 As soon as WikiLeaks had started to publish the State Department cables, this was also the time when Julian was arrested over the Swedish allegations. This all happened within a week. So it all came down at the same time. And then these major media organizations who had partnered with WikiLeaks then turned against Julian. And basically, I think the objective was to try to kill off WikiLeaks because it was a competitor because it had such an important impact and was a newcomer and a threat to the kind of gatekeeper function that we all know. So we have a montage of some MSNBC hosts reacting to Assange. I was wondering if you would roll that, Zach. And then we'd love to get your reaction. I have a follow-up question after that. Many establishment journalists in the U.S. considered Julian Assange to be a criminal whose work doesn't fit in the same category as their own. No journalism here. What we have is an act of espionage. The wholesale dumping of WikiLeaks actually isn't journalism. If you help in the stealing of classified material, nothing about the First Amendment is going to insulate you from charges that you stole, regardless of whether or not you publish it. I mean, you learned that day one in news business school. I find this whole montage very funny because we've actually seen this sort of reiterated, you know, basically from this time all the way up until now. I mean, it's still a thing that people talk about, maybe not with the specific espionage framing. But there is this line drawn between, well, these people are journalists over here, but these other people surely don't qualify. And so therefore, their First Amendment protections ought to be different. How do you feel when you see, you know, MSNBC hosts treating Julian Assange this way, Stella? Well, I mean, it's kind of, it's a bit disappointing because the criticisms that they use are just simply not true. You had Maria Ressa there. She was a CNN presenter and then she's a Nobel Prize winner and has herself faced political prosecution because of her journalism. And it's really disappointing that she says something like WikiLeaks dumping. This is one of the major mis, say, distortions concerning WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks does privilege the publication of archives, but it doesn't just dump. It's, you know, it provides context. It writes up context, it writes up analyses. It has redacted information and states the criteria for redactions and so on. But even so, I mean, all of this is really irrelevant, whether Julian's a journalist or not. The question is, is Julian accused of journalism? And he is. It is the activity that has been criminalized, not whether he falls into a category or not. It's the category of the activity that is being criminalized, receiving, obtaining, and communicating information to the public. Hey, thanks for watching that clip from our new show, Just Asking Questions. You can watch another clip here or the full episode here. New episodes drop every week, so subscribe to Reason TV's YouTube channel to get notified when that happens or to the Just Asking Questions podcast on Apple, Spotify, or any other podcatcher. See you next week.