 Jenkins, I have no more food for you. You had two french fries. You should have followed that other guy dog He took the food. He took the food. Get out Yep, he listened and he left I mean to refer to him as that other guy except that we that's how we Like the lady in that guy Now we we refer to all of our dogs as idiots Mike's our every when our niece came home. She's like security idiots Ready we could say crazies. It's not that far off ours are they're foolish. They're just Hear that so and Nicole and Ashley are you familiar with the when we get to 15 minutes on a topic Roger will play that music. He's been playing just now. Oh, you'll play us out. Yeah to move on To move on to greener pastures Sounds good Ray the dog is a fly hunter lately. We've been getting flies house flies and she can catch them She catches them. Wow. Yeah, not only that but then she kind of toys with them and I have to go take them away She just like just I don't know if she's Unnomer of they're dead, but then she just leave they're on the floor in front of her and then she'll like Budden like knock them around I Mean even my cats, I don't think catch flies. They try. No, I know none of my other dogs I've ever done that you should try to figure out how to make money from this Call Ray your your fly tech Ray the fly girl That's a good one And it could be like, you know, she could kind of be wearing like a cool bandana, you know on the billboard Some cool joggers, right, right, right. She'll dance your bugs away my office is Looks like a tornado hit it. I feel bad. No, you're fine. I have so many suit I'd like suitcases. We got home two days ago. So it's like It's fine. Is that does my audio sound okay? Yes, that's great. Okay. Good I have a I got a new mic setup and I'm excited about it. Hi. It's a I bought a Chaotica eyeball And and then I have a a really nice audio technica mic in there now D&D once I'm really enjoying it. It's like My wizard was able to cast a Chaotica eyeball. No, it's exactly it's here. So here it is Look at how big this thing is. Oh, wow. Wow, but it's like it's supposed to make it its own little, you know Sound studio. Nice. It sounds good. Yeah, I like it Well, if everybody's ready, we can go ahead and get rolling roll How do we feel we feel we feel ready as ready as I'll ever be 15 seconds here we go Am I ready yes, I'm right Count us in five four three two one Thanks to everyone who supports Daily Tech news show directly to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news show for Friday October 26 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane and I'm from the fringes of the LA County Empire I'm Roger Chang welcome everyone to our roundtable episode where we expand our show into a full fledged one-hour roundtable discussion with Sarah myself and our guests joining us today Nicole Lee from engadget.com. Welcome Nicole Hello, got to be here. Thank you for joining us also Ashley Esqueda host of CNET stream economy is with us Ashley Welcome back. Oh, it's terrible to be here. No, that's great. I'm excited We know you mean that in the best way So much we've missed you both It's good to have you both back and while all of our topics cover news of the day today We're gonna start with a few tech things you should know Microsoft has completed its acquisition of a github a good github of course is a large code repository popular resource for developers and companies for hosting projects documentation and of course code Apple and Amazon and Google and a lot of other big tech companies use github But Microsoft says it will continue to operate github independently as the business Bloomberg sources say Samsung's foldable phone is code name Winner it would not have a fingerprint sensor due to technical difficulties unique to its flexible screen But it would have an extra four inch screen on the outside letting you enjoy some basic features without having to unfold it a Source also says Samsung and Google have been working together on developing a special version of Android for a foldable phone Amazon's reported Q3 revenue increased 29 percent over last year North American sales were up 35 percent Although international sales grew just 13 percent Amazon web services sales rose 46 percent narrowly missing expectations and Amazon's other category which includes its advertising business rose 123% nice work Amazon also projected holiday quarter revenue between 66.5 and 72.5 billion dollars and that's below the expected 73 points 79 billion from analysts Amazon Continuing to become more of an ad company Meanwhile ad company alphabet beat earnings and revenue expectations in Q3 overall revenues were up 21 percent year over year The advertising business as part of alphabets Google division accounts for 85 point eight percent of Alphabet's revenue and that revenue is up 20 percent year over year alphabets other revenue category Which is pretty much everything that isn't Google hardware sales cloud business, etc Rose 29 percent year over year slower than last year last quarter's 37 percent rise At twitch con today snap announced snap camera for Mac and Windows Which will integrate with apps like twitch and YouTube and Skype and zoom and others So you can use one of thousands of those snapchat says are thousands of its lenses But you're basically the same thing as filters during important remote work medians or while gaming or while you are Streaming for some other reason snap camera works as a camera output on a third-party desktop app Now a snapchat account isn't required to use the app and in fact snap camera can't access snapchat accounts at all It's a whole different