 The best kind of doors are the doors you have to explain. Welcome, welcome to Unhinge, where door hardware nerds get together to knock and slam on different doorfills. We learn, we laugh, and sometimes we even cry depending on how bad these doorfills are. But most of all, we have fun while we learn a little bit about doors. Today, we do have a very special guest, Mr. Phil, the mobile credential evangelist, Coppola. I'm sorry. Coppola, just don't call me late for dinner. And that's your official middle name now, right? The mobile... The mobile evangelist. So I'll share, before you get into the fun facts, I'll share another fun fact. So my legal name is Felice, or Felice Coppola, which in Italian means happy. Now, for some reason in my head over the last 42 years, it never occurred to me that I had this amazing name. And so like I was always like, oh, just call me Phil, just call me Phil, just call me Phil. I should have been happy the entire time. That should have been my name. If you wanna call me happy, go ahead and call me happy. Like I said, just don't call me late for dinner. Well, happy, great to have you. Thank you. Like from Iron Man, right? That's it, Happy Hogan. Yes, Happy Hogan, that's perfect. Have you noticed that Stan Lee always does like the same initials for the first and last name for his characters? That was a choice for sure. Or it's like things are super close together like Tony Stark, T.S., right? There was a method to his madness, Peter Parker. What about Gwen Stacy? Gwen Stacy, though. Gwen Stacy, oh yeah, she's not close at all. Not even close. But Gwen Stacy goes spider. See, you see? It all makes sense in there somewhere. There's a bunch of them in there. You know, alliteratious, is that alliteratious? That make, it just like flows through the comic, you know, I guess. Well, Phil, thank you so much for joining us. We're really excited to have you on here. Why don't you introduce yourself, tell us a little bit about what you do and have a little fun fact here. Yeah, absolutely. So first of all, thank you so much for including me in this. I'm a fan. I watch, comment, like and subscribe, the whole thing. So yes, I am Phil Capola. I am the mobile evangelist for HID mobile credentials. So what does that mean, right? If you're following Mia and Benji on LinkedIn, you've probably seen this mug once or twice talking about mobile credentials and the whole effort here is to just drive awareness in the security industry around moving away from what we've always done and distributing plastic cards to the modern way of credentialing, which is through a mobile credential. And we can certainly, yes, exactly. Put it on your phone. Everything else is on your phone already. Why not a mobile credential? And obviously like a wax poetic on all the reasons why around sustainability and user convenience and credential management and yada, yada, yada. But we can get into that later. Fun fact about me other than the fact that my name is happy. And yes, you can call me happy. Couple things. One, the nerdiest thing that I do is 3D printing. So like, if you see that Mandalorian helmet behind me, I actually did 3D print that and sand it and paint it and sand it and paint it and sand it and paint it until I got it almost perfect. And we mentioned Tony Stark earlier. I am printing an Ironman helmet too, which I've been thinking about sharing some more of that on LinkedIn. And I think maybe people would appreciate seeing a different side of the mobile evangelist. And then as we were ramping up this conversation, we were chatting about our different pizza proclivities. And I'm a New York City guy. Born and raised in New York City. I live in New Jersey. And the hill that I will die on is at central Jersey pizzas. And not just New Jersey, but central New Jersey where I live has the best pizza in the world, the best pizza style, which is called a tomato pie, super thin crust, cheese on the bottom, sauce on top, chunky sauce. Oh man, so good. But Mia, you're living in New Haven and there's a bit of a rivalry there. I will say Sally's and Frank Pepe's fantastic. It's a great number two. I think we're gonna have to have a pizza challenge. Pizza showdown. Oh, I agree, wholeheartedly agree. You are like a blind challenge, like a blind taste challenge. Do you think you could tell the difference? I was just thinking that. I was like, that's a great idea except I would know what I'm biting into. So it would be tough. Yes, I think willing to sacrifice and see if it would work. You know, Pepe's has a great summer tomato pie. It's like only available this time of year, only fresh local tomatoes. So, I mean, that is my favorite Pepe's pizza. I'll see you in like three hours. Okay. All right, coming over for dinner, like. 100%. Let me check plane tickets and I'll join you. Well, what an awesome, fun fact, like 3D printing. The boys and I actually got a 3D printer last year. It's just a little Ender 3. Yep, yep. That's where everybody starts. Everybody starts with an Ender 3. Yes, yeah, right? It's the gateway. Yes. But it's been a lot of fun designing things and pulling things together. We even did a whole nativity scene last Christmas. Oh, really cool. If to the grandparents and they like painted it and everything. So that was. Oh, I love that idea. All right, I'm stealing