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So I'm wearing Viori. Just always. Yeah rip-stop represent I mean, I normally am these are the keep it a hundred. I'm gonna tell you what I still haven't found any pair of pants more Comfortable than the joggers the Sunday joggers. Yeah, those aren't the Sunday. These aren't but that these are also extremely comfortable I wear them on the weekends. The Sunday joggers are like I have like 15 bears, bro It's like a feel like it feels like like you're being hugged or something. I don't know It's just so wonderful. Yeah, the joggers massage you my thighs. Yeah, they make incredible quality. I went to where do we go? We went to Valley fair No, not Valley fair. Sorry Santana row and they have a Lulu lemon there Yeah, right and so we walk through or whatever and I see that they have guy stuff and I'm like feeling this material you guys It's too tight. Come on now. I just never know. You know, Viori has their store there now It's not open yet. Yes building it. Oh, is it on the row or is it in the mall on the road on the road They're gonna crush. You're gonna have to make an appearance. They're gonna crush. Do you know by chance? Does it do you know launch date? Do you have any idea? I don't know I can look it up Yeah, could you Google magic that for us, please Google magic those Google fingers Work use duck duck go forget Google. I'm curious. I want to talk to Joe. It's been how long when do we have Joe on here? We had him on here It's been a long time over a year not over a year. I feel like yeah over a year. It feels like it's been over here Well, yeah, we didn't come at all in 2020 Because remember the last time he came he showed all the you shared the analytics and like the scaling of the company I'm so curious. They're crushing. Yeah, they're if you read articles on athleisure wear Viori's always named now like the big Up-and-coming or whatever it just takes that first order. I mean people it's like it's a quality thing You can totally feel the difference of it. Yeah, it makes it makes a huge difference. I like their stuff Yeah, but Santana was getting kind of it's getting busy now again. Have you guys gone in a while? You guys are now you guys are over the hill, so and you're you don't go there anymore Avoid this place ever it lives there. So we go down there once all the visit. Oh, yeah, I ran into him. Oh, you did Yeah, I ran some ones. Oh, I don't know that down there. Yeah. Yeah, we were hanging out and it comes over Hey, it's one of the nicest guys. What a nice dude. I love that right there I tell you what though. He's he's like Peter Pan syndrome for sure Oh, yeah, I say you know 40 years old living living Santana Oh, I still I tell you I tell you what little India sometimes exactly It is attractive. He's handsome When you're married and you have you got you're married and you have a baby Especially and then all the stuff that happens every once a while you think oh, man That guy's got it. Maybe don't you think every every guy though needs or every like married, you know Dad needs that friend so you can like you so you can live vicariously through him a little bit So you don't like a little bit Yeah, I feel like you need to because then you also get to see the drama in the bullshit Yeah, right. Yeah, it's always the Valentine's Day very boring for him You know Christmas the time you don't go talk to that guy is when you get in a fight with your with your wife That's the worst right you get an argument then you go see your friend. You're like damn. Yeah, this guy's living the life Yeah, yeah, the last time you fought with someone like a girl. Oh, I just told her I wouldn't see her again Oh my god, I just got her an uber. What's that like? That's amazing. No, I'm just kidding It is a it's a it's definitely easy to sell. Mm-hmm, but you don't want to buy it It's kind of sad Doug We got any any officers firefighters. I know I've been getting them like crazy. I sent them over to Jerry What do we got going on? Actually do we got officers of the Calgary Police Service in Canada? Thank you for what you do, you know, I'm really hoping with all these shoutouts that the next time I get pulled Seagrally that was my idea Hopefully they love us so much Get pulled over and I'll take pull my mask down. Hey or like play play mine pump I pulls me around. Oh, sorry. Do you want me to turn down the mine pump podcast? Can I just give you a program? Sorry, man, I love your show. Anyway, here's your ticket. Yeah You got too much integrity. That's a good Not when I'm getting a ticket Dude are you guys here that you guys read the report not report the article on what airlines are Toying with right now it popped in my feet, but I haven't had a chance to read it. So please This idea is gonna float like a frickin rock in the ocean. I like it. I think I haven't read it Okay, so I'm excited. They're toying with the idea of weighing passengers because okay, so it's important I got this is not gonna backfire at all. No because the Obviously, they know how many people go on the plane based off of average weight Obviously the weight of your luggage. We all know they make a big deal about that right because it's safety. It's gas It's how they profit right if there's more weight on the plane They make less money because it takes more fuel to whatever. Yeah, so they're gonna weigh people and I think what they're doing first is to kind of get a general idea of how much they're their passengers weigh And then I think they may raise either raise the price of all tickets or discount for being light I don't think you know what that would never that would never go over. I'm going on a cut now Yeah, it doesn't work because Where it's really not fair is the the 250 pound lean guy or girl. Oh, you know I'm saying like that sucks I don't give look at here's a deal and then if you go base off way Then you could technically be someone who's like you could be obese at 150 look here's a deal Imagine if you were in I don't know you're in Vietnam and you're gonna go pay a rickshaw, dude You know those things that the guy yeah, he runs with and he looks at you That's what's called a rickshaw. I think it's called my right. Yeah, that's correct. Doug knows this stuff So imagine you you're about you're about to get in there and the guy looks at you and he goes Oh, man, you're like really heavy. I don't know if I could do you would understand. Yeah fuck I mean, he's he's the one dragging you or he goes, you know, it's gonna cost you a little bit more Yeah, yeah, why oh because it's a lot of work to pull your you know, big old, you know muscle ass or whatever I get it. Look you're paying them to fly you somewhere. It makes sense But now here's here's where I want to go right about how much gas are they actually like, you know In comparison, I'll probably a lot, bro You think well, I mean think about it if you could if you could reduce the weight of every passenger by 10% Imagine what and then times that by how many flights a day that each airline does times that by a year Right, it could be potentially hundreds of thousands of maybe even millions of dollars. It's a competitive market. Their margins are not massive People think oh, they make something. No, they don't they're very competitive And so they're always trying to find ways to do I just see discrimination lawsuits everywhere Yes, and in thin thin privilege It's hilarious well because even before that it was the whole tube you have to buy two seats Because you know your body is too wide. I don't disagree with that. Which no, I don't disagree Yeah, I'm just saying that like like that. That was something that I'm sure there was already lawsuits about that No, I don't try and go Here's the deal when they were doing that when they were saying hey look you're big you need to buy two tickets Yeah, I didn't see any bodybuilders complain right because they would also have to buy two tickets But I think it's cuz they take it differently. You know I'm saying like imagine Adam, right? You're about to get on the plane like hey, you're too big, bro. You got a couple of it. Okay, man. All right Tax on my gains. Yeah, I'm sorry my lats. I know I got to get a ticket for my lats Who did we fly out here that were that requested first-class what bodybuilder? We had a bodybuilder that was like Only fly first-class was it was a Sean Ray bit of a pre-mandana was it Sean Ray No, I don't think it wasn't flex or was it no because flex was here. He's here Oh someone didn't they ended up not coming cuz it was no no they came they still came I think we had a I think it was Sean Ray dude was it I think so it was a mountain dog It wasn't I think it was Sean Ray. I can't remember who it was. Yeah, I do remember that. Yeah, so so so here's where I think first class now. Okay, obviously if you tell people we got away you And right now it's voluntary But at some point if they end up saying we got to make this a mandatory thing We're gonna charge more they're gonna encounter this whole like fat shaming and thin privilege and blah blah blah type of argument Yeah, so here's how I think the airlines are gonna spin it because if you're in the airlines, right? You got to be smart like okay, how do we present this in a way? Where we can't get fucked with because we want to weigh people it makes sense But now people are gonna offend it and whatever so here's here's what I think they're gonna say I think they're gonna pin it on Climate change. I think they're gonna say we're trying to produce less carbon saving Yeah, and and because heavier people make us Companies will spin, you know, I think that's the best way to spin it I'm gonna spin you got people complaining about you know, you're fat shaming us. I gotta spin it to climate change Oh, you know, I'm sorry about that. We're trying to say greater issue. Yes, right? That's my that's what I would It's not a that's not a bad idea if I work for their still thing they're getting I still think you get in the same trouble though I don't know if you get out of this one now right now It's all speculation or is there some people that are piloting this they're piloting it It's gonna be a voluntary thing first to start with so what does that mean? Yeah, exactly like I get on it. Can we weigh you you know? Oh, yeah, and people be like I mean Okay, so if you made it voluntary I don't think heavy people and if they did a thing like this where if you get price reductions That's how I would structure. Yeah, it's a voluntary thing Yeah, based off of like a height a height thing if you weigh under a certain amount you get a discount Yeah, what you do is you roll out like we're charging. We're charging more And you get a discount. Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, you're discriminating. Yeah, it's still disgusting. Yeah, you're so woke That's been privileged Adam the wokest. You so by the way, none of us would get a lot of no way I know we would not get that discount. I do I also wouldn't care what I'm already on the list for Kaiser They're trying to get me in one of those like weight-loss clinics. Yeah, they're after your fat ass. They've been after me, dude, still It's mail I get mail like they're just like when can we see you? This is an important issue Are they now they they're not so you get you get Doug gets the what is it the AARP stuff sent to him all Time and you get you get fat loss stuff. Yeah, see at least he's trying to get discount Yeah, trying to like, you know, is that what is the AARP? Is that what it is, Doug? What's that? What's the thing you start getting when you get old? Yeah, that's AARP. Yeah, you get that a lot a lot Yeah, I started getting that stuff diners club, you know, great cards, which brings us great I do get the discount. Well, this is why we always invite Doug to the movies Which brings us to our newest sponsor. Thanks to Doug depends. They actually We don't work with the pins and Doug doesn't wear depends. Yeah, except for when he's having fun relieve yourself anywhere Yeah, don't have to go to the bathroom anyway, but I think that's gonna be funny if they start wait So here's what I think. I think what they should do is which which this is what I would again is I would just have Because I know this exists They would have cameras that could pretty closely estimate Somebody's weight based off of their size or whatever so that they could get better numbers because this is not gonna fly Dude, there's no way bro. This are weighing people. Yeah. No, you're right I know my high no matter how even if you do think of how self-conscious people are gonna be like, oh my god Yeah, oh my god. We finally are going to Hawaii honey. I'm so