snap says they're a camera company So this is them first time they've actually proven that like hey We're gonna have other products besides Hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes be sure to subscribe to a daily tech headlines Dot-com. Let's get into the round table Sarah Let's do it Ashley. This is your discussion topic. I know you just got back from Europe But we're gonna hold your feet to the fire. Now. I'm just kidding. Let's talk about the idea of VOD services and how successful they are because AT&T which owns Warner media and Turner and Warner Brothers digital networks did announce today Friday that it's film Struck streaming service which I had not heard of to be quite honest a lot of people have Indie art house classic films is going to shut down on November 29th The service stopped allowing signups today October 26th and the move comes after Warner Brothers digital networks already shut down drama fever That was a VOD subscription service specialized in Korean dramas that shut down on October 16th quite abruptly and then a week ago Turner announced it was shuttering the digital content and TV studio super deluxe so What is the future of these services that so many companies had spun out as all a cart services? There are too many of them and how niche can they be and still be successful? Yeah, I think this is sort of We're kind of reaching this apex where we're gonna start seeing these like you said really small niche Services get canceled because there just aren't enough they're not revenue drivers And so especially film struck as soon as the time Warner deal went through they were just like well We're gonna start cutting back on all of this All of these things that are not really revenue drivers and obviously this is an extremely niche service And it's popular enough like I know a lot of people who subscribe to film struck They love the criterion collection there having access to all of those classic films like I think it's an important Service to offer, but I also don't know that it can stand on its own, right? So I think now that we're seeing the Netflix model Everybody's kind of finally gotten wise to the game, right? So it's like it's taken a few years, but we're now gonna see Apple launch a streaming service We're gonna see Disney launch a streaming service and take all their toys from Netflix and take them away and be like I can't have those anymore And we're gonna see more and more of that. So I saw an article a few days ago I guess now is a couple weeks ago because I was on vacation, but Somebody was complaining that there are too many streaming services. They're like, okay now I have to you know, we've all been there So it's like you've got your cord cutting service Then you have you know, maybe an HBO or a showtime or both and then you have Hulu and Netflix and then okay Well, now I want these niche services like crunchy roll or I want, you know a film struck or anything else that's really small and Somebody was saying well now we're getting back into cable packages and I think that's true But this is what we asked for right like for the longest time everybody's like why can't I just subscribe to this one channel? Or like why can't I just subscribe to this one show or you know, whatever that is? And it feels like we're getting to that point and people are realizing what that actually means which is one This is exhausting and two It's it is not sustainable like this is not a sustainable business model for so many services You know, you have to have the backing of a major corporation now a media corporation And now there are only six in the US There's you know like out of the six actually now it'll be five right with the Disney Fox merger Well, and it also starts adding up cost-wise too You know sort of like that bookstore that has a certain kind of feel well That might be a lovely bookstore but then if Amazon has all those same books plus all the other books and they can either undercut or or Yeah, exactly or maintain, you know a similar price It becomes harder and harder for something like a film strike, which as you said a lot of people really enjoyed to be One of many a la carte services that people would want right right exactly and Nicole Like I don't know how much you do cord cutting and stuff But like I know for me It's it's got it has gotten worse in the point where like I subscribe to a bunch of stuff and then Over time now it's like coming towards the end of the year. I'm starting to realize like, okay I don't need this service like I'm gonna get rid of that. I'm gonna and I think most people are doing that now Like they're saying, okay. I'm being a little more discerning about what I actually want to watch and We all know that we talk about peak TV all the time on stream economy because it's a show about geek pop culture and entertainment and you're even seeing companies like Netflix realize that They can't make all the shows they make because there just isn't enough eyeballs, right? Like to watch everything that they're putting out is it doesn't exist and so it's like they're canceling shows They canceled American Dandel today. They canceled two out of the four Marvel shows, which is a huge deal I mean nobody ever thought those shows we canceled Well, isn't part of the cancellation because Disney wants to own everything Marvel now I think that was the part of the problem that you mentioned earlier on how it's kind of consolidating forces a lot of these companies are joining forces into a Single company and I think that's that's what you get You know people will take Marvel away from Netflix so that they can show