 So I want to put my hand in the air and say I made a mistake. I got it wrong I made a blunder however you'd like to put it so a few weeks ago on this channel I published a video which was about the best pedal system for beginner cyclists And I was positioning the wahoo speed plays not because I was getting paid by anybody or because I've been bed with Wahoo simply because I've used to speed plays pretty much since I was a beginner cyclist for 13 years and I was trying to convince everyone why I thought they were the best pedal system and the mistake I made in that video was there was no real balance I was very biased and I didn't really realize until after I published the video that I kind of left out that very important Balancing point what are the pros and cons like Neil Stambry is about to go through but with mistakes comes learnings or reminders in this instance and Opportunities there were a lot of people in that video. I published talking about the SPD's the mountain bike pedal system for beginners Which I didn't talk about because I personally never used it didn't have much experience with it So I messaged Neil after the video and I said everyone's talking about these SPD's what do you reckon he responded saying they work but they're a mountain bike pedal system for a reason I Responded saying can we please make a video about it? So let's get into it, mate. Yes upgraded Sponsored rider now sponsored rider I see Neil Stambry chapter two. I got this for a steal. This is a chapter two. Who rude they're climbing bike from Not much not much. I can't say for fear that my wife will hear this But but not much. It's had a custom paint job by Ben Wallace It's an absolute beauty in the Sun looks very sparkly and and fancy mate, and you know, I'm a fancy guy So it's my kind of bike It's a bit more generous in the geometry than the old machine and a little bit less harsh The old BH is a rocket ship for racing, but I'm old now. I'm not racing anymore So gone with something a bit softer and smoother, mate So we'll have a have a rundown on this one on the other channel on the RCA channel soon Show you a bit more about why I picked it for the geometry and that kind of thing But yeah, great-looking bike and very happy with with the ride quality really good I Have temporarily fitted an SPD pedal because I know you've been copping flack on this one mate sleep sleepless nights You've been lying awake sweating at 3 a.m. In the morning because of the internet troll Because you did the video About the the pedal systems, you know, we yeah, which pedal system should I begin to choose and we we basically both and I But you and I agreed on speed place Dual-sided entry adjustable flow really easy to use the engagement system is much easier to get in and out of the adjustable tension Cleat there's a lot of positives for speed place a lot of people in the comment section were talking about SPD You know why were these not included in your video and you reached out to me because you've never used these You know, I'm really ridden a gravel bike or a mountain bike with SPD's Well, it's because you you hang around with cyclists mate not not hikers, you know So therein lies the main advantage of an SPD pedal system. There's a couple of advantages We'll run through these now. I've fitted an SPD compatible pedal here This is actually an sq. Labs pedal because I didn't have an XXT or Dior Shimano pedal floating around at the time, but this is a brand new one and this is an almost brand new SPD cleat attached to a very dirty old mountain bike shoe of mine. So pros and cons pros and cons The engagement system is very much like speed play. You sort of just push down on them and they go in so that's that's positive Jewel-sided second positive. Yep. Doesn't matter which side, you know If the pedals a bit off like that or a bit like that it'll probably still go in So you don't have to sort of flop flap around at a set of lights trying to flip the thing over They don't rotate one way or another. They just kind of sit there when you're clipping in So a little bit easier from that regard the big positive that people like about these is you can walk around in them Now I would suggest that we're in the business of riding bikes camera rather than walking around So I don't take that as a massive positive However, if you're a gravel rider, if you're obviously fear mountain biking That's a different thing because you got to be getting off the bike and pushing it up super steep hills and this kind of stuff A lot of the time you're walking around on rough ground It's going to get dirt in it speed plays clog up like that and Shimano, you know And look kiosk systems are not that much better. They also clog up So these are great because they don't clog up with gunk, right? But if you're not walking around on them if you're riding a road bike and it's you know You're not putting your foot into sand and grit and mud and that kind of thing you lose like that That's that's kind of a non-issue for me. So I would take that one sort of mostly out of the equation Jewel-sided entry easy to get in and out of yes, the disengagement is quite easy to have a lot of float Now the downsides the contact patch is very small the cleat is I don't know the size of a 20 cent coin, right? And the shoes are often flexible because they're mountain bike shoes They're not sort of most of them aren't super rigid like a road shoe So the shoe does tend to deform a bit and the small plate that's in there in the small contact patch of the cleat Means that you can get hot spots now a lot of there'll be a million people who reply to this video I've been riding them for 10 years. I never get hot spots. Yeah, absolutely heaps of people don't get them But heaps of people do as well There is a predisposition towards focal pressure from these things and that can lead to forefoot pain and hot Hot-foot hot spots. So this is you know This is probably a slight negative from from my perspective a speed plate cleat The base plate is probably five times the surface area which spreads the pressure over a larger surface area So there is the propensity for hot foot my biggest winch If you like from a bike fitting standpoint is the slop And I'll see if I can demonstrate the slop for you now now bear in mind this pedal system in this cleat here a brand new pretty much There's no wear and tear at all with these. So when these are worn they this gets a lot worse But this is a brand spanker And it rocks longitudinally along the long axis of the shoe now There's not a lot of rock But that's probably about three degrees of tilt which if your foot is as you're applying force to the pedal Allowed to rotate like this There's a bunch of biomechanical problems which can come from that not saying that they will but for a lot of people if the foot is Floppy or sloppy on the pedal You get you get trouble from from instability essentially and that's why I wouldn't sort of include them as a really good pedal system for a beginner You can get them from speed plays after a lot of wear Yes Yeah, so you've got to keep an eye if you've got speed plays keep them lubricated with a dry loop so that you Chisel out the base plate that's on the shoe and and hack into that and it gets unstable or use a protector plate a stainless protective plate To to basically protect the the thing the cleat retention system. So yeah, they they can do it as well Especially when they're badly worn It's one of those quirks with speed plays but these things just do it no matter what you know Even when they're brand new and with a bit of wear on the bottom of the the lip of the front of the cleat or something The rock becomes pretty significant and it can actually lead to trouble for a lot of people. So Oh, yeah 50 or 60 watts at least in this mate. Yeah, for sure. No Tough call might maybe is is the answer to that But most mostly the trouble will be instability and instability leads to a myriad of other potential small Problems. Yeah, so these are these are good as a beginner's pedal system that they for a road cyclist But I probably wouldn't choose them above speed place for all of those reasons. Yeah