 Well, good morning. It's 8 a.m. and it looks like we've got Everybody here or just about everyone Olivia would you do the roll call please and you're on mute? We could hear you all this time. Do I ask if we could hear you hit that last one. I gotta get used to the headphones Okay, we have Cameron Grant Tom DeBee, Arlene Sortman, and Jean Christopher We also have Polly Christensen Kathy Fedler, Lisa Galanar, Karen Roney, and Kendra Daniels And Harold's trying to log on And Lauren Seely is absent today. It looks like Great, thank you first item of Businesses approval of the minutes from our May 18th Meeting those have been included in the packet does anyone have any Revision or other comment regarding those minutes Arlene and there was there was one area where there was a duplication of words, but I don't have that copy in front of me So I think we could just approve them All right, anything else? All right. Well, then let's I didn't take a motion to approve the minutes I so move I Second the motion by Jean Second by Arlene all in favor thumbs up approved unanimously Next item for business would be public invited to be heard Olivia do we have anyone from the public who has Indicated a desire to talk today No, we do not Okay, well, then we'll move on To new and old business item for a discussion of retreat items regarding LHA and as I recall the The council retreat is scheduled for the morning of July 9th. Excuse me And we have quite a bit of information in the packet that I think helps get us up to speed But is there someone that would like to take the lead on Warming us up into this discussion Or I can do that So I thought I would go through just a little bit on the the financial and other tools available Then the land Kind of how it's outlined in the packet some of the the data that we provided and then start going through the goals Discussion if that makes sense to everybody So I wasn't sure how much you were able to read and digest but Just these are probably just some of the financial and other tools that are available to the housing authority I'm sure there are other ones that I have have missed or forgotten about But they you do have a number of things that the housing authority does have available to us Currently you have a nonprofit partner with the LHDC which allows The housing authority to do things that they otherwise could not do by working with that nonprofit partner Non-profits can often be more nimble Then a HUD burdened HUD reg burdened housing authority And often can access funding that requires a nonprofit status versus a housing authority The other thing I didn't put down that I realized this morning They also can go outside of the city of Longmont boundaries The LHDC is covers the entire St. Brains Valley School District So they do have the ability to go to Frederick Firestone and to Lyons They just have a broader area if that's something that we want to continue to consider Tax exemption status LHA can provide tax exemptions to Other partners either nonprofit or for-profit entities that are providing affordable housing And as soon as we got involved with the housing authority the city did It became very apparent This is a very very powerful tool that you have available To you a lot of housing authorities charge pretty large sums of money to developers to Use that tax exempt status So and the monetary value can take a lot of different forms actual cash payment up front and or ongoing Being able to have the housing authority be part of the project as a partner And an ability to negotiate other things that you might want like first right of refusal to purchase property, etc You have property management capacity that we are strengthening and getting Into a pretty good shape. So that is something that you could start offering In a partnership capacity, you don't have to own the properties to be able to manage them So that is a service that you could charge Also, you can hold land on behalf of others which allows the land to be kept off the tax rolls until it's ready to develop You have a value in accessing other funding that especially for-profit developers cannot do So one of the things with the Christman development is they're having the housing authority be the applicant to the state division of housing For additional funding because the the housing authority would be eligible for a grant versus a loan if it's the actual developer that goes in and and gets the funding Bonding capacity and capability or bank qualified debt issuance. So housing authority bonds Can be issued by the housing authority up to 10 million per year Can be issued. We have done this in the past. I think for Fall River There was actually bonds that were Issued for that project the interest that's earned by investors as exempt from federal taxes And they also be exempt from state and local income taxes. So this is a Valuable tool And I know there's a couple of different instances like with the Longmont Christian housing and hover manner where We did the LHA did on behalf of borrowing So actually went to the bank and got favorable more favorable rates than a regular nonprofit because it's triple tax exempt I think is the wording so they actually borrow the money and then turned around and lent it to the other Non-profit so there's a couple of different Ways you can you can access funding to the benefit of others which Brings money into that the housing authority because you can charge to issue the bonds you can charge for an extra percentage of interest if it's a bank qualified, etc Property and land value that that you guys own you can at different points in time divest yourself of some of the Property or land at market rate prices and reinvest in other affordable housing development depending on what's going on So if you remember not too long ago the housing authority I think it was the housing authority that owned those divested themselves of Terry Street apartments which were I think 21 total units on the 600 700 block of no 500 block of Terry Street And sold those at market rate Prices and then turned around and reinvested those in Spring Creek and Bob River So that is something that you could consider As some of the properties that you own come out of the tax credit if you wanted to do something like that instead of Reinvesting just an option and of course the land that you own as well And then project-facing vouchers is is highly valuable Dedicating vouchers to a project provides additional subsidy and freeze up equity and Borrowing capacity for a project especially when you're covering 30% and 40% AMI units so it actually offsets the subsidy needed to provide those units and therefore lowering the Funding needed to borrow for those to cover those units and that frees up money That they could be borrowed for other Investments and it's in the range of I don't have my figures right in front of me But in the range of like a hundred to two hundred thousand dollars per voucher Over the life of the project is what it it brings in Are there any questions on any of those tools or did anybody think of any others that I had forgotten about or that you know We've used in the past Okay All right, then briefly going through the land that's available to the Longmont housing authority As you know, you own 3.8 acres jointly with the city at the Sunset campus down by the Suites And there is a map in there that shows how the property was subdivided with lot one being the Suites property and lot two being the The vacant land that's available It is under an option to purchase contract with element properties And they can take it down in chunks after subdividing it further For project development. We would have to approve how they are choosing to subdivide that The current proposal is for 55 units of permanent supportive housing to go down in that Southwest corner of lot two and then there is this possibility for additional development on lot one in that southeast Corner of the current parking lot So that is another option that might be available that Suites property is is over parked well parked for for what is Down there. So there there is a ability to perhaps develop something further down there And then of course you own 2.4 acres of land at the Hover crossing campus, right? West of Hearthstone and Lodge This is owned by the LHDC via alone from the city Which needs to be repaid in March of 2023 unless it's extended further It has long been thought of her family housing, perhaps rental townhomes that would tie in The neighborhood a little bit more similar Similarly than to put in another large rental project on the property, but obviously that is that's your choice There's nothing that says you have to do that But it might be a good segue for the neighborhood because they're single family houses to the the north and east Of Hearthstone Lodge and then you've got Hearthstone Lodge and then this property So maybe something like an Aspen Meadows neighborhood townhome property Is there any questions on that? Hey, Kathy, do you want to kind of talk about the you know what me or do you want to talk about the conversations? that we're having with that company out of I think we have already done it but Pina Vista and Then Arlene had a question too. I think they're a lame one don't you go first? Yeah Actually kind of a little bit more than one question on the 3.8 acres at Sunset campus I noticed that there is a flood plain there. What kind of impact is that going to have on the use of the land? If I'm looking at the in terms of the area that is where the existing building is There's not a flood plain issue there. So if you take the existing footprint We're clear there to the trend See the position there to the south And as I look at it, we actually do have some room as we get closer to spring gulch to move I think the flood plain really encompasses the area that we we will have to have as a Walkway pathway as part of the future development of that as a greenway It's already the easements are already there for the city on that side So it's actually more clear than it would appear and that's really if you look at the capacity That's in the gulches just to the west of there and as it's moving east in the depth So we didn't really see the issues flood plain wise Okay, like we would in other areas Is there public transportation available to the people if we add some more units out there the bus goes out there The bus goes just to the west of there. I know there's stops around village at the peaks and I think if we add more they may be more willing to put an additional stop just because of What's there, but it's not far from there Okay, and if you want to add some more units in lot one, how many units are you looking at at this point? Well, how many was in that? Kathy, do you remember how many was in the element? 