 embedded world you just announced the new embed release right? That's right we've just brought together our embed OS 5.4 release and this is a really cool milestone for developers because it allows developers the access of a certified thread 1.1 stack it brings along with it sort of a Linux access point and border routers that allow you to actually build for applications for products that are undergoing certification and qualification from a thread point of view and that that's a great opportunity to develop for smart buildings and smart lighting and those applications that we are really seeing some very high growth in terms of devices on so giving customers the opportunity users the opportunity to have a very significantly improved app of the box experience the release is also supported by 71 silicon platforms right from the start this is again something we're really proud of the the investment and support the collaboration that our partnership is driving and the release actually brings in some really cool features around file support systems so they can build with more capable applications that can take care of security and we've been doing a lot of work around it embedded world to actually showcase how developers can build systems with strong entropy in the devices so there's a lot of contribution right is open source people are coming with their suggestions and you're putting them in but optimizing the code so it runs perfect for the Cortex-M right has to be very small yeah one of the the biggest challenges in IoT is how do you securely you know update devices manage devices through their life cycle especially if they're really constrained and if they need to be operating at the edge in a in a sort of battery-powered type manner for for months and years so this is why embedded OS is focused on solving the problems with arms high efficiency Cortex-M architecture and in terms of the embedded OS release we are actually releasing on a on a bi-weekly cadence one of the things that our quarterly release does is allows the contributions from all of our partners into a production release that everyone can rely on and take into their design ends so when you talk about thread it's about security right so threat is about connectivity it's about security so one example I would give is actually open AIS which is a European initiative which brings together all of the key major lighting manufacturers and so far the lighting industry has has seen that there is actually quite a lot of cost in in systems not only in smart light and notes but also systems that go into actually controlling and offering the the whole building management solution around lighting so this needs an ecosystem and and threat brings in that connectivity to really allow for a much more mesh network environment within smart buildings for example so it's it's about choosing the right range and right level of connectivity but in many cases we know that you know real wide scale deployments of IoT require multiple protocols so threat is one of the mix of protocols but now it's really getting to a point where interoperable stacks are available and and particularly our embed OS makes this this interoperable stack available to developers so that they can really just get on with developing their applications and maybe open source security is a good idea so maybe there's up to maybe you are already anticipating the future M23 and 33 right so we've been talking about how security needs to be done in in the kind of software world and this requires a fundamental change to how we think about device security and so that's part of one of the things that I talked around sort of strong entropy that needs to be built into devices so that you can you can have true not a random number generators integrated this this randomness really helps in how you can make sure that you can trust the secrets on your device