 Welcome to Toffy TV proudly backed by Vanorama, driving fan TV this summer. Ffynus Moray left on Thursday, which was a bit of a surprise. We've been linked with him earlier that day to Niddlesbury, was he? Obviously, some people knew that he was on his way out but was available, obviously. The move was made then to Veloyal, which I think is like a perfect move for him. To be honest, it just seems like a good fit. BBQ weather all year round, let's be honest, BBQ weather all year round. But the business that was done and the way it was done and no leaks or anything beforehand. First of all, before we talk about Justin Ffynus Moray, how do we look back at his Everton career? Trap barb ac ewer. You know what? He was okay. I think he had some good games and he had games where he was all over the place. I think he was alright in a physical battle. I think he's not too bad in that. But when he's up against the forward, he runs in behind him. He had a go to sleep, or he just doesn't anticipate very well. Cos that's where he gets caught out. I don't know under the ball or he wouldn't see the run. And then he's trying to make up. Mor a woodchayers, he was a threat in the opposing penalty area, which didn't give no one else seems to be. I don't know anything still. But I still never, for the life of me, understand why Martin has changed and went for Ffynus Moray for the sake of a million wealth. Did the money was there? He felt Moray was a better option. But as far as he's concerned, I thought he'd done alright. He was up and down. I'm not, you know what I'm not. But I think that he ends up doing him, obviously. Cos he's just in play in a football. I think he got off to a good start and then I think he started to show that he just wasn't good enough. He's never switched on in games. Maybe in a three, he could have gone away with him. If you had a proper three that he played every single week, I think he could have gone away with him on that left hand side. Cos of what he added to that physicality present in the air in both boxes. But I think you're right. I can't remember what game it was, but I remember one game that the opposition scored and he run into the space in front of him and left a load of space behind him when the ball sort of didn't bounce right for the opposition to just run through on goal. And it was things like that. You haven't got the football intelligence. Arsenal at home, when we got B3-0 and he brought the ball up to the airfail and gave it away. Now he just knocked it back to the ball when he was driven. There was no reason to make that run, you know, where you were. Or if you're making that run, do not give the ball away cos he had a last line. It was little things like that. He was a player that, or he is a player, I think that is, tries things that he's just not good enough to do. And that's fair enough, but that's not for me. And as you say, the fact that we could have gone van dych around the same time and didn't, really leaves a... It's just not mad this is. But listen, some fans liked him. He had a bit of desire and passion for the shirt and things like that, which fans like. The goals he scored, he was always celebrating like a lunatic and things like that. I don't think anyone wishes him well, I know that kind of thing. I think most people wanted him to go because he felt like he was not required. Some people, I don't know if you're on the beef, some people out there say we should have given him a goal. But that means he would always leave a doubt on whether he could properly come back for that from that. But as we said, the manner of how we sold him was incredible, really. Because literally Thursday night it just popped up on Everton website, basically, he's been sold. And that was it. That was the first inkling. I mean, he was going, but we didn't. He didn't think it would be as swift as what it was. But you're right in terms of keeping the information in house. It was brilliant. I hope that continues both ways, really, in and out. Or as much as it can. I don't think it does anyone any favours when Everton drags on. I think it's probably easier to sell someone like that than it is to buy a player. Because there's a lot of people involved in a transfer coming in. And in this country, everyone's hungry for information, boy. Do you think it's got a lot to do with that? I think what you've just said, there's hungry for information. And I think sometimes a club feeds on that. And we've seen Liverpool recently do it with Fichair. Sort of letting the press know a day before because he was so sure it would go through. It didn't go through and then he sort of looked a little bit foolish. But that's because the desire for knowledge is so massive now. And we know the clubs drip feed their friends in the media. We know when a story is right or true or not, because certain members of the media will have that story and will have been briefed on that story 24 hours before. And you see the likes of St Leeford, the likes of Joyce and the likes of Andy Hunter will come out with that story. But you think this is, you know, in terms of how massive a brand does it this way. No one, he doesn't know any of those people. And he doesn't feel like a need to give them that information almost to say, well, this is how we do things now. You'll react to the story when you do it. You'll react to the story when you do it. Simply because I think we've, in the past, and then we've done this as a club, is we've given information out when the deal's really early on. And when the deal naturally takes a long time to conclude, because we have released the news so early, that people in the meantime, everybody goes through the different stages of emotions before the sign finally happens. You know, we've seen it last year a couple of times. Do you think this is just a case now of when the deal's done, that we'll let you know and try and minimise as many leaks as we can be? It's hard to tell, obviously, because it's the first real one that we've