55 Okay. Yeah, I'm guessing somewhere in the 40 to 50 range. You could that would probably be the most Okay, and then on the 2.4 acres at Hover crossing. I know you're looking at family housing How many units and then how many bedrooms and then is there a possibility I know that you're thinking townhomes to kind of make it blend in with the area over there And I don't have a problem with that. I'm just wondering if we could incorporate some condos in there Say like maybe on a 2-3 level that would give additional housing and maybe be a little bit more affordable So that one's the one that I was talking about Talking to you all about so there is a company that we were introduced and I forgot their name But they're out of Buna Vista and they do Man you and when I say the term manufactured housing Don't think of what you Traditionally think manufactured housing looks like They fab right? Yeah, it's more pre fab if they come in and they They build them in a plant and then they come in and they stack them and they do everything from Market rate to affordable although their their Their models built on trying to provide affordable housing so They work with a company out of Berkeley that really Does this affordable development and so what you'll have to do is really come in with a Development partner and run through some iterations in terms of how much space you have what it looks like what can fit Because what you're going to try to do is maximize your value on the land And provide as many units as you can in a way that serves the individuals So we will be as we look to that we will be working with different groups In groups that really specialize in the affordable housing world and try to achieve our goal So it's hard to say what it is right now But we really want the experts to come in and know What we need to do and then really manage our parking requirements and all of those things to ensure We're maximizing the use of the land, but really providing high quality housing for families Okay, so more to come on that more to come on that one once we start getting into design options Okay. Yeah, we don't know that was that fading West. Is that the company in Winnevista? Do they do some it may almost looks like a new urbanist Yeah, yeah, so it is that fading West group I think that's an aim of them and they're the ones that did the affordable housing there and where it's really attractive to us as a community is We're also having conversations if there's an interesting building Excuse me a manufacturing plant here on the front range and so And and I can tell you that I know that there's a market rate developer working to partner with them, too So if we can sort of all coalesce around the same time frame Then we get a different economy a scale and a different price point because of the transportation cost But yeah, it's sort of a new urbanist design dense open green spaces in Really attractive and you know, frankly their price points go from I Would say 250 upwards of 550. So that's why we say they get into the market rate, too. Okay. Thank you. Thank you All right, so I I won't go through the statistics of the housing choice voucher Information that I provided unless anybody has any specific questions I think suffice it to say that we are reaching very low income Very very the extremely low is the 30% and below primarily with those With that program. It's a good distribution between elderly disabled and households families Race race and ethnicity is is good and reflective of the community The size of household is skewed towards one and two people because of primarily because of the the high number of elderly That we do have in in properties And then what was a little bit surprising to me was the amount of time that folks have been on the program I thought this would be a little bit lower, but the majority have been on 10 to 20 years on the program. So So that's a little Interesting, I guess And we need to have the all these statistics that you gave us of these the current LHA program, correct the current LHA voucher and Tenant based voucher and project based voucher information It was well actually it was pulled in February. So it's not totally current. That's this year current Yeah Which Kathy's a total of how many households? Yes for 402 for 10 something like that Okay, so What I did based on the discussion that we had at the main meeting I did pull in the LHA mission the five-year plan mission if you remember the five-year admin plan that we reviewed early in 2021 and that the Housing board adopted And then the city and LHA merged vision. So those are at the top of the the next page And then looking at the feedback that we got from me just some of the comments that were made And looking at the five-year plan goals, which are is that? Document that we had to do for HUD It seemed like the overall Goals fit pretty well with where you were going and what kinds of things you were thinking of So what I thought was I what I did was I added in in red color Some of the additional ideas that you you guys tossed out at the May 18th meeting I Had at least one item in blue that I remember that we have discussed in the past that I added in there And then everything in black is what's it currently in the five-year plan I know that's something that you wanted to review again So it seemed like this might be a good time and it might be a good framework for pulling something together some recommendations for the the board of commissioners when they have their retreat on July 9th So if that makes sense I Can briefly go through the the five goals And kind of what is on there? Or if you're ready to just jump in that's fine, too If you had a chance to review it, I would just wasn't sure how much time that you've had to give to this Some of the later pages just show again what has been accomplished over the past several years under each of those goal categories and What you continue to do and provide So how would you like you want me to go through the goals or do you want to just start discussion? Yeah, Kathy, can I can I ask a question before we jump in and this may be result of me missing the meeting last month, but As Related to our role as the advisory board I'm trying to make sure I'm plugged into where we're supposed to be because it's been so many years actually being the LHA That sometimes after a member that makes that we're wearing different hats right now But but am I right that our our role on this would be to kind of review this and comment and then make a recommendation to LHA that would say These are some goals that we would recommend that you consider here our comments and then and then we step back and LHA adopt whatever they want to adopt Hopefully listening to some of our advice, right? I think that's what we're shooting for okay You know So with that I think it probably makes sense just to dive in. I don't know that we need a summary review Especially if these were discussed last month But if anyone wants to wave their hand as we roll through it, I think we could slow down and as much as needed All right. Well, why don't we dive in? Okay, I get your my thoughts first on where I see kind of our our major goals I mean one of the things that I want to see is just we just kind of have our Development projects kind of in the hopper as we're needing them Try and develop, you know three every three to five years have something in the hopper so that we can Have that that we're going to work with a developer to get additional affordable housing and then in terms of that if that isn't an option then, you know, we work with possibly kind of the other goal of Seeking out some of the affordable housing projects that might be going offline or seek out additional Projects that we could just take over and convert those over to affordable housing But I see us as you know, every three to five years. I would like, you know a development project kind of coming online or At least we're planning for it So is that does that fit under number one here to create affordable housing opportunities for the community, right? So Tom the the last objective on page 15 Purchased properties going out of light tech or other subsidies to preserve affordable homes would fall under your Acquisition opportunities as well as I assume market homes. So maybe expand that to be market rate as well right, okay and Is the development projects lined up and ready to go is that covered under the first objective there? Expanding rental housing opportunities for low-income and vulnerable populations, or do you want it to be more specific around? Well, I think we can maybe expand that a little bit more and just saying, you know we're looking for opportunities to expand the opportunities and seek development Keep opportunities coming. I'm really like all of the unsurprisingly all of the blue things that have been added because I think we need to Really be a little more aggressive about or broader in terms of how we're thinking of a housing authority I would also I really like what Tom said and I I would also expand that because right now I don't know if we have Any money anything that we are well don't increase it next time something comes up if it's coming up soon we because of the cost of Materials right now because of the disruption of all the distribution and a number of other things I Think we could expand some of these things to not just purchase market rate homes and Purchase properties going out of LIHEK I take But also purchase some things that are Motels and hotels and trailer perks because if we can't build anything right now This would be a good time to be thinking about buying things that are already made or homes that are that Need a complete rehab that no one in their right mind wants to take on But I do think this is a good time to think about If we cannot build something in a feasible way right now then buy up some things that are for various reasons Coming up for sale trailer parks as we all know are the largest Non-subsidized provider of affordable housing in the country and right now they're all being purchased by large corporations that turn them into kind of a nightmare and Unaffordable nightmare and if we couldn't buy them and then have people buy them back from us or Have them converted through rock into a co-op Then we create something that's much more sustainable We're doing good on the front end by helping people and then we turn it over to them and create something sustainable so that would be my preference it to is to add on to the top of the bottom of page 15 or the top page 16 to include hotels motels and trailer parks Colleen I Think it's an interesting idea to look at hotels and motels and I think that might be a way to get people to You know at least get off the streets or get some kind of housing when I was looking at the charts It was really obvious to me that when we're looking at families versus Seniors that there's a significant Difference there between, you know, what's needed and the fact that women single women Make up a large majority of the families and so I'd like to see what it is that can be done to help those single women with their families Find some kind of housing and in order to do that. We'd also have to provide some sort of child care I'm sure but I think we need to take a look at those at those women And there may even be men single men that are out there that are raising families I think we need to take a look at those people The other thing that I I'm not quite sure how this works I am wondering Whether we should Incorporate the different ages the different generations into the facilities rather than separating seniors Out from the families Put them all into kind of the same areas not particularly across parking lots like aspen meadows is But into the same buildings because I think you get some sort of a really neat cultural diverse Interaction there with seniors and disabled and veterans and families and