excited and then they weigh you and like You'll crash dieting your little heavy Why'd you eat so much on vacation well before I got to the plane Hungry like slaps it out of their head. No, we need to get weighed This ain't gonna fly it ain't working. I don't I don't see it going Dude, I watched the Um that documentary I guess it is like a generation hustle. Yes that you sent over to me last night So I watched almost all those I there's two that I didn't watch. Yeah, I've watched two of them That's all you've watched. Yeah, you have to watch. There's two that I'm gonna tell you scam with a beat Yes, I'm with the beat. I don't watch someone yet, bro That's the one I told you guys about on the podcast Yeah, you we didn't really talk in a detail about it because you because we hadn't seen any of it but I watched it last night and And This fool is on video. Okay, and he's like telling the world through his rap music Yeah, so he makes song. Oh, yeah, so let me back you up a little bit here so there's a there's a whole underground scene and and cultural thing that's happening right now in hip-hop, which is scam rappers and Basically, what they do is they rap about the digital scams that they do and they teach you the techniques They tell you how to do it through the rap Yeah, like how to get credit card numbers how to put them on new credit cards how to get into people's accounts Scams you could do through social media. Wow It's like and the way they explained it is like these kids are not and these are all these kids are you know Obviously in bad situations or whatever Instead of holding people up with guns or selling drugs. They're like, this is easier. It's harder to catch us, right? We're not gonna get shot We're it we're gonna get into the scam business and it's exploding and what this kid does by the way He's smart as fuck the Instagram scam Warning what he is describing right now may be a crime That's what easiest way to make money. Let me think of another one. Okay. Yes, you know, you know as I was watching it I was so Part of me was like enthralled with this kid's like he's a he's a hustler and I don't mean that in the negative sense I mean this kid had he grown up in a different situation He would be a millionaire entrepreneur at some point like he's he's his brain is incredible The way he presents things is very incredible. He obviously grew up in a way that he went kind of the wrong way or whatever His dad was a hustler taught him everything. Yeah, so he went and just built on top of that. It's crazy It was crazy what I saw I mean the idea that these guys are able to and so he gets away with it now Because he's teaching others. There's no there's nothing illegal about doing. Yeah There's anything illegal giving all the tools to do theft or do those things just like you could you could look up online How to rob did he get caught before? No, no, so he's never been kind He's just telling them and now he just tells bro making millions of dollars Scammed his way into a million-dollar record label bought his dad a house all these things and Openly talking about this and what he says on the interview is like you won't be able to figure out who I am Wow He's covered his identity that well that he feels confident enough to sit there on it on a documentary talking to the camera About all these scams. He breaks down this one that I think I forget the name he has names for all these scams He's that we're gonna tell the Instagram one. Yeah, the flights. Oh, bye flights Oh, no, no, so he's like the the interviewer is asking like, you know, give me an example of like scams He's like cuz he's like they work a hundred always hundred percent guaranteed it'll work I could do it right now right in front of you and she's like, okay Well, give me a give me a scam that's easy do it goes. Okay. Go find a Instagram model that has millions of followers Rip all of her all of her pictures restart a whole new account go by for you know 30 50 bucks or whatever costs for fake followers. So you instantly have so you look like you're real So you look like you're real right away within a couple hours You'll already have thirsty dudes that are DM and you and sitting stuff like that Tell them that you will go out to Dubai with them have them buy your plane tickets And then block them and never talk to them again. Yeah He's like bro works every time For he gets all this shit You know what it works so well because if you're that dude you ain't telling anybody no You're not reporting that you got scammed by somebody or you're like fuck you feel embarrassed like I guess Yeah, I deserve it all a lot of this game. She loved me a lot of the scams are exactly that are these things that they work So well because you know the people that get scammed are kind of like fuck. I should have known better They willingly give their money or their information up and so and then the way he justifies it right because they start to question him Like you feel bad and this night is like listen It's I'm taking someone's credit card information if I go out and spend $10,000 on that their credit card that I scanned them out of they report that to their credit card company They get the money back from that. He's like who am I really scamming? Who am I really hurting? So well, okay You know here's you know, there's some there's he's really is Robin. Yeah, and that's no there's an economic trickle-down effect that Yeah credit cards charge higher interest rates, that's right. It's harder to get credit It's harder to to buy things the cost that goes into improving security gets passed down to the consumer So we do pay for it's like nobody pays for it this you're still stealing also But yeah, but it is quite brilliant to see how he does this and again as I watch I'm like fuck if this kid What was the other scam you were thinking right away? It was that one. Oh, it was yeah Yeah, no, I just thought that was he gave another one. I can't remember the other one was but he lays it out in The in the wraps like everything down to like how you how you get onto the dark web What websites what browser and then what he does is he sells these guides? Yeah, like give you specifics So you listen to his rap songs and like oh shit. He's the god of scams He's like buy my you know and he'll name the scam and you'll buy his guides for however much And so that's where he's making his money and check this out. So he's and imagine this like the rap is not even good Right, it's like it's barely. Oh, it's like offbeat Whatever but because he's blowing up and it's this growing thing and so many people are he got He's got record labels in his DMs like crazy trying to sign him because just because he's got so much clout in this In this growing space. Yeah, and so he gets a record deal for like ten million dollars So he sets that up and structures it in a way so that he's legitimate from a record deal And that's what he obviously probably used to buy his dad's house Which by the way he tells at the end of the spoiler alert on this one just still go watch it There's so much in there is he tells him that the record label. That's not even his legit name And he's buying shit with with that that name and everything crazy Well, since we're talking about HBO, you know, it's funny. I was watching. I'm watching this series on Netflix I watched the whole thing things called Jupiter rising. It's a pretty cool superhero Series, but it's got a lot of twists to it. So it's pretty fun And I and I also go on HBO max and watch some of their stuff And and so I had this kind of this thought process of the two ways that these because what's happened now And I remember back in the day when we debated what would happen with with entertainment It turns out that it is moving in this direction where your networks are just gonna pop up They're gonna compete. They're gonna have their own programming Eventually they'll bundle maybe right, but you have lots of different you know Hulu and now YouTube red and you know Netflix that was my theory Justin Sal was the one. I actually thought it was gonna be all a cart like it is Yeah, it's gonna it's just gonna keep growing that way But anyway what we see there's two very distinct models, right? One is the Netflix binge model that drop a series all the episodes The other model HBO does where they trickle the episode So they'll drop one you got to wait till next week before it releases Amazon does that too Yeah, and Amazon does the same thing and I'm like, which one's better like one of them makes me binge You know the other one, you know, it takes a lot lower a lot longer I think the trickle model is better because I noticed that when a series that I like is done on Netflix If there's no other series I'm immediately interested in I stopped visiting right Netflix But because what I like a particular series on HBO I'll keep visiting it to check to see if the episodes up and it just gets me to their site more and in the quality You know, you could you could see the stark contrast of that both approaches You see a higher quality when you're getting it trickled in versus the other one It's again once you consume the whole thing you could do it in a day a lot of these series And so then what's next what's next and it's like, you know They're on they're on the clock to produce that for everybody and it's not always the best Well, I look at it. I like the analogy of it being like food It's just you've got you know fast food and junk food Which is like Netflix and you know stuff that people binge on and just mindlessly eat and then you have like a Fancy $200 steakhouse place that is like, you know, you don't do that every single day and eat like crazy It's something that you enjoy slowly So I kind of look at it like it's there a bunch of now I see it like that Like it's a bunch of different restaurants and it's like what appeals to that person maybe at that time So maybe there's times when you're like, oh, I'm sick and I'm laying around all day Like what a great time to binge on Netflix like a whole, you know, a whole season of something versus. Oh, you know I really this is my show. I watch my wife Friday. Yeah Friday at seven o'clock. So yeah, it's definitely different models It's interesting because what we're seeing right now and this is beautiful, right? Because it's relatively unregulated. So they're just able to compete with each other is they're starting to develop their own flavors They're starting to develop their own, you know, the programming is coming out their brands So you can start to see them compete in this way and it's very interesting like Hulu feels very different than you know Amazon and that feels very different than HBO and it feels very different than Netflix and YouTube and so it's really really cool to watch I'm really enjoying all of this and it's funny people will they'll tell me and especially in the past when I was making that argument Oh, it's gonna be way more expensive. No, it's not. It's only more expensive because you want access to everything The truth is just Netflix just Netflix alone gives me way more Just so many more Options of things to watch then I had five years ago ten years going on You know network we were just talking about this as we can my best friends and I because we all were I don't know If you guys were into I collected like video cassettes when I was a kid, right? We were like and you know your kid buying a you know, $25 video cassette or whatever that would you know I couldn't buy that all the time So I had this collection of like 50 video cassettes when I was like a 16 year old kid or whatever like that And I mean I must have watched like a thousand bucks right there Well, I mean and I must have watched those same, you know, 20 video cassettes million times a million times And I you know can remember every weekend looking at him like which one I'm gonna I haven't watched this one in a couple weeks. I'm gonna watch that one big Lebowski or momentum and I Had so true. I had such a hard time now with all the con there's so much that I find myself There's nothing on you know, there's nothing to watch I feel like there's more that there's more to watch than you ever have before but now still feel like I don't Yeah, so if you spend a lot is because you have access to like a billion things to watch in fact I could see a some I could see a market Like like a market demand for a an effective searching tool or function to find because I could literally If I if I allow myself I could spend 45 minutes Figuring out what and I'm like and it pisses off Jessica. She's like what the we're supposed to watch something. It's spending Yeah, that's the part that irritates. Yes. Yeah, cuz