moved out. If it becomes a theme where you're just there and then yet it's a clear message of how we're going to do things, I think it's important. People don't understand when, which is obviously why, you know, we stopped saying anything daily, because people don't understand that. I know but it cuts you up and people go, I'm out and not jeopardised. But it kind of can cause all sorts, because it wants the stuff out there, it's out there. And then it bounces around various things and it can notify people, it can push wades, it's up stories, it's written. You see that loads of times. And obviously, you know, you have things like the fakir thing, where he looked in pictures and he lived a bullshit. So then if it falls, I know he'll probably end up there anyway, but it falls through at that time and you've got to be, there's a lot of stages to go through in the transfer. I hope that it remains like that, because it'll be great. If Everton just go breaking news and we've signed whoever on a four, you know, Matthew and breaking news, Everton have signed Lasano on a five, if something like that, you'd just be like, wow, that's amazing. Rather than Everton trying to get him and the speaking team and he's going to make a decision next weekend and you just got them. No, but you know what I mean. No, no. Everyone almost loses the mind. I've heard he's not coming, I've heard. And then next minute, there's like 25 stories going on. But people get angry with them stories. That's what I can't get me into. There's like a thing in the paper of a player and it's like, oh, any shite brands, four things are changing, you go, you haven't bought them. It's just someone in the news is writing something. So there's that kind of thing where if Everton can keep it as quiet as they can for as long as they can both ways, I think it'll benefit the club. And I think I'd be really good if brands can do that and it'll show us, but we'll know. I suppose as we go through the next few weeks, if it continues to happen, then that's quite clearly how it's going to go down. That's good. As I said, there's a whole industry based off the back of transferring women's business. So if a story does get out there, it can jeopardise a deal because then of other parties that are later, that did not already know, and the agents or the other team or the player will use that in their favour and then things change later on. And I think what happens is when clubs change the goalposts later on in a deal, the club you were buying, I tend to just say, no, we won't be ill-ghosted on this player. We're quite happy to walk away. So that might be our melanchol. It's happened a lot. I've said this before, Robby Key, three times he was on an evident team sheet, you know, a squad sheet, because if the deal was done on it, it didn't happen at the last minute on a couple of occasions, once because space changed payment scheme at the very end and things like that. You know, clubs can do this. Clubs can do this at any time, players can do it, players can go and get out of the union, out of the union and they get in the room and they don't cry bell of me with that bell field and they're told everyone he was signing and Adam Eatman, the manager, didn't come down so I'll never play for them. You know, after the two meetings with him on the second meeting, so lots of things can happen throughout it and that's why you need it to try and be as quiet as long as it can. And you're right because it only takes a phone call, it only takes a phone call in the last minute before that pens it a paper and something can change it, but you know, it's the first one out. Obviously Joel got the lease, but we knew that anyway, didn't we? So it's the first one. So, you know, we were expecting... I don't know what to feed up. That was the thing on it, you know. He was coming up with 20 million euros. He was just making stuff up. It's funny though. It was funny, but if anyone believed it, it was like, yeah, all right. All right. Do you know what I mean? But anyway, yeah, go on. So, I mean, obviously now, talk of Wayne Rooney. Obviously he looks like he's out the door. Ashley Williams, Kevin Morales, Morgan Snidlin. I mean, we can get rid of those players. I mean, Morgan Snidlin's like that. You're there different stories, but you would think if someone's prepared to pay the money for them, then it'll happen. But if we can get rid of those players in the next couple of weeks, you know, pre-season training, back next week, back on the second. Back Monday, yeah? If we can get rid of some of those players, so those players know where the future is. If we can get rid of Snidlin and get the replacement, like, for like, you know, 20-gland Rooney and keep Wayne Rooney, but if he's going to go for it, you know, I understand why he would, and I understand why Mark has said that. But he's in the state at the moment, so... Yeah, it's a blux, it's looking. But I think the main thing is though, if these players have been told that it's done, then I think that's brilliant. I've got no wishy. That's what I'm saying, I wouldn't mind. If Wayne's saying I'm saying I wouldn't be like, I'd rather he went, I wouldn't. But I also don't want to see him get worse and worse and worse. And I think, and I've, you know, there's a couple of videos coming out on tactics and they've read a lot and they, you know, doesn't fit. Doesn't really fit unless we, we change, unless we bring three donors in, basically, and I can't see that happen, because obviously we've got Guilfee who does naturally fit. So, you know, if you talk on Wayne Rooney, that's at least £150,000 a week. Snidlin, 120, Sandro, there's nearly £400,000 a week. Straight off Ashley Williams up here on about £77,000. Forget about the money. No, it's wages. No, no, no. Four. I know it's wages, but the most important thing is they're not required. They're players that need to be replaced, aren't they? That's the most important thing. Forget about wages. And I don't mean that in a