they can all There's just a lot of history that can go on. There's just a lot of Information that can be shared and I think that that's that's kind of a good way to rather than separate people out I'd like to see us bring more people together So our lean is the objective on page 15 focus on family slash mixed-age rental housing. Does that capture that? Yes? Okay, and then the on the daycare I did add the objective 5 based on the conversation that there was last in at May and one of the objectives on there is Providing daycare on some of the properties and or future properties And I think that's a good idea and I think that if we're going to take a look at Single mothers, I think we need to take a look at can we work with maybe front-raise community College in getting some education for those single parents and if that's the case then we may need to expand that child care Into the evenings or even say on a Saturday In order to help them move a little bit out of their their Level where they're at and into a different situation Which is actually good for the kids to see and then is really good for the parent as well Polly Thank You Arlene for mentioning Single parents by having been one having been a divorced mother. I you know, there's nothing available and a single mothers there at least and There's single fathers too, of course. There are at least 12 million single Parents supporting their households in this country. That means they're at least Roughly 36 million people in that situation if you're counting approximately two kids and They they have no child care Without child care, they can't go to work. They are the only support There is nothing in this society and nobody talks about it and single mothers are made to feel ashamed And You know, it's a it's a really really critical thing and child care is a huge part of that That's why a lot of women are not going back to work you know in our I'm sorry in our During COVID We've lost a huge amount of daycare and so anyway, that's it's a really important concept that we we actually think about Protecting and trying to help out the most vulnerable One of the most vulnerable groups in our society So can I ask a clarifying question on on daycare and educational opportunities, etc. I am Assuming it would be we would want to do partnerships as opposed With existing resources or to partner with I know Karen's group and the human service agency Funding process does a lot of work on funding affordable quality child care in Early education programs as well That we would want to more partner with existing things that are going on and or help expand in some way Opportunities maybe by providing a building that somebody could come into when we're developing as opposed to the housing authority Providing the services themselves. I just want to be clear If that's the direction that we're wanting to go and and really focus more on on how can we support in Partner with some of these services and programs as opposed to recreating or creating new ones Well, I don't think we need to get into the daycare business, but there are plenty of Organizations that do that and plenty of daycare things that do that that we could we could partner with as you say what they lack often is a building or Something some way to partner with people to make things a little more Economically feasible for them. So that would be ideal I think and I as I do think as Arlene said there would be a lot of synergy if With mixed groups. In fact, you might find that some of those groups would also be able to be employed at the daycare centers So on site so that would be terrific And I think I'll go ahead Arlene And I think if you partner with some of the learning places like front-range community college Whatever else there is that gives people the opportunity to maybe possibly get some sort of a nursing degree or some sort of a business degree that moves them out of the You know working at McDonald's not there's there's anything wrong with that But moves them maybe into a more steady Not quite all the time working Saturday Sundays evenings and is provides makes it better for that for the children and Seniors the thing that I have seen at some daycare centers is that seniors are very very helpful and maybe just coming in Holding babies rocking babies reading to the children and they do that on a volunteer basis and those kind of things if you've got them in the same buildings Maybe just set aside an area where a daycare could be those are things I think to kind of look at in in the future or when we're remodeling or whatever it is So what I'm hearing is determine how to support educational and growth Growth goals of our residents through community partnerships. Yeah. Yeah, and Kathy Can you hear me Because I I like what Arlene and Polly are talking about and You remember the rise program Okay, I Don't want to see a duplicate of that because that was very heavy administration and very you know very involved, but it seems That there is a set of services that we could coordinate and I would like to see The housing authority track the people that are in it And that was one of the benefits of rise you remember to Polly but But to offer it on a coordinated basis and track it because in addition to daycare and educational opportunities a Lot of the people Especially the family level people need to learn The nuts and bolts of credit and financial planning And a lot of them need parenting skills So there's a complete package that we could coordinate but not necessarily administer Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah and in terms of the mix of senior and family As as long as people know when they move in that that's what's happening I think that's that's awesome Because quite frankly, I think having in people around keep seniors younger longer. So One of the questions I had for you Kathy when you were I'm backing up to the Statistics that you had in the presentation You were surprised at people being 20 years or 10 20 years in the program Were you specifically talking about section eight? Yeah, okay. All right Okay, no Yeah, it wouldn't be a surprising in our properties to see that especially the senior properties You know that folks are there for quite a quite a long time Yeah, well The senior properties hopefully Well the senior properties, you know 90% of the or better of the You know when people leave here, it's because they're not going anywhere else So they do stick around we've got people here that have been here 13 years. So I was just curious But also again, we're looking at section eight and people being on it so long They're on section eight, but I don't think we've provided a support system to get them off I think rise was the first in road to that I may be wrong, but If we're going to do this and we want people to succeed We we need to provide more than just housing But not necessarily we provide it directly. We provide the opportunity And and encourage it Jean, I think you make a really good point with that and others have brought this same thing up and For me, I think back to What does the LHA do what is our core and maybe I'm overly simplistic, but when I look at it I think we we can administer and manage things we can I get access to Different financial tools that you know Kathy went through at the beginning And we have some property that we can let people use and the question is we start talking about support services is Where do we we stop and Transition to others who to offer the support services So I would just suggest that we be careful with it that what we're doing is really linked to maybe those three things That we do at a basic level And then as we start to get farther away from that core We need to enlist outside agencies to To pick that up is not to say we don't want to do another rise program But we may not want to be responsible for the core administration of it We may want to encourage it and provide a space for it and connect our residents to it, but not not be the one Running the show. Yeah, I agree with you totally Cameron. I agree with you totally Cameron of I'm sorry Jean Yeah, if I can jump in it's really kind of the hat sex piece for me and so On the housing authority side facilities housing those types of issues. That's this hat Take this hat on put the city man Put the city manager hat on and it's leveraging the programs that we have in our Youth and family services where they do parenting classes And things like that or leveraging the programs that we have via economic developments and partnerships with workforce bolder county To then engage workforce bolder county with the same group that we're providing parenting classes to And so to your point and I agree with this completely It really is Taking the resources that we know we have available And we may just it may be as simple for the housing authority is We become the connector and then from the city side we then Take the connections and start flushing them out via our partnerships And and then they come in and provide the service, but at the end of the day It's a seamless sort of one stop shop for the people who live in the housing authority properties where they have access to this Neither the city nor the housing authority is doing it all Yeah, it's sort of Harold you just did on why I really wanted lha to go under the city Because the city does have Access if not the resource you have the access and that's exactly what I saw is it simply the the connector To get the resources used so i'm Here you're you're talking my language. Okay All right great, and it ties into one of the council's goals too where they wanted to get out with like This is pre-covid revamping the mayor's Book club and how different council members get into different locations seems simple than it is but impactful at the same time because We're not relying on private locations for space. We can do it in different ways now that work together So I think there's a lot of opportunities Karen I'll go ahead Karen I see your yes So I so I just had a question and maybe this is uh, I'm guessing this is for Kathy. So um I know that some other housing authorities do offer a family self-sufficiency program And is that? You know funded Separate so it so how are the how are those funded? Um, are those funded separately or I was just curious Yeah, so I think and Lisa might know more as well. Um, I I think it might now be called moving to work I can't remember if family self-sufficiency and moving to work or the same or they've become that's correct come one Um, and it's a separate application. It's separate funding. It's separate rules and regs I know bhp boulder housing partners is a moving they have moving to work vouchers. Um and operate a program I don't know if boulder county housing authority does or not I don't know if you're allowed to have more than one in an area Um, we just haven't been able to get into that yet trying to Sure what we have before we explore. Yeah, but yeah, that's an opportunity. That is an opportunity So I just wanted to clarify that I was just interested because I know that is offered and yeah, it is moving to work. Sorry And uh, so it could be a combination, you know, like some of the our properties are permit supportive housing So support services are part of that um And so what kind of combination of bringing entities in? Um, what might we be able to