 This is without question one of the more difficult topics to cover, not that it's difficult to cover, what it is is difficult to deal with people who probably may not, or I have to say it sometimes, don't handle themselves appropriately. There are people who will say things, who will do things because they feel like you don't believe the way they believe and so that means we can't get along. So for some reason, when we talk about this issue of predestination or it's cousin election, then people get bent out of shape and they go to name calling, sometimes they call your names that they think is a dirty word, that really isn't a dirty word. I'm gonna be called, I'm pretty sure by somebody, a Calvinist, I'm pretty sure. I'm not a Calvinist and just so you all know if anyone, if you don't know this, Calvinists aren't the only people that hold to predestination or election. They are not. If all you think of is Calvinism when someone states so, well then you're missing the big picture because a lot of people who disagree with Calvinists on different things, but still hold to this. It just is what it is. But if you want to call someone a Calvinist because they believe in predestination, well fine. Now the question is this, do you believe in predestination? I heard a guy once say to me, I don't believe in election and I don't believe in predestination. I said, well, wait a second, it's literally in the Bible. Do you mean to say, I don't believe election works this way or I don't believe that predestination works that way? If that's what you mean, then so be it, that's fine. But you cannot say that I don't believe in it when the words are literally in the Bible, okay? So it can be divisive sometimes and so I'm asking you guys, govern yourselves accordingly in the chats, in the comments, when you're at home contemplating this, when you're walking around, because a person differs on how we come to salvation. Cause the issue is this, if you place your faith in Christ and it's true faith, the Bible says that you are a Christian, you are saved. What we argue and debate over sometimes is how does that process start off? And then even sometimes, how does it end? Is there, what is our eschatology? What is our end times view? Okay, but if the main thing is the main thing, well, then we're cool. So govern yourselves accordingly. Now, one principle argument that people bring up is it violates someone's ability to choose. You'll hear this term banded about free will. I don't use the term free will, but if you want to use the term free will, that's fine. I know what you mean. What you mean is that your ability to choose. Now, I'll get to how I hold what I hold to in this issue of predestination, but truth be told, it does not violate your ability to choose in terms of as a human being. Your desire to choose God or not choose God is not violated. Now we're gonna find out that you don't even have a desire to choose him. So your main desire, your only desire, it's not effective. It's not, he didn't violate that. At least initially he doesn't. Now, someone's gonna have a problem with what I'm saying and where I'm going and I'm obviously gonna go through some scriptures and so. The question is though, your belief in predestination is God predetermines, predestines us based on one of two things. There is no middle ground. There is no right or wrong. I mean, there is no other. It's either or. One God predestines, God chooses God-elects based on him foreseeing what you are going to do. In other words, that him saying that you are going to choose him and then him saying that, he then predestines you. Or he predestines you irrespective of what you think you are going to do or not. His predestination happens outside of your choice. Or in spite of your choice. I'll get there in a second. So what we need to do is we need to go to a good passage to talk about what the word predestination means. So I wanna go to a passage that I think spells it out pretty clearly. Matter of fact, I even think it's a passage that kinda hard to get a lot of debate on this passage in terms of the definition of predestination. So let's go and I'm pretty sure most of you are thinking that he's probably going to Ephesians or no, he's definitely going to Romans chapter eight. Nope, not going either one of those. I'm going to 1 Corinthians, chapter two, verse seven. Let's look it up. Here it is. 1 Corinthians chapter two, verse seven, he says, but we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God which God decreed before the ages of our glory. Hold up. Wait a minute, Corey, what gifts? Predestination or predestination or predestination is not in there. So yeah, it is. It actually is. Remember, your Bibles are written in English but the word that's used to read the word predestination is actually in there. It's in the Greek and you'll see it translated as some of your views as decreed. And so there's the word. The word decreed, if you look on the right, it is the word pro-arisa. Now, let me just deal with this because I know we're gonna have this and so I'm going to try to be open and talkative and so forth and kind of interactive but what is it? Carl 2100, he says, Calvinism is a heretical view. Before I continue, Carl, you might be right. Carl, you may absolutely be correct. Now, moderators are stated not to date and what they mean by that is the name calling, let's keep it to a minimum because what you're saying is if someone holds to that view of Calvinism, then they're a heretic. Well, we don't wanna say that. Now, I would like for you though, I wanna give you an opportunity though to tell me, tell us all what makes it a heretical view? It may, listen, it might be incorrect but what makes it a heretical view? Because simply being wrong, that makes something heresy, does it? If so, then please tell me why would that, or anyone else, why would that be a heretical view? Now, I'm gonna also ask just in the spirit of fairness because someone might say the other view is also heretical than what would make that heretical because we need to get in the habit of one earning what we say. Let's just not say something just because it's because it's easy for things to fly off our mouth. We might be at home in our shorts or what have you, just kind of just hanging out, might be on our way home. You might be driving home in the car with the phone up while you're driving, watching and listening to Smart Christian Channel which by the way, you shouldn't do but if it's a Smart Christian Channel, it's okay, no problem. If the officer pulls you over, let him know, hey, Corey Miner's on, it's all good. He'll pull over with you and watch it. Now, he's gonna write your ticket but he'll watch it with you. So, what I need to know though, I need to know, not just from Carl, anyone else and I'm not getting on you, bro because a lot of folks say this, I want to know. When I was being trained, I would be asked questions such as, did Jesus Christ die on the cross? I would say, sure, certainly. And then Dr. Baldwin said, are you sure? Well, yeah, I wasn't until you said, are you sure? So, we'll prove it. He'd say, go prove it, okay. Now, you need to have the scriptures ready or at least be able to thumb through or find your way through to back up what you're saying because sometimes, let's be honest, sometimes we just say stuff because we've heard it from someone that we trust as though they can never be wrong. I've had this issue about the new covenant and so forth and I can promise you guys, a lot of people have initially reared their head and was upset at me and then after a while, okay, I think I see what you're saying because oftentimes we have not been made to earn a statement. So that being said, I'll go ahead and move forward though but if any of you guys can tell me why it's heretical, why do you think it's a, put it this way, why do you think it's a danger? Why do you think it can be harmful? Okay, let's put it that way rather than calling it heretical, why do you think it can be dangerous? And then the other side as well, why the flip side, why the flip view would be dangerous. Now, going back to our passage, look what he says, Paul says, but we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God, here's the word, predestined, your word may say decree, I'm not sure which translation you have, but if you look in the bottom left-hand corner, it's this Greek word, pro-arito, which is to matter of fact, what we need to do is, before we figure this out, we need to, yes I am, I am covering, someone asked me, am I covering Romans 829, I sure am. And we'll cover this whole issue of fordno, but before we get there, and this is why we're starting off in this passage, because what happens is this, what happens is this, sometimes we can take the word fordno in Romans 829, and I think people kind of mess that word up, but whether they do or they don't, we use that word to interpret pro-ariso, we use that word to interpret predestined. Well, in this passage right here, the exact same word, matter of fact, I think this is the exact same tense, exact same tense, that word means what it means, and fordno is not there. So we're gonna find out the definition of the word without using Romans 829, does that make sense? So let's go back to it, and what we're gonna do is, we're gonna look at our, my Hong Kong book of kung fu, we're gonna go over here, we're gonna click on this, here it is, we're gonna look up in the different lexicons and see. So let's just see what the lexicons say, I'll make these a little, let's get rid of these ones, I don't like this one. Let's go to, let's start with the B-dag first. Now the word is in the, let's see, matter of fact, let's make it big enough so you guys can see, all right, there it is. You still may not be able to see if you are watching on a phone, but let's see. It says to decide upon beforehand, determine to predetermine, okay, predetermine. Let's look at some others, let's look at, let's look at Mount's Greek dictionary, Mount is a Greek scholar, let's look at what he says, the word, the word is to limit or to mark out beforehand to design definitely beforehand, to ordain beforehand, to predestine, to predetermine. Let's see, let's, I don't know, that's gonna pull up all the different Greek words and we don't wanna do that. Let's see, let's go to, how about this one? Let's go to the, let's click on this and see what it says. I'm giving different ones so you all can see, it says to determine, to determine or decree beforehand. The piece of Christian church has been, this is giving a commentary, so the word means to determine before, before and determine. Now, there's a word that's connected to the word pra and horis, horis means to mark or to limit, to set a boundary. We'll cover that in just a