 kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa k which he promised was going to be 250 and it is still 800 to divert the attention of the people from everything that he promised which has never taken place. So when you are caught up in a web like that you have to figure out how to come out. How do you do it? You have to start doing silly things like this so that people's attention is diverted. That is what happened. It has come to realize now that governancy is a big task. It's heavy on his shoulders. That's why you see him stop even having press conferences. He tried inviting a radio station to state house, you know, pausing that this is how the president is going to be connecting with the people. That's the first time he connected with the people. After that, he disconnected himself because he has nothing to say. Completely nothing to say. He has created so much confusion even in the administration of his government that their ministry is now where there are two ministers in my view. So if you go to the minister of information there are two ministers Tushkasanda and Tabukawan who is just a director but sometimes he is giving more prominency than the minister because maybe he speaks better English than Tushkasanda. If you go to the minister of health there are two ministers a guy called Dr. Chilenghi and Silvia Masewo. The other one has an office at state house the other one has an office at Ndeki House the other one has a closer ear of the president the other one does it. If you go to the minister of finance I was listening to a program two days ago where the presidential spokesperson Antonio Wari was speaking as if he is minister of finance on monetary issues policy issues and he is giving more prominency than the minister of finance. So that's a confusion that he has created even in his own government and when we try to raise these things and say they are not done we know like this what does Paramount Chief Chitimukulu say don't throw stones at dogs that back at you they are a civil metaphor so I want to take this opportunity to say to our traditional leaders stay out of politics because we will start answering you back because we are not backing dogs we will write in the democracy to express ourselves and represent the views of the ordinary person this democracy which we are enjoying today was not brought about by traditional leaders it was not brought about by church leaders it was brought about by the Zambian people in 1991 some of these traditional leaders were members of the central committee in the counter government they didn't fight for this democracy so when the president goes to visit them let them confine themselves to issues of development because if indeed we are backing dogs a church was a backing dog just 10 months ago he was with us in the opposition so I think let our traditional leaders use civil metaphors they have no right to judge on behalf of the Zambian people who should be in the opposition and who should not be in the opposition the cost of living is rising every day against the Zambian people people are hungry people have no food people can't afford the prices of essential commodities how can a traditional leader say you are doing very well and those that are talking against you are detractors and they are backing dogs no is that not a harsh I'm not getting I'm saying don't misapply what is more worse referring to me here as a backing dog and me saying to the traditional leader use civil metaphors only a backing dog the economic front has got members in northern province it has members all over the provinces in this country paramount chief in northern province has the besas and the nine besas and the members that live in that they are represented by those of us that are in the opposition political parties so the point I'm making and I have to make this point that we don't want to start answering but our traditional leaders because if they are going to make political statements we shall make political statements also and we have a right to do that this is a democracy of the people for the people, by the people not by one individual, a group of individuals let's go back to the fight against corruption you are saying this fight is all about finding for my present Ed Galungu Ed Galungu that they are looking for what do you think about his immunity is it going to to be protected no, I don't want to speculate all that I am saying it may not be speculation you are looking at it from a legal point of view they were tempted to remove what they are trying to do now is first to find a ground what they are trying to do now is find some ground on which they can stand to say to the Zambian people we are removing Ed Galungu's immunity that's why they are groping in the dark and mark my ways that's the direction in which they are going why? because they told every Zambian that Ed Galso corrupt and I am not saying this because he is my friend if tomorrow Ed Gal is arrested for corruption you know that he stole from the Zambian people or not defend him but they told everybody that Ed Galso corrupt that he will just take a day for them to prove the corruption against him they have not done that so what do they do now they want to go and exhume the body of a dead man to prove how corrupt Ed Gal was we went down Mickey