apply for and provide support? So Uh, thanks for clarifying that As we work through these I look at I'm looking at these objectives Um And with maybe one exception under this item one I don't know How to know if we've gotten there So we know five years from now have we achieved this and the only one that has And maybe I'm trying to channel a little bit of dr. Waters here with metrics but, um There's the objective that talks about gaining 10 new private market property owners willing to participate in the hcv program So we can measure that one The others are all pretty nebulous and I wonder if we want to Maybe not in this moment, but at some point try to distill those down to some targets that we can pursue Yeah, I would I would suggest um if we go through these and and determine what package per se we might want to provide to The lha board For their consideration See what they choose and come back with because they might have other ones that they want to add or there might be some that they don't want to To include and then yeah, absolutely We're going to have to drill down and and figure out how we're going to do it and how we're going to measure it You are correct Yeah I'm glad And I guess that was kind of one of my questions because this is obviously what you all did pre us coming involved But I think as we look at this we need to frame the new objectives into So how can you actually measure them and how can you determine success? And and so I think that's part of the conversation we want to have is with you all and The housing authority board is sort is take these and reformat them in a way That we can measure them and measure our progress on an annual basis to know are we are we doing what we Said we were going to do And I've kind of I've even struggled with that so I mean yes And I As I was reading through this I was thinking about you know how we're We're linking them. I was looking up Right above the five-year plan goals that it talks about the the city lha merged vision That's to build a continuum of housing opportunities and and also wondering if we're trying to Collaborate to achieve some of the goals in envision longmont or is there some other Larger connection we're trying to make so that we're all Pushing in the same direction and we're we're not doing an lha thing over here in the city He's doing something different over here without that That connection I would say so far we're very well aligned You know the the envision longmont goals are are pretty broad They do include attainable and affordable housing And partnership opportunities early childhood education all all of those kinds of things so I guess the other thing I would throw out is Maybe give some thought to do we need so many Objectives as well Because to manage and measure et cetera can be then a full-time job I'm a big fan of the number three That's that's the one when I ran out of energy for for more kids in my family And so I've kind of used that as a guide that once I get past three I run out of steam If we could be a little more especially since it's five years, that's not a long time so We might want to pair this down over time But one of the comments I want to throw in and then we got a rule onto two three four and five I wonder if in this objective number one or maybe even an overarching goal that we Um, we make some reference to the fact that we want to say create affordable housing opportunities Aligned with the goals of and using the resources of Our partnership with the city something like that that that acknowledges that we're We're in that umbrella now that we weren't when these were first put together And I'm thinking of this in terms of saying a year from now When we have a concept come across the advisory board agenda Element properties comes in and they want to do x y and z on one of our our projects I'd like this five-year plan goal to be kind of our the litmus test that we use So we can hold up their proposal against what we say our goals are to see if it matches And so the more more we can weave that into this the more helpful it can be long term Yeah, Kathy, I think it's Maybe getting with jony Um, so because what I hear you what I hear you saying in this is You know that aligns with uh envision long march Um in the city's comprehensive plan. So as we're considering this You know sort of the things we talk about with developments livable walkable Um dense Urban communities and so I think as we talk about that maybe working with jony To take those concepts and bring them into this so that For example when we look at a project, it's not the traditional suburban style apartment concept But is really in alignment with the with our vision which is that Or urbanized sort of look where we're maximizing the land that we have Is that what I hear you saying Cameron? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Okay Holly um I would like us to remember though that the whole point of a housing authority is a national goal. It it stems from Uh depression area, but it actually is a national goal that has been around for hundreds of years to provide And it should be one of our national principles that everybody Needs shelter everybody needs a decent home and we need to uh keep that in mind that that is really our only overall goal and objective and mission and whatever is That every human being in this country deserves to have decent housing And that's a national goal. It really has nothing to do with The city, but how we actually act that out does actually have to do with the city and the envision long month plan, but I I would like us to not lose Track of the fact that All housing authorities are a national program and are overseen by national and statewide boards and authorities Good the good grounding reminder So we move on to some of the other Goals and objectives in the list How about number two to protect and enhance the properties and programs the lha operates We comfortable with this as written. I have a question The properties. Yes, what are we talking programs? What programs are we talking about housing choice voucher program would be the primary one Okay That helps. Okay Well, and I think when you get into some of our other properties specifically when we look at The suites and we look at the 202 properties in terms of The supportive services that we provide associated with those those properties. So in that area we'll go there predominantly hcv And really, you know to me, you know what you'll hear me say to the board is is really coming in and You know, this is really about maintaining and connecting what I would like to do is talk about setting some apps aspirational goals Where we try to increase the amount of housing choice vouchers by x Over x amount of time So that we we can sit something that we can definitely work on and and and really set And we'll talk about this staff but really set something where it When I say aspirational the likelihood of us meeting it is not high Um sit it high enough To where you can really go and then we can measure and understand and report back as to why we are or we're not making progress So that that's a piece of that that I would like to see You're talking about the actual number of vouchers What I would like to add to that is Getting people up and off the voucher right Okay, that I would like to see a turn over and I don't I don't know that we've ever tracked that Um And I I think that would be a neat goal Uh considering our discussion under item one Uh, I think it would be a neat goal that we turn it over. We have we fill more vouchers, but we also turn them over And I think that's a great point. Actually last night, um our partners with vcp They give challenge points as they rotate folks out of their Uh tiny homes so they move them from the tiny home into a voucher and then into market, right? And so when they do that they give them challenge coins and I saw that last night and was thinking about so How do we do that? And I think that is going back to your previous question Partnerships with word first boulder county all of these groups so that we can transition and move Because that's a different way to add capacity I stay the same you just Mm-hmm. Okay Polly um, I I really I like this Um, but I think I think one of the things that there's nothing more important than protecting and enhancing the properties and the programs That we operate. I think that um one of the things we have done with the transition from uh what we had Longman housing authority what we had to what we now have Is that we have greatly done this with something that's not even listed here. We our finances have been Uh, I feel Short up and strengthened and are on the right path I felt like we were not at all on the right path before and now we actually know what we're doing we have a Really hearty and clean system that is much easier to audit much easier to take care of and I feel like we know that our Properties are going to be able to be maintained and protected Because we have the financial base before I felt like it was really quite chaotic and So even though this isn't listed You know at the heart of this is that we have the financial ability to maintain And protect our programs. So I I think we've done swell on this So I wonder if we want to want to actually address it. I think that's a key point Under this number two one would be Ensuring that we have continued financial stability and the ability to carry out our mission And then the second I was thinking of as I look at enhanced the properties Do we want to talk about the actual property? You know, uh, you'll make make sure that every single property asset and every single residence is you know Meets code is is well maintained is is being renewed and updated as Off as reasonably possible a lot of the kind of things that would have helped us avoid HUD's partnership with us for the past several years. Do you want to call the partnership? So I wonder if we want to put the physical infrastructure into this plan at all So a couple things that I wrote down as part of this discussion To add to maybe number two is around maintaining operational and replacement reserves That meet the the requirements of meet or exceed the requirements of the Investor funding We can add something around the code and hqs decent safe and sanitary housing kind of thing You know, kathy, I think this may be the place I heard earlier As we talk about the rescindication process Where we may get You know the investment and rescindication and properties And we set the goal. I mean we set the the measurable target on this And maybe this is what we need to do is look at it go if we're going to do this And we're going to be aggressive in the reinvestment to cameras Well to everyone's point but what Cameron just mentioned Here's the schedule we want to hit And we lay that schedule out so we hold ourselves accountable to the timing on this And then if we can't do it we need to report back to the advisory board and the board and go Well, here was the schedule here what here's what happened, but I think Set that plan in this Where we can really target it and we can probably spend some time before the 9th. I'm pulling that together I think that's what I hear you all say Yeah, that's what I'm saying is if we have a a specific plan and a target for regularly Maintaining and upgrading our our portfolio Yeah, and