little bit, but I wanted you guys to see just the definition. So now let's close this up a little bit, let's go back to that passage and now let's use the definition of that passage. The definition of that word is gonna be the meaning of that word, whether it's in this passage or every other passage, because guess what? The word predestined is not only used regarding salvation. So the word means what it means, okay? Are you all with me? I'm trying to be a little bit deliberate here because I want you all to see. And if it means that I've gotta change my mind, I gotta rethink what I've been led to believe, that's okay. There's nothing wrong with the Christian changing his mind. As a matter of fact, a lot of what I cover here and how I believe and feel, I've changed my mind. I've had to. I did not believe, like other topics, I did not believe in election. I did not believe in this predestination stuff. I did not believe in eternal security when saved always saved. I was a tongue speaking, being slain in spirit, falling out, kind of Christian. So there are a lot of things that I've changed. And again, I can be stubborn and so you've got to show me. And so faced with that, I gotta look at it and say, okay, well, this is what this passage is saying. If this is what the words have meaning, right? If the words have meaning and this word means what it means, well then fine. So what does this word mean? This word means to determine beforehand, to pre-select, to predetermine, to destined prior, okay? To limit in advance, to mark out in advance, to set boundaries in advance. That's what the word means. So now let's apply this word to Paul's writing here in 1 Corinthians 2.7, so he says, but we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God predetermined before the ages of our glory. So this wisdom, this salvation that he's speaking of, because as a matter of fact, let's keep it in context. Yet among the mature, we do impart wisdom, although it is not wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age who are doomed to pass away. But we impart a secret wisdom. This is the issue of salvation. A hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before inter-predestine, before the ages of our glory, none of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. So clearly without having any issues about regarding Romans 8, 28 and 29 and so forth, it's easy to see, okay, this is what this word means. God had determined beforehand this wisdom to be, okay? It's not talking about who's gonna get saved but he had determined before there was a us, before there was anything, before there was an earth, he had determined, he laid out, he marked out, he had destined beforehand that this was going to be the case. Are you with me? Knowing what the definition is, the definition of that word is not changed by the word that we're gonna now look at before that. Cause we gotta ask ourselves, is this a, is this a, well, you know what? No, let's stop. All right, D23, I'm gonna ask you as well. You say it's a tannic, other than, cause listen, if you can't, if this is what, let me just be, I'm gonna be a little bit harsh here. I'm gonna be a little bit harsh here. If all you can do is throw insults, that's not adult, that's not very mature. Now you might be an adult in age but it's not very mature, not very adult-like to hurl out insults or to say certain things and not back them up. It might sound fun, it might be funny to you, it might make you feel good but there's no edification, there's no growth, there's no learning, there's nothing doctrinally based about that. So I would ask you, like I asked others, like I asked others, who or why would you say it's, it's satanic? Please help us out. You said people fall in the wrong JC, that doesn't make any sense. And so remember if you, and let's just put it this way, you know the old saying they said if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. Well, if you can't say anything smart, don't say anything at all. If you can't say anything smart, don't say anything at all at all. Now you might have a smart perspective. Type it out. No, listen, listen, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on, you said, I'm not talking to you, I'm talking about, I get you're not talking about, that's fine, but I'm talking about the Calvinists who believe you're not saved if you still sin. I'm not talking, well I don't know which Calvinists believe that you're not saved if you still sin. Here's my point though, brother, here's my point. Or anyone else. Guys, and this is what I want us to do, say something. Guess what I figured out? Guess what I figured out. I might be wrong, but it seems like I figured this out. I think I figured this out. I figured out that if you speak in an adult fashion, you'll lose half your detractors. Half the people that want to argue with you will leave you alone. Half the people that argue with you if you want to leave you alone. By the way, let me just say this. Someone made some statements about me, even a video about me. I'm so hoping, I'm so hoping. I'm so hoping they re-engage with me and let's have this conversation. I won't even tell you what it is. Because, forgive me D23 if I misunderstood you, but I'm so hoping that the people, the person, and the persons engage and re-engage me. I really am. Have you ever had an argument? Have you ever had something in your hip pocket? It's like, okay, let's look at this. If you just come at someone, this is for the entire room, in an adult fashion, mature fashion, with your words succinctly stated, most people will just walk away. They just, they leave you alone. Yeah, is it Pagani? No, it wasn't Pagani. It was not Pagani. No, it was somebody else. It's somebody else who I actually, I do respect the person. But the person, I said something they didn't like or whatever and I won't even bring it up. I won't even bring it up because I don't want you guys in it yet. But it's one of those deals where okay, you misunderstood me because you think I have a certain motive and I can't wait. I'm through talking with them. I'm through talking with them. I just want to, let's have this conversation. I have this argument that I do. It goes like this. Because I believe that we ought to be consistent. We ought to be consistent. I believe this guy is the best quarterback ever. This guy said, no, this other guy time braids the best quarterback ever. Why? Because he's won more, more rings. Well, okay. So that means whoever wins the most rings, whoever wins the most is the best quarterback, right? Sure. And then I bring up somebody who was one of the best ever, who never won a ring and compare it with someone who won one or two. Oh, no, that guy's better. Wait a second, your argument's not consistent. And so I like to see if someone's going to be consistent. It's one of the things, one of the foundational things that we talk about here on this channel, your argument needs to be consistent. If your hermeneutics is not consistent from Genesis to Revelation, and all you're just giving opinions, you're just spouting off an opinion based on it. It might even be a correct or true opinion, but if you're not consistent and you don't have any grounding in the word, everyone says they do. But that might not necessarily be the case, right? So I'm not talking about Matt Ryan. Lord knows I'm not talking about him. Anyway, back on this. So we know what the definition of the word is. The definition of the word is going to preclude one particular argument being correct, but what it does is it's going to, it actually shows something about God. So now let's go to the passage that, by the way, by the way, by the way, before I go there, before I go there, I do want to go to passages that speak of the other part of this word. I said the word is pra horisso. The word horisso by itself is also used in scriptures. As a matter of fact, I'll pull up one passage, but then read off to some others just so we can just take a time we can move. And so he says here in Acts 1731, he says, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in his righteousness by a man whom he has appointed. And of this, he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead, which by the way, this also helps to deal with eternal security. But this word appointed is the word over here, horisso, which is the second half of the word porisso. So this word means the person has been appointed. So we know that if we add the prefix pra to it, it's saying something a little bit different. Appointed can have conditions to it. Pra horisso cannot have a condition to it, or else it would defeat the name that's given to it. You don't predetermine something based on something, because if you did, then you're not predetermined. Are you with me? If I walk into an argument or a discussion and I have already predetermined what I'm going to say before I hear the argument, then I can't come and say, no, no, no, no, no. I'm making my statement based on what you said. But wait a second. Your argument is already written down. Before I even say anything, you have predetermined what you're going to say. And so to predetermine something is not based off of anything. That's just what the word means. It's hard to come back and say it's predetermined based off of, but that's just not. Now the word horisso is, it can be based off something, but the word pra horisso does not. So let's go to the passage. The hot and heavy passage folks, one of them, that people have an issue with. And then we'll just jump into it. By the way, Son and John, thank you. You said the words free will are not in the Bible. You're right. It's not, and I had a discussion before the word free will. Free will is really not in the Bible. But if a person wants to, if a person wants to use it, fine. I don't fight it as much. I really don't because regardless of what they mean, regardless of what they mean. Matter of fact, we're going to cover this issue of will in just a second. Free will, limited will, whatever you want to call it. But we're going to cover that in just a second. So let's go to the passage. Romans 8, let's start in verse 28. And we know that God causes all things to work. Matter of fact, the word of the cause is really the word. He works all things to work together. For now, by the way, the implication of this, God works all things to work. It's God doing the work. And he does them so that all things work for the good of those, which is why they use the word costs to kind of help us understand. So we don't have this word work and then work again. It may cause a little bit of a misunderstanding. But anyway, but the word that's used here for cause is the word, sunerge, which is with work. So he causes everything to work together for those, for the good of those