it on their own Entity and I think there is an issue of you know Is it the same as cable? I mean Yes, if you let it be and I think that the the the thing that doesn't make it cable Is that you still have some control over what you what you subscribe what you're not the subscribe? I mean, I do agree that you don't get the same level of It's the same number of channels for example like Right, so right, so like I subscribe to YouTube TV, but that doesn't have you know cooking channel For example, and that's kind of a bummer, but I'm not gonna change like my whole life just fucking watch the cooking You know me like so that they're all those compromises you make anyway So It's as the more of these services that we're seeing and the more options we have within those services of what to watch It makes it harder and harder for these more Inexpensive boutique sort of shows to make it right so I think we're gonna get to a point where I know with the Marvel stuff I have a feeling Licensing is a big one I know Netflix obviously probably pays Disney a obscene amount of money to license for different Defender shows and if they're not seeing the numbers that they want with a show like Luke Cage Which was not very critically well received. It wasn't very good and I'm sorry iron fist which was very poorly received and then Luke Cage, which was well received but maybe not as Not as much viewed as a daredevil Which I don't think Netflix will let Disney wrestle away from them Until you know, they are basically forced to but like I'm still worried about Jessica Jones I think daredevil is fine. I think that'll probably come back for a fourth season Maybe a fifth and then they'll they'll wrap it up that'll be it and then Disney will say okay Now that's ours again and like that's fine. Thank you very much. Goodbye and but I do think that like We're hitting a point where like you said with the cooking channel We're able to be a little bit better about saying like okay Kill your darlings like I can't watch all of this. So what's the most important to me, right? So I have Philo as our TV streaming provider and it's like 16 bucks a month Which is really cheap and it comes with because it's owned by all the companies that own like, you know Viacom and so it's got Comedy Central and you know all the shows that are harder to find on some of the Regular like streaming cord cutting services or all the channels But I don't have local video and I don't have local TV and I don't have Live news and I don't have sports and like for some people that's a deal total deal breaker But for me, it's like that's exactly what I don't watch so it's like I get all my news from online and I Don't you know my local news I can watch, you know, any if there's something breaking I can watch it online again and also with sports like I really watch sports And if I do I'm either out with friends like watching it at a bar or something or I'm just not watching it at home So sorry, my dogs are going berserk Keep in mind here It wasn't Disney by all accounts wanted to continue iron fist and and Luke Cage on Netflix. It was Netflix that decided not to certainly the fact that Disney is beginning a competing service complicates that relationship and and most definitely had some effect no matter what kind and and like you said, Ashley I'm sure Netflix is gonna keep going with Daredevil. Netflix still has the license to use those other characters They just didn't want to spend money on those shows 20 of money on other shows Borrowing another two billion dollars. The other thing is I think filmstruck drama fever, etc Are a victim of Warner media changing strategy now that AT&T owns them to say let's have a Package they've talked about creating a package with the Turner Networks and HBO as sort of the All of this stuff that's in drama fever and in the criterion collection All that is gonna go into that service and they're gonna try to make it an easier choice kind of like a philo competitor It won't have everything And it'll be like, oh, okay Well, here's the core package, which is your AT&T time Warner channels that we own and then it will be add $5 a month to add the the filmstruck package, which I have, you know The all of this stuff or you know, $7 a month to add it with the criterion collection or whatever So they'll it'll probably end up where however it ends up being relaunched will actually probably end up being cheaper For consumers because I think filmstruck with criterion was ten or eleven dollars a month Which is like a 4k subscription to Netflix So um, so I think it'll be better for consumers in the long run as long as those movies are all still offered And then there is something that you know, they're able to to get for that You know, they're able to access those things I think that's the thing I'm most scared about is like when we we can't access stuff And we saw it like it wasn't there an article a few days ago about how piracy is actually on the rise now because of all Streaming services that are like making it more and more difficult to to get stuff We actually talked about that here and on court killers both I'm a little skeptical that the conclusion is piracy is on the rise because of the number of streaming services because the the slight Decline in the decline You can call it a rise is in regions that don't have as many streaming services Don't have the option not in the places that have lots of streaming service Yeah, I I've been thinking about this all day. I actually tweeted this earlier We have on the one hand everyone saying there's too many TV shows I can't keep up and on the other hand saying there's