 In this episode of Mind Pump, we answer questions asked by listeners like you. What they do is they go to our Instagram page, they post the question underneath our Qua meme. We pick the best ones and we answer them in episodes like this. But the way we open the episode is with our introduction. This is where we talk about current events. We talk about our lives and random topics. Super random. So here's what we did in this episode. We start out by talking about psilocybin and depression. More and more studies are coming out showing it to be a breakthrough treatment. So it's kind of interesting. Then I talked about how fish consumption is connected to higher IQ babies. This is a pregnant woman who eat fish, tend to have babies that are smarter. So that's kind of interesting. Then we talked about sad. That's the acronym, Seasonal Affective Disorder. Some of you may be feeling this right now. This is where it gets colder and darker outside and you're feeling kind of down and low. This happens to me. Now, one thing you can use to help combat this is light therapy. We work with a company called Juve. They make red light therapy. These are panels that will do, they rejuvenate your skin. They can actually help hair regrowth. They can reduce inflammation. By the way, this is all clinically proven. This isn't just baloney. But it also can help if you have Seasonal Affective Disorder. And we have a hookup for you. If you go to juve.com, that's J-O-O-V-V dot com forward slash mind pump. You'll get a free maps prime program with the purchase of $500 more and free shipping. By the way, they also have financing for many of their products. Make sure you go check it out. Then I talked about the HIV sperm bank. This is the very first HIV positive sperm bank that opened up in New Zealand. We'll see how well they did. Did not know that was a market sell. Then we talked about Christmas shopping and how much I don't hate it anymore. It's kind of weird. We talked about Viori, this is a company we work with and how they planted a tree for every purchase the other day. And they also have a gift guide on their website. Now, Viori are the makers of some of the best athleisure wear you'll find anywhere. The best. Comfortable clothing that looks good enough to wear anywhere, but you can also work out in and it's super, super high quality. We have a discount for you. If you go to Viori clothing, that's V-U-O-R-I clothing dot com forward slash mind pump. Use the code listed on that page. You'll get a full 25% off. Then I talked about the mileage that Tesla cars get and how much it costs to charge them versus your gas cars. I'm trying to make the case for the Tesla truck. Elon sent him a truck already. And then we talked about wasteful purchases that we've made in the past. Then we got into the fitness portion of the episode. Here's the questions that we answered. The first question, does it take longer to build muscle or burn body fat? We had a nice debate in that part of the episode. The next question was, what's the deal with milks? Yeah, that's right here in that plural. Are almond and soy milk more or less processed than regular dairy? The third question was, what tips or advice would we give to someone who suffers from body dysmorphia and gets triggered by going to a gym? So we give some tips there. And the final question, if any of us were single again today, would we use dating apps? So we make that discussion there. And also this month, our most, one of our most popular programs. It's a great muscle building program that helps you sculpt your body the way you see fit. Maps Aesthetic, this is a body builder, body sculpting based workout program is 50% off. I know a lot of you have been messaging us about Maps Aesthetic. When is it gonna go on sale? When is it gonna go on sale? This is the month it's on sale for the entire year. Okay, so here's what you do for the discount. Go to mapsblack.com and use the code Black50, B-L-A-C-K-5-0, no space for the discount. I was not listening when Sal was over here trying to sell you guys on where to invest our money over here. And I'm always skeptical of him trying to take our money. Silly, silly Saibon. Okay, ready? Hear me out, hear me out. Silly Saibon in Edible Shoes. Okay. Okay, now you're fucking around. That's not what it was. No, no, no. I was reading it. I got to find the article now horrible idea. He caught me off guard. Let me find this article. So there's an article around what you want to invest in. Oh, well, there has been. I've been following along the progression of the studies on Silo Saibon. Yeah, Silo Saibon is the, the active ingredient, the psychedelic ingredient that's found in magic mushrooms. And I've talked about this in the past on the show, but. Right, the benefits with therapy that they've been showing. Well, they're finding incredible potential benefits of using Silo Saibon in conjunction with cognitive behavioral therapy with therapists for things like PTSD and depression. Well, the FDA second year in a row now, I'm going to, I got to look this up because I want to make sure I get this right. Let me see if I can find it here. This is the second year in the row that they have designated Silo Saibon therapy as breakthrough therapy. So now why is this important? This is an action that's meant to accelerate the, the normally sluggish process of drug development and review. So normally when you put out a potential new drug or whatever, it takes forever, right? Don't they say it's like an average like a decade? Ten years. I thought I saw a documentary one time that would talk to about there was a good documentary on this purposeful to ten years and sometimes is up to a billion dollars. Oftentimes hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars. And this is just a side note. We have even we have this FDA that does this. It actually prevents a lot of drugs from getting developed and put forward because the cost is too expensive. So oftentimes what companies will do is they'll only invest on things that they kind of know or maybe a sure thing. So like opioid type drugs, they'll modify them a little bit knowing that opioids generally, you know, cause pain relief, but very few companies will go and invest and break through. Yeah, completely different. Yeah, because it's we're going to spend hundreds of millions or a billion dollars and ten years of research and yeah, all the R and D is like hundreds of millions of dollars. Very, very few of them actually make it through that entire process. Well, anyway, Silas, I've been second year in a row now has been designated breakthrough therapy. Now one out of every three drugs that have been designated as breakthrough therapies have passed FDA. So the odds are compared to other drugs extremely high. Now, why is it have this breakthrough therapy designation because they're finding it to be a groundbreaking potential treatment for depression, which is a massive massive market. It's one of the biggest drug markets out there. It's like billions of dollars. You know, many people are on SSRIs or antidepressant type medications. What are the common names for those for what antidepressants SSRIs. So no, I mean like the brands, brand names. Oh, like Prozac, Zoloft, Wellbutrin, you know, it's considered antidepressant. There's a whole host of them, right? Prozac being one of the first ones. Right. And they're widely, widely prescribed and they have some efficacy, but Silas Seibin in these studies was shown to like in one or two treatments with talk therapy to have profound loss, long lasting effects. So it's not something you would take every single day. You in these trials, they're giving it to people. They're doing this therapy and then the depression is gone or crazy. Yes. And what they're finding in some of these studies is that the Silas Seibin is what do you think? You think it's like it opens up a pathway somewhere in the brain that you've either one buried or blocked or like, like you, I mean, we've all experienced it before. I can, I've only used Silas Seibin maybe five times total in my life and allegedly, allegedly. And the experience, you know, it's, it's, it's interesting. I, and there was, I had one of the times I was with Katrina and it was the most profound experience I've ever had with in 10 years we've been together, nine and a half years we've been together. We had one of the deepest conversations ever. And I was, we weren't, I took a very moderate dose. Like I still have never taken like a full like dose to where I get psychedelic, like crazy psychedelic where you're seeing all kinds of crazy stuff. I did notice stuff like images in the clouds and, and the waves and, and staring off into the sand and things like that, but it wasn't, I was very cognizant of what was going on. I had a conversation, a deep conversation with her. But what I, what I noticed personally was this openness that I had with her, this vulnerability. And I already think I'm a pretty vulnerable person with her. We're very honest. We share a lot about ourselves. But this, this, this time was different than any other time that I'd ever experienced. And, you know, we had a little bit of a breakthrough in our relationship in an area that I wouldn't say we have, we'd struggled with, but an area that I think that we just kind of were different the way we viewed things. And for me, you know, those that know I'm, you know, nine years with this woman that I know I'll spend the rest of my life, but yet I'm not married yet and settled down. A lot of people didn't understand that or think that I have like commitment issues. And even her, I think probably struggled with that for a long time. And from very early on, when we first started dating, I kind of told her what my, my vision was and what I, what I wanted for myself well before I even met her and the life that I wanted to provide my wife and child. And that was very, very important to me that, that I did that. And