who love God, to those who are called according to his purpose. For those whom he foreknew, he also predestined to become conformed to the image of his son so that he would be the first born among many brethren. And so the issue is, those people are predestined because God foreknew. Well, that's not what that says at all. This is not what it says. It's not that God foreknew something and then based on that, he predestined them. Again, what does the word predestined mean? And so if I say based on him foreknowing something, then he predestines this. Well, there'd be no need for the word predestined. It would be based on him foreknowing something, then he destined something, not predestined something. Are you guys with me? We do have a word for to destined or to appoint or to choose. And also we have other words that would go along with it to help us to understand if there is a condition placed on what God is doing. I'm going to cover that some more. But there is no condition placed here. There is no condition placed here. So you can't say that I'm using the scriptures and you don't see a condition. And foreknow is not the condition. It says those who we foreknow, he also predestined. Who did he predestined? Those who we foreknew to be conformed to the image of his son. Well, what does the word foreknow mean? That'd be interesting to find out. Since we're going to talk about the word, the word foreknow does not mean it does not. I'm sorry, guys. It may bother us folks, but it simply does not mean that God looks through the lens of time and sees who's going to choose him. I'm going to cover that in just a minute why it cannot mean that even based on other scriptures. Even based on someone said, I like that. The last couple of videos had over 700, only 300 people. Because you know why. You know why somebody will say, Corey, all you do is cover these heretics, these wolves, all you talk about. No, I don't. You just don't show up for the other. So I'm thankful that you 300, 400 people are here. I'm thankful for that. Matter of fact, there was a time where I couldn't get 300, 400 people to watch a video, let alone come to a live chat. So that didn't bother me, which is why we go over these things more than once. So anyway, back to this. Matter of fact, you know what? I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. I want to go ahead and deal with it right now. Because someone's going to say that based on God's foreseeing what you're going to do, then he's going to choose. This is where the issue of free will can come in. This is where we see. Matter of fact, let me ask you guys a question. If God foresees who's going to choose him, what about passages that say that we won't choose? Let's give a couple of passages that state that we won't. How about Psalm 14-2? He says, the Lord looks down, I don't know if you all can see, let me make it a little bit bigger. The Lord looks down from heaven on the children of man to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. What does he say? If he's looking for some, the question is, if he looks after or looks for somebody who understands and is going to seek after him, there's got to be an answer. Yes or no? So what do you all think? When God looks down, does he see anybody who understands him or his word or more to the point? Does he see anybody that's going to seek after him? There's the question. When God looks down and sees anyone that's going to see if anyone is going to seek after him, will he? So he says, they have all turned aside together, they have become corrupt. There is none who does good, not even one. And then of course, if we go to Romans 3, the Bible says there are none that seek after him. So Old Testament, New Testament. So it's clear nobody seeks after him. So how could you come back and say that God looks at the lens of time and sees who's going to seek after him when he says nobody's seeking after him? That's the issue. The issue is, this relates to your free will, if you guys believe in free will, fine. Fine. If you have free will and God sees that none of us through our own free will is going to choose him, well, there's your free will right there. There goes your will. There goes your volition. There goes your ability to choose. You choose to sin. You choose to do all the wrong thing. You do. The Bible says there's not one. Now, someone's going to say, well, what about this person? What about that person? Well, what about the Bible when it says there's not one? Do you think maybe the understanding might be on the person who's trying to say, well, I suppose I might put Joe, that maybe Joe wouldn't one either? Maybe. And so that's the case. We can't have two pastors at least right here that say nobody seeks after him. There's nobody good, nobody. Now, what God has done in the past was he's put out a system to allow people to allow people. All right, let's do this. All right. I'm sorry, bro. I can't deal with you. He puts out a system to allow people to, because here's the question. Did anybody ever without the Holy Spirit choose God, choose something right in the in the past, especially in the Old Testament? Sure. Sure. We see people without the Holy Spirit make a step and do something good. We see that. What was the problem? Anybody can do something good for the moment. Yeah, you know what? I think that and then leave and then walk away. Leave no, no, no holding power, no faith. That's the issue. No man has that ability to seek and keep seeking. Nobody has that ability in himself because the Bible just says so. No one wants to. No one wants to. No one wants to keep. God, I don't feel like it. Yeah, you know what? Right now I feel like doing my own thing. And so now there are people who we see that have faith. That's when I brought up Abraham. Abraham's faith was faith for a day that he'd have some doubt. He did. Abraham waver a lot, but his faith was still, tells us something about our faith. Tells us something about our faith, right? Did I struggle in my early walk? Sure, struggled in my early walk, my middle walk, my later walk. That's just what a Christian does. This is what we do. We struggle. But things be the God that we have a Savior who has redeemed us. And so our struggles are not counted against us. There is no longer a need for sin when the debt has been paid. Praise God. Amen. So he says there's no one that seek after him. So how then can we go back to Romans 8 28? I'm 29 and say that God looks through the lens of time and sees who's going to choose him or seek after him. Well, he won't see anybody. He won't see one person. By the way, if you hold to this view of predestination that God predestines based on who we foreknew. And we look at the word foreknew in just a second, but it does so based on that fact. But then you also believe that you can lose your salvation. And I bring up this passage in revelation about someone's name being blotted out and that we find out that names have been written in the book of life before the foundation of the earth. My question then is, how could a prayer, it's a contradiction, great contradiction. How could a person, how could God write their name in the book before the foundation of the world? How could he do that after seeing that they are going to choose him, but then also seeing that they're going to leave him? Those two don't make sense. He saw that they're going to choose him and then he writes his name, but then he doesn't see that they're going to walk away. They're going to stop believing in him or he sees they're going to believe him and then also sees they're going to stop believing but still writes their name. What do you mean? What about Jesus? He says, what about Jesus? I'm not sure what you're asking fruit inspector. What about Jesus? Who by the way, he's a wild card. If there ever was an ex fact, if there ever was an outlier, Jesus, he's not like us. He's not like us. I agree with you, Mimi Jean. I certainly, and I'll show you why I agree with you guys in a second. Now, this issue of free will, the question is, if God predestines and chooses, then what does that do to our free will? Does it make us like robots? We'll cover that in just a little bit, but I want to go back over this passage. Romans 828, I mean, 829 keeps saying 28 because I have it up on the screen. 829, let's look at the word. And so we can deal with that word, the definition of that word, for those whom he foreknew. So let's go to this word pro-egno and let's click and see what this word. Let's go to the trust in Hong Kong book of kung fu. Click it. And let's go to the B-dag on this one and let's make it bigger so you guys can see. I hope you guys can see this. To know beforehand or know in advance. To know what? To know what? Now, closely connected is the idea of choice that selects, I mean, that's just foreknowledge. It says, choose beforehand. So when Tenna is also involved, it means he has chosen beforehand. Are you seeing this guys? Okay. So if it has, if it connected with a someone or somebody such as it does in Romans 829, then it means to choose beforehand. So in this case, when we look at the word foreknowledge, according to the B-dag, is it possible the B-dag could be wrong? It's possible, but it is kind of the standard of Greek lexicons. It means to, you'll see someone will say that it foreordains, forechooses. And so if foreknowledge is to know what they're going to do, well, we don't have a scripture basis to say that God sees what they're going to do and based on that, he turns around and predetermines them. Because why would you use the term predetermine or predestine or pre-select or pre-favorite? Why would you use that term if, because think about it, I'm not predestining you if I see what you're going to do. That's not, that's a lie. That's what that is. That's a fib. That's not true. That's not accurate to say that I, I saw, listen, I saw what you're going to do. And so because of that, I chose you first. No? No? Let me answer this question. Is it possible that the concept of free will is satanic? I never thought of it like that. Is it possible that the, I wouldn't say, no, no, but I'll tell you this though. It is possible that, I don't think that necessarily the way that we look at free will or call free will is necessarily biblical, but whether it is or whether it isn't, Satan can certainly distort it and can distort our understanding because it gives us the ability to think that we have the ability and the right to cause and the choosing to do things. And you see that as a matter of fact, inside every heresy, inside every false teaching is a I, is a me, is I have this ability. It's not one of the, that I'm trying to think of one. I don't want to say everyone, but virtually every heretic that I can think of, that you guys can think