 So let's check out this Swiss self-driving bus right here, the Sebit. There's no driver, has 11 passengers. Hi, can I do an interview with you? Hello? Yes, my colleague is coming, so she'll replace me. Alright. So basically you just guide, right? You're just guiding and showing off. So who are you? My name is Ramon Mueller, I'm working for Postbus, Switzerland. And what are we looking at here? This is a smart shuttle, it's electric, self-driving, is that correct? That's 100% correct, yes. So this is a smart shuttle, and it's 100% electric and 100% self-driving. 100% electric, 100% self-driving, it can have 11 people, is it real? Like I see it's from Switzerland, is it really in use or just a demo? Yes, if you look around you see all these nice images we have brought to you. There are from Switzerland, in Sion you see images from our daily operation, for example. This is daily, this is real. Yes, we operate on public roads in the city of Sion, Switzerland. That sounds cool, that sounds really cool. So what's the technology in there? If you can try to describe, it has cameras in the front, it has a LiDAR. Yes, you can see on the back three LiDAR sensors, the one on the top is a Velodain 360 LiDAR sensor. And on the lower part of the vehicle you can see two six sensors. So it has LiDAR and some other sensors and is developed by Swiss or French or who made this one? No, no, the vehicle has been developed by a French startup, the name is Navia, and we bought four vehicles from Navia, two are operating on public roads in Switzerland and two are traveling around the world for demonstration purpose like here at CBIT. So if I go to Sion and I want to watch football at the stadium, this will stop near the stadium? The Tourbillon, because I saw it was saying Tourbillon, right? That's what I remember is the name of the stadium, is it the area of Sion? Tourbillon is the name of a castle in Sion, so the vehicle stops near this castle in Sion. And how many people are using it? Since when are you driving around with this one? So in Sion we have per week about 500 people in the shuttle, tourists but also locals who use the shuttle every day. But there's no accident, it's just perfect, it's just going smooth? It's a test and we also discovered some issues, we had one accident, we call it incident, where we crossed a parked car with an open back door and this back door was very hard to see, also for the operator. So there were many circumstances leading to the fact that the vehicle crushed into this open door of this vehicle. That's fine, as long as it's not a dog or a cat or something, then nobody was hurt. So let me try to go closer to there to see, is it going to be able to see me on the road and avoid me? So you can now film me how I stopped the vehicle, just with my mind, okay? Just with your mind. There's no driver, nothing, you just push the button to do the route, right? So I'm going to think about stopping the vehicle now. Cool, that's cool. So it says Carpostale, it doesn't have to do with the Swiss post office? Yes, you know we have a business in Switzerland, this is post post Switzerland, but we also have a business in France. This is Carpostale France, so we don't only operate in Switzerland, we have in Switzerland 2,200 buses and about 900 buses in France. And what's the cost to operate something like this, compared to paying a driver to drive around and oil? Is it potentially in 5-10 years it's paid off? Today as we use a security driver on the shuttle, it's about the same cost as a normal bus. But in future, if we manage to get rid of the security driver, because the law has to change and we need permission to do that on open roads, then the cost will be lower. But you know we also have other jobs created around this product, because we have also an operating base where we have a control center with people working there, and also we need people for maintenance. And all you guys? And all us, to develop the system. Which is actually a cool job you have, you're going around the world showing it off and saying hey, everybody should get this kind of stuff. This is like the cool kind of entrepreneurial spirit and engineering and stuff. And Navya is a startup? Yes, that's right. Navya is a French startup. Is this the first product? We bought vehicle number 3 and 4 from them, and now they're ramping up. So yeah, we are in a very exciting stage of this project. Nice, I'm going to try to stop this guy. Okay, cool. Thank you. What is any chance we can jump on board this guy? This one is going to fill up and we can take the next one, right? Yes, sure. Let's go and look how it is and feels inside. So how long is the battery life? Well, yesterday we drove about 11 hours on this track and after the service we had still about 70% battery lifetime. That sounds like you can totally drive the whole day and charge at night. But it depends on speed, on air condition, if it's on or off. It depends on a lot of factors. All right, let's get the next one. And potentially the rides could be free, right? Because nobody is going to check the ticket. Yes, today it's free, yes. So it's free service and in theory there could be a scanner or something. In future there could be a scanner, yes. You can measure the weight and say, hey, you boarded and you didn't show your ticket. You can say something like that. How about making bigger ones? Because this one only has 11 capacity. It's possible that in future we also have bigger ones or smaller ones, yes. Okay, let's try to get on into one. Yeah, it's going to go on armdevice.net. Actually, I'm from Switzerland also and I'll post it on my YouTube. Let's try to board the self-driving bus. Post out too. I like what happened. Thank you. Can I use half the bus again? Yeah. Okay, let's try. Cool. So it has, it feels like a normal bus. Where's the driver? I'm not a driver. So you just push the start button and it will start, maybe. Please, you have to sit down when we write, please. You will be the driver? Okay. Cool. Is it okay you can talk about it on video? Yeah, I will. But perhaps not for an official interview. That's not me. Okay, let's ask this guy to come. So, I don't know, he is doing an interview already. Yeah. So, you just can perhaps wait for the next tour, but you can already make pictures. So, I just go. I don't speak German. So. Okay. Nice. He's got some work. Can I click? No, please. No, please. Okay. And it is so that, that's why this is a short track. We want to be a service. Bring a train. Okay. There we drive where the big ones don't come. And on short tracks. And often you have to stand. And you don't have to drive behind each other. To see the people there. And on big traffic. You can see on the right hand side, light test. Cool. Very cool. Yeah. Nice. So, let's see some bigger ones. Let's see those all over the world. Let's see a whole bunch of self-driving electric buses. That don't run over any cats and dogs. Because they have sensors.