I think that day, that time that we had when we had this conversation, she looked at me at one point and she just like, she started crying and she's like, I get it. I understand now and I understand why you're doing everything that you're doing. It really is for us. And I think earlier on in our relationship, she viewed it a little more selfishly like it was me. I wanted all this for myself when it was very unselfish. And so there was always this disconnect there. And in that time we did that. It was like nothing. No other conversation we've ever had. Well, we have to be careful when we talk about substances like this because what the, what the studies are showing is that, well, no, besides hat. I don't give a shit, whatever you would you want. You know, obviously at your own peril and discretion, but what we had, we, what the studies are showing is that the efficacy is in combination with guided therapy. Yes. They guided, guided therapy because these substances are powerful consciousness altering drugs, which means it could go in either direction. There are, there are, you know, records of people who've gone into, who've had serious paranoia or trauma from the psilocybin. Yeah, but isn't that, isn't that anything? Yes. Any, you can over, you can do, you can overdo anything. It's not, yes, you're right. It's a drug. It's a drug like anything else. And it's not just overdoing it. It's that you're, you're working with a very, with a substance that makes you very, things are very suggestible to you. Well, an intent matters like, like crazy with this. That's what they say. And that's what the, yeah, that's what the studies show. I mean, look, the CIA spent lots of money seeing if they could brainwash people with, with psychedelic drugs because they obviously saw the potential there for the suggestibility. But so when, within these studies, they're giving people not these massive psychedelic doses, I think they're giving them lower doses. It's, it's, and they're having a therapist. And what they're finding in, in some of these, some of these other studies where they're looking at the brain and what's happening is that, and this is just a theory that oftentimes with depressive episodes, the brain gets stuck in this depressive loop where it thinks a particular way and breaking that loop, literally requires the brain to shift a little bit or how you think has to shift. And that's hard to do. And what these drugs may do is allow you to create new pathways, like you said, open up new, new things. And then now you have a different loop. Now you view things a little bit differently. Like there were some early studies on people, end of life, people with terminal diseases and their anxiety and fear. I mean, it was, and when they say breakthrough, I mean, when you read these studies, cause depression is so hard to treat. It's remarkable. And they found like, so the prefrontal cortex is like, that's the main center for like, how you view yourself and your ego. And like, that's the one that you're interpreting constantly through. Is this like, you know, helping you to kind of get out of always, yeah, just like processing it through there. I think it's more about, I don't think it's that. So as much as it's getting rid of the loops that we create that become instinctual. So like, if you think of like irrational fear, like, oh, I'm really scared of, I have family members that are scared of driving on the freeway. They're scared of the freeway. I can't get on the freeway, I can't get on the freeway. So it's kind of, this is rational, but they'll do all kinds of other stuff with their car which is equally as dangerous. And so it's kind of this irrational fear. They can't get out of it logically because it's a reaction. It happens in the part of the brain that probably processes it instinctually. Then you try to out logic your way out of it. You ever try to out logic your way out of like extreme emotions, very difficult to do. So it may be something along those lines, but what I was talking about is the investment opportunity on this is massive. Whatever company or companies that develop drugs based off of psilocybin, and if it does do it, something they're saying to do. Well, they've actually developed like serious protocols for the treatment, or is this still in development? Isn't it already happening in Colorado? These are certain, so far these are preliminary studies. Okay. And they are making it into like a, you know, like a, like a pill or whatever. Right. But let's say that it passes. And let's say it is a breakthrough treatment. Let's say, you know, it's more effective than traditional antidepressants, which all also have their own side effects, right? You, in, according to the studies, you go, you meet with a therapist, you take this thing, you meet with them one or two times and depression's gone for six months or a year. That's what they're finding. They're like, they're coming back and talking to these people like six months later. And it's not like a massive dose. They're like kind of like scaling that up. From what I've read, it's not the doses that, you know, the heroic doses or whatever. Like you're going full psychedelic. Yeah. My experience with it was very minimal amount of what we were, we weren't using very much at all. I don't remember. I don't think we were even taking a half or a quarter of a dose. It was a micro dose. It doesn't take much to kind of get out of your own. And that, to me, that's what, what I was trying to explain that the, what I think Katrina and I think that she had told herself something, you know, her own story of why I do what I do for so long and probably influenced by family and friends and other people that no matter how many times I try to explain it, it was like, you know, and it wasn't like a heart, like it was a major problem. It was just like, you know, she's going to believe what she believes about it. I'm going to believe what I'm going to believe about it. That it felt like that all dissolved and we were able to get as one in that conversation. Get like a new perspective completely together. Right. You know, so it was, it was a very unique experience for me. Nothing like I had ever experienced before. But now imagine you do something like that, right? You do a big dose and you're in the wrong environment and you think negative thoughts. Right. And normally you kind of keep them at bay, but now they become a part of who you are. Like I know somebody who she thought she would benefit from doing high doses of psychedelics cause she had some anxiety issues or whatever. And it gave her PTSD. She took a bunch and had such a terrible experience that she's had to go to therapy to fix what that one experience did to her. So the bad experience that I heard are normally people that are, you know, seeking it to get really fucking high from it, right? Like they want the psychedelic crazy experience. Or just not ready. Yeah, cause they have great books around. I have a client right now that's, you know, in her over 50-something years old, never experienced anything. It's super fascinated by it. Did all of her research. She bought a couple of books on it, right? And she actually just did it last week. I haven't seen her since then. I've only texted her and she's been kind of talking to me about her experience. And she said it was groundbreaking for her. I just, it's one of those things it's like, cause there's a lot of people in our space, right? In the health space they're like, oh, it's the greatest thing ever. And it solves all these problems. Oh yeah. There's serious caution there. Yeah, it's like you're, it's like, okay, you're just using it to escape, obviously. You haven't solved any problems. You're just making yourself feel better. I don't think there's any secret shortcut to, you know, solving your issues. I think that it's just, it could be a tool. And again, they're using this with therapists. I think there's a big difference. Imagine being in a setting where you're safe. You're in an office. You know that they've given you pharmaceutical grades. So you know what's in there. Cause I think part of the fear is, what's in this, what is this mushroom I'm eating? Or what's in this pill I'm taking? Here you're with the doctor or whatever. They give you the, that you know what's in there. Then they're talking you through, you start to get afraid, but you're talking to a professional like, listen, this is totally normal. Normally the heart rate speeds up a little bit. So like, okay, this is fine. I'm with a doctor. I mean, what a, what a totally different experience you could have with a therapist. And so that's what I'm imagining, you know, the differences. But you, isn't Colorado already legal? I thought it was legal. It's decrumped, decriminalized. Oh, okay. So it's not legal. It's just decriminalized. Yeah. So like personal use Oakland too. It's, yeah. City of Oakland. Yeah. So now when you see it like that, and you'll start seeing it pop up like in smoke shops and they'll be selling it then. No, that's still illegal. So you can't sell it. Really? Yeah. Decriminalized means that if you have it on you, small dose, you know, personal use and a cop finds you that they won't do anything. But they can't sell it. No, no, legalizing means it's now. So how did the smoke shops get away with doing the gray market stuff? Like they were doing Kratom before everybody else was doing Kratom. Still not considered illegal. It's really. No, like they, and sometimes it's a gray market where they'll say illegal for, you can't sell this for human consumption. So then what they'll do is they'll say, it's bath salts. Yeah, right. Or plant food or something. Right, right. Isn't that what they'll do? Like I think, so I wouldn't be surprised if you do see it pop up in smoke shops, but they'll say not for human consumption, for your garden. Yeah. For fucking some shit like that. Supposedly mushrooms are easy to grow too. So I wouldn't be surprised if they found a loophole for you to like buy a spore and then grow it yourself. Yeah, or a kit. Or a kit and then they tell you where to find the spore and then you just grow it. Who knows? It was from cow shit. It was for you. That's it. That's it. Anyway, more cool science. I was on Twitter reading, you know. So glad to see you there now. Yeah. People, you even announced that on the show that we finally got you tweeting over there. Just not a, you know, it's funny, dude. You're a big twat. