 What's interesting, Kiron, from what you're saying is that you see parallels between this conflict here in Israel and border conflicts you set in Europe and in different parts of the world. But you don't draw a parallel between Ireland's experience of British colonialism, which is what's most commonly cited as the reason for pro-Palestinian sympathies in Ireland. So why is it that you don't see that as being applicable in this case? I see no parallels at all. For one thing, Irish nationalism and even the IRA, even though they were, they were not genocidal. I mean they never wanted to wipe out the British state, they never wanted to wipe out all Protestants in Northern Ireland. And that's the most extreme version of Irish nationalism. Irish nationalism was actually quite constitutional and it got its state, it settled down trying to make the best of the state and it didn't. I think there are some of the laws where maybe on the sympathetic towards Protestant minority, but there are no specifically anti-Protestant laws. There are no laws specifically radiating Protestants to secondary states. I mean definitely there are laws that support the Catholic position a bit too much, but there was nothing in comparison to the kind of laws, the Demi-States laws that we have seen in Islamic countries, oppressing Jews and Christians. So I don't really see any parallels. I think that Palestinian nationalism is a quite different thing. So Kiran, I'm just interested how you went about kind of forming your viewpoints about Israel and becoming informed about this conflict. You mentioned that you were over here on a visit in 2019, but how did you sort of get interested in this conflict and get informed about what's happening here? I suppose it was back to when I was in school. In school we did a lot about the Holocaust. It was covered a lot in the curriculum and I was struck by how there was nobody to speak for the Jews, they didn't have their own state. There was nobody to sit at international conferences or at the League of Nations to tump tables and saying this can't be happening, this is wrong. So they were just left on their own and I can see parallels today with the unfortunate Kurds or the Rohingya in Myanmar or even those African ethnic groups in Darfur who are currently being slaughtered by Arab militias and nobody is paying any attention at all. Every ethnic group really needs to have their own state and it's also kind of a recognition thing. If you have your own state then suddenly you become a more substantial thing like you're in the Olympics, you're playing other nations in soccer or basketball or whatever, you're in Eurovision. If you become a recognisable thing so people can relate to you. If somebody attacks Switzerland or Sweden or Ireland or whatever, people will be able to point to that straight away and say oh yeah, that's there, they're on the map. Whereas the Kurds aren't on the map, they're just kind of a blob in southeastern Turkey and northern Syria and northeastern Iraq. People watching this would say well the Palestinians also deserve self-determination and to have their own state, what do you think about that? Well they were offered their own state on numerous occasions. In the late 1940s they could have had it. There were various occasions, I think it was in 2008, I think it was Ehud Almert or Ehud Barak. I think it was Ehud Almert offered them pretty much all of the West Bank and even was offering a little bit extra so that the Palestinians in both areas could go back and say we've got the equivalent area of the West Bank. I mean in fairness they do have, you know, small but they do have the Gaza strip already and what are they doing with it? They're just using it to attack Israel. Hamas is not interested in the well-being of the Gaza people. Hamas is only interested in destroying Israel. I would argue that they already have a portion of a state and they're not making much of it. Okay, I don't, the order with Gazans don't really have much choice in terms of who's ruling them but their leaders are not interested in the betterment of the Gazan people. It's not a state that's for the improvement of the lives of Gazans. It's a state that's being used as a weapon against Israel and only for that.