too many streaming services I can't keep up I think one is the answer to the other which is we just have to get over the idea that we Could watch all the TV shows we wanted to like I get over the FOMO the FOMO is just you got to just deal with it Yeah, there's gonna be more good shows than you can watch Just like there are more good books than you can read and more good music than you could listen to and discover And and that's overall a good thing We just we just used to they're not being that much good television and to be able to pay one company So that we can complain that they're not delivering the TV because the cable went out. Yeah, and they're all Millennials, right? So it's like Well, I would say like okay, so we're all used to Accessing everything and being able to see everything and we're reaching a point now where we can't and that's very frustrating So I like one like you just have more responsibilities as you go on in life Like whatever they may be and to like you just can't there is so much more now And so even in the last five years, there's so much more now And so to think that you can you know We're so used to being able to see it all and now we can't and that becomes really frustrating And I think we'll get over the resistance to buying Television shows digitally a lot of people Basically discount that idea like well if I can't get it through a streaming service that I pay for for a cheap amount of money forget it and well if if Philo only has one show you like and it's not worth paying the $16 to be able to watch it Even it comes out then just buy it. That's what we do with that's what we did with Star Wars rebels Like we didn't have XD we wanted to watch rebels and I was like well I would have to subscribe to like sling TV and add a $5 Disney package like I don't want to do any of that So we ended up just adding it We ended up just buying the season and like drag race was the same until it moved to BH1 I was like well, I don't watch logo for any other show And I don't want to add it on as an extra package because because I don't watch it like except for that one show And so over the course of a year I know I get at least one season of RuPaul's drag race So if I'm paying extra $5 a month five times 12 is 60 so it's a lot cheaper to just buy the season like that's fine You know, it's it's funny I recently had a conversation with my mom because I love last week tonight with John Oliver and she was like Oh, yeah, I've heard of that show what what channel I said HBO and she goes well But I canceled HBO because Game of Thrones is is an on and like she kind of like goes back and forth right so like sign up and then she doesn't want it anymore because she doesn't want to pay for the non-game of Thrones time of year and That's a lot of right right. Yeah, exactly. And I was like, you know, they might put their episodes on YouTube Maybe not all of them. And then it's sort of like sometimes it snippets It does get complicated when somebody wants to watch a particular show and of course, yes HBO has has its VOD offerings as well And you know some options there, but it's a conversation. I have with people more and more Bodyguards, which is a BBC show which has recently come to Netflix. I was talking about it with a friend I was like so good and he was like, but how do you hmm? I'm like, well, don't you worry about it? But But you know, it again, it's like, I want to watch this stuff I want to be part of the conversation. Yes, but there are limitations Even if you want to pay there are limitations at times. Yeah, it's it's there are limitations of a lot of different things It's your time and your money access like it's just and it and I think the most important thing is exactly what you just said Which is we all want to be part of the conversation, right? So you come into work or you talk to your friends you hang out with your pals and or your family and Everybody is talking about haunting on Hill House, right? And so everybody's like, oh, you know what's haunting on Hill House? It's so amazing and and then the one person's like, oh, I don't have time I missed it and then you feel left out, you know You feel left out of that conversation and everybody in this day and age and tooth in the year of our Lord 2018 everybody needs to be part of the conversation. I I remember Being in the office at tech TV everybody talking about Sopranos. Yeah. Yeah, I don't I don't even have cable I don't not only do I not have HBO I don't I don't have cable and they're like, well, well, what do you watch? I'm like, mm-hmm and watch over over the air broadcast or or things on BCR because that's how long ago it was but that Existed before it was just that, you know at a certain point you got You got a stable enough job that you paid for cable and then then maybe you could afford HBO HBO was always the one thing that maybe not everybody had but everybody had everything else So it's just a different situation now and even things like the bodyguard or just bodyguard I watched it last night on Netflix. It finally did come. So again, if if you don't need to watch it right away You probably will be able to get it in an affordable fashion If you do need to watch it right away There's probably a limited number of those shows and you can afford to subscribe to just the services that bring you those Which also has made spoiler alerts so much more annoying, right? Because we're all watching things at different times So if I see bodyguard and Tom just started bodyguard and Ashley is just gonna get to it eventually You know, it's like we this is you know, our appointment viewing has taken on