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. Twit, Twitter. Twitter, not Twitter. You know what, dude? It's just more social media, you know what I mean? It's like, I don't want more. Yeah, but this is so much more up your alley in my opinion. I think so. Yeah, you are. I like to write shit. Yeah, you do. And it's their short challenge to the point, you know. Yeah, challenging people. I mean, it's, I think it's been your, it's much needed in that. Especially that environment. Yeah, people need to be checked out there like crazy. But I was reading, I think it was, it was a, what's her name? Dr. Rondra Patrick, love her. And she posted a study that showed that mothers who consumed fish during pregnancy had IQs that were between 4.8 to 9.5 points higher than children whose mothers did not eat fish. So they're saying that higher fish consumption is linked to a stronger effect on IQ. And this is based off of reviews of 44. That's such, those studies are weird to me. Yeah. I feel like it's self-selection by itself. Oh, no. Like, how do you, okay. So how do you know that the people that those getting the right nutrients, the right timing of development process? Well, so the people that make those, those healthy choices why they're babies in there, are they more likely to be smarter people in the first place? So this was based off of 44 review, 44 reviews. So they actually went and looked at lots of different types of studies. You're right, just one may show that, but they're showing that they, what is a DHA? One of the fatty acid components in fish oil or fish fat is very important for brain health and brain development. Very, very important. This effect, by the way, is higher when a vegan supplements with, and you can get, I believe DHA from certain types of algae. I believe there are vegan forms. They're just not as effective as the animal forms. So it's, it's, it definitely has an effect on the brain in terms of, you know, improving. Speaking of DHA, didn't you say that, didn't I hear you say yesterday talking about supplements that are going to get banned? Was that a true article? I don't know, I don't know. I got to find out, find that out. Yeah, you read our article yesterday that we were like, what the hell they're going to try and ban them. For cumin, they said they were going to ban. There was a bunch of things that were supposed, supposedly going to be banned. I got to look that up. Oh, okay. You didn't follow up on that? No, I didn't. That's interesting. Sorry about that. Anyway, does this dark weather affect you guys at all? I mean, yeah, like you said, when I get home and it's dark, it kind of, I mean, it limits the amount of like activity I'm doing. Like I'm just kind of like more prone to being like ready for bed already. I'm just like, I'm done with the day. It used to for me, but I mean, ever since I got the juve, I've made that like something that when we have these like super cloudy days and it's dark and it's rainy, I'll try and spend more time sitting in front of that thing. That's actually, that's actually a legit way of using it. Cause what do they call it? Seasonal effective disorder. Sad. That's the acronym. How funny, huh? Good marketing. Yeah, that worked out. And then it affects like 5% of people. That's a pretty big number. Yeah. And it's literally like the acronym says people get more depressed. They want to sleep more, you know, their habits start to change because of the lack of light. And one of the treatments that's been shown to work is light therapy. So you could either use really, really bright lights or juve would be perfect. Just like you said. Well, you know, and I, anybody who has one, right, they can probably attest to this. It's, it sounds weird or hokey when I, when I tell people it, but man, I notice when I sit in front of it, 10, 15 minutes afterwards, I feel energy increase. I, my skin feels like it's glowing. I just am in a better mood altogether, which is the similar effects that I get when I go stand out in the sun. You know, I like, we get, we talk about it all time. We're locked in this little dungeon in the studio and sometimes like after we've been in here for a few hours, I feel lethargic and tired and moody and I'll go out. And if it's especially when it's a sunny day, I go for a walk for like 10 minutes, complete change of mood. I'm walking with better posture. I just feel way better. And so I've done, I've connected that with, you know, these cloudy, dark, rainy type days and shit. I'll just go in my room, my spare room, flip on the juice, sit in it, 10, 15 minutes, Max and I and we'll hang out. Same here. I know it's the same thing. Way better, especially if I'm working on the computer and I'll turn it on and I'll get that same kind of, you know, energized benefit to it. An interesting thing too, cause our chickens like hadn't been producing ever since like the time changed like as frequently and as great as they were. Red light for the chickens, bro. Not red light. It'd be cool to do that, but I have, we do have like a light that will turn on to kind of extend the day for them and that's on a timer. And is it working? Totally. Yeah. Like they're all producing, you know, like they were when, when the sun was like, Oh, interesting. So do the production of the eggs go down in the winter time in comparison to the summer? Absolutely. Yeah. Oh, wow. That's interesting. Yeah. Obviously it affects them too. And then you manipulate that with, with artificial light. Wow. I didn't know that. Makes sense. Farm guy should know that. Well, think about it this way. So you know when you're sick, how you want to kind of be alone and you don't want to be around a lot of people and you want to kind of bundle up or whatever. Yeah. That's an evolutionary response because it's, it prevents you from spreading your disease. You're not trying to go out and talk to lots of people, hang out with lots of people. It's how we prevent disease. But there's those feedback loops work in the opposite way too. So if you're not sick, but you're inside a lot, you're not doing much, you're not getting much sunlight, your brain, your body, your mind may get the signal something's not right and it'll start to make you feel sad and make you feel worse. Speaking of a spreading disease, what was this like HIV and sperm bank thing that we had to talk about? Did you guys hear about this? No, I didn't hear about it. I gotta find, I gotta find the article. So the world's first HIV sperm bank. I'm going to look this up real quick and I believe it was a new in New Zealand. If I'm not mistaken, I read the article. Yeah, it is. Okay. It was a New Zealand. So they launched the world's first HIV positive sperm bank. Now the reason why they did this is they're trying to reduce the stigma for people who are HIV positive. So what they did is with these people, they put them on antiviral drugs. They brought the HIV load so low that they can't transmit it. So the sperm itself isn't going to give you HIV, but it's still considered HIV positive. So I'm not quite sure why. So let me get the point. So these are people that would already have they already have HIV so then they would go to a sperm bank to donate to a sperm bank. So we have medicine now that is effective enough to bring your HIV viral load down so low that you can't transmit. Yeah, but what I do is the market for that. Right. What I don't understand is like say somebody, you know, say your partner or somebody you know that wants to get pregnant. Why would she go to that bank? Exactly. Yeah, dude. Exactly. If you have an option for like, like, No. So here's the deal. Unless she already has HIV. No, no, no. You're not going to get HIV from the sperm. So I know, but then why I don't why? Because they're inclusive. Exactly. They're trying to soften the blow. You too can give your sperm. We're not going to exclude you. Yes. So here's what here's a quote from that market. I know exactly. Here's a quote from the doctor. Related to this facility says stigma can lead to inconsistent taking of medicines and result much less effective treatment of HIV and risk of transmitting HIV. Fear of stigma and discrimination can stop people at risk from getting tested and those living with HIV from accessing treatment and support. So he thinks they think having this sperm bank with HIV positive sperm that won't give you HIV will lower the fear and stigma around HIV. Here's the deal. What the fuck? I agree with you guys. It's a market. Yeah. I honestly don't think. Nobody's demanding this. Yeah. There's plenty of HIV negative sperm that's out there that people will buy. And you're buying this to their secure. Or are we are we are we just not aware of an areas that we're unfamiliar with is not our space is like sperm banks like empty right now. No, they dry. Yeah. Is there a need for this? No. Some donation. If that was the case, the cost of giving your sperm to a bank would be enough for where you'd see men lining up fucking making money. Yeah. So it's cheap. How much money do you get for donating your sperm? What's the cost these days? How much Doug? You do it on a Friday every Friday, right? Yeah. 5,000 kids. It keeps the lights on here. Every time I see a kid looks like Doug. Doug's always wearing new jewelry. Gotta pay the bills somehow. Yeah. This guy balling over here. Yeah. It's all these dople gangers. Opportunity cost. How much money is Justin wasted by