of, every heresy, every false teacher that I, that you can think of, they hold to this view of free will that is such that I control my salvation, I keep my salvation through what I do and I can lose it. Isn't that interesting? They all hold to that. I can't think of the one that, that doesn't, I can't, I can't think of the one that doesn't. Now, is there somebody out there? It may be. I'm just saying, I can't think of one. And so what does Satan want to do once it's be just like him? And being like him begins with I, what I believe, what I want to do, I've got the ability to hold myself, to keep myself from sin. And I've got the ability also to do other things. Now, Seal Secure says that free will is biblical. That's, that's fine. Listen, I won't fight you guys on that. When I say free will is not, I say that what I really mean to say is that we have the ability to choose. So what, what would you call it? If you didn't, if you couldn't use the term free will, what would you use? The ability to choose, the actual word is volition, which is the ability to choose. I believe we got the ability to choose. But in that, we just don't choose right. Because our choices, our desire, our moving is governed by something. Whether we're a Christian or not, if we are a Christian, well then our choosing is motivated and influenced by the Holy Spirit. Does it always result in us doing the right thing because we have the Holy Spirit? No, it doesn't. But if you tell me the Holy Spirit has no influence on your choosing, then you're, then what you're telling me is you're not a Christian. You're not saved. But then also, if a person is unsaved, being tempted to send nature, that flesh has no influence over that will. And so therefore the will is not that free after all, is it? But we'll get to that in just a little bit. We'll get to that in a little bit. But so he says, those who we foreknew, he predestined, he predestined, he predetermined, he preselected, he limited in advance, he marked that in advance to become conformed to the image of his son so that he would be the first born among many brethren. And these whom he predestined, because if foreknowledge was seeing what someone's going to do, again the word just doesn't say that. It just says foreknow, someone wants to supplant what they think the word foreknow means foreknow what. But if foreknowledge is that important, how come we don't cover it again in verse 30? And those whom he foreknow, he also predestined know, and those whom he predestined, he also called. And those whom he called, he also justified. And these whom he justified, he also glorified. And what he's really doing is, this is kind of just how the language works. He's not really saying one is based off, he's just kind of run down the litany, especially in verse 29. He's run down this list. And so I've done this. Oh yeah, I did this. It's almost like me saying that a Christian is repentant. It's almost like I'm saying a Christian is baptized in the Holy Spirit. I'm not giving an order of things. People try to do that, but it's kind of hard to determine that when I know that instantaneously of my faith, then I am baptized in the Holy Spirit. And at that moment, I am repentant. So what comes first? It's hard to say. People can surmise an opinion, but there's no biblical basis to say which one comes first. And the same thing is happening here. We're trying to put a chronology to it, and maybe we can't put a chronology to verse 29. But if you think you can, still verse 29, the word for note does not mean he foreknew what we're going to do. Now we're adding extra words to it. Are you with me? So the issue is, and let's go ahead and get these other passages that people have an issue with. That's going to be the understanding of Ephesians 1.4. So let's go to it. And I've heard people give explanations. It's like, that's just, it's not even good grammar. It's not good English grammar. It's not good Greek grammar. And again, guys, we use Greek here. If you got a problem with Greek, wrong channel to be it. It's just wrong place to be because we are going to use some Greek because the Greek helps. It just does. So let's go to Ephesians 1.4. I'm sorry. Bless it be the God and Father of our Lord, Christ, Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in every, in Christ with every spiritual blessing in heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy, blameless before him in love. Let me see this room. So the question is, he chose us. This word that shoes here is the word X. I'm sorry. I'm doing two things at one. I'm sorry, guys, is the word X. X lock stuff. X X a lot. I can't say this word because I'm doing two things at one. Notice though, in the bottom left hand corner, if you notice, this word is the heiress middle indicative. Why does that or does it mean anything? Does the fact that it's the heiress middle mean anything? Well, yeah, it does. If it's in the middle passage, it means that someone did it to us on behalf of themselves for their benefit. So God chose us for his benefit on behalf of his benefit. Now, the issue is some people are going to say that what was chosen was Jesus was chosen to be the vehicle by which we can be saved. Are you with me? I need you all to follow this argument and I need you all to see how it is incorrect based on the grammar. As a matter of fact, it's incorrect based on the English grammar and also the Greek grammar. If I say I threw the ball to John, I threw, obviously threw as a verb, the ball to John. The ball is the direct object. The indirect object is John to John. Are you with me? I threw the ball to John. The statement is good enough if I just said I threw the ball, but to John adds it. And so it lets me know who the indirect object is. So when I have an indirect object added, it tells me who the focus is. The focal point is, and in this case, what's being chosen and then been chosen into what? The into what would be the indirect object and that's not what's being chosen. Are you with me? Let me know if I'm, this is why you guys should have paid attention in high school English. I did neither when I was when I was learning Greek. It's like dog gone. I should have paid attention because you go over that stuff again. So the issue's got to be if we can figure out what the indirect object is, then we can figure out what is being chosen. Now the indirect object in this case is going to be what's called the dative case. The accusative case is going to be what's called the direct object. So if we find out what's in the accusative, that's the direct object. That's what's being chosen. The dative is being chosen to be in something. So it could not be if Jesus is in the dative, then we could not come back and say that he was the one or by him is what was chosen. I had a time. Let's go there. I hope I didn't confuse you guys or bore you guys too much, but let's look at it. He says, even as he, that's God, chose us, there it is, ex eloxita, us in him. This is all we have to look at, us. This us hemas, this is in, look in the bottom left hand corner. This is in the accusative, meaning guys, the us is the direct object. He chose us. Who us is this? A sheep is this? There we go. I had to get the word sheep is in there. He shows us is this? Us cheap is this? A sheep plural sheet. And so since we're down in the south, a sheep is this? He chose us to be in him in him. Auto is in the dative. Look in the bottom left hand corner. Guys, if you see that, it says pronoun, personal third person, masculine singular three, I'm says three masculine, singular dative. So the one that's that the alto is Jesus. So we were chosen and it wasn't that Jesus was chosen. And so you can't come back and say that Jesus is the big Jesus was chosen. What was chosen is that if we if we're in him, then we go to heaven. That's not good grabber that violates grammatical rules, English and Greek. English and Greek. And the reason why people will do that is because it just doesn't fit their narrative. I've seen intelligent people say that no, no, what's what was chosen, what was elected was Jesus being the vehicle. It's almost like Jesus is the bus that's going to get us there and that bus is what was chosen. And so all we have to do is get on that bus. That's not how the passage read. No, what was chosen is us. And then we were chosen to be if we're going to call him the bus on the bus. And so we were the ones that were chosen. He chose us. Why is that important? Because he chose us from the foundation of the world. That's the point. He chose us. Us as a sheep assist. Now who are the sheep? We don't know. There are a lot of people run around calling themselves sheep and look like sheep. It may not be sheep. That is what we don't know. And we don't have the ability to pick and choose who the sheep are. All we know is if you happen to be a sheep, if you happen to be one of the sheep, you were chosen. If you happen to be a sheep, you were predestined. Now someone says, well, does that violate free will? Okay. Fine. Let's let's say it violates free will. First of all, if it does and you find yourself in heaven because your will was violated, I don't think you're going to complain. But if it violates free will, here's my question. Does God ever violate someone's free will? So the question on the floor guys, ladies and gentlemen, male sheep assist, female sheep assist. Girl sheep assist, boy sheep assist of all ages. Does God ever violate someone's free will? I just want to know before I move forward. Does God ever violate free will? You folks in the chat, you for some foreign and some plus people in the chat, those folks in the comments and answers question. Does God ever violate free will? I see yes. I see no. I see yes. Does he violate free will? We need to know this. It needs is the question on the floor. I see no. I see some yeses. I see a thumbs down. Someone says, but we have free will. I see no. Let me ask you guys a question. Somebody says, Mr. he says all the time. So let me ask you guys a question. To violate free will, that is my will. My free will is what I want to do, what I want to have happen, my choices. Did God violate Mary's free will? Just a question. I just want to throw that out to you guys. You guys are smart Christians. You can you can help me out. Did God violate Mary's free will? Did God violate Nebuchadnezzar's free will? He absolutely did. He violated Mary's free will. Mary didn't ask you pregnant. Nope. Did Nebuchadnezzar ask to be a cow? He violated Nebuchadnezzar's free will. Yes, he did. What about Pharaoh's free will? Yes, he did. He said he hardened. Now who knows if Pharaoh would have let them go had God not hardened his heart. He said he tells Moses he won't let him go because I will harden his heart. Now, what about Israel? Because