it an entire new meaning Mm-hmm, and that's books, right? That's you. I mean all the all the ones the last time you're like Let me tell you about this book and I'm like spoiler. No I guess we're just used to it Move on to Nicole Lee your discussion topic today is about smart displays I imagine you've been looking over all these new smart displays as Facebook gets into the game Google Of course refreshing theirs Amazon updating theirs as well Let's talk about smart displays. Are they The new which which device category are they the new one? Are they the new smartphone the new laptop the new tablet? What do you think? So there are such an unusual thing, you know Amazon's Echo show was the first to come up with it and it what is what the whole idea of it to begin with Was that they added a screen to a smart speaker like an Alexa or whatever it was and then and then Google came up with their Own versions of it the Google assistant into like the Lenovo smart display and the JBL thank you and the most recently the Google home hub and It's the the home hub was the one that really made me think this is such a weird thing because the home hub is Basically, like if you take a look at it It's basically like a phablet on a stand So like it really really looks like somebody stuck a galaxy note onto like a stand and that's what it looks like and Oh, I first I was like this is such a weird thing But because but at the same time though, it doesn't do the same things that the tablet does it's kind of a new category if you will and Anytime doesn't just there's a new category anything doesn't just a new doesn't the new thing of something you have to ask like What problem does it solve like where does it go? I think a lot of times people are thinking of this in terms of Like the Amazon echo for example when that first came out people were like, oh, who needs a smart speaker or an Alexa in their home And it became really like incredibly popular so and In comparison to that, I think this is definitely better But in my opinion adding a screen or a display to an echo or to a Google home device Makes it so much more useful because I can actually see the results and there's something about Visual so something so satisfying about a visual response that I think cannot be beat by hearing the answer from a speaker but so It's it's a weird thing. I think that the two the two devices. I think make the case for it is The echo spot, which is the little round alarm clock thing and the home hub Which is the little which is again the Google home hub and the reason why I think those two Stand out for me even though I do like the echo show and I do like the bigger smart display as well but the reason why I think those two resonate with me is because I think those are the two more mainstream products because Who doesn't want to cute alarm clock? You know who doesn't want like a cool little smart photo frame or digital photo frame So those two things I think that people will understand. Oh, it's just it's just a photo frame with Google in it Okay, I understand that right or if it's an alarm clock with Alexa in it. Okay, I understand that versus like the other products that are like just Basically weird second TVs that you put in your kitchen or something so I Mean the the the other things that they always push They always push the cooking feature in all of these products. You can say hey. Hey, you know Alexa show me recipe for I Don't know chicken soup or whatever and it will show you a list of recipes. You can say oh step by step and That sounds cool and I've done it before and that's really neat But I don't think that way I guess like I'm the kind of person who like skips ahead and sees what what what the end result is and I'll go back. I don't think I don't think linearly when it comes to recipes. I sort of like oh That's cool that the step one is to fill the pot of water But I want to see what step five is so that I can get ready for it, right? So I don't really think that way They are supposed to read the whole recipe before you start Exactly I read I read the whole thing and then No, I do if I have a recipe that I've made multiple times, but I don't quite have it memorized I I love the idea of my echo show being able to display the steps for me So I can just look like oh I need because I actually take my recipes and modify and put them in simple note in like step order so that it's like oh So I take the mushrooms while that's boiling kind of stuff. That's all customized to me I totally want that on the show, but that's not what you can get there You can't just simple note up there You get some custom recipe thing that may not have the recipe you're looking for and like you say generally it's recipes You haven't tried before which is you probably want to review them at least first before you start them So I end up never using it you need to have like Like a car play but like for your kitchen they were like hey I'm cooking like right now. So could you just simplify this down for me because that'd be great Well, I mean I'm actually in the market for a new microwave And so I was I was revisiting Amazon's smart microwave Which is you know, you can pre-order to be delivered sometime in November So right around the corner now and it's like okay. Well, it hooks into Alexa So I can hands-free the microwave things. That's pretty cool But I still have to use my hands to put things in the microwave So it's like kind of cool, but I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense It also only comes in black and I'm not sure why that is Because black goes with everything but that but that's another thing