it's like I know there's good shows out there But I don't always know which platform It's on or you know how to find them or it doesn't get the marketing part of it So even with movies like I don't get I don't see trailers for movies anymore because it's like you're just I know This shows on I'm gonna just watch this and it's like you don't really know what else is out there So that I don't know how they're gonna end up handling that in the future. There's a huge demand Well, do you guys have Apple TV or no? Yeah, uh-huh. Okay, so Apple TV does this right? So they've got search different Well, what they so if I go into my Apple TV app it actually has showtime HBO Epics You know, I forget obviously doesn't have prime Netflix as competitors but it has a lot of these other Disney has all of them in there and They all are based off of my algorithm of what I show so I on one home page I can see like the five trending things on showtime that would appeal to me I can see like the five things on Disney that would appeal to me So, I mean they're getting the very you're getting very sophisticated with the algorithm Yeah, but it's still not it's still not like great, right? I feel like at some point It's gonna be more like social media where you're gonna connect to people that you have similar likes to Yeah, and then based off of other people's recommendations like I know for certain types of films Justin is gonna give me good advice like if I want to watch sci-fi and Alice Justin Justin What's a good news? I like I'll trust his review versus some random person, right? I feel like there's a lot of value there. I don't know how they're gonna make a social interactive thing I'm sure there's something demand for that for sure. I'm sure there's some you know I want to know is So and I don't know if there's other how many of these these streaming services are doing this But we talked to on one of the last episodes. We talked about how much we trust the the reviews and I just watched something that had you know 4.5 and it was awful and instead of had a thousand reviews There is no way that that thing got so I'm wondering now too is how many these these places are starting to hack that and pay for Positive reviews. That's what I mean Like it could be a bunch of kids that are watching this thing or people that I that I don't have similar like like Netflix does did you see that top 10 and then I'm looking I'm like did you see yeah for who did you guys see that post that? Robert Argers did the other day about the top 10 on Netflix no He it said the it was a meme and it said nothing makes me feel more disconnected in our society than the top my top 10 Listen, yeah, that's how I thought I was like I remember going on there I'm like these are not what I would write I watched a movie on Amazon paper tigers I think it was it's like a martial art comedy or whatever I saw it and the trailer was like maybe go It's gonna either suck or it might be funny. It might be actually good. The review was great It got great stars or whatever on Amazon So I freaking rented that shitty ass movie and I only watched half of it because my hard-headed nature is like It's gonna get better. So that's exactly okay. No, it didn't get that was Amazon, right? Yes So that okay, that was one okay There was like three paper tigers and then this I forget the name of this other one that I watched and all of them had 1,000 reviews and they were like 4.5. I almost watched that one I chose the other one and the other one was terrible too Yeah, so something's going on with Amazon with their reviews on their movies Saying that they're ranked way better than what they really are because I watched You just now confirmed that the other one I almost watched that had high reviews that I was like this does not look that good That's what I mean that I feel like there's such a like there would be a at some point We're gonna see a game changing Algorithm or way of recommend because seriously there's fatigue there's search fatigue almost like a streaming guide like a you know There's somebody that that sort of either it's a person that has a podcast or has like it just devoted to that Oh, like exclusively or something like that. That's actually popular. There's a lot of podcasts. That's what they do Yeah, that's all they do is you guys remember TV guide remember that yeah, that's how you found shit back Yeah, dude. Well even just okay, so some of these like so spectrum I guess is like one of those kind of like Hulu things, but it's like super old-school, but you know There's something to just staying in one place and then like scrolling scrolling Oh, yeah that and it has all the networks listed out like it's easier Mentally, you know, there's something to that you guys got to watch. I know it's animated I think I brought it up, but I'm gonna say it again Mitchell versus the machines you have to watch it Did you guys like spider-man into this the spider you verse or whatever? I like that cartoon. Yeah Yeah, okay really smart right really creative really entertaining Mitchell versus the machines. I promise you you'll watch it You'll love it. What's it on? What's what? It's on Netflix. Oh, it's Netflix and it's the same creators some of the spider-man into the spider-verse or what? Oh, yeah, you know, I like that really really well made it was really really So that that zombie movie I brought up the other podcast was Zach Snyder. So the one that but it sucked Dude, I'm hey, sorry, and he got all these good reviews. I'm like get out of here with those reviews like honestly Like I mean it was high, you know budget they they they went all out and and there was violence and all that kind of stuff But it just was like you'll see if you watch it and you don't listen to me. That's fine Speaking of algorithms and stuff like that. I just read this like study I you know, sometimes I think to myself Who the fuck is funding some of these studies? I don't understand But anyway, there was a study on AI and the the the paper essentially was like when AI gets like really intelligent How are humans gonna compete with AI and at the end of the study the result is AI is gonna kick our ass It's just I always think to myself like why are you funding stupid shit like this? Like what's the next study gonna be? Thanks, you know We did we actually spent a million dollars to see what would happen if we put our hand in the fireplace and It burned it burned our hand. Yeah, so write that down according to this The authors are like, yeah, they would out compete us and pretty much anything and because they're smarter and they they don't run out of energy I'm like, oh, yeah, no shit. Is that gonna you guys think it's gonna happen in our lifetime Are we gonna see I mean are we gonna like go into like places to go shopping? And it's gonna be like all AI that's serving you and taking care of you I think it'll be different than what people think I think I think they're gonna sort of contain They're gonna try it really hard to contain AI so that way it has like different industries and different aspects where that's its exclusive knowledge is like, you know within to make everything more efficient, you know With shipping or to make everything, you know, like again what we're talking about with the streaming service Maybe there's an AI that just like, you know figures you out and then presents it to you specifically that's what I think too I think when people hear AI they automatically think of like I robot or like Terminator. Yeah, they think of that but that's not where like we're like we're building towards AI within this business Right. So on the back end of the business, we have, you know, the CRM It's called HubSpot and right now, I mean, we've been doing this for the last year and a half now where every time we have questions We gather that we we template it out and you know, we start to categorize like all these similar type questions so that in the future Somebody could literally just type in and then AI can respond to them like oh try this or maybe this or maybe that And if we get enough of this data, it should be really accurate to what that person's searching for with all the content I think we're gonna see a lot of weird stuff in our lifetime for sure because the the rate of advance You're right the rate of advancement is accelerating Yeah, so, you know 10 years now is what you you know 20 years used to be in terms of Change and innovation. I mean come on. Let's the iPhone. What was the iPhone first launched? When was the first one dug was it was look that up for me You know that he almost didn't do that too, right? What the launch of the iPhone Steve Jobs did not want to do a phones You know that you know originally that that was it was the way they convinced him was that Microsoft was doing tablets and let's make a competitive tablet that basically can also make calls But he didn't want to get into the phone business. What so whatsoever 2007, right? So this you know 13 14 years ago The first iPhone like like look how far and how much that that particular phone or smartphones has changed society In that short of a period of time. It's insane. Yeah, so I think we're gonna see shit like that I think the biggest the first one that's gonna blow everyone's mind in terms of how much it changes society Really? No, I I think yes, but I don't think that's gonna happen before Self-driving car when you bring up stuff like that I always think about what what happened because of things like that So you guys know that at the same time blackberry was a 50 or a 70 billion dollar company Yeah, and then just gone gone like literally gone because of something some innovation like that comes in makes it This is why I'm not worried about companies that crush and everybody's so afraid of them. Oh my gosh They control everything like the only thing I don't like is when government creates barriers around them to subsidize it But if they're can't fail, but if they're in the market I'm like well, okay good for them But you know like you did you brought that up the other day about the Forbes the top 500 companies Mm-hmm. How many of them are still there? You know 40 years later. That's right It'll turn over it'll turn over so but I think that the self-driving cars will be the first big like massive change everything event And then from there we'll see you know, we'll end up seeing what happens. Well speaking of technology, so I We're I'm always curious and have been paying attention to a lot of fitness trackers and all that kind of stuff You know forever and I never bring up Strava because Strava is a little bit more, you know specifically to cyclists and runners But I ran across this article and it was talking about, you know, kind of a crazy thing that happened because Strava allows you to you know map your runs and they have sort of like a heat map on the globe of Like where you've been and like everybody's kind of competing with whatever run that you've done before So I guess like that a lot of people in the military use Strava And so like and it's all taking all this data and all the stuff So they got in trouble because it was revealing, you know some secret bases in different locations where maybe you know That country didn't even know, you know, we had troops in so oh Yeah, so that became like an immediate like oh Big problem. Wow, you know, you just made me think of is what a great strategy by another country To you know figure things out just create an app that people use and now you gather information on them And it's all through just selling a product I wouldn't be surprised that already happens. Just like when we changed our face to being old Russian why Strava wise I've always hated that name. It sounds like a coffee shop. It doesn't sound like a running app Do you know where the name comes from by chance? What does Strava mean? Doesn't it sound like a coffee shop to you? That's what it doesn't sound like a running. I'll have a Strava. She doesn't It sounds like that to me. I don't know why I think that we're just talking shit about Doug, what do you think it comes from the Swedish word strive? I like it. Yeah Works, I still don't like it. Yeah, I still sell that coffee to me Yeah, do you guys ever hear a word or a name that you don't like but then because it's spelled a certain way you like it? All of a sudden this this happening this morning or what well I was talking to a friend of friend of mine They're gonna have a baby girl and they were talking about names that they want to name the baby and Margo was one of the names now I don't necessarily sorry if your name is Margo, okay, but it's not I was I don't know if I like