we're talking about just like one person, one. Okay, that's one instance. That's another instance. That's another instance. That's another instance. Okay. Okay, he'll do it from time to time. But he won't do a large group of people like that, would he? But what about Israel? Did Israel ask to have a spirit of stupor over them? Did Israel ask to have their eyes blinded? Do you think that is that violating Israel's free will? Sure it is. Sure it is. God is the one Paul tells us in Romans 11 that Paul tells us that God has given, has blinded their eyes, has given them a spirit of stupor. And he says why and when? He says why? He gives them this spirit of stupor for time until the fullness of the Gentiles has come. You know what that means? The fullness of the time of the Gentiles because this is the time of the Gentiles guys, from the beginning to the end, there's an end date. Don't know when it is. Do not know when the end date is. How many Jews died in this whole process between the time that the Gentiles time started and ended? From the full fullness of the Gentiles, the time of the Gentiles, how many Jews died? A whole bunch. And those Jews died with their eyes blinded. Not all because some people, because there are, we do have some what we call Messianic Jews, but as a nation overall, their eyes are blinded according to Paul. Their eyes are blinded. Was that, was it their will to have their eyes blinded? No, it was not. God did that. That's right. He hardest whom he hardest. And so he can do what he, here's the thing guys, I said this before in our Bible said, which Bible we'll be picking back up, wrote to be soon. God is not Las Vegas. I need, I need you guys to figure this out and get this, understand this, God is not Las Vegas. Well, what do you mean Corey? Well, here's what I mean. He doesn't predict. He doesn't, he doesn't place for wages. He doesn't, he doesn't play the odds. No, God does not predict. He determines. He determines. Can I, can I, can I, can I give you some scriptures? Acts 4 28 says, I'll just read these off. I have them already written. I don't want to put them on the stage, but he says, he says to do whatever you, matter of fact, you know what, no, I'm sorry, I'm gonna put them on because I want you guys to see this. He determines this. So let's see what he's determined. Let's start in verse 27. For truly this, for truly in this city, there were gathered together against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod, look what he says, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate along with the, wait a second, hold up, wait a second, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He says that God anointed Herod, Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel. He, now we know, we know, we should know, even without reading the next passage, what they did. He anointed them. He anointed them. This is God's working. He anointed them along with Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the people of Israel. What to do, whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place. He saying, he anointed, that's him choosing Herod and Pilate and these Gentiles and the people of Israel to do what his hand and his plan had predestined to take place. Let's back up a little bit. If you don't mind backing up. And I'm sitting here looking at my, where's this thing at? I'm doing, I'll tell you, I do a few things at once. And so, I'll tell you, what's wrong with this thing? Okay. All right, there it is. So, what plan? What plan is he talking about? Jesus makes a statement. He makes an odd statement too, as a matter of fact, when you think about it, it's pretty, pretty odd statement. Pretty odd statement. Jesus makes a statement. He says, I didn't come to destroy the law, but to fulfill the law. How was Jesus going to fulfill the law? And by the way, how does Jesus know that He's going to fulfill the law? How does God make these prophecies and know these prophecies are going to happen? Is God guessing? My best guess, my best estimate is that this will happen and that will happen. No, he's not that. No, that's, no. God is not a false prophet. God is not taking a chance. God is not. That's a good question. Let me pull it up. Let me pull it up. Let me pull it up. Sealed secure. I'm going to cover that. That's a absolutely valid question. I want to cover that. I'll mark that because I do want to cover that because that necessarily has to be answered. Okay. So I'm going to get to your question. Very good question. But God determined what was going to happen. Question is, when did God, when did God determine what He was going to do? God determined what He was going to do about 7.13 p.m. Yeah. Once He saw what you're going to do at 7.12 p.m., He decided what He was going to do at 7.13 p.m. No, God, it's not, no. Now, the order of how He did things and determined things, we don't know. But remember, God had already set up this sacrificial system, this blood-atoning system, and then He also states that He is going to supply the blood of His own. He Himself, I myself, am going to provide the blood. That's what He says. Well, how does He know, how does He know, because He's speaking about Jesus, who is God, how does He know that Jesus is going to shed His blood? And He's not saying that Jesus is going to just get a knife and cut His wrist and shed His blood, that way or cut His own stab himself. No, He's not saying that. God knows, God has stated, God has determined that Jesus is going to die. He's going to pay this price. Now, how does He know that? Is He guessing? He's looking throughout time and saying, I see that they're going to do that. So, I see that they're going to do this if I place Jesus there. Is that what He's doing? No, He just told us the plans that He had predetermined to take place, that He had destined to take place. And He didn't place Jesus in the middle of it. No, this was marked out for Jesus to do, and He put the people there. He put, He anointed Herod, part of these Gentiles, these Jewish people to do so. That's what He did. Now, we'll see that He also, in this issue of will being violated, Jesus stated that the problem with people is that we might make a choice for the moment and then walk away, which is in faith. We might say, you know what, I see that placing my faith in Christ is a good thing. I really do. That's a good idea. I ought to get saved. Every man who's ever thought that without the moving of the Holy Spirit thought it and then went back to something else. That's why you have folks that, yeah, I'll get it, but not right now. I'm not ready. I believe what you said is correct. I know it. I know it to be the truth, but then walk away. I know that Christ died on the cross from me. I know that's the truth, but then walk away. By the way, that's departing, guys. That's departing that belief. Departing from that belief is someone knowing that it is, but then walking away. Are you with me? Believers don't do that. But the reason why they do that, there's nothing in there to move them. But so how does God, how does God even know that anybody else was going to do that? When he's already told us that no one seeks after him. So if no one seeks after him, how does he ensure that Jesus' death won't be in vain? He's got to do something, doesn't he? Well, that's where John 3 comes in, and Jesus states that this regeneration happens is a result of the Holy Spirit. And just like the wind, we don't know where it's coming from and where it's going to. The same it is for those who are born of the Holy Spirit. And he says, he says in John 1, that it's not by the will of man or flesh or blood, but by the will of God. So this is his imposing, if you will, on our free will, on our will to not want to come to him because we don't want to come to him. That's our free will. That's our will, which is interesting. I'm looking at J. Will right now, thinking about free will. And that's a good question. That's a good passage you put up there. That's a good passage you put up there. So God says he's going to do so. He said he's going to do so. And he says, do you know that God actually prophesied that he is going to violate man's free will? Do you know that God prophesied he's going to violate man's volition that man's will? Do you know God actually said that? Where is that at? Cory just making stuff up. Where did he say that he's going to violate man's volition? We didn't say it quite that way. But tell me if this isn't the case. Look what he says. We've covered this passage before and this is why we cover these passages over and over again so people can see these things and hear them and kind of hide them in their heart and gain an understanding. Look what he says. He says that I will, in verse 25 of Ezekiel, I will sprinkle clean water on you and you shall be clean from all your inclinuses and from all your idols. I will cleanse you active and we are passive in this and I will give you a new heart. If God gives anybody a new heart, is that their free will being violated? Let's see. I will give you a new heart and I will put a new spirit within you and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. Here it is. And I will put my spirit in you and cause you to walk in my statues and be careful to obey my rules. Now look at this word right here. This word for cause. This word for cause is the word assa which is to make, to fix. So God says I will make you. I will cause you. I will fix it so you I will make you walk in my statues. Is that violating somebody's free will? If I make you do something, I make you do it. Is that going against your free will? I need to know. Now call it free will. Call it limited will. Call it volition. Call it whatever you want to call it. Your desire. Is that God doing it or are you doing it? It's him doing it. He just he literally just said so he says and he says I will do this. So it's going to happen. I will make you walk in my teachings which is why we know that when a person becomes a believer the Holy Spirit comes in them. He makes them stay. He makes them walk. You saying God makes us robots? Call it what you want to call it. If that bothers you, fine. Robot me all the way to heaven. I'm good. Be me up Scotty. Take me to heaven. Robot and all. Doesn't matter what so I don't care. But this is why he calls us. He says that we are adopted. He adopts us. I have two buddies. Two real good buddies. Both of them from prison. And they both I was using this analogy in the middle of a sermon. And one of them was like, man, yeah, that hit me. This this this is the real we call him D boy. The real real tough one. And then the other one older guy. The tough guy. He's like, yeah, that hit me. The older he's crying. He's crying in the military. Why are you crying? You messed up my