we are implementing new policies and procedures around that as well. So there it was haphazard I think in the past to a certain extent But lisa and the maintenance team have instituted very specific policies and procedures around Inspecting the properties and and maintaining them and and working with the city to try and have Um standardized features within properties as well so that we aren't buying All kinds of different faucets for example, but we have you know a faucet that is used that You know is easily accessible. We could even have a couple spares and and move forward that would save time and money When you know fine Are there any properties that need to be refurbished in the next five years that we know just like aspen meadows And we could put them kind of on the goals of saying hey, we will refurbish x yz properties Within the next five years Yeah, we have village place apartment aspen meadows apartments neighborhood aspen meadows neighborhood. Yeah, aspen aspen meadow neighborhood village place And then we probably hit Lodge hearthstone Yeah, especially if they come out of the 202 program. We're exploring that to try and take them out of the 202 In which case we're probably well We will have to do a capital needs assessment of what needs to happen If anything that major that needs to be replaced and then have a plan For how we're going to do that in order to take them out of the 202 program. So So, yeah, I mean that you you know and and what's important about this is It's Financially for us and you've heard me talk about this understanding that schedule and sticking to it is incredibly important because that brings revenue into the system just like understanding for us the development of these new properties is important because um What i've learned in this and and I talked to you all about it. I didn't quite understand I was seeing things like one time funding that was being used for ongoing expenses. Well What happened was is the the recent occasion and the development Was supposed to be treated as an ongoing revenue stream for different properties Well, when when when that slowed down That ultimately is what hit financially to everything else. And so that's why I really like the idea of planning this out because that ensures that that revenue stream is coming in Continually and when we know it's about to end we need to start planning on what the next new development is So we can keep it and then it allows us to really plan for how we collectively Start managing the budget from an operational basis to ensure that there may be a point in time where we can't do anything new or rehab For a few years. We at least plan for it so that it's not hitting us all of a sudden Anything else on number two? All right, let's roll to number three to develop an organizational infrastructure So the LHA can efficiently manage its operations Step one ask city to take over operations check That was a that was a long hard check though Two years of the making and painful Yes And gray hair inducing I know All right, so here we have one two three four five six seven objectives relating to Our organizational infrastructure Cameron I would just assume toss out objective one I think it's two, you know, if we're going to have a goal of being high performing just say that But then to find high performing is going to get us into a lot of detail I just assumed throw it out and let's just put in the objectives What is high performing and make that instead of this? Fluffy phrase. That's a objective one So that nobody agrees with me Being a high performing agency that is related to the Think it's a c-map score Um, which is under the section eight program. So it is very specific Um criteria about what you have to do and a whole point system to get high points medium low underperforming in trouble Yeah, I would rather have it stated that way just how you described it rather than to say High performing It it sounds like an ad slogan instead Holly go ahead Yeah, I I'm glad you explained that Kathy. I agree with gene because it sort of seems like we're looking backwards and saying we have We're so ashamed. We have to make up and make ourselves reclaim our our reputation or something um I would just say maintain our status as a high performing agency even if we're not there right now um I would rephrase it a little differently. So it doesn't look like we're claiming we're ashamed of ourselves and we have to somehow make up for Something in the past is sort of backward-looking. I want us to be forward-looking and forget about Not forget about but just move forward How about consistently achieve a designation? As a housing. Yes, that would be good something like that. Yes, that would be good because then it Then it makes clear that it is a national Standard that we are We are trying we are going to uphold. Yeah, that's a good idea Okay You want to move on to the second one Cameron? Please Because I'm objecting to that one too Because that's not an that shouldn't be an objective that should be a task That meets the objective of one I see now I'm sitting Okay, great Well, honestly if we want to get down to just like Three goals, I would say let's ask this one entirely if we want to be tracking this Because I think you know number one and two are our priorities And if we just want to get down to three different goals, I'd say let's not necessarily worry about this one Yeah, this is what we want to do And I think that's where we can come in and maybe set the operational goals For us to say what we want to do and and that becomes I mean to me Obviously we didn't want to skew the conversation today But what I would say these are really operational goals that we need to do internally as administrators and and You know, I would probably I see Karen jumping in We want to talk I think they're operational standards. Yeah. Yeah standards of excellence. Yeah that we should be performing every day And so I'm not sure it fits even yeah I'm not sure it fits and then I think to the operational goals We then go and we're more aggressive kind of what Lisa's doing that says Um, the standards we want to set is our vacancy rate will be this Our turnover rate will be this Um, our time to flip will be this and I think those are things we need to work on And and so I actually I would agree with kind of what Both gene and tom are saying but tom's point of I don't know if it fits into this section Yeah, I agree with I agree with with tom that this is too operational And for me what I would I ask you all in the in the board to do Sit or targets tell me from a policy perspective what you want us to achieve And then it's our job to achieve it and then if we don't achieve it then you will Hold us accountable for not achieving it and Sort of as a overarching philosophy for me Maybe under one of the other categories we just have an objective that that uh the lha and I'm thinking The the board and the advisory board ensures that the administration of the lha establishes and achieves kind of high performing operational goals that are in support of the balance of our mission Do we have any objective? We get an issue with measuring that though Cameron. It's like we just kind of put together How do we measure that word count? I just say of at least 500 words I think if you did that, I think what if you did that what we could do is then take the objectives like I just talked about And apply the objectives to the point of Here's what hud says to be high performing on hcv. Here's what we need to do Here's what we do on the timeframes and so it really becomes the objectives underneath That broad goal of that you talked about And I am and we can maybe work on some stuff and refine it for you all but to your point tom I think it's important because if you just say it and you don't have the measurable objectives Then it becomes nebulous again And and so I think we could really try we can work to try to fill that otherwise We're back to where we started Well, then I have another question too for you herald. How is how it's about your program Um, how does hud determine additional vouchers that can be used by the housing authority? Is that a formula based like how can we expand that and increase the number of vouchers that we have? Maybe kathy. This is a question for you Well, so part of it's a budget versus how many vouchers you can use and what's going on in the community So our budget, um, and we're using all of our budget and right now we can only do 400 some vouchers even though we are allowed to go up to 509. I think it is The rents right now are not aligning With the budget So you can apply for additional vouchers additional budget But you have to have good performance in order to do that and show that there's a need Sometimes they only open it up so every so often and then there's special programs like the moving to work program or While they're doing away with the sRO program the single room occupancy one or the substantial rehab one They have a whole bunch of separate programs as well that you need to and we just had the emergency housing choice vouchers That was a special Collocation so I think to answer your question You need to be high performing in the way they measure you So that when there are opportunities that present themselves You fall into those opportunities And it's like most federal programs the stronger you are in the better The higher they rate you The more able you're going to be to increase And and I think that's what at least Karen and Kathy and I've talked about I think we may have historically missed opportunities And if this is incorrect Kathy Karen catch me on it, but my gut would say I don't think we've I think historically we haven't been able to take advantage of opportunities because of Perception and how we operate and so we need to get to that high level So that when there are funds available, they look to us and go this is somebody who can use it Use it well spend it fast and do this similar to Kind of what's happening the example I will use on is on the cdb gdr work that we're doing with the state where We're at a point now where they they come and say here's money collaborative Here's money log mod because they know we can turn it we can meet all of their requirements We need to be in that same position with HUD is that a fair statement Kathy? Yeah, I think the other thing is it's philosophically And it might be tied to the goal about reducing the dependence on HUD I'm not sure I think that's part of the reason why some of the opportunities under the housing choice voucher program weren't aggressively pursued and development opportunities were and it If you look at bhp and what they've done they have 1200 vouchers and a high level of New construction. So I think it's really has to be both together in order to really sufficiently house the community that needs it And I think philosophically for you all on this I mean that is probably the diff that's probably one of the big differences In the city coming in versus what was there, you know, we're not saying We're not saying we don't need to rely on HUD We're saying we need to rely on HUD, but we need to be judicious on where we rely on HUD And so the 202 property is probably not where we need to go But we need to take advantage of the programs and rely on them so we can add operational dollars And I think that's probably