too. It's like this is yeah This is something that like you said Nicole who doesn't want to cue alarm clock. Well, I mean my alarm clock is my cell phone Because it's just on my nightstand and then when I leave then the you know, the alarm clock comes with me I guess I'd like something cute that sits there But then that takes away from my nightstand real estate because it's not very big one So it's yeah, it kind of turns into like is this fashion are my smart speakers a fashion item I mean, I think they all look relatively nice, but it is a certain style that Will and probably should be integrated into the things that we already have hanging around the house like television or you know Something in the kitchen. Yeah, I like the echo dot in places like the bathroom where it can just be out of the way And I can say hey add toilet paper to my shopping list, you know, without The other room or whatever Incorporate this in my home It's kind of it kind of depends on the function of it, right? I want the show in the kitchen because that's when I'm gonna have it play videos while I'm cooking or something like that I'm never gonna use recipes like I said, but so it really depends on where where you're using it whether you need that screen or not and and I think Nicole's absolutely right the I want a little picture frame thing is still something people love to do and The alarm clock, maybe you don't want an alarm clock, but if you do that's kind of a nice Application of it as well. I have that little my alarm clock. I have been trying to get away from using my phone as an alarm clock Because I like it's I've tried to get off of this like it's the first thing I reach for in the morning Like I don't because then it's like I get stuck in the in the trap But I like I got a little it's called the divum TV it's a little retro It's a retro looking television and you can say it's got Ellie like animated LEDs and stuff You could program it and it's so freaking cute Oh, I'm I've got to see this thing. It's really cute It's two O's and it's called the TV. It's that second link down. It's that little TV right there. That's it TV oh like to vote but with an extra Oh, yeah, it has a little app and they have a time box too But like the TV is the one looks like a little retro TV I'm like it's an alarm clock and it's like all the same connects to your next to your phone You can like you can design your own little LEDs and they're animated and stuff. It's great It's like the chumby I mean You know like it's just something I'm like, oh, that's so cute every morning I'm like, oh, it's so cute Like I don't feel like garbage because I picked up my phone and open Twitter So it's like it's a good way to start the day. I will say that you know You're saying that makes me realize because I've been putting the Google Home Hub as my quote-unquote alarm clock on the side of my bed and I used to use Like everybody I guess using to use my phone to sort of flip through things as I go to bed or wake up or whatever and Now I feel like I have this don't really need my phone actually Yeah, and I've sort of been trying to just not bring it into bed It's hard but not that I have this I'm like Oh, it's kind of internet you can we have video and stuff and it's sort of there and So that really helps me to not have my phone next to me, but that's a really good Oh, it does it's like I was like, okay I'm gonna get this cute little thing and try it as an alarm. So I'm not in Twitter and feeling Existential dread like I just like I have to get away from that So I got away from that with this little thing. I got one in white. It's so cute But like I said, it's like you can set it to they even have I think I haven't tried it yet But I think they even have like the the LED that like goes with sunrise sunset like you can have it like Light up slowly Kind of slowly light in the morning. Yeah, yeah, that's cool Fashion LED alarm clock and I still use my phone as my alarm clock It's hard. Yeah, well and it also at least for me It's a I just moved departments and so it's like and my apartment is smaller I have less room. I want fewer things. So yes, I agree with you that we shouldn't be, you know Laying in bed with existential dread reading Twitter all day and night And I try not to do that as well, but I also don't want an extra thing that I have to buy for $50 Really one thing like it's only for one thing. So I will say that You know talking about what smart displays in the Google Home Hub and the echo show and all that There are going to be new devices. I think next year where I think Lenovo's making one where it's basically a Tablet that if you dock it into a Speaker dock it turns into a smart display and I think that's really compelling because you can when you undock it It becomes like a regular Android tablet I went but when you dock it into the whatever speaker dock whatever it sort of becomes it transforms into this The smart display and I think that's kind of an interesting use case where it can be both Best of both worlds, I guess Amazon will do that. I mean, I think they're I don't they have something similar or they did Yeah, I'd like and I think we'll just see more and more and more of that. Yeah I'm curious. How many of you have Twitter notifications on on your phone? Oh, I have DM notifications on Yeah, but but that's it and you still get sucked in to the existential dread. That's just But that existential dread is not unique to Twitter And so I'm actually like iOS 12 was really helpful for me, I've been trying to like really Take a step back and like say I don't and I've been doing this with the news as well