sermon. You crying in front of me. What it was was I said, how God adopts us. And he didn't he didn't sound like he went to a Russian orphanage and chose us because we were beautiful babies. No, just chose us just because even knowing chose us even knowing what we're going to do. Knowing that we'll be liars. We'll be fees. We'll be all these different wretched things. We'll be the worst of the worst. And still to choose us. And he's just crying. The reason why he's crying is because he's thinking about his parents. How they adopted him. Both these guys were adopted, but they adopted him. And he has taken his parents through all these hardships. And you know what his parents still do? Love them. Love them. Love. And they have natural born children, but they treat him just like the rest of it. And he's in prison. Yeah, he's the black sheep of the family. Let him go. He's the bad one. I don't even know why you brought him into the family. He ain't no good. And he's like, I know I'm no good, but I'm thankful that they love me anyway. That's the beauty of us being adopted. Not based on any particular marriage. And I'm going to get this issue of marriage in a second. But he violates our free will, our will, our desires by making us walk in his teachings. It's not my words. It's his words. It's what he says. Now, I want to pull up a passage and then I want to deal with with a secure, was it seal secured? So yeah, seal secured ass. I want to deal with this. If you think that God sees throughout through the lens of time and sees what you're going to do. And then, and then, wait a second, wait a second. I'm so glad somebody put me on the spot and I've got to address it. Because if I don't address it, he might think, aha, I got Corey. I got 11. He's wrong. He's not being consistent. Because what did I say at the very beginning? You got to be consistent. Look, listen, this is a good question. It's a good statement. It's a good statement with a good answer though. With your dispensational hermeneutics, shouldn't this Ezekiel 36 passage be attributed to Israel, not us? Absolutely right. Sort of. Here's why. Because he's right. The passage is made towards Israel. It is. It applies to Israel. Now, Jesus has this conversation in John 3 with who? A Jew. And it's saying you, a teacher of Israel, don't know this. And Jesus uses the word of being born again. G'nephe anothim. That's the word. Born again. Or in this case, born from above. And so he says, so it is, like I said, the sun, the sun. The wind blows. You don't know where it's going from or where it's going to. He makes a statement. So it is, of matter of fact, can I, let's just do this. Let's put it on the screen. He says, so it is of everyone. I think it's verse eight. I think it's verse eight. Yeah, here it is. The wind blows where it wishes and you hear it sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is of everyone who is born of the Spirit. Now, look here, Brother John. I want you to notice something. Notice what he says to everyone. The everyone that's here is pos, everybody. That includes every single solitary person, which every single solitary person he's talking about, everyone who is, here's that word, giga naming us. Those that have been born. And if you look at the bottom right hand corner, this word giga naming us is derived from the word genomai, which means to be born. Okay. So everybody who is born, that's how it happened. Jesus referencing Ezekiel 36, in regards to Israel, but he says everybody who is born is born this way, not just Israel. How do I know also go to John one? John one, I think it's, I won't say 10, I'm not sure. No, I think it's 14. Yeah, 13. He says verse 12, let's start in verse 12. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become chosen of God. Here it is. Who were born, and this word for born, agonite the son, which is look at the bottom of the corner. Again, it's the word for genomai, which is to be born. They were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor the will of man, but of God. So in Ezekiel, he's talking specifically about Israel, but he applies this to everyone who is born again. Are you with me? So that's why it's, and by the way, so that's a good question. Now, let's move this puppy a little further. Chris Lee, thank you so much. His predestination is man's word, our father sees our birth, our sin, our good works, our death, our right now. Most importantly, he sees Christ's sacrifice. I agree with that. So now I want to read a passage that you need to know. If someone thinks that God sees throughout the lens of time and sees what we're going to do, if he sees that we're going to choose him, and so he sees that we choose him, then he chooses us. Well, first of all, that makes John incorrect because John says that he chose us, that we choose him after he chose us. He chose us first, and that we love him only after he first loved us. So it can't be that we chose and loved him first, then he decided to choose and love us secondly. No, no, he did the choosing first, then we chose. Now, if you think that God looks and sees our actions, our works, and then based upon that, he determines us, he predestines us. Let's read this passage. Titus 3.5. He, that's Jesus, saved us not because of works done by us in righteousness. In other words, he doesn't save us because he sees we're going to choose him. No, that's not why. He but according to his own mercy. He chooses us not because of what he sees our works. He chooses because of his own mercy. Now look what we hear and look what it says right here. He does so by the washing and regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit. So the question that Brother John asked earlier about this dispensational issue, he brings it here and this is Paul speaking in relation to the Gentiles, obviously, because that's who's the apostle too. He brings up this issue of being born again here. This issue regeneration. The word that's used here for regeneration is palin, which is the first part of it, genema or genesis, genesis, which is again born. Look at the bottom of the corner. You see the word palin, which means again and then genomide the word for born. So that's what the word regeneration means. The word regeneration refers to being born again. And so this also refers to us. So how does God, how and why does he save us? Not based on somebody's work, not based on seeing somebody choosing him. No, based on his own doing, the on his own washing and regeneration of us. And we already know that it's not based on us. It's based on the spirit. The spirit doing the choosing. Now, that does bring up a problem. That does bring up a problem. I want to read this past, read this question. SEAL Secure says, did God predetermine people to spend eternity in hell? Because that would, because that's one of the biggest arguments people have. The issue with predestination, the issue with election is it's not fair. Now, before I go there, if you think that predestination election is not fair, just simply place your faith in Christ. That's all. Simply place your faith in Christ. Now, I believe there's a reason why you would even do so, but if you feel like that, that because your own accord, your own desire, your own purpose, your own will, that you do so, fine. Fine. Place your faith in Christ. Whether you believe in eternal security or not, whether you believe in election or not, whether you pretty believe in predestination or not, whatever unit is you believe in, whether you believe in free will or not. Place your faith in Christ. That's the main thing. Do that. Do that and you'll be good. Now, this issue of God, will God send someone to hell? First of all, name the person. Uncle Bob. Cousin Sue. Somebody's grandma is going to be in hell. Hate to say it. Somebody's grandpa is going to be in hell. Hate to say it. Everybody that finds himself in hell earned themselves a ticket to hell. You don't, there's nobody in hell that says I don't deserve to be here. That's not. If I decide I want to start randomly picking people in the chat and just cash-apping them $100. If there are 400 people in the chats right now, and I send 40 people $100, 360 didn't get it, but do 360 people deserve that money? No. Now, the 40 that I give it to also don't deserve it. Now, is that fair or unfair? That's not fair, but so what? Who? God didn't have to be fair. God. Gee, listen, we'll see Jesus walk through the crowd and heal one person. This guy's blind. He heals this blind person. What about the guy over there with the one arm missing? You bring this person back from the dead. What about the other people? Yeah. So he does what he does, according to his own will, according to his own purpose, according to what he wills to do. Now, that brings up a question though. What no one will ever be able to say? No one will ever be able to say this, and this is, I think it's, what is this, Peter? No one will ever be able to say that, yeah, God chose people to go to heaven, which when he also chose me to go to hell. Nope. Can't say that either. It's in second Peter. I'm sorry. Uh-oh. All right, there we go. So God doesn't send anyone to hell. Meaning that he doesn't predetermine or predestine anyone to hell. He doesn't choose you to go to all he does. We're all on a boat, headed to hell. All he's doing is choosing who's not going to hell. He's choosing those who are going to heaven. We're on our way there. We all have earned our way there. Man, I wonder what hell is going to be like. Yeah, I can't wait till we get there. You got some snacks on you? I got to use the back. We're on our way to hell. We're on that bus, on our way to hell. And then he just sovereignly chooses people to go to heaven. Is that fair? You can fight it all day. You can be bothered with it all day. Well, first of all, you won't be able to make the statement that he chooses. Here's why. Let's go to this part first. No, hold on. Wait, hold on. She said that literally made no sense. Sister C, what? Hold on. Dog on it. I got a lot of things going too fast. What literally made no sense? I just happened to see that before I clicked. What literally made no sense? Tell me, that he doesn't choose anyone to go to hell? I'd like to know. Matter of fact, while you're contemplating that, how to answer that, let me go ahead and put it on the screen that he doesn't choose anyone to go to hell. Second Peter 3, 9 says, The Lord is not slow, or some verses slack, concerning his promises as some count slowness, but is patient towards you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reap repentance. Now, if he's not wishing that anyone should perish, and why people perish? Well, that's not what the passage says. The passage doesn't say what it... I want you to look at the word wish. The word wish