now? I know, right? It's just like pointless. I think you make like 100 bucks or something like that. It's like worth nothing. You know how much money women get for their eggs? Just wash right down the toilet, right? Thousands of dollars. Yeah. Yeah, they get thousands of dollars. We're so expendable. What does it say? You paid 1,500. No, no, no. Up to 500 dollars for a one hour donate. First of all, what's in a one hour? Yeah. Are they expecting more than a few deposits? Oh, okay. Donors earned $70 for each donation and healthy men are able to earn up to $1,000 per month. Wow. Holy cow. $70. Hold on. That's not bad. Think about this. That's not bad. Think about this. If you're a dude and... Dude, we do have value. This is great. Yeah. I mean, up to $1,000 a month just by, you know? Yeah. Do what you're probably doing. You're probably right though. I'd be interested to see what the qualifications for that are. It's got to be a hella good sperm. Yeah. You got to be like a perfect... Pro athlete. Oh, yeah. 4.0 GPA. It's like you got to... In which case, you don't give a fuck about earning $1,000 a month. Yeah. Like jerking off. Meanwhile, they're trying to sell tainted sperm. Yeah. Look, if you want to make money jerking off, you could do way better online. I don't think you can do that. You can sell your videos. That is a mystery, man. Hey, did you guys start your Christmas shopping yet or what? Did you get some stuff done? Yeah. Dude, everything online. I totally took advantage of this. Are you done? Yeah. Except for maybe one person. But that's it. Yeah. One of our nieces we forgot about. Wow. Now, do you do it with Courtney or she do it? She does it the majority. I'll give her credit for that. Like she gets it done. And then I kind of like oversee like yes, no, yes, no. And then I'm like, I'll find a few of them that like for my brother and his kids and stuff, like I know, you know, typically what they like. So what do you mean you approve and disapprove? So does she buy a present and you're like, I don't like that one? No. I don't like it. No. No, I mean, like, you know, she'll ask me like, is this probably a good idea for so and so and this, you know, for that. I'm not like, I'm not like the ultimate judge, you know. No, you know, when they ask you sometimes certain questions like, you know, Jessica definitely is in control of how the house looks. She decorates it. She does a phenomenal job. Thank God. She does a great job. And I honestly am terrible at it and I really don't care a whole lot. But she'll ask me sometimes my opinion and I know it really isn't better. Like, what do you like better? This one or this one? Like, I like that one. She's like, well, I like this one. So we're going to use this one. Yeah. But the point is you have to decide, you know, like we have to like say, yes, I've learned to just do that, you know, instead of being like, whatever it's stupid. No, the move is the move is the flip it back. Well, which one did you like? Oh, I like this one. Oh, I like that one too. Actually, I pick the opposite one. And she likes every time. Well, so we went actual Christmas shopping like at the mall. Crazy. Yeah. No, you know what, dude, what is with you? Yeah, what would be like 1985 here? It's not me. You talk to my girl. She loves, she loves the whole thing. She loves. Oh my God. Is there still like Santa Claus there? And lines like lapsing and all that. She loves the crowds. She loves the Christmas music. She loves the freaking the whole insanity of it all. And I used to hate it. I used to couldn't couldn't stand it. Yeah. But then I thought to myself, I'm like, okay, she likes it. Maybe I can change my perception of it a little bit. You know what? With age, you're getting so good at reframing bullshit. Oh, you have to. You have to. You have to. That's what life is. I'm listening to him closing himself right now. It's like, you know, I looked at it totally different. And it's like these long hours. Hold on. Hold on. Why are my voice, why do you make my voice like that? There's long hour lines. We get a chance to talk and talk with each other. Why'd you make my voice like that? You see all these beautiful kids. Hold on. See, I don't talk like that. Oh my God. Bro, you are closing yourself right now. I love sitting on benches and watching you try and stuff. No, listen, listen. Yeah, yeah. Hey, no, no, no, no. Yeah, go ahead. Finish reframing it for us. No, no, no. As we're out there. No, man. It's more like this, Adam. You're right. There you go. That's my voice. As we're out there, we're having a good time. We're, you know, we're getting coffee in between. I'm looking at the marvel of free markets and all those amazing things we can provide people. And I didn't love it, but I didn't hate it. You know what I'm saying? I just picture salad on the bench like, look, look what capitalism is. It's such a beautiful display. That's some kid goes running by. Yeah. Spills a slurpee on his lap. I love it. I tell you what though, man. It's magical. I'll be honest to God, man. I used to fucking hate it so bad that I wouldn't even drive near the mall to see it. And now, you know, I go and it's okay. I'm going to stick to my online shopping. In fact, what's crazy, it's cool to see, and I see like, we talked the other day about Mir and our other partner, Viori. These companies now are, they make gift guides. So I thought Mir was the first one. And then I was looking at Viori's when I was shopping and they do the same thing too, where they have a link on their website. They do specifically for the holidays and it's a gift guide. And so if you're like shopping for, you know, an aunt or an uncle, right? No. And so, and they categorize the apparel for what they would be like, oh, they more leisure, they more active, they more into this. And then you can like pick from those categories and the chances of like giving a good gift to go up. Well, yeah, well, there's just, I mean, I think companies are getting so smart that they're making it so simple and easy. That's why it's so hard for me to justify going out in those crazy days because like, you can now get everything shipped to your house. And it's, and even like companies like this, like, I don't even have to browse the website through all the apparel. It's like, oh, I want this for my aunt. I go right here. There's something bundled together for me. I don't know this whole millennial thing. It's weird. Aren't they planting? Aren't they doing something? So that's actually, they did that today. Well, this episode goes out tomorrow, right? But it was yesterday. They did a, what's it called? It's called giving Tuesday. I think they call it where every Tuesday, they, you know, donate or give away. And they have a cause right now. I think the National Force is doing it for their goals to plant like 50 million trees. So every purchase on Tuesday that they planted a tree for every single purchase that was made. Oh, yeah. Well, that's cool. I know it is. Now the environment saved. All this hysteria can stop. And we look sharp. That's what I'm saying. So much oxygen now. You know, like a girl like Carmen. It's gone just like that. Justin, the Christmas Grinch. Anyway, hey, I forgot to tell you guys while we were shopping. This was, this was part of that story. I went to the Tesla. What is that? It's Santana Road. Oh, did you put your down payment on your truck or what? Yeah, I don't know. I didn't do that. But I went in there and I'm like, you know, I haven't really Dorito chip truck because I do, I do appreciate them. There's just so many people on them. That's one of the reasons why I might not get one. But I like the, the, you know, kind of what's behind and whatever. So I went in there. I like the SUV a lot. And I looked up the math for, and they actually do this for it to show you how much money you spend charging the car versus how much money you spend on gas. Do you know how much money it costs you to run per year for 15,000 miles a year for the average Tesla? I think it was the Model 3, I want to say. Oh, with the Tesla cost? Yeah. I don't know what Tesla. I can figure out what the regular car costs. 600 bucks. Yeah. The regular car is about 6,500 a year. It's for the year. Wow. For the whole year, dude. That's legit. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Because it still costs money to plug it in or whatever. Yeah. But 600, 600 bucks, it's not bad. Right. A tenth of what it would cost. Yeah. And so when you add into... It's already subtracted. Do they charge you when you go to those charging stations, too? Like a gas pump? Some of them are free. If you go to Whole Foods over here, they have free charging. It costs you nothing. Yeah, some of them are free. Plug it in. Santana Row, the parking lot underneath there. Plug it in for free. I thought they're all free. I think the only place you're paying is when it's connected to your house. Oh, really? Yeah. Are the super charging stations free, too? I don't know. I'm totally throwing bullshit out. Yeah, that seems like that would last for very long. But I thought that all the stations were technically free and it's just... You're obviously paying your electric bill if it's coming out of your house. So that's probably where the cost is factored in is that, right? That's what I would guess. Yeah. Well, again, if you do the math that the truck you guys don't like, under 40 grand and now gas is $600 a year, sounds like I'm winning the argument every single time. You're still trying. I mean, you could really save money and ride a bike to work. I'm expecting a message from Elon pretty soon. Hey, Sal. Hey, Sal. Thanks for promoting this. Good job. Let's do a sponsorship. Here's your ugly truck with mine punk. I mean, I've been in there for eight years. If they sponsored us, I would take the fucking truck. I would drive it around. You'd do a whole episode and be like, hey, Sal, you were right. Yeah. Yeah. Just make it all mad