flippant way, because it is up, you know, finance and fair play is there, it is in effect, and we need to lower the... We need to lower the... We need to lower the wages. But by getting rid of these players that are not necessarily required, then I think that's a really good statement of intent. And what's that as well? I mean, we might get the money. I mean, you know, you just said devil funds money. We've got to get around £9 million for them, which is essentially what we paid. But we made that money back and we're saving on the wages and we've got to play it that we don't want, don't need. And there'll be some add-ons if he does all right, Rob. That'll push you up. That's how we've got to love with it. That's the parents as well. Whatever. But have you looked at it? The reason why I'm saying that with the wages is because it's over half a million a week, which is a lot, which essentially you can go and get three, four, five really good... four really good players on good wages to fill that who will play. Those like you're saying, they're not going to play. So there's no reason for them to be in the squad. You know what I mean? Get them out. Get good in if we can... There's five. You know, there's decisions to be made over mobile so that you think he'll go personally to another one out the door. I think there's a decision to be made over James McCarthy, but I don't think that won't be made until January when he's backfitting and we've had a look at him, obviously. He could come back and he does what he does. He actually does fit the system. So there's players there. You know, obviously there's people who aren't going to get any win yet. But that's the thing, isn't it? The fees are almost not relevant. If someone wants to take him. So there's them kind of players and then obviously you've got to look at who are on the ass and go, can we get better in that final thing. I like him because he's a great sub. He's a good option, he'll score goals. I'm going to call it a living. Yeah, but these players, those last couple of players, they're not players that need replacement as such. Blasey, he's like... He's on the line, isn't he? Because it's a case of is anyone going to take him or what can you get out of them? I think the players will talk. Some of the players that the manager would happily see you leave, they don't seem to fit the system and as fans you sort of like... Because some of the players, and this has even been mentioned to be honest is, they're players that might just fit the system. We look at a player we look at a player in one system and go, they're rubbish or whatever and then you get a player and the manager understands his strength and goes, you know what? Give him a pre-season. Let TVBeds into the way I want to play and there's something you've got a player who's re-vigorated by... Snadlin would fit the system. I'd like better, but he could do the job. He's with Snadlin now. He is one where everyone might just come together and go, well, you know what? It's probably, you might work but it's probably better to do all the line under it. I think he wants to go back to France. Well that's what I'm saying, you want to go back to France you're having a baby, you seem to enjoy the sun, you're having a baby or somewhere like that to start your life as a family and all the rest of it. That's probably the way it is and sometimes decisions are not football decisions, they're life decisions and what's best for everybody and that might just be the best decision for everybody and he might have already made his mind up on that mentally as well which means coming back is... that wasn't he, he kind of he indicated that his next club won't be in England. He definitely wants to cheat him out of the surrounding club. That's a shame. Fair play to him. Look, he was good for six months. Last season didn't work. He got better towards the end of the season. It is what it is. People forget as well, this is a player that played in the what? Third tier of English football and worked his way up to the Premier League and then played in the last Euros as well for France. In terms of that, he's done OK. It just hasn't over he worked it ever. Didn't he? You liked it, did it? No, it didn't. Maybe he just suited Southampton because they knew the way. Again, the set system just went into it. We have another set system. Marino didn't like him because he wasn't mobile enough apparently. You look at it like that, don't you? There's none of them who, like you say, Wayne is for different reasons why I don't really want him to go. Playing again against lower sides, I think he's shambull. But it's like competing at the top end. No, danger of repeating ourselves. It is OK. If he's being told and he knows and he's probably took the last month to come to terms with that. And then it's then let it happen and let it you know. Is there any who've been mentioned that you would rather stay or you're just not bothered about anyone? There's nobody. There's nobody because there's nobody getting mentioned that. I'm particularly... I think we've been going to the Luchman stuff. We're still going on by race quite clearly. The Luchman was going and would be devastated. Luchman's the only one. It looks like he's staying. Oh, for his fingers crossed. But apart from that, there's nobody else. There's no one. I'm just not asked. There's no shame of stays. I'm good. Pickford. Oh, he's staying. There you go. No, there's no shame. There's not many you go. Oh my God, if he goes. But to be honest, I'm at the stage now. I just think we'll let the manager and this new fella to say because the ones who we like haven't produced already. OK, lovely. Maybe it's time for a new era. Michael Keane. We'll see. We'll ask a legend about that. Let us know your thoughts in the comments. If you'd like to see, stay here. If you'd like to see, go or you're asked about when, really leaving and anyone else leaving. Let us know in the comments. 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