is from the word boulomile, in this case, boulomenos. This word means that he has not placed or put anyone in hell. That's what the word is. The word phthalo is the word that we use if he's not wishing anyone to go to hell. It'd be appropriate, but his point here is that God has not placed anyone in hell. That's literally what the word for boulomile means. So God is not the one that's placed anyone in hell, and so no one can come back and say, well, God put me there. No, no, no. Now, your sin earned you there, and so because of that, if you want to say because of that, he put you there fine, but you can't say that he chose you to go to hell. He can't... You can't say that he elected you or predestined you to go to hell, if that makes sense. I know she said that it didn't make sense if that's what she was talking about. If so, then I hope that that made sense. He does not choose, elect, predestined anyone to go to hell. We start off on our way, and so if you want to see what God saw when he looks at the lens of time and sees people, he sees all of us, all of us not choosing him. All of us choosing hell. That's what he does. So if you would not divinely like to go to heaven, you're going to hell. That's where you're headed too. That's your trajectory. That's the direction that we're all headed in, if a person... Now, if you disagree, again, all you got to do is just place faith in Christ. Now, we'll find out, though, that again, according to scriptures, he did do that. That was his work. You didn't choose him. He chose you. You didn't love him first. He loved you first. That's how that works. You have to be born again first. Then you make that decision. That's what the word means, to be born from above. Your heart is changed, and then you make the right decision. Acts 13-48 says, all that were appointed to eternal life, they then believed. Well, that means something. And again, I understand folks have a problem with that because a lot of times we want to be the boss in charge. We want to be according to what we've done. Well, if you want salvation to be according to what you've done, what you've earned, then you won't get it. You won't get it because you can't earn it. You won't merit it. Again, I just read the passage. I'll read it again. He saved us. He saved us, not because of works done by us. What do you all think that passage means? He saved us, not because of any works done by us, but according to his own righteousness, how so by the regeneration, the washing, the being born again of his spirit. And we read before the passage where he says that by faith, we've been saved as a gift, not of ourselves. And we found out that the this refers to salvation and faith is the neuter and is covering the whole of the passage. According to the grammar, then the salvation as well as the faith is a gift of God. People have a problem with that. But if you let it sink in, if you embrace it, you'll love God even more. I'm convinced of that. I am. People won't have a problem with what I just said, but I said you'll love God even more. You'll love God even more. So I should debate, debate, soteriology one-on-one. Oops, I pushed the wrong button. I wouldn't have a problem with that at all. I don't know. I don't do formal debates. We have, I have conversations. I don't do the, this might say, Corey, why don't you do formal debates? Because I ain't formal. That's why I can't do the time debates. You've got 10 minutes. You've got 10 minutes. You've got five minutes for a rebuttal. Nope, that didn't work. First of all, no one is ever convinced people go in on the same sides and they leave the exact same size. When Layton Flowers and James White have a debate or had a debate, all the Layton Flowers supporters are like, yeah, Layton killed them. No, James White killed it, depending on what your side was. But I wouldn't have a problem having a formal conversation. No problem. No problem whatsoever. No problem whatsoever, because what he's going to have to deal with, and I've heard his argument before, he's going to have to get past the Ephesians 1 and the indirect and direct object and these passages I've brought up. God has absolutely decided that when he wants to, just because he wants to, will violate what we want to do, just because he wants to, according to his own pleasure, his own good will. He looks forward and sees nobody's going to choose. And because of that, and because of that, I don't understand what do you mean, this isn't brilliant apologetics. This isn't church, okay? I'm not sure what you mean by that, or if that was directed at me. It may not be directed at me. Now, and I respect him. I really do. I think he's a smart guy, I really do, but I think he's wrong. And I think because he's made his position, he's going to stay with that, which is fine. He's not an unbeliever. He's not a non-Christian, because he believes that. So, oh, she will say that towards me, okay, what was wrong? I said, I'd like to know. That is what it means, but I'm just saying that the people that he didn't choose, they were on their way to hell anyway. They were on their way to hell anyway. It's like if you are, if you're seeing people being swept down a river, and you can go and stick your hand in and grab, without you falling in, you are able to grab 10, 20 people. There are 100 people going. 100 people are going down the road, I mean, down the river, and you stick your hand in and grab 10 or 20 people. Can the other 80 people's family members come and impure you for anything wrong? No, they were. Why didn't you say, well, he was going anyway. I didn't have to say the 10 that I did. But he wants to show his love, on whom he wants to show his love, too. And he can't, he, again, he's got. He's got. As a matter of fact, Dara Zayn, he did choose Israel. He selected Israel. Now he didn't choose them individually, but we find that there are going to be the elect of Israel that are also going to be saved. When? Don't know. When this fullness of the Gentiles has passed. Paul Paul addresses this in Romans 9 to 11. I don't usually go. That's why I didn't spend a lot of time in Romans 9 to 11 to deal with this issue of election predestination because it's regarding Israel. You can use some of the components of it, but God is going to also, he says Israel will never cease to be a nation before him. And so he is going to deal with Israel. He's going to afflict Israel and he's going to bring Israel back. Which people of Israel, those whose names have been written before, as he said, written in the book before the foundation of the world. And so he is going to choose the elect of Israel as well. And so there are some Jews that have been predestined. We just don't know which ones they are. And there are also some also. Okay, I'm sorry. I thought you're talking to me. I know you're talking to the other person. I'm sorry. But there are also people that are also of Israel who are also coming now, but as a whole, no. Okay. So I'm getting ready to make my way. Out of here. Is there a video on spiritual? There's a bunch of videos on here on spiritual gifts. Put it, put it in the comment section. I'll go and look for you immediately and I'll send you some of the links to those videos about spiritual gifts. Okay. Neland says, could I read Ezekiel 36, 31 through 32? No problem. No problem. Where is that passage that I had up here? There it is. All right. You said 31 through 32. No problem, a friend. Then you remember your evil ways and your deeds that were not good and you will loathe yourselves for your iniquities and your abomination. It is not for your sake that I will act, declares the Lord. Let that be known to you. Be ashamed and confound it for your ways, O house Israel. That's awesome. Matter of fact, good job, Neland. Don't go on it, Neland. That's what again, this is where the smart Christians meet. That says it all, doesn't it? That says an awful lot. I think that says an awful lot. Thank you, Neland. Great passage. So, what you saying? You know what? I would say that also, not choosing Him is the reason why they go to hell. I think we cannot, truth be told, we really can phrase it a lot different ways. Not choosing Christ is the reason why we're going to hell or just because we who we are is the reason why we're going to hell and who we are, we won't choose Christ. We just, because he says, because you're right, you're right. I'm not saying you're not right. You are right because he says, no one will ever choose Him anyway. So, all right. If there is anyone who may disagree, I've got two minutes and 17 seconds before I leave, but I want to make sure that, because it's moving, this little screen right here is moving and I want to make sure that if someone may have been asking a question, yeah, he did. Adam sinned on his own, didn't need any help, just in the greatest, here's the greatest part, in the best conditions possible, the greatest conditions ever known to man, the greatest conditions ever known to man, man sinned, Adam sinned. Hold on, you mistyped that, Carol. You said, can you ban, answer, you mean answer him? Okay, I'll answer him. Let me go find his question. Okay, I got to type it in because I have no idea where they quit. There's been over 2,000 questions or statements made, John. Okay, okay, this question, are you talking about this question right here? I struggle with the famous atheist question on God's will. If God is all doing, can he create something, he cannot break and once done, can he then break it? If not, he is not all doing. Can God do, well, here's what God can't do. God can't confound himself. As a matter of fact, God wouldn't want to. Now, can God, here's a funny statement. Here's an absolutely funny statement, but it's a true statement. Can God limit himself? Answer this question, okay. Can God limit himself? Well, sure. He's limited himself. He's limited himself when he said, I'm not going to destroy the earth with water. He limited himself. He limited himself in who he's going to choose to sit on the throne, someone from the tribe of Judah, and not from Benjamin. So we know that Saul couldn't have been it. He limits himself in a lot of ways, but does he have to? No, he doesn't be out of his own purpose. Now, that's one of those questions in other words, can God make a rock too big that he can't carry? This is where we get to philosophical arguments. So the atheists indeed be trying to find the answer. And so obviously the atheists, so here's my response to the atheists. The atheists that ask the question, can God do X, Y, and Z? If so, if he can't, then he's not God. And so I would say this to the atheists that ask the question, place your faith in Christ and ask them. Place your faith in Christ and ask them. Okay, I saw something I wanted to, I thought I wanted