maxed out with a bunch of cages and barbed wire and shit on it. Yeah, it'll be cool to see if they do any... How do you have a truck and not... Because Tesla, I've never seen a Tesla modified. Have you ever seen a Tesla modified? I've just seen different paint jobs and rims on it, but not like... That's it. Yeah, no lift, no lowering, no kits. I've never seen a Tesla modified. Do they even do modifications? Well, I think you fuck it up that way. That's what I'm saying. Because it's all ran on a computer system, does that fuck it all up? I guarantee it. I know that even my lift and tires, you have to go get your speedometer recalibrated because it throws all that off. Yeah, they do all that through the software updates. I feel like in the future, you're going to have all these updates that are going to be by hackers. So you're going to go on a website. You're like, I want to make my car help. You know what I mean? Just download it and it just changes your car. Oh, so it makes all these hydraulic things. Those are driving. Well, I would want to know who... Because I know that the TVs... When you put a TV in your car and I imagine Tesla is the same way too, they won't let movies be playing on the TV screen while you're driving. But I bet you could hack that. I'm sure you could hack it back when I had TVs in my car. You could go... That you would take it to somebody and they would hack into that so I could play movies. Wait a minute. They won't let you watch... What about the TV in the back? Those are different. If it's in the front, like where the Tesla is at. Didn't you have a video game console hooked up to yours? I did. What a safe driver. You said stoplight. Playing Mario Brothers. To the front TV? Yeah, yeah. Wow, that's a bold move. I mean it was the front and the center like Tesla was. Let me ask you this. To be honest, did anybody ever use video games while you were... Yeah, yeah. I was in my 20s, right? So of course we did. That's a 20-year-old idea. Yeah, yeah. Now when you're 20s and you've got expendable income like that, you do weird shit like that. I mean we used to go up to, you know, to your point of thinking, I don't use my fucking truck you said the other day. You used to drive to the snow. I was done, yeah. You did. Because you know why? Because I make fun of people that don't do that. I was like, fuck off, guy. I use my truck. So we would drive up to the snow almost every weekend in the winter and you know, it's a two-and-a-half-hour drive to the snow and so my buddies that would be in the passenger seat in the back seat would be playing games while we drive up. So yeah, we used it like that. What's the worst thing you've ever spent money on as a kid to try and look cool? Like where have I wasted the most? Yeah, we're like, oh, this is gonna be cool but you never, you know. Clothes, for sure. Yeah. I mean, I was, I mean, before Ed Hardy became not cool like when it was underground. So I found an early adopter. Yeah, I found Ed Hardy when it was way underground and you could only find it in like boutique shops. Drinking red bull and vodka with your Ed Hardy shirt on. Yeah. You know the story of that, right? Like why that, like why people are teased and made fun of like Ed Hardy affliction shirts now which at one point both those shirts were fucking badass. Sure. Expensive. Did they have to do Jersey Shore or what? No, they sold, they sold the TJ Maxx, they started to carry them in TJ Maxx. Oh, dude. And before that it was, they were boutique brands. Like you, you know, Ed Hardy is originated from an artist, a tattoo artist that used to draw, actually draw this. Right, right, right. And then with the shirts it was underground. You would have to be able to find it in like small places. You were paying $150 a T-shirt. Yeah. It was a big deal like to get something like that. Well, fast forward five years plus later I think it was when now it becomes popular they're making millions of dollars then they sell out and go to- People's moms start wearing it. Well then they go to TJ Maxx and you could buy them for $25. So there was a point, Sal, to your question where I had like a closet just probably 50 plus T-shirts that were $150 or more. Yeah. That like- Oh my God. Just a couple years later now I would be teased if I wore them again. Oh yeah. Right? So I would say that was probably one of the big I don't think I'll ever spend that kind of money on a T-shirt ever again. Yeah. You know, maybe like a nice suit or a nice pair of jeans that will last you 10 years or something like that. But even then I'm very careful now because I fell into that trap also of I had designer jeans at one point that were $400 or $500 a pair of jeans. Again, wearing them five years- On white stitching? Yeah. No, I had those. You know what I'm saying? And you wear- You dazzled. You can't wear those after five years so they're cool for a little bit. So what's the point of getting real high quality jeans at last 10 years if you can only wear them for five because five years later you're getting made fun of for wearing them. So that's the biggest waste of money. Yeah. I bought some shoes like some flame docks. Yeah. Because I thought I was like I thought I was like this cool rockabilly guy. And there were like 250 bucks because it was all custom and leather and all this shit and I'm just like and then I wore them like twice and was like what am I doing? Like what? I'm not that guy. You know? Have you ever wasted money like that? You know, supplements would probably be the biggest thing. Oh, wow. I bought the fucking stacks and all kinds of crazy shit because you know that- Yeah, but that's not trying to make yourself look cool or something. Have you ever like impress a girl or to fit in when you're in high school? Yeah. Well, I went through a phase where it's kind of embarrassing. I was probably 15 and I watched Saturday Night Fever for the first time and John Travolta was like this fucking cool like Italian dude. You know? So automatically I'm like fuck, that's me. So- Yeah, my people. Yeah. So for a second there I tried to dress like that for a little bit. The 70s? Yeah, you know a little bit. Like platform shoes and the leather jacket. Like a medallion like a gold medallion. I tried to do the walk thing and the only problem was I couldn't dance so I could not copy. All I gotta do is this. You know what I mean? It was terrible. Like a character from Greece. Or when I got really into Jiu-Jitsu like the first year this is how you know when someone's new into mixed martial arts or Jiu-Jitsu they start wearing. You wear your robe around? Nobody's been doing it for a long time. But I bought t-shirts you know Jiu-Jitsu t-shirts and Jiu-Jitsu hats and everybody fucking knows I train, right? Yeah. You know what I mean? A year later I'm like take this shit off. Well that's what happened with Affliction, right? So Affliction again was Nordstrom's brand and it was still cool then. Then they partnered with Fighters in the UFC back when the UFC could actually go out and get there. And then all the teams started rocking Affliction so it was still cool for a minute and then it became the douchebag brand that everybody who wants to say I'm a fighter, I'm an MMA guy, Rocky. Did they say anything to tap out? Yeah. Yeah, that whole thing came and went. Yeah, it was funny to watch because like it was crazy though because it was they're trying to be like the standard. It's like this is the Nike of the sport and then all of a sudden like you'd catch all these like random people that were just like thinking they're an MMA fighter that ruined it. The irony of all those things it's like at one point people thought it was cool. Like at one point there was a time when all those things were cool to do. Yeah. When it's not cool to do anymore is when it's already passed its time and you're just now getting on board. Yeah. Then you look like the guys it's like getting jiggy with it. Yeah. Like for a minute there are people like yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a cool saying. Like your uncle or your aunt or your grandparents or your parents even for that use slang that finally made its way to them. They finally got to them they finally understood it. They finally start using it kids have already moved on. I do that shit on purpose to my kids now just to embarrass the shit out of them on purpose. If they come with their friends I'll do like what they call it dabbing or whatever. I'll do dabbing. All my kids are stop it. Don't do that so embarrassing like for sure. Yeah. The whole the I do that all the time. My kids hate that. Yeah. They get all annoyed. It fuels me. Yeah. You know what I mean? I find out you got to find out the trends and yeah. Yeah. Exploit it. Exploit them. All right. Our first question is from Joe Zapien. Does it take longer to build muscle or burn fat? I'm trying to get a feel how long to bulk and cut. This is a cool question. It's an interesting question because there's a question. Yeah. Because you know initially I want to answer this from a physiological standpoint and say it's much harder to build muscle than it is to burn body fat. Physiologically speaking it's a slower process. Now genetically speaking or just psychologically or just culturally. Wow. Now we're talking because you know physiologically yes building muscle slow burning body fat can be fast if you do everything right but what about all the roadblocks in front of you to trying to burn body fat? I mean what I used to tell clients was and this took me kind of because you're right physiologically you would say right away the answer is building muscle because technically I could go to the gym right now and run on the treadmill for five hours straight and I'm going to burn off some body fat. I cannot go to the gym and lift for five hours and build a pound of muscle. So technically if we were to compare it like that building muscle technically harder but I tell I would