that name So I'll hate you, but then they said but then I realized that they're spelling it m a r g o t I'm like, oh, I like the way that looks now. I like the names ever happen. You guys Margo yeah, yeah, are you guys like that? Am I the only weirdo you are definitely weird? I mean maybe I just think of examples Yeah, like we're adding a letter all said makes you like it just the the aesthetic of the way it looks Makes it, you know, yeah, no You're all alone on this conversation You know when I met Jessica when we first started dating she had a she's gonna be so embarrassed She had a notebook of words that she just she would like a word like the way it looked and she's right now Oh, bro. It's this is one of the reasons why I fell in love with it. Really? Oh, yeah You like words Does she write tree or anything? Um, she's written a lot stuff in the past But she's like me we both kind of weird with that kind of stuff and I like the way certain words Well, some of them like sound eloquent and you know, I always pay attention like somebody like a Jordan Pearson that uses words I'd never heard. Yeah, I'm like, oh my god. I gotta remember that they never do. Yeah, cuz it's just no I when I listen to him talk, I always have like my notepad out I'm like, I gotta write I gotta look that up later because I have no idea what you said Yeah, it's almost every time I listen to that man speak He says a word that I have never heard before but then you'll get somebody like as an example What's that guy's name that the the English? comedian who's like very like Russell Forget his brand Russell brand. Oh, yeah, who just his whole thing is to try and push in all these eloquent words And then you're like what the fuck you talking about, you know, the whole thing just sounds like this whimsical, you know Diarrhea of words. Yeah, no, I know exactly. No, that's I mean, that's annoying when someone does It took you 20 seconds to say something that would take you five condense that now that's when it's annoying when words are used effectively I think it's awesome. It's very attractive. It's it's it's great But when you're just doing it to make a word salad because you know, I want to tell you that I'm going to the bathroom But I end up telling you this big freaking story. You know, you know who the fitness space does this? You're you're the academics. Yes, the academics in our space love to take something sniffing their farts Abduction of the humorous and the horizontal plane is flexion of the pectilorus major like what all you had to say was bring your arms together Bro, are you serious? Like that's what you did. Did you really need to say that? I like how many percent how many people really understood what you said know your audience Yeah, no, you know the only time you know, it's funny the only time all though that Terminology and Latin and all that stuff when I was doing a doctor when I had a doctor or somebody in my field that had a Higher education than me. That was my way of letting you know like hey, I know I know what I know Stuff to case you're wondering. That's I had a lot of doctor clients at one point and then I'd be like cool I get to use this. That's the only time that's the only time they were like, oh, yeah No, you know the Iraq you have to be able to have like you I ended up getting corrected actually Adam You're using that incorrectly That's that's not the attachment That's actually insertion what the hell's going on. No, you see that in fitness because the academics Who create the studies that are valuable? They I think that they over they overestimate their own values Who are your favorite communicators in the fitness space when you think of people that you like Joe to Franco does yeah No, I was gonna say Joe to Franco Joe to Franco knows his him and in Smitty his partner, right with their CPS Yeah, they know their shit better than almost anybody. Okay when it comes to biomechanics Movement presentation, but when they present it they're doing away so that it's effective So they're not just trying to sound smart. They are but they do in a way that Joe does that really well I think Mike Matthews does this really well, too Mike does a good job Mike's a very very intelligent guy well read and I think that he's not a fitness academic though necessarily it's not his He learns a lot on his own, but he's not I mean that just did though I mean I think for somebody who doesn't have 20 plus years in the fitness space Oh impressive. He communicates as if he did, you know, so I think he's also just generally a very intelligent Great communicator period right so even if we're even if we're I'm talking economics with him or politics with them He's a good communicator. I would say PJ performance. Oh, yeah He's very very clear and concise, but like brings up a very You know complicated subject matter and has the studies and everything to back it Yeah, who are you it's like who you're talking to are you talking to a classroom full of you know PhD students in which case you talk a certain way or are you talking to the average person who's trying to get them to Improve their fitness in which case like use the right language speaking of Mike. I gotta apologize Doug for stealing your pre-workout over there So I found out afterwards. I got home and Katrina Katrina like always has like this bag of stuff I'm supposed to bring back to the studio where there's gonna get to Jerry or somebody else And she's like you need to go return this to Doug. I'm like why he can get his own She's like that was his like he specifically Asked for the non-stem green apple to be shipped to the studio and I don't I don't even like the non-stip I just saw the green apple and I just grabbed it because it's my other favorite flavor So I he actually has the best non-stimulant Pre-workout that a dog loves it. Yeah, I love it. It's amazing. Yeah, the challenge with non-stem is you still want to feel Something from it. Yeah, like I'm not just taking it to taste it You know fruity drink or whatever I'm taking it because I want to have improved performance I want to notice a little bit more focus, but it's traditionally the way you do that is with stimulants like caffeine But he's done it with the formula. That's it. You know, it's got alpha gpc He's got some other beta alanine in there and some other things and you actually do get this kind of energy boost But without the without the stimuli now Doug Do you do you only use the non-stem or do you back and forth like what's your coffee only the non-stem when I use a Pre-workout so I've been kind of going back and forth between that and element as my pre-workout Okay, yeah, I don't mix it you know, you could drink element during your workout You don't have to do it. It was a pre-workout. Just drink. Well, no, I do I do it during my workout. Oh, I see, okay Or both I mean for that. That's not something that conflicts at all. Oh, what if you mean mixing them together? No No, not like literally mixing together Yeah, well at least in that formulation you get benefits from but like say you're just doing it with decaf coffee or something Like that you're gonna have to like convince me. That's like, you know, that's That's a big decaf coffee guy. Where's the benefit there? But if I do the regular pre-workout, I use half the dose Oh, so you will sometimes sometimes very rarely, but when I do when somebody takes your non-stem. Yes Deals it You are too. Yeah, you got your less. I'm less sensitive than he is easy of a more Doug I'm very sensitive Doug goes over 150 milligrams or something. I remember this from when I used to train him He would it would affect his sleep and he would start to feel shaky or whatever like less performance. Yeah Yeah, and that's good to know about yourself because I you know, you read studies on caffeine Improves performance is very effective. Not if you have if you're too sensitive I was it does the opposite I was in denial about it for a long time because I like caffeine so much and it makes me feel Good while I'm drinking it like not realizing how much it was affecting my sleep and stuff Like it took me a while to like really do yeah, yeah real tough for me to like look you look at myself in the mirror and go like Hey, you know what? That's probably because I had three of those drinks today Caffeine's a drug man and you need to be know this about yourself like my dose just does this It just slowly creeps up and then I got to bring it down which sucks And if I don't pay attention to that I'll be living on high caffeine all the time and having these afternoon crashes That's what happens, right? I'll get the spike and then by two o'clock almost So do you cycle the the non-stem with the the regular caffeinated pre-workout or do you go? You know pre-workout and then no pre-workout like how do you cycle okay? So there's two options that I can do one is I go from caffeine And I wait until my dose gets up to about 300 for me that the threshold 300 once I start needing 300 milligrams That's when I start to sit back on for Justin. Those that are wondering Justin's like 300 an hour. Yeah Just as like when I had to start buying it by the pound that's normally when I start to back off a little bit starts Yeah, he keesters it now apparently faster absorbing when I get really dark circles in my eyes No, so so for me it's 300 milligrams for other people. It's it's obviously a different dose But once I get up to that I have two options one is cold turkey Fucking so if I go cold turkey, I feel irritable Which is so weird to me because you don't go very high I feel like I feel like I can cut cold turkey and I go higher than you do. Yeah, no I don't like the way I feel I feel shitty. I feel unmotivated. I don't feel happy It's literally like us sucks after about four or five days of that Then I start to get back to normal then I start bringing it back in I have magic Now the reason why I typically don't do that is I hate dealing with that four or five days We got to come in here and podcast and work and I got my kids and it's like God It makes everything just suck So what I typically do is I just start to I bring it down by about 50 milligrams or 100 milligrams a week So I'll go 300 250 200 150 100 then I'll stay at 100 then I'll start bringing it back Yeah, I just I bring the cups down like an all real, you know being real like I do I do sort of taper it off when I Start to feel I get like a TMJ where I'm just like I'm just always like No, it's not from that Blowjobs Get out of that one Adjusting and bringing it down and Then but I reintroduced it's just kind of a cycle. Okay, so do you know what your milligram top is? I know we said a thousand I go by cups, okay, so He's like I have three cups it varies. It's like that that lady used to train that would have like a glass of wine That was like a goblet. Yeah, like that's what I okay So let's let's get into this for a second. What is how big is the cup typically? Okay? So the first one I mean is pretty normal like if let's say it's two shots of espresso. Oh, that's it Yeah, okay starts off with regular cup. Okay, and then which is what okay? Let's count the milligrams two shots about a hundred and twenty five Okay, and then I get into my nitro which is You know, that's got a you know ramp up to what like 300 and what size is that the ground day? So 20 oh holy shit. Yeah. All right, Doug. Look that up. Look up caffeine in a Grande nitro or that I'm gonna entities. I'm gonna guess that's less 300 it's probably 300 milligrams 250 to 300. I would say 350 is what I would okay 350 Okay, so now we're up to 500. We got 500. So we're close to 500. Okay, so then I'll come in You know if I feel in like I need more I'll do another one another nitro. Yeah, same size same size. Oh That's nothing. All right. Anyway, that's okay. We're warming up. Hold on a second here. Let's see what it is Okay, okay. We can back you down a little bit. So 280 plus 125. So let's say 120, right? So you have 400 okay plus another one. So that's in the two ways today at 680, okay? Okay, and then some days I'll even add an energy drink on that like a rock star. Yeah, right No, no, these are too. These are like to 250. Okay, just has one down. So you're getting like 900 milligrams. Yeah I told you now. Here's what the audience doesn't know before you go try doing this and killing yourself Please don't do this Justin doesn't have did you have like your adrenal gland or one of them moved? Yeah I have one of them gone And I blame Adam He introduced me to speed stack The company guess what it worked. Yeah, but I'm paying the price Completely Adam's like look how bad do you want to be number one here? Like you would actually have