that. Yeah, no, there's designs. I'm sure you're, you know, you can find. You got to send me your designs. I would love to see what you guys did. Yeah, awesome. I will. But yeah, happy to have you on the show. Happy to have you on the show. Well done. Well done. Good night, everybody. Goodbye. Coming on. Well, thank you again for joining us. You know her. You love her. Mia, why don't you hop on and say hello and pizza fact or fun fact or. Yeah. Well, hello. So my favorite, I'm going to say my favorite New Haven style pizza because I don't know if I've had all of the pizza style. So that'd be unfair to say my favorite style, but I am a modern, modern abeats. Okay. So if anybody wants to come to New Haven, look me up. We'll call Philip. We'll go because in the pre-show, I learned neither Benji nor Phil have had modern. A, it's a wasted opportunity. B, I think the comment section is going to be on fire. And it's not going to be about door hardware. It's going to be about pizza. And that's okay. That is okay with me. Exactly. And by the way, so long as it's not Chicago deep dish because that's not pizza. But anyway, I digress. Go ahead. So love deep dish. That's like a special place in my heart, but I love it too, but it's not pizza. It's a meat pie lasagna thing of some sort. It's some something that people call pizza. I don't know. I don't get it. I've alienated the entire Midwest. Sorry. Somehow we're talking about food, but okay, I'm down. I'm going to get us off track again with my fun fact, which is different than what I had originally thought, but based on how the conversation is gone. So my kids are like super into Spidey and the Amazing Friends and has branched out into, you know, all the other Marvel everything. So my husband and I actually chronologically starting the Marvel MCU. We watched Captain America and we're even detouring a little bit. Like we're doing Agent Carter next. Maybe it's a door hardware theme, but we love the MCU. And we did the same chronological thing. And it literally took us like three months to get through it. Cause like Mia, we only watched, you know, half an hour here, half an hour there of the chronological order. But we actually really liked Agent Carter. And I feel like a lot of people don't talk about Agent Carter and that's a fantastic series. So I'm really great acting in there and storytelling. And yeah. And on that note. I was going to say, okay. And Benji, welcome back. We haven't even seen each other all summer. We pre-recorded everything before the summer and now it's the end of the summer. It's already like schools right around the corner. That's crazy. We like blinked and we're there. But yeah, glad to be back. Happy hope everyone had a nerdy summer. Obviously we all did. That just from the conversation that we've had so far. But yeah, I guess my fun fact, pizza style, right? I can dish in on the pizza. Might as well. Let's just keep it going. We talked a little bit about Detroit style, which I'm a big fan of. But you know, I don't know. I guess there's times because me, he said, like, there's times where you want like a full bite, you know, like the New Jersey, New York and even New Haven. It's like a thin crust. And sometimes you need like a mouthful of like, you know, I guess I should just eat a meat pie at that point. Right, Phil? It's a different experience. But I agree with you. Detroit style, fluffy, but a full mouth feel kind of bite. Like that's different than a Sicilian. Sicilian pizza, especially in like New York, New Jersey, is a little bit more dense. Detroit style that tends to be a little bit fluffier, a little bit more airy. I'm hungry. Let's get the show on the road. I'm like, oh, and just thinking about all of this. Actually, I don't know if I've ever met a pizza that I didn't like because even like bad pizza is still pizza. You know, like it's still. Bad pizza is still good pizza. Yeah, yeah. On another note, let's dive in here. So for those who don't know how Unhinge works, I will share my screen of a different door hardware fail of any sort. Since we have Phil on here, we're tailoring a little bit more access control related. So hopefully we get some insights out of this brilliant mind that might be covered with a Mandalorian helmet. But yeah, we'll share a screen, we'll knock and we'll slam on the different doorfills and then we'll give it a knocking score. One being not too knocking bad, like, hey, like I get why we shared this, but 10 being pretty knocking bad. Let's call the AHA. Let's get the fire marshal on there and do something about this. Let's be heroes in real life, right? Let's like, let's MCU this episode. How does that sound? You ready, Phil? Yeah, sounds great. These are my favorite, by the way, because like, again, being in New York city, you got a lot of legacy hardware. You've got a lot of folks that are budget conscious. And so maybe they haven't upgraded their reader hardware in a good long time. And, you know, they're probably still using Prox cards, right, super insecure Prox cards, but these are always my favorite because it's like, I wonder what the password is. I wonder which four digits these are going to use. And by the way, it's always one, two, three, four. Like, always 100% of the time. Yeah, they can't even mix it up probably. Never a