tell clients and again this is coming full circle for me as a trainer you know after training so many people on both sides of this is that the grass is always greener on the other side. So if you're and that's you have to take into account too genetics and some people just struggle really hard with losing body fat being in a caloric deficit their body to actually burn like that they've already slowed their metabolism way down so creating a large enough deficit for them to shed body fat is incredibly hard but they can go to the gym touch some weights and the next day they feel like they put muscle on. So to me it's really the grass is always greener on the other side the side that you've probably had the most challenging with it's hardest for you. Sure now I mean but again I think for most people burning body fats hard because it requires more it requires more fundamental changes in your behavior lifestyle disciplines then building muscle does so like you could take I see I disagree with that well no total look at I'll tell you what you take the average person and who's eating too many calories or whatever have them lift weights three days a week they're going to build muscle to get them to burn body fat substantially they have to change their diet which is very hard changing diets way harder take a kid like me for example who I I was not able to consume or I shouldn't say I wasn't able I wasn't consuming enough calories to support the amount of activity that I was doing oh yeah yeah you're not the average person though of course well I mean there's a lot of kids there's a lot of young kids with fast metabolism there's a certain demographic like that yes at play sports like athlete athletic kids you always have to answer this with depends because like yeah whoever is in front of you the case you're making right now for the I'm talking about the majority the case you're making right now for the majority generalized client sure but I think there's just as many people listening to this podcast that struggle with building muscle as equally as somebody burning fat yeah no it's the grass is green on the other side it's the answer to me I don't believe burning fat is more difficult no no no 100% agree with you but what I'm saying is the majority because we have an obesity epidemic we don't have a hard gainer epidemic right for most people when confronted with this question for most people for them burning body fat is harder which is why when I would get a client we have an obesity epidemic because eating over consumption and being fat causes medical problems and not building muscle doesn't cause medical problems therefore it's talked about more but there's as equal amount of people on the earth right now that would struggle to build muscle as there would be to build burn body fat well so think about this way when you got the average client the average client's goal was I want to lose weight what would be the first thing that you would focus them stronger and build more muscle okay part of the reason why we do that is it's a smart strategy that part of it it's easier it's easier for them to get their mind around that like okay fine come to the gym I'm going to lift weights I'm going to build muscle I'm going to get stronger we're going to focus on that first so for most people it's just a lot tougher now physiologically speaking it's harder to build muscle look I could somebody could logically lose a hundred pounds in a year gain a hundred pounds of muscle I gave the analogy and literally burn off like a pound of muscle maybe not a pound of fat I mean you could you could spend the whole day on the treadmill and you will burn body fat like if you spend all day on the treadmill and you don't eat any calories you for sure will burn body fat you cannot go to the gym and spend all day at the gym and build a pound of muscle doesn't work that way so hands down from a physiological aspect 100% building muscle is more difficult but I would just I would make the case that it's normally the grass is greener on the other side it's always whatever is more difficult for you is more difficult for you you know I've had so many clients that that are one or the other I've had the client who is extremely obese and boy I throw them in the gym they touch some weights and we just we pack on the muscle like you said it's an easier strategy for those people before we try to lose body fat but then I've had the kid or the young adult who's athletic and moves a lot enough calories you know you ask them to come to the gym and add five pounds of muscle it's like yeah nice I've been trying at them for the last decade I tell them to get on a treadmill reduce calories they'll lose body fat real fast so you know I think it's I think it's equally difficult in terms of the adaptive processes of the body fat is a faster fat gain and fat loss is a faster adaptive process that's what I mean by physiological the body fat is based off of thousands of years of evolution of dealing with lots and lots of times where we had lots of food or we had no food at all and so the body does a very good job of bouncing back and forth now when it comes to muscle muscle building muscle is also an adaptation it's a longer slower adaptation first off your body doesn't store muscle when you are eating extra calories because muscle is expensive it also requires something that burning fat does not have the reason to have that muscle yes and you need to feed it in order to do that see with burning body fat you can go the other direction and you could be extreme and be okay like even though it's not ideal for you long term I could technically using again the analogy I could technically shred a pound of fat off someone's body by starving them and making them run like crazy you can't do that same thing with you have to feed the body adequate protein and calories and muscle it's much more of a specific application of exercises and technique and sets and reps and burning body fat you could do it in a more general way now this is not ideal but like Adam's saying you could just move more and eat less and you're going to burn some body fat if you just go to the gym and just randomly work out you're probably not going to build and not change eating behavior you're probably not going to build any muscle but that being said it's such a tough time with burning body fat it's so hard for them to change their eating behaviors it's so hard for them to change at least a long term you know a long term way yeah I think they would be like equal and I'm trying to decipher which one's harder but if you try to like extract if I'm just building a lean muscle and I'm not just you know consuming whatever the fuck I want to consume and I'm very disciplined in my you know regiment and I'm trying to like build this lean muscle versus you know the current amount of lean muscle mass I have while cutting down I mean those two processes are are pretty damn equal in my opinion well to support more of your argument Sal because I know the direction you're going and what I do agree with is that most clients the majority probably listening the majority of people that we would take on have fucked up their metabolism they have you know yo-yo dieted so many times and when they come to you 50, 100 pounds or whatever overweight a lot of times where their caloric maintenance is at is already in a very challenging place to take them to immediately start to lose body fat I mean more often than not I get the client who's got 30 or more pounds of body fat they want to lose they sit in front of me you would think that oh this person is really fat they must be eating 5000 calories and McDonald's every day and no not at all in fact a lot of times that person is eating nowhere near that and that's because they have slowed their metabolism down from poor choices of exercise and poor choices of food for such a long period of time that when we get them as a trainer man yeah burning fat right away is really challenging because the state that they're currently in you know and so that's why taking them into a muscle-building focus first is gonna is advantageous for us now the irony of this is that building muscle burning body fat doesn't necessarily need to help building muscle in other words regardless of what your goal is if your goal is to lose lots of body fat or your goal is obviously to build muscle build muscle first build muscle building muscle more muscle will make any goal you have much easier especially the fat loss one this is a big one that we communicate all the time when people's ultimate goal is to lose weight I think they focus so heavy on burning coming off the scale not realizing that they may be setting themselves up for long-term failure short-term success but long-term failure building muscle helps with long-term success regardless of what your goal is so I always focus on that regardless of what the client's goal is next question is from DH McKay 09 what's the deal with milks are almond what's the deal are almond and soy milk are they more or less processed in regular dairy you know what so you want to talk about marketing brilliant marketing I don't even understand this question what's the deal what are the deal with them like all milks almond milk soy milk coconut milk are they more or less processed so first off this makes me laugh because you want to talk about the brilliance of marketing there's only one milk those are the kind that comes from animals cow milk goat milk camel milk so soy and almond milk it's telling you just like almond juice they're juices that's exactly what they are they're not milks now they call them milks because it makes them more palatable imagine if you went to the store and you bought soy milk or almond juice I mean soy juice or almond juice doesn't sound as palatable plus they're white and what they're trying to do is they're trying to penetrate into a staple market by labeling something milk