to answer. Don't go in, John, don't. What do you disagree with? Listen, I'm always willing. This is the one conversation that I don't mind having this question. I would, listen, this is what I would say. This one, this is me. Line up the best of the, this is where, yeah, I'm getting, I'm getting arrogant right here. Line up the biggest, baddest covenantal Calvinist you got. Give me some Vodibacum. Give me, give, give me James White. Give, give me whoever and let's have this discussion. Let's, I could be wrong. Could be. Now I started off really in, in some sense where they were. I did and fought it. Like a matter of fact, I stood up in the classroom and said, no, this, no, what you're talking about is wrong. Professor, this, what you're saying is absolutely wrong. And I rest with this thing for weeks and weeks and weeks. He's like, no, he's right. How do I get away? How do I get around saying that he's right without saying I'm wrong? I don't do that. I could. Guys, I'm wrong. He's right. I just, I looked at it and looked at it and looked at it and I see who the new covenant is for. But again, the new covenant doesn't necessarily mean a bad thing for us. We're not less love. As a matter of fact, I think, I think he shows more. I think that because Gentiles are not part of the new covenant, I think it shows more love from my vantage point, from my vantage point. It's been all this time with these, these, these Jews, with these people. I'm not, I'm not being anti-Semitic guys and all the time with the children of Israel. And so, you know what? I'll tell you what, put you over here. Let me go show some love to these people right here and pick these. I feel honored and blessed because of that. That'd be wrong. But if I don't read the scriptures literally consistently, then whenever I feel like it, I can divert and read it a different way. I'd rather have guys will be done because he knows all and is all powerful. He knows the plans he has for his people. He is absent of sin. Sin is the root of all we see wrong. Amen. Amen. Leave it up to us to choose. We'll always choose wrong. No, no, no, that's, that's, that's just outright sin. That's just outright sin. Any Cowboy fans chose that to be Cowboy fans? That's just you and that's just being disobedient. There are Christians who can be disobedient sometimes. Anyway, no, me and my hope, I don't, I don't believe that Gentiles are part of, all right, let me say this real quickly. Yeah, dog on it. John Doe, you got me on this now. I got, I have to, I have to say it. Okay. Here's what I, what I've said before guys. Every time we read about the New Testament, the New Covenant, he's speaking about Israel. He's making a new covenant with Israel because Israel broke and violated the old covenant. There was no covenant that we violated. So therefore, us as Gentiles, so therefore there is not a need for a new covenant. If we say that there's a new covenant, who did he, which Gentile did he make this covenant with? Because when you make a covenant, you're talking to someone who's representative of that people that you're making the covenant with. We made a covenant with Noah. He was speaking to Noah. We made a covenant with Abraham. He was speaking with Abraham. We made a covenant with the Jews. He was speaking to the Jews through Moses. And same thing we see with the Jews in Jeremiah. When he says, I will make this new covenant with Hebrews 8, he's still speaking to Jews in Hebrews 8. That's what the book is to. And he speaks about the covenant with Israel and the house of Judah. We benefit from it. The death on the cross benefits the Jews, which is part of the new covenant, as well as the Gentiles. It's like this. I've got two sons, a natural born son and an adopted son. The natural born son is there first. And I tell him as he gets older, I want to send you to college. I'm going to pay for your college if you get good grades. If you get good grades, I'm going to pay for your entire college. That's what I'll do. All throughout this kid's life, though, he gets C's, D's, C's. He's, listen, he fought and fought and fought to become a C student just to make it to college. I said, tell me what I'm going to do. I'm going to go ahead and make a new deal with you. Just graduate. I'll pay for your college because I love you. But the adopted son, I love him. It's like I chose, I treat him like my favorite. I put no conditions whatsoever on my adopted son. I said, I'm going to pay for this kid's college full ride no matter what. I wouldn't care if he gets D's. If the school graduates and he going to college. Now, I'm paying for both their college out of the same account. I'm paying for the, it's the same father paying for, now I only promised one that I would make his college a condition. The other one, I'm just promising them to do it. When did God make a promise to Gentiles to be saved in the Abrahamic Covenant? Through you, through the Jews, the rest of the world will be saved and we see that. And so we don't need to get bent out of shape. If we find out that we're not part of the new Covenant, it doesn't matter. I'm part of the Abrahamic Covenant. I am. He made that Covenant with Abraham and that through him and through Israel, through Christ, who's a Jew, all of the world will be blessed. That's us. And we never broke a Covenant. We never broke a promise. So that's why I say that. And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. That's fine. I just want someone to show, but are not Gentiles graphing to the tree of Israel? Okay. Yes, we're graphing in. What about that says the new Covenant? Did God make a, did Jesus make a new Covenant to say, I'm gonna grab, here's my new Covenant with you Gentiles. And then we got to find who the Gentile, he said it to, but here's my new Covenant. I promise to graft you in. That's the, no, we don't have that. That's not a Covenant. Are you with me? And I think we get hung up a little bit on the term Covenant. And so I got to be part of this Covenant. I got to be part of this Covenant. Which Covenant do you want to part of? Which one? I'll find, I'll make a Covenant with you. If you guys want to be part of a Covenant, I'll make one with you. And by the way, they were broken up because they just didn't believe. And this was always part of the plan. I covered this before. Matter of fact, if y'all want to know the video that I covered this before, send a comment and I will, and I'll send you the video. Ask a couple of videos, as a matter of fact, that the church is not replaced by, I mean, the church is not replaced Israel, all those different things. So anyway, by the way, by the way, John, thank you, son of John, but he said, look through the chat where I have posted links to Corey's videos on spiritual gifts. Some of you guys have noticed, if you post links, they don't make it through. Okay. And a lot of these links are bad links. And so, but if I see where you've posted, son of John, because I have to go back and manually add that, normally it's just blank. No, but if I see that, I'll go ahead and put it through. So I'll put those links up there as well. So anyway, guys, I want to thank you all for sticking around, hearing me. Say this. If you disagree, I'd love to hear why you disagree with what we stated. Is John MacArthur safe to listen to? I love John MacArthur. I think he's safe to listen to. Do I disagree with John MacArthur? Let me just say this because I got to say it now. There were some people who made a video about, in response to the video that I made about John MacArthur using the word slavery. And they said, well, Corey, you need to understand the context. I understood the context of what John MacArthur was saying. John MacArthur issued a two minute video where he talked about slavery and us being slaves of Christ. Anywhere in the world, anywhere in the world, when you say the term slave, it conjures up the same understanding, this chattel slavery. Not indentured slaves or servants. No, because none of us know anything about those. We don't see that today. But the word slave is in the Bible. Is it? Is it? And okay, how does it use the word do loss? Now this word is stressed. It can mean servant. It can mean slave. It can mean serving like a butler or maid or hired hand, a bond servant, a maid servant. It can be that or it can actually be an actual slave property. When did we see the term slave being used in the English Bible? Because the first few English Bibles did not even use the term slave. Use the term maid or maid servant or bond servant. Or what's the word serve on? I can write the word. It used those terms. The King James Version is the one that introduced the term slave. Why is that? Well, some speculate, I can't say but some speculate because what was the English Kingdom involved in at that time? Slavery. Yeah, was that the reason why? I don't know. I don't know. But previous English versions did not use the term slave because guess what we have in English? We have the term servant and we have the term slave. If I mean servant, guess what I can use? So I got the use of that word servant. And so my point was that John McCarthy should not have used that. I know what he was talking about. He should not have used that word because it conjures up a certain vision. Oh, by the way, he said, I don't see what the aversion was to slavery being ended. That's what he said. Well, what's slavery? You're talking about the aversion anyone having to slavery or that being ended. You said that. Well, what do you think about? Which slavery would anyone have an aversion to? John McCarthy, the one that we know recently about. That's why. And so the point is we've got these different words to use. Just use the word servant. Just use the word servant. Now, if you want to say I'm a slave to Christ, fine. But don't compare it to slavery in America or anywhere else. He wouldn't refer to slavery in America. Well, how many people on the planet, if you say slave or slavery, what they're going to refer to? And I was hoping they would actually engage me on this. I'm fine. Let's just open up the English Bibles. Let's go to the Coverdale Bible, the Geneva Bible, the Bishops Bible. Let's go to these earlier Bibles and see what they used. And we'll see that. No, it's just the King James version that got us on this habit of saying slave. So anyway, guys, I want to thank you. Covered a couple of things. But overall, I do like John McCarthy. I think he has had a wonderful career. I think he says some things. But I love him. I love him. But I'm not bound by John McCarthy or anyone else that I love, that I like or what have you. The word is who you can hold me accountable to. My word and God's word. Amen. So you guys have a wonderful evening, and I will look forward to seeing you guys tomorrow. Amen.