one of the biggest differences Today versus what you all were told before and I can't control that Is we're saying no, we need them there But where it makes sense not just we need them out And I think that's where boards and everyone else are so dependent on staff In in these issues and and that's why we want to educate everyone so you can check us If you go well, this doesn't make sense because you know what, you know Yeah kind of along with that so the vouchers I was just trying to come up with you know We're trying to come up with measurable goals. How many additional vouchers should we then say can we say Why increase our vouchers say by 10 in five years? and then I would say 25 and then Give us something to reach for So kindre what what is the realistic opportunity to increase our vouchers short of Having additional programs that we might be able to apply for Yeah, so honestly, it's all dependent upon rent like right now Everybody's receiving the the average subsidy holder is receiving about $1,100 in subsidy from our voucher program When the rents lower we have more money and more budget to release more vouchers But as rents increase we lose the opportunity and so I don't know that they were effectively Following the two-year tool in the past so they weren't vouchering up And they weren't spending enough money Therefore HUD wasn't giving them more money every year um So so we did we we didn't spend enough money this year But we are at a limit where we probably can't add any more vouchers yet because of the rental increase that has has occurred um therefore We're already into our two-year two-year limit So that we don't go bankrupt and that's what we've kind of learned is that sometimes housing authorities go, you know Full force in that first year and don't realize it's really a two-year Analysis and they go bankrupt the next year because now they can't Provide these vouchers that they've released So it's really Go ahead. Oh no, it's it's it's a monitoring Yeah, it's a monthly analysis that we're doing now with this two-year tool of and we did just release 10 vouchers um And have leased those up or at nine. I think Total so so we're watching that and monitoring it and the more we can we can push or talk to HUD about, you know You know, if we have x number of folks on our wait list and we can't serve them Is there any ability to get additional budget? Those kinds of conversations we need to we need to start having and and really pushing for I think Well, and it's you know, I use the what everybody refers to as a heraldism It is the spin cycle that we get into and that if you don't spend your money They'll even consider taking your money away, right kindra And so you have to spend your money in order to get money But if we historically weren't spending the money Then we need to spend it so a they don't take it away But then show the need so that then when the increase in the rents and everything comes into place We've positioned ourselves to get more money, which then Allows us to look at other concepts. And so it really is anchored in that high performance And setting the target goal of we want to increase by x and in order to do that It's kindra's explanation that you start building out and what you need to do To reestablish rebaseline and position yourself for growth But yeah, it comes back to being efficient and high performing If you're hot, then you're not going to get them up And tracking it and just tracking it all the time. That's the thing I will add to with the number of additional property Owners that have come into the program just so far. That's telling us something I don't know how off that is from prior years. I think it's pretty off. I think it's a lot more um Just anecdotally we'd have to do some statistic gathering But I think that's telling us something and one of them was a major property manager That came back on to the the program so Something might start shifting in the market is Is what i'm taking from that that there might be a A shift in rents going down a little bit or something For them to come back onto the program and have that guaranteed income Where before they dropped off when rents were increasing and they could Have guaranteed income already so Well, we'll monitor it and see it's all monitoring So as it relates to this third goal, are we comfortable removing that and kind of restating it as a Administrative goal that we just make sure that they have a plan in place and we double-check the The objectives in that Yes camera, I agree with removing it. Okay Anyone else object to that? all right, let's move on to number four and As I just glance at this. I'm wondering if this is already captured somewhere else but but um The goal is to develop enhance and strengthen External relationships with key partners other agencies and the larger community It's hard to argue that that's important, but I wonder Is it it's own individual goal and if it is fine by the way, I I'm not saying we have to have three of only three of these I just like that number I think you want it closer to three So this is something that you have done in the past and you partnered with habitat you partnered with along my community housing um You're partnering with element. Um moving forward Um, I think it's a What isn't here is some of the other? More soft service relationships, I would say. Um, and they might be well captured in some of the other things Goals, especially with some of the changes that we have made But those around um Uh, what's the dream the dreamers? Um, I have a dream Um, and some of the the rice things some of the other software services that we talked about Serving on some of the different collaboratives and teams that the the Is out in the community around homelessness around Well, primarily homelessness, but also some of the other affordable housing Collaboratives that we have going um in the past there have been quite Um, robust partnerships and then it kind of fell off. Um, but I think there's certain ones that Really should be Attended again by various Housing authority staff so that they know what's going on in the community. They can react to things. They can have input, etc about what they're We're experiencing And then the whole Development of housing. Um, yeah, some of this is is captured in Probably number one creating affordable housing opportunities um, but it felt Important enough to call it out separately that really it is around partnership Additional partnership opportunities Karen so if A suggestion, um, and again, we wouldn't necessarily do it on the fly here today, but Partnerships can also be really seen as an approach I think as Kathy mentioned that we have partnerships kind of interspersed into the different Goal areas and objectives. So if if if you wanted us to look at How to consider partnerships as an approach and making sure that we include a partnership approach into some of these other goals And outcomes we could certainly approach it that way Because they're really you don't just partnership just to have it, you know There's a reason that you have a partnership and it really is to accomplish You know the the various goals and and um objectives that you have set forth I kind of like that. I mean as I was talking earlier about the three basic things that I thought we do it to me We we we established these goals And if it's right within our wheelhouse we do it But the farther it gets from that core the more we have to engage other partners in the process So I My sense is that it's sort of woven through the other pieces It's it's a tool that we use to achieve the goals not necessarily goal in and of itself But I do think I do hear what Kathy's saying about it being important enough that we We don't want to call it out in some fashion Well, it kind of goes along with that that spectrum that you guys gave us last meeting where those are all the other You know either transitional housing or shelters that Fit into the whole housing need and we're just one one part of that as well So what do we do with this one? I'll go back to I don't think we can measure it again I mean we could put it out there, but there's nothing Honestly, I see that we can measure it with unless you know, we're just You know actively doing it Can I give you all a suggestion based on what I've heard? So what I would do is take this one And then take your other goals that you established And in this may in some cases fall under the objectives of some of the other goals are be a goal within its Within its own component in the other sections And then to the point of okay now, how do we what do we do? to achieve this And and then how do we put it in a way where we can measure it and understand whether or not we're making progress So we may need to refine some of these Um, and I don't have my usual three screens. So I'm I'm back and forth so um If you go to partner with local nonprofit agencies um We can get specific and to say who do we want to partner with how do we want to partner with them? And what do we want to create? Um First right a refusal clauses that goes into our development work Um You know how many land donations are onsite construction Do we want to get on an annual basis in the land donation? I think for the housing authorities the most important piece So that they're at the forefront in the conversation with the developers who are building So, you know, we want x number of acres a year via land donation to the housing authority um Through the inclusionary housing process. I think that's how we can get some of these and input it in other sections um 0.5 Um The objective is home ownership. I think that goes back to the Previous conversations that we've had on the development side and maybe we've blended in there So we can work on that for you all but I really see this as being components of the other goals and objectives And these may be tasks That helps us achieve that Kathy Karen, I think that works So I I like that suggestion the one the one piece when we just touch on number five uh That I was going to suggest we try to weave in this somehow is is to have some goals and objectives that are are focused on Our residents there's a lot of focus on development and and programs and buildings, but but but uh I'd like to have something in here that talks about the people and what we're doing to make their lives better than the You know through these other things and I think those other things are doing that But I just would like to see it in the text here in some fashion You know, I would agree and I was going to suggest that To me, I think number five really is about the people I mean it could be and so so I just think So so maybe we can look at how how do we show that one is about the people And then other things that we need to move elsewhere, you know, we can but yeah Unless you if you don't want a people goal, that's okay, but that one is what that one seems to be about I want a people goal Well, it would be the third goal because you've knocked out three and four we're weaving into the other one So you only have two so far And I think where I was going all of three In the people goal, I think we were still talking about development in those things and so when we want to look at it for people it's um There's some operational components in terms of How fast when we have problems how fast do we respond to problems