which is brilliant I actually never even thought about this this is a funny question that we're even going here but so true but it's totally right now processed okay processed refers to all the steps it takes between taking something from it's it's initial form to your plate or whatever okay milk a cow technically if it's a healthy cow and everything you could just drink the milk right there almonds and soy there's a there's more of a process that goes another minimally process but they're still processed and oftentimes there's more things added to them to make to make them more nutritious if you can tolerate dairy dairy dairy's fine in fact it's actually can be quite healthy especially if it's from good sources but I mean I feel like you should address this whole processed conversation to it reminds me the post on our forum just recently to just we it's almost impossible today to eat a diet and not get some somewhat of processed food in there and I know we've talked about it as you know one of the major contributors to the obesity everything right and I think because of that I think I would never want our audience to think that like I go through my day and I don't have anything that's processed like it's just it's part of it's part of it now do I target whole natural foods for a majority of what I consume absolutely to fret over my almond milk being processed or not I'm not a hippie Nazi well technically processed everything that's a weird combo everything in your grocery stores processed technically even a piece of steak unless you I don't know if you've ever seen a piece of steak running around outside I want steak milk the fact that it's being cut and placed in a package and covered with plastic so you can look at it and be aware of its impact on your body and the main potential detriment of process by the way there's a lot of benefits to processed food also I want to be very clear we can feed more people doesn't go bad is easily it's an easy way to deliver nutrition to people especially around the world you know whole natural foods tend to go bad so if we're trying to ship food to other countries or whatever benefits but here's some of the potential detriments they make you eat more they're designed to make you eat more does that mean you should be like afraid of them not be aware just be aware look I'm aware I drink alcohol sometimes there's alcoholics out there I know that I know there's potential detriments to it but I drink it sometimes you know I do lots of sometimes I eat candy as well I think we live in the real world stress free way there's a lot of fitness you know lunatics fitness enthusiasts that are fanatics who they're so afraid of everything they avoid everything in the pursuit of becoming healthier and in reality the health is being harmed because of their stress the rigidity and the fact that they sacrifice the relationships of people around them they don't go places because they're afraid of the food and the whatever that's there you know process it's okay but just you know know what you're dealing with and make smart decisions but as far as milks are concerned if you can tolerate dairy there is no milk that's better than than dairy nutrient wise nutrient wise it's incredible it's been a staple for humans in some regions for thousands of years the full fat by the way full fat organic if you can find raw processed from good well sourced cows boy that stuff's got some incredible help genghis con help benefit take over china that's a good that's a good point they did they were able to travel with that and milked their animals and made them strong of shit that's always my argument for cheese genghis con did it next question is from thatchman 19 what tips or advice would you give to someone who suffers from body dysmorphia and is triggered in a gym train at home yeah to the gym at all. Have you guys ever met anybody like this? Yeah, yeah. And like I've had clients that have come in that have been very super self-conscious and have really had to take my time with, you know, like staying in a site. And this is where I really just kind of find a spot where they are comfortable. And then we kind of just work from there and just slowly sort of introduce things. And it's definitely a slow, gradual, you know, process of an introduction to different things so they feel confident. I think everybody kind of falls on a spectrum here. Like I feel like all the clients that I train are somewhere here, like to Justin's point, like I think that was really common that I would go get like a little, you know, block off a little five by five square in the corner of the gym somewhere. Especially the freeways. Yeah, and bring dumbbells over and all, you know, straight bar stuff, whatever I needed. And we would do like the whole session there to where, you know, he or she felt very private with me even though we're in this public gym. So I think, and then that's the extreme, right? Where someone, they come in and they're just like, they're so worried about everybody looking at them. So you do things like that. But I mean, I think everybody has a little bit of being self-conscious, especially when you first come in the gym. And that part of a trainer is coaching them through that process that honestly, most people here, they're here for themselves and what they're working on their own goals. They probably don't give a shit about you and where you're at. They all had to start somewhere. Most people in the gym too, it's amazing or growth-minded people, they're trying to improve themselves. So they're not judging you. They're probably more supportive. This is the same like common conversation that we would have. The gyms that my female clients were most intimidated in, they would probably be the most accepted in, like going into like a, you know, a very bodybuilder-esque or powerlifter gym seems so scary because the bodies look so amazing. Oh my God, everybody there will help you. Yeah, but the irony of those, those are some of the most amazing people to talk to inside the gym because they've dedicated their whole life to working in there. They see someone like you who's starting and it motivates them and inspires them and that most all of them are actually really cool to talk to. Well, I feel like we also had this in mind when we were going through like what to put up for our YouTube content. Like I think that, you know, people can and have access to information now that like, you know, as we were coming up through like getting into the gym was, it was definitely intimidating if you didn't already know what you're doing. But if you have the ability to kind of go through the videos, watch, you know, like certain exercises that might, you know, be more intimidating for you. So you have some kind of grasp of it and you can practice it at your house or, you know, like you just, you can gain more knowledge that way coming into the gym. I think, you know, it's very empowering that way. And I think a lot of that will dissolve over, you know, the amount of information that you consume. Yeah. And this question is a great opportunity to talk about how you would communicate to somebody who's trying to maybe embark on a fitness journey, but has some roadblocks. You know, I just read a post earlier by a trainer who talked about, you know, one of the main reasons why people say they can't work out is they don't have enough time. Now this person's argument was- That's a soft way of putting it. It was a lot more bold. Oh yeah. And the way they put it was bullshit. Everybody has the same hours during the week. You know, three hours for the week is only 1.7% of your total time. Anybody can have time. You just have to make time, which is technically correct, but is a terrible way to positively influence someone. So someone like this who says, you know, oh God, I want to work out, but I'm really afraid of the gym. Some trainers might be like, oh, who cares? Come to the gym. Nobody gives a shit. Let's come work out. You got to be fearless. Come to, you know, they got to be- You're not going to help that person. The reality is anywhere you can be active is better than doing nothing at all. You can work out at home and working out at home is far better than not doing anything at all. Well, this is where I completely started to change the way I communicated walking to clients. I mean, I told you in the show before that if someone told me that, if I asked them what do you do for exercise and they said they walk every day for a mile or whatever, I would scoff at that. Like it's not exercise, which is the complete opposite now because someone like this, this is a classic example of what a great place for this person to start. I was like, hey, you know, if you don't like coming to the gym right now, don't go to the gym. It says you need to do that. Like let's create some new good behaviors and habits that you weren't currently doing. Have you ever gone for a 30 minute walk every day? Totally. And they go, no, I've never done that. Do you think you can commit to 30 minutes of walking every single day? Yes, I do. Well, guess what? That's seven days a week times 30 minutes. That's actually a good amount of exercise for somebody who was not doing it whatsoever. You need something to build on. Right. And a lot of times like it, that's where it gets hard because they want to build everything at once. And they want to get like, you know, go to intermediate status like right away. It's like, no, like take your time, find out what you can do first. Like what are those few things you can do right now? What does that look like? Now younger me with a person like this would really try hard to convince them to go to the gym. I try motivating them. I try using logic and know the gym is the best place. You got to be fearless. This is for your health. You know, I would try and do that. And when it went into happening is I would talk someone out of it. I would make such a