them ready. Yeah Okay, you know it was in the speed stack. Yeah, 200 milligrams of caffeine 25 milligrams of a fedra alkaloids They had a bunch of other like aspirin in there. Yeah Also, so it's easy like a fruit and all kinds of shit Got me going and you drink what three four day that's a two three. Yeah, it depended Yeah, and I would do coffee if federal was the jam, dude I tell you what man you kids have no idea if federal was drugs. No, you know, we're laughing about this But it's a good conversation. You got tumor under the tree. No, I mean we're joking all joking aside I think that was there before but I got sucked into this because because there's all the research around caffeine is Pretty positive. You know, it's true. Yeah, what you see today There's not a lot of stuff now There was some stuff in the past where they tried to like scare you into thinking that oh caffeine is bad for you And then that stuff came out to counter and say oh, there's like positive health benefits because it kind of tied in with cigarettes Yes, right? So, you know most of the stuff that I was reading in my 20s related to caffeine It was like, oh, no, look at I could I've referenced the study look it says it's great for you to have this And so just quickly justified, you know the addiction going up and up and up So not really thinking about some of the side effects of that dog Why don't you look up? How many there's a healthy way to use how many you emergency room visits are due to caffeine? You know what it kills a lot of people Because you look at the studies, but what they don't tell you is the other side of it If you caffeine is a fucking drug It's got it'll definitely kill you if you have too much right can cause heart arrhythmias It can mess up your hormones especially in women when I would train a client Female with hormones all over the place one of the first things I would do is start to lower and then reduce And this is where that whole power remember when when they came out with like powdered Caffeine and powdered alcohol like what a terrible fucking idea. What does this say Doug? 1592 single exposures to caffeine containing energy drinks in 2018 with six outcomes But no deaths and then and no deaths and then the AA's PCC also reported 200 2849 single exposures to caffeine as a street drug Those are these are caffeine overdose numbers. Okay, you got some kind of trench coat. Just you know, but no deaths Okay. Well, it's hard. How do you how do you like okay? I had a heart attack I died of heart attack, you know, was it though caffeine really pushed that over the edge. Who knows? I mean, I'm not that's a great tough one here to your draw in there. Come on. You can't do that Well, I mean, okay says zero, bro. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you're fine, Justin Back up we're gonna be the number one podcast Motivated like it does kind of fuel that there you go right there energy drinks send thousands to the ER each year Yeah, but you know what I guarantee a lot of those if not, they're freaking out Yes, I remember when I had three speed stacks and six of those a fedra Hydroxycut pills and I remember like I mean I could I've my my eyeballs were like shaking and my hands were shaking And it's like three in the morning and I'm staring at my ceiling like that. That's not a bad reason Your heart is gonna come out. Yeah, that's not a bad reason to go to hospital. Well, that's what I'm saying There's a lot of people that and I was fine. I lived I lived I didn't sleep till like another day Let's look up how many people went to the ER because of an edible. Yeah, I mean come on like it Look you guys saw what happened to me Like that freaked me out like I know that there was like that one famous call with with the cop You're listening and you've never heard that that's like worth it You know your five minutes of edibles won't kill you the cop the cop I'll tell you what right now. I would I would overdose on almost any other drug than an edible. Oh, that doesn't it's scary That is a terrifying situation. Yeah. Hey, I hope you're enjoying this podcast real quick Head over to mind pump free calm check out all the free stuff that you can get we'll give you all kinds of free things Only on that site mind pump free calm. All right. Enjoy the rest of the podcast Our first caller is Nicole from New Jersey. Hey Nicole. How can we help you? Hi guys? Thanks so much for having me I'm a huge fan. I'm super excited to talk to you. So my question is actually about my core I've always struggled with like tightening up my core and strengthening my core and just my stomach area in general whenever I train So I just wanted to ask what I can start to incorporate in my routine and in my programming to really help me strengthen my core and Just like tighten up that tummy area. Okay now when you say okay, so strengthening You know we can we'll get to that but when you say tightening up Do you mean leaner or do you mean it's just not like you know sculpted or strong feeling? Little bit of both definitely leaner like aesthetically, you know, but yeah, I do feel like Strengths to like I really want to like make it strong just to help with like all my other lifts Like I just know that if my core is just stronger It will help improvements with so many of the other things that I do when I train, right? Okay, so when it comes to strength It's like training into the any other body part now the core has got some of its own unique challenges Technique and form is always important for every exercise, but when it comes to the core It's especially important because a lot of core exercises involve Bringing the body forward like folding forward. Well, we can do that without really activating the core properly You can also do a lot of exercises that you normally do for other body parts Incorporate a core stability component. This is where a physio ball can come in handy. So a physio ball you can use for Dumbbell rows or seated presses or other exercises where you're kind of forced to engage the muscles of the core As far as training frequencies concerned Well, I would do, you know good decent workouts for the core a few days a week And then incorporate stability in the other workouts when you're training the rest of your body Well, there's a couple things here one. I would also recommend stomach vacuums I think that's incredible exercise, especially if you're trying to get the the flat stomach look Then there's the other thing that I've shared this on the podcast a long time ago. I haven't talked about this in a long time when I fell out of shape I was a 20% body fat and When I leaned all the way down to 7% which was the leanest I'd ever been in my life I was left with this like Bottom pooch that my clients used to tell me about that that was so stubborn for them to lose that I had never experienced this Joey that's what we call it is and I was I was blown away that I had this I was like this didn't make sense to me. I'm leaner than I've ever been in my life Even leaner than what I carried myself in my teens and 20s yet I had this like, you know, body fat that was sticking around in my in my lower abdominals and It was really frustrating that I had been this low and still that well what I found was I went on like a little bulk a hell of like a You know a good bulk. I wasn't a dirty bulking I just added calories and put some weight on and then I went back down and cut again then I bulked again and then cut it and it took about three times of cutting and going lower than I'd ever been before to actually finally get that to go and To eliminate that and it's also one of the first places that it comes back when I put body fat on So what I have found sometimes with my clients is they they had that same stubborn area that they're just they're frustrated with Even when they feel like they're in shape everywhere else They've got this lower bit of body fat They don't seem to get rid of and sometimes that's we just we need to take the body to a new level of lean Is that they've never seen so that it taps into that utilizes that and then gets rid of it And so it did take me a few times of cutting before I actually eliminate all that one more thing I wanted to add I've noticed too with with some of my clients that have you know really tried to emphasize You know the flat stomach and how that looks and everything else have been also noticed Noticeably had an anterior pelvic tilt And and you know an arch in their back and if that's something too that you know just posturally If you're more conscious of that and more intentional with the way you carry yourself and engage your core and brace Properly, you know, that's something to just aesthetically You know focusing on that will actually like help a lot in terms of like, you know You're feeling like you're presenting yourself. Yeah at the end of the day I would train the core a few days a week. I would do maybe you know two exercises each workout Every day you could do a little bit of core if you wanted to do the core stability movements And then when it comes to the body fat, you know Like what Adam was saying the first place that you store body fats always the last place that you're gonna lose it So when people say it's stubborn really, it's just the last place your body decides to burn body So it'll get lean everywhere else except for its preferred area of storage Which just means you got to get even leaner to get it off and at which point sometimes you got to ask yourself I mean do I really want to get that lean, you know a little bit of body fats Okay, especially for women they can get so lean that their their hormones get thrown off The metabolism really starts to get affected negatively in the pursuit of this, you know Body fat percentage that really isn't that healthy So you also want to you know, make sure that you're doing this to the right way and that you're you know That you've got a good relationship with your body Yeah, absolutely. No, that's super helpful It just is always like I see my body changing and leaning out in so many other areas like pretty quickly Which has been great But that's just the one area and I probably don't train it enough So that's definitely helpful and I definitely do not do enough of this capability type movement and in my training. So that's that's great to know and very helpful. Awesome. Thank you, Nicole Thanks for calling. Thanks guys Yeah, it's that it's that you know, we all have that one area Yeah, you know that just like for me my shoulders arms and legs. I mean, they're always lean I could get my body fat pretty high and I'll have shoulder striations. He's like My gut in my love handle area that that's where I'll store it So I understand I have to get really This for that to go away, you know, I talk about Yeah, we haven't talked about this actually in a long time on the podcast I know I shared it a lot earlier, especially when I was going through it But this was one of those there's been many things that when I when I went through the whole, you know Cutting down that lean right you're getting ready for like competing and stuff What it taught me or what it helped me to be a better coach And this was something that I had heard so many times from clients But had never really experienced it myself, which is that you know, Adam I feel like I'm really lean, but then I just can't get rid of this lower body You know lower pooch and I had never seen that on myself until I did this and I was like, what the hell This doesn't make sense. I'm seven percent body fat. I see I'm more vascular I'm leaner than I've ever been in my life yet I still got this body fat and it did it took about three times of pushing the levels of how lean I was before it finally like Eliminate a couple interesting things too about that is hormones can affect fat storage. So high stress situations You'll see sometimes more visceral body fat and also You know body fat storage, you know preference of the body might make you good at some things and worse it does So what I mean by that is what you tend to see with high-level female athletes Is they tend to store more body fat in their midsection than the average female now? It's not because they play sports. It's just their genetics But it's beneficial for sports because if you do store body fat You don't want to on your limbs if you're running moving and in doing activities Now the reason why women store in the lower body to begin with typically is because it's a lower center of gravity And when they have a pregnant belly it balances them out Obviously if they sort everything in the belly and they were pregnant it would make them very very unstable So so body fat, you know