and units And and get them back. So that's more of an operational component to the people Then we look at how to, you know, how do we create program partnerships to provide more services that we're not in order to support people or Programs, you know, what kind of pro you know develop programs that we offer in each one of the residential units so that we I don't know Karen. This is Karen's world more than mine But the properties programs and people yeah and the people what do we give our tenants So it's not just a house, right, but it's a community And it supports them in the community and I think this and what gene has been saying about the the move on Move on up options or opportunities. I think that's where this one to go Yeah, um, yeah Uh, can I add? Can I add to that? Yeah, go ahead. And then I think Paul had something Um, well, I've got this mute sign up there and I don't understand that um Uh in terms of the family properties, which I'm I'm delighted to see us looking at doing more of um that the grow part Is critical and what we've talked about with daycare and other services that can be coordinated um We also have we still have all these senior properties Um, and that's a different it's a different Animal It it's got to be handled differently We we won't have the same goals for seniors as we're going to have for the families Seniors we need to focus on keeping their life as Comfortable and pleasant as they can for however long they're going to be here um, so the programs need to fit The property do you make sense? Okay In the one piece that we talked about that I didn't see it on this um, but what I would say is that we need to think about too is As we think about programs and opportunities and partnerships one of the things that I'm seeing that um We're challenged with on a regular basis and I'm trying to think if it's in there. I can't go back and forth But what we know is that in terms of affordable housing for older adults Um, what we have is independent living What we're seeing Though is that there are folks that probably shouldn't be an independent living um because of everything from where they are with their physical abilities To mental abilities dementia coming into play all of those things And so I think I don't know if it's in the development the partnership world or what it is But it really is how do we look at opportunities to partner with folks To have other opportunities for those that may need more Robust services than independent living Because what it does is it also pressures us operationally in different ways And and so I don't know if it's a development goal if it's a program goal But it fits into this mix of how do you have affordable opportunities for assisted living? Or even some of our memory care components that are coming into play And again, that may just be a facilitator Yes, but it's in the mix Exactly. We might just be the facilitator for that because we run into two problems. One is um people Are sorry in independent living and they can do some of the independent living stuff, but they still aren't Disabled enough to move into to be accepted into assisted living So we've got this gap that we're inadvertently filling that doesn't exist in the private sector um the But the other thing is that um Maybe there are services that that that we can tap into to bring into the independent environment That will help With the people that have mental and more severe physical And and right now that's done through insurance companies But for each individual that there might be something that gets developed on a broader scale so that We can refer Our residents to it But that's that's a dream I've got Well, and I'm having conversations with the local group right now That provides services like grocery shopping. They can come in and maybe cook And they can do other things and they approached us And so those are things we can maybe build in i'm being big and KG right now because it's not to the point where they want to be known but um, I think those are We got to figure out where it fits because we've got to start working and targeting this issue Because we we can see it impacting us and challenging us um In many cases lisa I would argue on a daily basis at times Holly yes Yeah, I it's a very very difficult situation because You know, we do have a lot of senior living and There comes a point where many people become much more severely disabled physically, but also sometimes mentally and it Somewhere along the lines somebody has to call it and say we can't Take care of you here anymore because It's too dangerous for you But also as as you said herald and gene there are there are services. I know when my mother was getting older She became blind and she was still just as feisty as ever and Extremely independent, but she did need some help with uh bathing to be helping, you know to be help Uh to be safe and with cleaning and with A few things like that and if we had um a partnership with one of those services Where somebody could come in and just spend a little bit of time with somebody Clean up a little bit talk while you're cleaning up and you know help somebody with a few of those personal issues Uh that would help them stay In In our facilities longer, but at some point This is very difficult. When do you say to somebody? You have to go somewhere else. That's a terrible thing to say and devastating and But on the other hand we can't have people living in our In uh our housing that are not really being properly taken care of But holly Yeah, probably sometimes we don't have a choice because yeah, we cannot evict somebody on that We would not evict anybody on that But we have to have Their family agree. Yes and get them to move because Especially in a memory You know a dementia Alzheimer's situation. Yes, that person doesn't know that they're No, the trouble they're in And and so getting the family involved it can be extremely difficult um It it it can take two or three years and it it's scary so Having something that we can access and bring on site Would be extremely helpful Because not only for that resident because that kind of situation affects every other resident Yes small building Okay, so Well, and I want to be clear. Um, there are times where depending on what's happening with an individual If the individual is threatening the safety of the entire comp area It has to be then then we will evict because Um, you you can't threaten 50 other households because of routine fires And things like that. And so we're also balancing And I know this sounds hard. We're balancing the individual with everyone else And at the end of the day, we have to ensure the safety of everyone in the property So I wanted to to be clear on this there are times when we have to do that And it's when it is a direct threat to the safety Of the other folks who are living in the complex Is that the way to say it Karen? Yeah, I think absolutely and um and lisa might want to chime in but but but obviously we do everything in our influence to Help make that transition work For the benefit of the residents Yeah, yeah, we do everything we can but they're Me we've encountered times where The safety issue has become so significant. We've had to do what we've had to do because it is an independent living property And at some point in time even with services it is um It is no longer the right housing for for individuals Yeah, and part of it is and I just want to Go ahead I was gonna say last week um just Kind of a partnership with the senior services that michelle was able to help us We did get a resident into a care facility up in bertha Um that takes medicare get him out of the situation. He was in at the lot Sorry at the hardstone that was making it unpleasant for other residents the fire department It was a great collaboration the fire department making reports us making reports and your services making reports All of our agencies working together to better the life of one resident Yeah yeah Yeah, I just had to jump in because I didn't want folks to think that Because I mean you'll probably get complaints and we have to deal with it and and I wanted to be very clear where we are Right Yeah Right, so we provided enough guidance on that final Goal kathy I know why my Spacebar wasn't working anymore. So I would like to hear thoughts do we want to go into home ownership? That is a big difference in a big leap for what the housing authority is doing. It was talked about last time I wasn't sure whether it was truly getting into providing home ownership opportunities or more Trying to prepare people for That growth opportunity and step up From from rental housing for families in particular But I would like to hear more from the advisory board around that Polly You know, I the only way to get people out of The constantly escalating rents and lack of control over their life Of being a renter is to get them into home ownership, but And the problem is that They have to be able to afford it long term or else we're not doing anybody any favors We're actually creating a worse situation for them. We already do have Some kind of assistance and we also have lots of counseling on how on financial And credit issues and how to help people get into those. I think that's a great idea I would like us to see if we can provide, you know, if we can Build some home ownership possibilities so far. We've kind of turned that over to Habitat which does an excellent job because they do sweat equity and they do extensive counseling but um I would like to see us do more to help Provide home ownership opportunities because that is ultimately the best way for our society to pass on intergenerational wealth and to Create a better situation for most people in our society I mean, I I say we partnership with habitat for humanity But I think we have such a need right now for low income rentals That that's that's where we fit in and that's kind of what our goal is um The other thing I forgot to mention too is maybe we focus also on like the 50% am I properties as well because You seem to be saturated in 30% am I but I see us as providing affordable rentals and if there is some housing We we could see if it's a possibility if it would fit I guess especially if we get land donation that it would work better as a housing For a lot, you know Actually houses that people can purchase but You know, I think we just stick to our niche and our our swim lane and just be affordable rentals some of these uh in our last um Goal Some of these things talk specifically about this and I mentioned this earlier We can help people a lot of a lot of places in the world do this We can help people gradually get into this by putting them in a situation where they can Self finance them this themselves over time through cooperatives through rock and organizations like that or We can buy the land they can buy it back from us and that way it stays affordable and I just don't think we are I really do think that we need to be thinking about ways that we can Help people get into home ownership different models like cooperatives rent to own and community land trusts and Did I say cooperatives? Yes, anyway, things where the city buys the land or the city has the land And then they can buy it back from us and a much lower rate that they would buy be buying a home Otherwise and then they can own it and maintain it and