compelling case that the gym is the best place to work out. Or they do it begrudgingly and then they fucking, then they go and they never come back again. Right, right. Or I make such a good case for the gym that the person thinks, well, that's the only place I'll get fit, but I'm not going to go there. So I'm not doing anything at all. And I would have lost the person entirely. Just like I said earlier with the whole time argument. Instead, what's the goal? The goal is to get the person to start somewhere. Now here's the irony of this, okay? The irony is you take someone like this who's afraid of going to the gym because they're being triggered and you tell them, you don't got to go to the gym. Just do some stuff at home. And let's say they start with two exercises at home and they just practice those. And eventually they do three exercises and then four exercises. Do you think they're going to have more confidence to go into a gym? Of course. Now they've been doing something. Now they're kind of into it and they think, okay, maybe now they got some momentum. I have the courage to step into the gym. So this is a lesson for all you trainers out there, be empathetic and remember what your goal is. Your goal is not to be right. You're not trying to win an argument with the person or to tell them what the best thing is necessarily. Your goal is to influence them positively and any step forward is a step forward. Next question is from M. Bohan. If you found yourself single again, would you use a dating app to meet someone? Why or why not? Wait, did anybody actually use one? No, I've never used one. How old are we when this happens? Are we today? Now, now, now. Okay, because today, no, definitely not. Hold on a second, how would you date, think about our schedule, the work, our lives, the fact that you're almost 40, you know the bar? I'm almost 40 years. Jesus, guy. Great hair. You're gonna walk to the bar? Balls are super low. Hey, dude. I'm a social butterfly guy. Come on, I'm just saying like, today I would definitely not, the 22 year old douchebag me would though for sure because I would look at it like a, I'm gonna take Susie out. Yeah, how my boy does it, like my buddy does it like that. I think I shared it on the podcast before that he has like three. Line up your whole week. Yeah, three or four of those apps and he's got like the whole week lined up of dates and I would totally be that guy. Where now, if I was single at almost 40, no, I wouldn't do that. Here's the thing, what I've learned in all my years of being single and dating is that it's amazing. I love Wise Adam. Well, it's amazing when you stop searching for a partner. Well, I'm actually in the middle of actually like talking and coaching a client friend of mine who's in their mid fifties and single for the first time. And this is a conversation that we've been having. And one of the things that I keep telling her is that, when you're so hung up on like trying to find another partner or date or figure all that out, it's amazing how difficult it is. And the moment that you just let all that go and put all that energy and effort that you were probably gonna apply to apps and pour it into yourself and improving who you are, it's pretty wild how you will attract the right person or come across the right person when the right time is supposed to happen. And I've seen this happen many times in my own personal life and I've seen it happen tons of times in all the clients that I've trained that we're single and going through the same thing. And it always plays out this way. So I would treat it the same way. I would be like, wow, I'm single now. If I'm not in a relationship, I don't have a kid, I don't have all these other things that take up a lot of my time. That all of a sudden just frees up hours on hours on developing myself more and shit will happen. And as you're developing yourself, wouldn't you think too, like you get stuck in a pattern where you see the same people all the time, you cross the same paths. Like you need to, as working on yourself, you gotta do something different. You gotta get out there. You gotta find some other interest or something that you can sort of fill your cup with which then presents an opportunity with a whole new sort of pool of people. You're a date app guy for sure. That's why I'm gonna disagree. I think that dating online and using apps is more valuable to people as they age than it is to younger people. Now I know young people use it. No, I agree with that. But statistically speaking, the fastest growing demographic of people who use these apps are older people because they have jobs, oftentimes they're divorced or they have kids, they have lots of responsibilities. They don't wanna go hang out at bars and concerts and places where they're gonna necessarily mingle with people. They don't necessarily feel like they fit in there. That could be rough. Going on an app, and of course there's different apps. There's the ones that you're trying to hook up but then there's the ones that are more geared towards relationships. I would totally use it because I'm busy. I'm not trying to go out and drink and hook up with people. I wanna like meet people and it might be a great way to do that. Statistically speaking, you're 100% right. I just don't, the question is us. I don't think I'm that guy. I think again, I'm the guy that would pour himself into all the things that would better me. I think by that, whether that be going to some seminar where I'm learning something in Barnes & Noble, reading a book, at these places that I'm not currently at right now because I'm in a relationship, have a kid and I'm busy as fuck, I would be doing those things and I wouldn't be surprised if I ran into someone and struck up a conversation. You're just looking for a good smash. That's a tender guy. Wow, that's the only app. That's a nice thing to say. But you're, Sal, you're right. Someone's gotta keep it real. You know they say now, I think it's three out of four. What's the stats on this? I mean, you can look it up. Three out of four relationships they start online. It's like the statistics are ridiculous. So you guys know I used to train a lot of people that were over the age of 60 and 65, right? And quite a few of them were either widowed, especially after 70, so a lot of them were women older than 70 and they were widowed or divorced and they were using these online dating apps and stuff. Yeah, all my clients did. And it was, at their age, phenomenal because I couldn't imagine trying to meet someone when you're 70. My mom met her husband on it right now. The odds go more in your favor. My last client did one of those crazy services where she paid crazy money for one of those ones where they actually take you through like, they have some of these where they take you like through counseling first and then they drop you into it and it's like 50 grand. Like, yeah. Whoa! She found her husband. She found her husband. She got married to her? She just got married this last year to him. And it was amazing. And she's trying to turn one of my other clients onto it. You know what's funny about that? What makes me wonder about stuff like that is, okay, definitely they match you based off your likes and stuff like that. But I wonder if it's simply because they've pulled together the people serious enough about finding a partner who spent 50 grand. You know what I mean? So when you meet somebody, well, we're very serious about that. And if you're a counselor, you can, you know, you can see who's got what type of issues you don't want to pair. You don't want to pair two insecure people together. That's gonna be a fucking nightmare. So let's say if you were single now, what would be your ideal situation to meet someone? Forget the app for a second. It would be, it would really be, so my ideal way of meeting someone would be exactly what I said. It would be, I would be in pursuit of doing something that is improving or growing myself. And then you ran into someone. And I ran into somebody else who was probably doing the same thing. We both happened to be at a Jordan Peterson talk or something, you know what I'm saying? Like a Slayer concert or that. Yes. So it could be that. Wow, she's cool. She's a little dark. She's cool. But I mean, I think that that's how I would, I would want to, to find somebody. And I would say that not shitting on the apps, not, and knowing fully aware of the statistics behind that. And I know a lot of people go that direction. It's just not my style. Well, one of the ways Jessica, when I first saw Jessica, it was she was literally head buried in a thick book. I don't remember exactly what she was reading, but it was like, it was hard. It was deep material. She had glasses on and she's like totally into this book. And I, I'm looking at her and like, Hey, you know, hey, my name sounds. She looked up, she said, hi, right back to her book. And I was like, damn. That's what I'm saying. Like you can't tell me that you, and I know you're, you're, you know, going the dating app route, but you can't tell me that you may now, you would find yourself with, if you had no kids, no relationship, you had more free time, you wouldn't find yourself at like in a Jordan Peterson talk or at a Barnes and Noble reading a book. And oh, you're walking down the line pump of it. You're, you're walking down the political session and there's a cute girl reading on the floor, some, some free market book. And you're not going to say hi to her. You're not going to find very many girls. You would never find that. Milton Friedman's my hero. Never, dude. You might bro, you might. They're pursued by like 15 other dudes, like the only ones anyway. And with that, go to mind pump free.com and download our guides. They're all absolutely free. You can also find all of us on Instagram. You can find Justin at mind pump Justin. You can find me at mind pump Sal and Adam at mind pump Adam.