the way you body stores body fat definitely can get affected by hormones your your Sex at birth affects it as well But I mean largely, it's your genetics and so if you see a part of you That's not getting lean like you want you might need to just get leaner I also really like Justin's advice too about the posture because this was something that I didn't piece this together until later And because I have that too right I have the you know Instagram, you know, right, you know But but position going on right the arch and look back. Yeah low low back and it's actually very common, right? Most clients suffered from this whether how how excessive or not But when you're in that position where your your your your low back is arched like that sticking your butt out It does it sticks the belly out and just by you rotating the pelvis and activating your core You see like your stomach flat now just from that. So I think that's a great point, too Right. Our next caller is Matt from Pennsylvania. Hey Matt. How can we help you? Hey guys first of all, I discovered you guys like two months ago and I've been I've been watching you all over and all the time and Like my YouTube feed is only mine pump and nothing else. So I really appreciate what you guys doing. Thank you. All right So I'm originally from Slovakia and I played basketball from the very young age till I was about 22 And I always had a problem to gain some muscles obviously because I was running a lot there a lot of cardio and I Stopped doing sports at all when I was about 22 and I moved to US. I I I ate very bad I ate a lot of junk food because I thought that I just came can't gain weight So I wasn't paying attention at all and then in a span about in a span of like two or three years I gained like 60 pounds and I was I'm like 64 65 and When I was playing I was like 180 190. I couldn't go over 180. So I changed my diet I stopped eating junk and trying to avoid sodas and stuff like that and I went down to like 210 and now I'm at 210 For like two or three years I've been doing some Like whole body workouts three days a week, but I can't stay consistent and now I'm moving back to my country to Slovakia and I know that because I'm gonna be working from noon till Evening basically so now I know that I have that window from morning to noon what I can start working out and not pay attention to my diet so basically my question was I want to start one of your programs and I wanted to know which one would you guys recommend and I have two little kids. So that's why I couldn't stay consistent for the whole time So first of all, I would like to know which one would you guys recommend? What should I be focusing on during the? That the program you guys would recommend and then What should my main main focus be as a as a hard gainer? Yeah, okay good good question So I'll give you three tips that generally will give you the biggest bang For your buck right in other words these three things will make a pretty big difference for you number one Is gonna be to follow maps anabolic that program was specifically designed for people Who really want to build muscle who might find it challenging with other workout programs now in maps anabolic It recommends two or three foundational workouts a week for you do three foundational workouts a week That means you may alternate workout one and workout two and some of the phases But then on the off days right on the days in between it's very important You do at least two or three trigger sessions as explained in the program those make a huge difference I think sometimes people skip those because they still get great results with the program But they're missing out because the trigger sessions are very very valuable now second piece of advice I'm gonna give you is gonna be to eat Eat more than you think okay So you want to eat yeah a lot of calories eat foods that are easy to digest because you don't want to encounter the Bloat or digestive issues that can sometimes happen with eating a lot of calories So pick foods that digest very easily of course eat a lot of protein But you're gonna have to jump your calories up, especially if you're a hard gainer Probably more than you think and then the third thing would be to supplement with creatine creatine's gonna Benefit you quite a bit in the muscle department and again with maps at a ball like what you're focusing on is building General strength. I mean the bottom line is this if you get stronger Consistently over time and you feed your body. You're gonna build muscle. That's just the bottom line Matt How how active are you in comparison to back when you were playing basketball and the job that you're starting? That's a noon noon on what's yeah, and that's what I forgot to mention So I'm sitting at the office and I'm pretty inactive on it. I mean on the weekends I'm active because we go out with the kids and but during the day I'm sitting in the office and Yeah, those days I'm inactive when I work out when I work out three times a week I would I would consider that active but I'm not really active in the days when I don't work out and I forgot to mention also that at home I'm doing my like a home gym or whatever it is So I'm gonna have a squad wreck and barbell plates. I have some dumbbells and the resistance band So that's just this is what I perfect. So that's perfect for maps and a ball like I'll add one little thing So first of all, I mean for a hard-gainer the new sedentary job will probably work in your favor a little bit So, you know, this is very similar to my story I played basketball for a long time and I was always moving around and burning calories like crazy and When I finally switched to a job where I was sedentary It may not be the best for overall health But it definitely helped me when in the hard-gainer department because I was burning so many calories I had to eat 5,000 a day, which I'm sure you know eating that many calories with all from healthy calories is tough to do where you now being in a More sedentary job that'll probably help you out But I also would take that just to make sure this is where I see a lot of value in like Step counters or Fitbits or if you have an Apple watch or whatever is kind of track track your activity level and make a Conscious effort on the days that you find yourself. I use you mentioned weekends. You tend to be more active So I don't know if you still play pick up ball or you go do physical active things here and there But during the COVID I was enabled so okay So so it so you start tracking your movement and really use it not to get hung up on the exact numbers that it Says calories burned or how many steps But so just to get an idea of what a very active day looks like for you compared to a very Sedentary day and then make a conscious effort to boost the calories on those active days That will also help you but other than that I would follow the maps in a ball program to a tee and in just for My own question. Have you ever done any? Specific exercises where you've limited it down to one to five reps and that was your entire focus Yeah, I'm pretty sure I did but for the past couple of years I've been doing like a full body workouts and I live in the apartment complex where we have a gym But we don't have a barbell. So they pretty much what I was doing was a lot of dumbbells body weight works And some gym rings. I love gym rings So I did that I bring that up just because like I know a lot of the tendencies for athletes and people like myself is to really You know keep going and the rest periods are really tough to you know stick and lean into that so To go through especially that first phase of anabolic and stick to that protocol You know and limit yourself, you know to those five reps And really just focus on you know grinding your way through that but then going through those rest periods, you know Trust the process with that and really really try to challenge yourself not to keep going ahead and pushing yourself Matt if you don't have maps at a ball like we're gonna send that to you right now, okay? Oh There's a thanks so much. No problem. Thanks for calling Matt Yeah, you know that this in you your question was great Justin because now it's kind of revealing how he's been working out, right? Body weight and dumbbells. Yeah, which is sense, which is it'll build muscle It's built some muscle on him But if you really want to pack on the mass, he's gonna have to really build strength barbells are great Yeah, I'm so glad you asked that because I almost Recommended away from anabolic because I thought maybe he was following something very similar to anabolic originally originally He's like, oh three day a week full body routine. I'm like, okay. That's very man anabolic ass Maybe we'll put put him like in power lifter a different direction But knowing that he was doing body weight dumbbell work He's missing out on one of the best parts of anabolic which is phase one, which is a barbell strength heavy heavy Phase that new stimulus is gonna provide quite a bit and he'll be shocked what that does Yeah, our next caller is Sandy from Florida. Hey, Sandy. How can we help you? Hey, how are you good? Hey, um, so I have kind of a two-parter question I'm currently running the maps aesthetic program and My question is on the focus days if I want to build my legs more Should I do it on more than one focus day? Yeah, you could definitely do that You could definitely do all the focus days specific to You know one or two body parts to add more volume to your workouts But you know, here's the uh, here's the other thing too a lot of times and we hear sometimes we get this from women Well, they'll follow maps aesthetic or maps anabolic and they'll say A lot of you know, it's a more upper body work than lower body work Here's why you may have seen that way with with certain programs If you're doing x amount of volume per muscle group Then when you look at the upper body you have biceps triceps shoulders chest and back with the lower body You have quad ham and glutes, right? So that's three three body parts So the reality is the volume is is equivalent. It's just that there's fewer muscle Muscle groups in the lower body. I mean even if you add calves You still have less so consider that as well because what I have seen from people is that they feel like Oh, I got to do more volume. I see they add more volume without following the program believing that it's going to get them there faster and really it's all about the the effective dose and the effective dose is It's it's perfect, right more than that you get there slower less than that you get there slower but again maps and maps aesthetic includes Focus session days that allows you to add volume to whatever body parts that you want to train I mean, I if legs are your focus. I also like Making one day like a quad day one day a ham day or do one that's sure So, you know, you don't have to necessarily do like a full leg routine on the on on both focus days One focus day could be dedicated to more towards, you know, the posterior chain than one all the front, right? So you could do You could split it like that. I love to do that if that's your main focus But definitely if that's your main focus I think you said I think I saw that you with back or buys you're doing on the other one So I would I would go all if legs are the main thing you're trying to bring up Make make that the the centerpiece of those focus days and then how you split them split it up is up to you You can either do all glute hamstring and quads on both days or you can go Hamstring work all hamstring and glutes all in one day and then all quad work on the other day, which would be phenomenal too um in my other question is um I used to do lots of cardio. I was uh high intensity um I messed up my metabolism. I've slowed it down a lot. So I cut down my cardio to three times a week. So I'm doing cardio only on The three focus days a week. I do it first thing in the morning fasted and then at lunchtime I'll do my focus So if if if building and developing the legs is is a main focus Uh, I definitely wouldn't be doing any sort of high intensity cardio in the morning So hopefully the cardio you're talking about is steady state or walking. So that would be Yeah, if you walking on the foundation days and then on the focus days, I'll just you be elliptical or on saturday It's I'll just do like a two minute run one minute walk up to like 30 minutes Okay, well that works and consider it. Look you said you overdid cardio before I mean you're doing you're doing an okay amount of cardio now There's again, there's nothing wrong with it if you love it, but if your intention with the cardio Is