take care of it themselves In other words, we help them up front in a gradual way and then they can take care of it themselves You know one of the things if I can make another suggestion is when we look at the home ownership piece and maybe we frame it as a partnership on home ownership because When I look at what we do on the city side, so now not the lha side, but the city side And you look at down payment assistance. We purchase nine acres of property For affordable housing. It may be that that's probably operationally a better fit on the city side But but we partner with each other across to to accomplish that goal because We have that system built internally and If we wanted to create so for example in the nine acres that we're purchasing associated with the cosco project You know what we may want to do is go out for And again this this manufactured housing starts showing itself again but really create an rfp for here's what we want to do in terms of Home ownership opportunities, but maybe the housing authorities piece on this Is it all may not be home ownership? It may be a mix of rental and home ownership To kind of then blend and have transitions But maybe it's framed more in a partnership to ensure that we have Affordable home ownership partnerships with the city side of the house to ensure that we have Affordable home ownership opportunities so that when we do transition people there are things available for them to transition into And that may be kind of channeling tom's comment maybe how we frame that conversation because I would suggest we don't want to necessarily duplicate it If we already have something that we're building on this side of the house Yeah, I like that Kathy's that clear enough to work into Something for discussion next month Yes, I think so Arlene you had your hand up before I missed that Well, the only thing I was going to say was that I I think it's important to work with people towards home ownership I just don't want us to be the ones that get stuck with a house that's been totally trashed Um, you know and and then we have to go in and do something about it. I think home ownership We can help them get there and then they need to They need to pick up the ball and deal with it at that point So it seems like that laj's role has really helped to facilitate um, you know Folks being able to move into home ownership, but our wheelhouse is in terms of building and managing Um properties is is really at the affordable rental Arena that that's our wheelhouse in terms of what we own and and manage is that correct? And then you know what I would throw in Karen and Kathy There's this gray area that I've been in in other communities And so I've talked to Kathy about this where we partnered with the national development council where They sort of blend the models in a rent to own concept and and let me just baseline not rent to own As we all know it where it basically Fleeces the individuals Of what they're putting in a grant But truly rent to own where you work in the programs and you transition it and in that partnership That may be where the housing authority does fit from a property management perspective Because on the front end of that program you're managing the property knowing they're moving to home ownership And then you start the transition and I think again It's a great area, but that's that partnership because there may be a piece in a model like that It does fit more on this side of the house than it fits on the other side of the house We've never really had that opportunity as a city When I did it in the other community that company ended up having to take it all Because we didn't really do that But they they do models where If you have the capacity they work with you in taking that approach so Kind of refining that partnership model So are we ready to uh Move on from this or we want to discuss this a little bit more I I suggest that we move on Looking at our schedule, I don't know who's running this meeting, but we're way over time I'd I'd like to move to to 4b options for in-person meetings First I'll just share my personal thought. I'm ready for in-person meetings Um, so if there is an opportunity for that a good location for that I'm all ears Arlene And and I'm open to in-person meetings too. I would just like to know from herald Can you just give us, you know, a real short version of what exactly The restrictions are There's pretty much not unless you go over what's the number now karen I think they've removed all restrictions as of the other day Even remove the numbers. Yeah, they remove the number. So we're we're good to go Unless again, it's in specific a, you know, unless you're in congregate Settings or child care or, you know, things like that but for our purposes, we're good. We're free. We're we're we have freedom Okay, other than if you're not vaccinated they still You know encourage you to wear a mask if you're unvaccinated But we're good So I would suggest that when the next meeting comes out You all just tell us where we're supposed to go and we just go there Do you want it in a formal setting or a less formal setting for the advisory board? I kind of like the less formal setting Just do it in the council study session room, and I'll make we'll make sure it's available karen Okay, so let's move on. I will point out it's 953 and so I know we're all We all maybe have other pressures on us But we do the city report perhaps just a High-level summary if there are things we need to talk touch on So it looks like your report is first Lisa if you want to Your vacancy report. All right. I guess maybe it's a question of Given that we just have about five minutes. Is there anything that you have questions about that? We're in the packet or Lisa Harold Kendra Is there anything that you really want to make sure that the advisory board knows? Yeah Yeah, go ahead on the budget to actual which I was really glad to see um, and of course I focused in on as for men's senior apartment under tenant services expenses There is a huge I mean 35,000 Actual and you only budgeted we only budgeted less than a thousand Is that related to the construction moves and that kind of thing? It is um, and we are actually going to we want to we want to track it separately But what we're going to do is I'm going to create a separate whip account for relocation And we're going to move that over onto the balance sheet Um until until it's closed, but yeah, um, it was being tracked as a soft cost so it should have been Expensed, but um, they believe some of that can be Expense to the to the whole um, the whole renovation. Yeah, correct. Okay that um, I had another question that's come up several times in the last couple of weeks on utilities The second floor of aspen meadows uh The lights go the lights go dim in the hallways at night Unless somebody comes out into the hallway But that does not happen on first and third floors And I was wondering do you have information that dimming the lights saves on utilities? And if it does could we implement it on first and third floor? I'm just tossing that out I'll pass that on to molly Okay project should be it should be happening on both and and yes Um, it reduces the the usage. So that may be a that's a punch list item Yes, okay Is that is that same process in effect for um, silver silver creek and uh, fall river Because at nine, you know, it looks like this week Okay at nine it looks like it's fairly bright over there. I just was wondering if they go down I don't know. I mean that was the way it was built. So we'll have to look into it Um, but that's the change in how we remodel the things that we're looking at So i'm not sure lisa I do know Spring Creek does have that same picture in their hallways. I am not sure about whatever Any other questions tom? Yeah, just on the the financial report, um, is this as of may 31st Yes, okay, and then the other question I had though is just comparing the budget to actual it seems The actuals are quite a bit higher than what we have budgeted for, you know, for instance like aspen meadows like the Just looking at net Tenant income is Yeah, yeah, so We are finding a few anomalies that are happening there um partly because In the past for the project based vouchers and the tenant based vouchers The housing authority wasn't going up to the fair market rent Um, and so they're doing that as these vouchers Are being recertified so that these subsidy agencies The problem we found this friday was that They're also increasing that as the market rent And within our system Which is why it's also so if that unit goes vacant and let's say the the market rent is now up to the fair market rent of 1412 You're also getting that vacancy At 412 as well. So you're seeing an increase in the vacancies Numbers as well. So we're going to have to do a reconciliation once we get All of these properties market rent back to the li-tech rent because that is what Can actually be charged to the tenant um If if they don't have subsidies so we need to make sure that's there. So that's why you're seeing an increase I mean even in fall river because of the What they underrided it as and that was before they knew about the whole fair market not being Done on these vouchers We had to go down for underwriting purposes budget wise. So we know we're going to see an increase there in rent as well Questions on the city reports The only thing I will add unless it's changed camera and just so you know Um, the calls for service based on the changes we made at lodge in harfstone with the devices Calls for service for police and fire at the suites Those have dramatically decreased um Over the last few months, um to the last report Knock on wood um that I had from police. We had In a week we had no calls for service at the suites um and I think we tend to average what lisa one or two so in terms of where we were On on a lot of these properties to where we are today There's a significant change that's occurred and that's really the partnership with um across all properties of the part of the property managers in conjunction with Michelle and senior services and our support services and the In interactions we have is that still correct? I wasn't there friday on the last update, but is that still correct lisa? We had a few calls this week, but it's from sent me outside of the property that Um police are following up doing welfare check and just doing due diligence on But no big issues anymore Good news Why don't we move on to item six other business? Anything else for the good of the order here today? All right Oh caron I'm sorry. This is just um just to Clarify the council retreat is is actually a six hour window We will we will send out an agenda to all of um all of the board members um in terms of when the I mean the lha discussion is a good portion of that retreat so um so we will get that um Um That revised agenda out to you as soon as possible and we are going to hold the retreat at the hardstone community room. So Yay, some of you are familiar with but uh, but that's what we're going to be holding it That's it So we'll wait to hear from you on that and then i'm assuming that that's on the night then we'll have a a follow-up meeting where we can Be brief on july 20th All right, if there's no further business, I will declare this meeting adjourned. Thanks for a long morning I'll talk to you soon