could be a circle that is maybe four times the size of the circle that's shown here. So yeah, it's a, it's a thing that could be part of the research to is I mean what we're what we had thought we are not ocean scientists but what you thought is that would be really a really good long term study is to see what impact this has. And it's really interesting. I'd love to see what, what that result would be. David I think we answered your question about the output of the monhegan array but if there's more information you're looking for on that just feel free to add it to the chat or to chime in. We have another question that asks asks how does the energy get distributed once it's on land. The simple answer is, it just goes wherever the wires take it. The grid is the great equalizer basically power flows to to whoever's using it. So it's yeah it's not like you can tag the electrons, it really just enters the grid and then flows wherever it flows. Right. And this is good question so former governor LaPage pulled the plug on the Norwegian offshore wind project in Maine some years ago. Do you see any political risks for completing this project this time. So, the very short answer is no, I think, you know, government, Governor Mills, if you look at her statements and her actions is really tremendously supportive of offshore wind and in the much bigger context of, we have to do whatever it takes to battle climate change, and offshore wind is just one of the things that that we need to do. And so, it's a pretty. It's not big bang in that she's not saying build a gigantic project it's very deliberate and I think it is a it strikes the right balance between recognizing that we need this resource but we also need to preserve the heritage industries of Maine, right you don't want to mess up view shed you don't want to mess up fishing, you want to make sure it's done right. So I think she's really supportive. Did I lose you all, or just Sarah. Oh, I think you lost me first. Yep, I think we lost you. I can never tell was me or you. Alright, Sarah. I will take a look at the chat in Sarah's absence and if anybody else except Sarah you control the mute button if you can unmute folks maybe that would work too. Well, I will. I'll take a moment in Sarah's absence to also introduce. Dave will be I guess I'm putting you on the spot again, there is an emerging sort of support group called the Gulf of Maine sustainability Alliance that I would encourage folks here to log on to and and sign up for communications on offshore wind. Dave what is the. What is the web address of that. The Gulf of Maine sustainability Alliance.com. Or you can go to just the gamsa. Th e g o m s a. And I think that, as I understand it that is formed to acknowledge that sustainability offshore wind is just part of it. So it's sustainability of everything in the Gulf of Maine right if you look at where we were 150 years ago it was clipperships were industry right and now it's really just fishing, but could also be offshore wind and so the idea is just sustainability really across the board. So are you back. Can you hear me now. Yes. One of the negative side effects of working from home. The most reliable internet. So I because I left and came back on I lost all the comments in the chat but I don't know on you if you happen to be keeping track of them. And if you want to just keep going with surely finally I don't know where we left off. I had a question about which agency. This is Kim, which agency is determining whether you have to do an EA or an EIS. In other words, making that Fonsi determination, which is that Department of Energy is it Noah, who was making that determination. Department of Energy. I don't know if it's an agency, but team attorneys and, you know, experts and so forth. Great, were there any other questions that folks had. And it looks like there's a question about what is an EA and EIS can you explain what that is, folks. So, I'm not a, I'm not a permitting expert. So I think the actual terms are environmental assessment versus environmental impact statement. They are very similar in that they cover the same issues. I think in the EA is done more when it's considered a smaller project to have a smaller imprint than anything, view whales birds. And it's to a certain extent a discretion of the of the agency that's taking it on. But I don't really know that I have to say I'm not a permitting expert. I don't know the discretion. There's another question that is assuming the Mahigan Array is a success. What do you see looking ahead? Yeah, so I'm looking ahead is really couple things to a great extent what is going to happen, regardless of us is the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management is eventually going to catch up its leasing program so it's going to prioritize leases in New York in the next year or two. California, one of the Carolinas, because they do things that were sort of in the process and then stalled during the Trump administration. And this task force that is the tri-state task force will essentially convene and there will be leases that carve up the Gulf of Maine so that's that's what's happening regardless of us. What we would do with success of the Mahigan project is continue to support the state in its quest to build a research array quickly enough that it can steer that ship, can steer the bohem ship, and influence the way leases are both defined first, and then how they how the later project specifics are defined. So it could be don't put your turbines closer than a mile from each other. It could be, you can only barrier cable you have to make sure you provide that the cable is doesn't create a charted cable area. So through a litany of different things there's an entire sort of research plan that the state is working on with others I've to admit I've not been on those zoom all of those zoom calls. And the idea is to hear from all of the experts and the fishermen what's going on out there and what they need answers to in order to prudently do it so our goal as a developer we would like to be we'd like to build the research My metaphor is that we would be building the laboratory and then all of the others from University of Maine to Bigelow labs to Woods Hole would conduct research in and around the wind turbines to answer to answer those questions. So that's what we see over the next couple of years I think there's a lot of public outreach a lot of permitting a whole lot of discussion that will still continue at the state level between folks like yourselves, fishermen. I would say specifically other. Not species but you know if you look at folks like the Audubon that are advocating obviously for birds, but also right whales, because there's a lot of really specific sort of areas of knowledge that really need to be developed over the next couple years. I'm going to couple questions just keep rolling in. Who is on the tri-state task force making decisions how to carve up the Gulf of Maine. I actually I will have to say, I don't know other than generally it is represent representatives of government of each of those three states. I don't know how one gets on the task force. I believe that if you go to the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management website. I think you can just Google that, and you look up Maine or New Hampshire, it'll lead to the historical task force work, which is now getting old it's more than a year old their first first time they convene was before COVID and they haven't convene and probably find out how you get on it who was on it who attended and who will be on it in the future. And we have one more question and perhaps this is a good one to end on unless there's any other questions that come in but how do we reach you with any further questions. Ah, good question. Here. This is this is the easiest because this then gets to a clearing house the info at dow dev.com leads into us and then so we have a couple representatives on the phone that I haven't I haven't necessarily introduced but that allows us to then figure out what you know who's best to answer the question. And then you can call us, and you can actually go to our website that website will be continuously emerging. And so we'll start putting more and more information on that. And if you want to get in touch with me directly have to reach out to Sarah and get my contact information. I do have a contact information if Chris is willing for to allow me to share that I would happy to do that as well. I'd be glad to. Okay, and, and thank you, Dave for for sharing an email in there in the chat as well. Well, if that if those were all the questions. Thank you so much for this presentation we have some other thank yous and the in the chat this is was extremely informative. We've been looking forward to this one for a while so I really appreciate you taking the time and going through this with with us. The presentation for the last question has been recorded, we will send it out to everybody who registered and we will also posted on our YouTube page. If there are folks that you want to see this who weren't able to join us today. We want to share as much share this with as many people who are interested in viewing it just to share information on this project so thank you again for joining us and we appreciate it. Thank you so much Sarah for the opportunity. Great, great to spend the time with you all thank you for joining. Take care. Thank you everyone have a great day. Thanks.