to I got to do more of it to get leaner Uh, well, then you're you're yeah that approach isn't really that effective If it's if it's if it's all about that then really it's about your food intake And your resistance training. I mean in maps aesthetic because of the focus days You're gonna be you're gonna be lifting weights five or six days a week. So You're working out quite a bit You would also be you'll be also it'd be far more beneficial to be focused on building the legs And limiting almost all cardio to walking or none hardly at all and then sweat Yeah, and then switch In a in a month or two and at build in cardio to lean out Trying to do all that cardio and also try and build your legs at the same time I mean you're you're sitting a bit of a conflicting signal to your body It's like do you want me to build or do you want me to to to break down and you know Doing all that cardio and moving that much You're gonna tell the body to burn burn burn and it's gonna want to lean out trying to do it simultaneously is really difficult You'd be far better off Focusing on building and developing the legs Reducing the amount of cardio that you're doing get to a place where you're like, oh, wow I feel like I've added an inch to my legs or my butt or whatever your focus area is Now I want to lean out a little bit now. Let's start to introduce the cardio That would be a better strategy than trying to do it all together at the same time Okay The cardio is like, you know, five to six hours apart. It's still you still would recommend the same thing Absolutely. Yeah, it's not I mean again, there's nothing necessarily wrong With it's I mean if you enjoy it, it's great. It's activity But based on what you're coming from and what you're doing what your goals are I mean you just focus on being active. You don't need to necessarily do structured Cardiovascular workouts and then focus on your nutrition if you notice your body's not getting leaner I would focus but you did mention your metabolism was also Slow because of what you had done before You might want to focus, uh, you know some dedicated time on boosting that just build muscle for a while before even thinking about cutting You know get it up to a certain point to where your metabolism is roaring And then you cut from there and then you've got a great position to cut from otherwise You'll you'll get stuck in this like I cut but then oh my gosh, I have to eat so little to maintain. This is not sustainable Then I gained the body fat and you're kind of on this hamster wheel Yeah, yeah, definitely doing that. Okay. Awesome. All right, great. Thank you guys. Thank you. Awesome Yeah, dude, that's so uh, so common with clients where you know, they have like I want to be lean But I also want to build my legs, you know, it's like You will you be far better off focusing on one or the other and in and putting all your energy towards building the metabolism building the legs up Developing those like the original part of the beginning of this question and then Eliminating all that card. And if you're somebody who like Sal was alluding to You you were a cardio junkie before I'm gonna so if she was my client I wouldn't let her do any cardio. Yeah, I just trying to break that walk I let her walk, right? So I wouldn't be like, oh don't move now But I would say hey, we already know that this is something that you struggle with we don't need it You're trying we're trying to build we're trying to build your legs build your metabolism So it has no real place in our program right now So let's eliminate any sort of hit interval training like she's doing right now for cardio You can walk if you enjoy that and you and that's it's part of my strength in that signal more that The need is is that we need to build muscle in that general direction And it doesn't mean that you know those those focus sessions are really intense because it's you know It's it's it's pretty moderate the intensity really it's restorative and it's also sending and repeating that signal You know that that this part of your body really needs to come up and develop Yeah, I think you know, I've run into clients like this where it's you know It's not necessarily that they love all the workouts, but rather they fear what will potentially happen That's right. Yeah, if they're not doing all this activity I mean I've I've worked it took there was people I've worked with it took me years to slowly work it off Because they were so afraid What's going to happen when I don't do my you know, 20 miles a week of running or what's going to happen when I don't work out Every single day But little by little I wore I know I wear them out and they eventually cut it and then all of a sudden they're like I'm getting lean and it's easy and my body wants to stay leaning like this is super weird What's going on? It's like well because we're now working with the body rather than against it Our next caller is frank from washington. Hey, frank. How can we help you? Hey, how's it going guys? Good. I just want to say uh, I'm a big fan of you guys and you really Sent me in a 180 on what I thought I knew on health and fitness. So, uh, thank you for all your content It's really changed me Um, I was diagnosed with low testosterone recently. Well a couple months like january Like january. So I started with anabolic like you guys have suggested in your Your podcast and it went really well and now I'm in aesthetic and I actually like it better than that, uh But I've noticed that um I need a little bit more recovery And I've kind of developed some elbow pain. So I've kind of swapped going from like, uh Foundational workout every other day. I'll do like a foundational and then do um Like two focus days and then the foundational and I'm wondering if that's really gonna affect the programming while I try to figure out uh, how to deal with Recovery and this elbow pain Yeah, no, that's that's a great question. So and thank you so much for for following us. Um, so maps aesthetic Has a it's it's it's written in a similar way to maps anabolic in terms of its structure But it's a lot more volume. There's a lot more volume in maps aesthetic. It's a very advanced, uh, program in comparison Uh, to maps anabolic now what you're doing is is fine In fact, we encourage people listen their body and and try to find ways to modify the programs To really suit themselves. Obviously when we create these programs are writing them for the masses So if I were training you personally, there would be some changes that I would make now I will make a suggestion What you're doing is okay, but I think I might have a better, uh option for you and rather than Rather than spreading out the foundational workouts Maintain the same level of frequency that we recommend in the program and just cut the volume down by about a third Just take a third of the set. Just take a third of the sets Off of the off of the workout So if the if the exercise is asking for, you know Nine sets for one body part bring it down to six sets Give that a shot because I think the frequency is a good thing It may it's probably the volume. It's probably the volume that's causing the problem. I also want to address I mean again to echo what sal said. I don't think that what you're doing is wrong I think there's some other things if you were a client of mine that I would address You would definitely I would have you on maps prime pro. This is how I would use it Um, let's address your elbow pain. It you probably feel like golfers elbow going on So we would look at your your shoulder and wrist mobility So and in that's the way maps prime pro is designed is for you to look at all these major joints So there's stuff for the wrist there's stuff for the shoulders And I would actually build that into your focus days So like your focus days would now become a little more mobility driven To address the aches and pains that you're having I would use maps prime pro to complement what you're doing And then if you still were feeling issues and not getting beyond the the aches and chronic pain Then I would go to what sal is saying and reduce the volume a bit Um, but I definitely would include prime pro though and what you're gonna bring that up and echo that too In terms of like really trying to incorporate that In your strategy one thing to bring up too When we do kind of stack these programs together the reason why we have A suggestion of even going through maps performance and then maps aesthetic is because Of what we're addressing with you know rotation with with joint function with multiple multi planar type movements That a lot of times a lot of these programs in the gym You know, we're trying to build and develop muscles specifically, but we're not articulating our joints To the full extent and so this is something that now, you know can can sort of hit Hit to like a tipping point where you know, you're only have so much progress because you've been loading it the same way And doing the same types of movements. Uh, we need to we need to change that so we need to add You know a few of those, you know extra movements those rotational movements So if you're doing presses, I suggest also to add some rotation in those presses Such a good point Justin like and there's a lot of our audience that obviously hasn't been listening since the beginning And when we created uh maps anabolic maps performance and maps aesthetic We created them with the intent that 99% of the people would follow them in that order And so when we when we wrote the programming and we thought about the things that we're going to go into the second program That's exactly what what you're going through was what we were trying to prevent. Yeah prevent from happening Is maps anabolic is very much so you know focused in the same plane Strength build strength build a metabolism phenomenal starter program But then after that if you're a client of mine, we've been training for three or four months I know that I need to start doing some unilateral or multi planer stuff Like justin is saying addressing joint mobility working on range of motion And that's why that poor that program is heavily focused on that That's why we built mobility days in on the opposite of foundation days was we were trying to address this exact issue And this is what sometimes happens When someone does like an anabolic program and they go right to like either aesthetic or go to strong or go to power lift And they go to these these programs that are heavily focused on building strength and muscle without addressing joint mobility So in a perfect world you actually would have went anabolic performance And then aesthetic and I actually would bet that you wouldn't be dealing with some of the stuff you're dealing with in your elbow Okay. Yeah, that that makes sense I uh, I didn't pick that up from watching you guys. So that that makes a lot of sense to me All right, frank. So how far along are you in maps aesthetic? Uh, I just finished week three Okay, so if you want there's two things we could do either one you could take my advice cut the volume down by a third Um, and we'll send you maps prime pro or the second option if you don't have maps performance You're actually totally fine switching straight to maps performance right now. You're only three weeks in Just go to math performance and if you don't have that program, I'll send that over to you Which option do you want to do? uh Well, I I think I think I want to go back in and try it performance because um, the elbow pain is is there, but it's uh You know it Once I start get get lifting it it kind of subdues it mostly hurts when I'm not lifting Got it. Okay. All right. We're going to send over maps performance to you And uh, if you don't have it and just just follow that just jump right into it Phase one and um, it's it's it's very different. You're still going to build muscle But what you're going to get is a lot better mobility and movement Then you can go back to maps aesthetic and you might be singing a different story at that point That's right. Keep us posted on your journey. I'd like to I'd like to hear other this goes for you Sure. Yeah, I would love to yeah, and uh, again you guys. Thank you so much. Uh, You really had an impact on on my trajectory. So Uh, thanks again. Thanks. Thanks man. Thank you I'm so glad you brought that up Justin because uh, you know, and we got to get better about this and maybe this Maybe dug this is something that we need to create Um, you know, we forget this like the perfect way to go. Yeah a lot of people don't bring that up And we don't know that I mean we've written so many programs since then that I just think that that's right You just