four, three, two, one. Right, it's some combination of that. And yes, there was a space balls joke in there about your luggage, but for sure, this is like one of the biggest pet peeves of mine. Or my other favorite one is when you see these and it's just one button is really worn out. And you know, it's just that one four or five times and you're good to go. And you can tell it starts with one because I don't know if you guys know this, but you can tell which is the first number because usually it has the most wear because people push it a little bit harder than they probably should. Right. And I realize that they don't need to push it as hard with the next ones. So yeah, there's a little bit more wear on the one. It could have been like four, three, two, one, but my guess is it's probably, it's probably probably one, two, three, four. Yeah. I see your other one there. I was like, why did he put that one up? And then my brain adjusted and there's an extra eight. So now is that an actual extra eight or is that actually a nine? Who knows? The code to get in is actually 911. Good luck. Yeah. No, that's just manufacturing air right there, but it took me a second to see it. You know? Yeah, oh yeah. Like my brain automatically filled a nine into that spot because that's where- 100%, yep, mine too. Took me a minute. I think like these are pretty obvious as well. Like anytime you see a pin pad of sorts, I mean, I always look on like the jam, top jam of the door. Maybe there's a sticky note or someone's like written on a Sharpie and big bold letters. This is the code. I just posted a picture of this exact thing where it's like you've got a whole lock set with like the push buttons and right above is like the code is one, two, three, four, five. It's like, oh, why? Why? Why didn't have it on the door? Right. Or just don't even have a lock on the door then at that point. Like what's the difference? Yeah. If only they like made like these locks where they didn't have a lock on it. Only like there was a lock out there. Yeah, we haven't figured that out though. Passage set. Like that's what they need. They just need a passage lever out there. I think in those scenarios, it's probably like just child proof and child proof only up to like the age of two. That's funny. But overall security wise, pin pads are probably not your best option. People pass around codes. They text it to each other and copy and paste it. People forget about it and write it on the door jam. Security wise, I think this is a fail. Otherwise, I don't know if that's too knocking bad. 100%. In my opinion, the pin code is one rung underneath the prox card. Insofar as they can both be easily copied, duplicated and otherwise compromised. But the pin code is like the most egregious because like you said, once I know the code, you can just assume that everybody else knows the code. Anybody that is related to me is going to know that code at some point because I'm just gonna give it away. I mean, maybe not me in particular, but you know, if that's a residential building, I'm gonna give it to my cleaning service, the DoorDash driver, the Grubhub person, and then before you know it, it's pointless. It's placebo security. I think I would even rather have a key. At least then they need like a physical copy. I mean, they might be able to copy the key but the pin pad is, I would feel like is even below a secure key system. By the way, I would actually advocate going back to that type of key that you just put up there because I don't know if anybody would be able to duplicate that, right? I can go to Home Depot and make a copy of a regular key. Can I make a copy of one of those old skeleton keys? Probably not. That's true. You would have to get pretty tricky with a file. What is old is new again. Actually use that analogy with Indala credentials. I was talking with an end user and they were on Indala. And you know, Indala was like what, 80s or something like that, like forever ago. I'm just getting 80s aren't that long ago. Makes me feel really old. They were a long time ago. It's okay, we can accept it. Yeah, someone born in the 90s can say that I guess. And I said like your credential is so outdated. It's almost secure again, you know? Like people aren't going to be like carrying the right cloning credential for that in Indala. Good old Indala, love it. Remind me again, Benji, what's the scale on this one? Oh, one through 10. And one is like the worst and 10 is the best. Oh, sorry, one's not too bad. 10 is very bad. Okay, so I'll go eight on this one. From a security vulnerability, I'm with you. At least there's something there. But that something is not great. It's gonna keep out strangers on the street perhaps. Yes, maybe, maybe for a short period of time. I'm with you. I think an eight is right about par. Like no life safety codes or anything are being broken here that we know of. But yeah, how about you Mia, what do you think? Yeah, I mean, from a security standpoint, it's really bad, but life safety, we're okay. Oh, I'm not the expert on this. So I've got to go with the experts. So we'll say eight. Not acting bad, but bad enough that it made the list. Okay, are you ready for the next one? I'm ready. You want to be featured on a future episode of Unhinged? You can comment below or email me at Mia at doorhardwarenerds.com.