pick pick the one that's my favorite when we actually We put a lot of effort into What would the first year of training really look like for a client? And that what we we were presenting that message early on all the time But if you came in and the last two or three years and you didn't hear all that previous stuff You don't know that and so you just assume all I'll pick the program That's my favorite when we actually wrote them in an order to go in that sequence I mean, this was a big concern when we created a lot of our programs I mean, I remember when we wrote maps hit, you know, we were like, okay Uh, I think it's okay to create maps hit now and let's make sure we communicate to people that they need to do these other things first and You know, and this again, this is because we were trainers for a long time We're not just you know fit guys that Wanted to create workouts for people to buy and follow what we wanted. We're trainers So we go into this like trainers would and there definitely is a superior order of operation So for this exact reason, I mean I love I love that we landed somebody like this Because I could see someone just going maps at a ball like maps aesthetic map split and then you know coming up with a lot of these issues That happens a lot because especially if you're and I mean shoot It would have if if I was a listener and I came in at this time I would I'm not uh, I'm not drawn to the performance program. I'm not like I'm not trying to you know I'm not playing sports right now. I'm not that doesn't appeal to me I'm more I'm more the aesthetic driven guy So I would look at our programs go like well maps in a bog that looks like something I like or maps aesthetic Yeah map split, you know, okay, maybe map strong like but performance It wouldn't even register that that's a program for me until you you hear why we wrote it and why it was the second program There there was this exact intent because this is exactly what happens to somebody who trains for four or five six months straight And doesn't address any sort of mobility work. It's very very calm sneak up on you. That's right Our next caller is anthony from california. Hey, what's up anthony? How can we help you? Hey guys, how's it going good? All right, so Recently I just finished a powerlifting competition and I used your guys as maps power lifts And pretty much that's the way I've been training Most of my life. I kind of use your guys's program to tweak it a little bit and do my own programming but In december i'm looking to get into the sheriffs academy So i'm trying to change my programming a little bit So I can focus on more like endurance type training losing some body fat, you know Getting used to doing body weight exercises, but I find that that's really hard for me to do that Like mentally I can't get over the fact that i'm going to lose all my strength. I'm going to get weak and skinny So I find myself always reverting back to doing like heavy weight and low reps like the other day in the gym I was trying to squat and I was okay I'm going to keep it light and I ended up going way too hard and I couldn't walk like the next four days So how would you get over that like mental block of I know I'm going to get weaker But it's for a purpose in the long run And how would you program it because like my only idea is just to do a bunch of reps and a bunch of reps And I do a bunch of cardio and do a hit style training and don't eat and it's just not working for me So I was wondering what your guys's input would be. Yeah, no pretty sure we'd all be friends. Yeah I'm in amongst the circle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I totally understand what you're going through I mean, okay, so here's one strategy that could help is you got to take that focus that you have on on strength And put it on another physical pursuit. So rather than saying, okay, I'm going to be super strong Be like I want to be able to move better. I want to be able to move laterally I want to be able to be more explosive. I want to be able to rotate rotate better You said you're going to be a sheriff. So, uh, first off, thank you for doing that I think what what you guys do is tremendous and very valuable But the skills that are required to do a good job as a sheriff physically speaking Are much more than just strength. In fact, if all you did was power lift You could find yourself in a bad position if you haven't encountered that long, you know last longer than, you know, 30 seconds, right? So You need to have mobility. You need to have some speed Some strength endurance. And so number one Use that same focus that you have on strength and focus on movement range of motion Speed explosiveness, maybe some stamina The perfect program that I would put you in I think that would be great would be Maps performance. I think a maps performance workout program for you is going to get you Where you want to go performance wise and then as far as getting leaner's concern That's always diet. It's always a diet component And do it slow, right? So do a slow cut like the slower Yeah, you do the cut the less, you know strength or performance You'll end up losing if you do an aggressive cut, you'll definitely lose weight faster But then you'll notice some negatives in in terms of performance. I I like maps strong here too. So I so And if you go performance, which I don't disagree with Sal because I think that's great advice Uh performance to strong will be phenomenal. The reason why strong came to mind when I was listening to you was because Uh that one of the I think my favorite parts and brilliance of that program was The first phase is 20 reps. Yeah, and most people gasser Yeah, most people and then the the work sessions are like intense. So you talk about building stamina durability And then challenging somebody who is used to working in the five rep range loves chasing strength Good luck doing that with 20 reps. And so and a lot of people aren't ready for that curveball for that program They think oh, it's a strong man focused program I'm going to be lifting all these like heavy stones once or twice and it's no That's not the way the program begins. And so I I love strong and or Performance for Sal's reasons followed by strong. I do. Yeah I mean, I would I would definitely try to suggest as a prerequisite to go through performance Just because you know the movement and and you know, the agility side of of the job and all that is really a big Consideration for the long term. So, you know, like in terms of like thinking immediately what I want I want to be strong, but I also want to have this explosive, you know, big gas tank and everything Which strong would definitely provide but let's let's protect the joints. Let's move better Let's get used to, you know, multiple planes of movement and being strong and powerful Uh, and then build up endurance and then now we're really hammering the gas. Yeah I like the combo the check because if you go straight to strong After only doing powerlifting for a long time, you're the risk of injury kind of can get can get up there, right? Exactly. Yeah maps performance plus maps performance is the only program that we have where we actually structured in Explosive training the last phase in in maps performance You're doing like explosive type training and I tell you what like and it's great because it builds you up to that I'll tell you what that explosive capacity There's nothing more applicable to what you're going to do than that and you can be strong as hell But when you're explosive and strong, you're very very effective and mass performance Builds you up to that point and then that last phase really incorporated and and to address the cut I actually think that just switching to that type of programming you're we're going to probably lean out Yeah, I mean the the amount of movement that is in that program with the mobility days in addition to that like And if you're used to more of a powerlifting type of program long rest periods heavy lifts, you know This will be a total shock. Yeah. Yeah, you might just naturally lean out from that So what I tried to do because like I said, I tried to do my own programming But like the first day I tried to do it and I was like, oh, I heard them say it to do hit So I got on the assault bike and like 10 minutes in I felt like I was going to vomit So I was like, okay. Well, let's do some steady state So then I just get into that all or nothing mode and I ran over three and a half miles And then today I'm trying to walk and all my joints are aching and talking to me So it's like that that mentality I have is just like, you know, it's all or nothing You know, I'll go and it's just that's that's what I'm having that the the complications of the problem is Trying to follow the programming and work my way into it versus just saying, okay Now we're just going to start just running as long as we can and doing, you know 20 minutes of hit on the assault bike and making yourself throw up, you know, you You also pointed something else, Anthony I think that's important You have the self-awareness to know that you have this tendency to kind of go all or nothing guy And so even though we encourage you to Modify and change the program you would actually be somebody that I would challenge you to follow it to a T I would say use that intensity to go very specific with what we have written out and like trust don't even sway at all Yeah, you don't don't do that. Don't do that. Let me throw everything at my body But the kitchen sink approach be methodical you'll get there faster You'll get there faster and more effectively if you're methodical So if you don't have maps if you don't have maps performance We're gonna send that to you Once you get the program you'll like phase one phase one is you know Still got the different movements, but it's got that strength component But then as you get into phase two three and and so on it gets very very different So start that program follow it to a T Um, and then watch what happens to how you feel and how you move. Yeah Oh, I will thank you guys Yeah, I have your maps power let's maps anywhere and I'm doing some of the maps anywhere core stuff Because like I said, I neglected my core for a long time, but yeah, I'm super stuck I'll definitely do the maps performance. All right, perfect. We're sending it over Awesome. Thank you guys. No problem Yeah, it's really hard to get out of your own way I mean, I get stuck in that shit. I you guys I love well and he's you know We encourage people to modify their program and he sounds like he's a smart enough guy that he can do it himself but here's an example of why you should follow it to a T, you know, which is Typically what we tell most everybody is follow it one time to a T Like to really like trust the programming the process because there's things in there that we probably thought about that Maybe you don't even realize and programmed in there that we want you to do So you can feel and see the benefits of it And so I would challenge him to follow performance to an absolute T And then maybe when you go back through it another time you can start to modify and play Plus, I mean, it's if you have that tendency, you know, sometimes you get in your own way So if it's something if it's if it's written in the program like well I know I want to do what I always do, but I got to follow what the program says Right, so it's sometimes a good it's a good thing to let go Have someone else create the workout for you and then you just follow it because you know what your tendency is Yeah, you're already disciplined and and you have the hype now. Just put it in, uh, you know, the right direction That's like already laid out for you. Yeah, I would generally say for uh law enforcement Generally speaking maps performance would be the probably generally the best program Uh, for them to follow and then strong would probably be a pretty close great So long as they have decent mobility, you know close second. All right. Look if you like our content You got to go over to mind pump free.com We got all kinds of free stuff that you can download tons of stuff that you can download Nothing cost a dime on that side mind pump free.com. Go head over there. Also, uh, you can find all of us on instagram So you can find Justin at mind pump Justin me at mind pump salad adam at mind pump adam there's kind of a difference between Wanting and liking and what scientists who kind of study people it kind of discovered that When you get cravings for this with the wanting goes up, but the liking Doesn't necessarily go up. It can even go down. 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