Where I'm like, I don't need to know Every single thing that happens and I second of the day Yes So I've been trying really hard like with a lot of my digital life to sort of like find a window and like say, okay Like now is the time I'm gonna check Twitter. Now is the time on to check the news Like and I just like I've the the news like just national news. I felt much less stressed out about because it's like you're just constantly bombarded with everybody telling you why this is a tragedy or a disaster or a terrible or Whatever and so it's just like I Hate first of all the the news itself can be really stressful But then on top of that when you see how distressed your friends are from the news It's like and then you see one after the other after the other after the other it just becomes this like This really horrible place to be in where you're just like I can't even help you now because now I feel paralyzed by it and so, you know, everybody's drowning and nobody can you know get out of the water And so I I'm trying to be at the end of the water with a stick helping people get out But I can't do that by being in the water all the time I Ask about that because I don't really want to display by my bedside because I feel like even even if it's dark with just White letters that it's probably too bright. It's way too bright And I use my phone to read before I go to bed and and I I have notifications off for most things Anyway, and then I have them stop at 10 p.m. So when I'm reading I'm not just at night anyway I'm not I'm not interrupted And so I I prefer that But I don't know I was curious if it was just that but I think it's it's it's just once you pick up that phone You can go anywhere with it, which is a blessing and occurs, right? Nicole, I think you're on to something with the tablet slash smart display thing I mean, I have a tablet that I use for when I am interacting with it But then the cover gets closed and it gets put on a table or in my backpack or whatever because I'm like Well, I don't need it unless I'm using it. Yeah, if the if it had a different function and could go somewhere What kind of look nice and was out of the way and and there was there was there was functionality as a smart display That would be I would make it, you know, it would be twice as nice That would and and it'll be cost the same as a regular tablet, right? Just just a little more for the dock, right? But hopefully that yeah, the dog would cost more. Yes, true Let's like buy a keyboard for a surface tablet, right? Cost but yeah kind of mandatory if you want to really enjoy it to its fullest. Yeah, that's right Let's get into our next topic, which is not the advisor voted topic But it is one that several of our patrons who are at the advisor level Nominated it didn't win the vote, but we thought it was interesting. So we kind of combined a few of them Sarah Yeah, we did so this is the concept speaking of existential dread the concept of the future of the human workforce and how people might need to or want to or at least be able to switch careers as Their jobs are automated or changed We've talked about this quite a bit on DTNS. Um, in fact back in August There was a survey by Pew Research Internet that found Americans at least are roughly twice as likely to express worry about 72 percent that Enthusiasm 33 percent about a future in which robots and computers are capable of doing many jobs That are currently done by humans. I found This website will robots take my job calm to be somewhat amusing But actually somewhat helpful if you'd like to know if your career is about to be obsolete and you need to go back to college But then there was a Forbes article from a couple months ago Noted a paper that was a combination from MIT and Carnegie Mellon University researchers that predicted Certain jobs were much more likely to be replaced by machine learning and AI and not just factory jobs These were, you know concierge jobs. We've already seen some of this happening mechanical drafters interestingly enough morticians undertakers and funeral directors That one is a little perplexing to me But okay credit authorizers brokerage clerks a lot of math related stuff And of course, there are certain jobs that are less likely such as something very personal a massage therapist for example You know or something that's highly specialized to you know, you know kind of human to human Contact, but the idea that AI might replace jobs, but instead of putting a bunch of people out of work It allows a bunch of people to get better jobs Perhaps more fulfilling jobs jobs that require a little bit of more of that human touch rather than that automation is Definitely a rosy way to look at the future. So Ashley. I'll start with you What are your thoughts on robots taking your job? By the way, I looked up podcaster. I will be about to take my job Common we're cool for now. Yeah, I feel like I think like entertainers are sort of like Thirty seven thirty five percentage. So I'm I feel good But you know, who knows the deep fakes are starting to get really scary so maybe somebody will just like scan me into a computer and then Actually, you know what if I could scan myself into a computer and then teach an AI to do my job for me So that I could have leisure time, but still collect a paycheck. I am super down that so So, yeah, I man, it's tough. It's really this is I Think there are two major Hurdles that humanity will have to deal with in this century and they are privacy digital privacy is like one of the biggest things for me that People we're still evolving and trying to figure out how we want our privacy to be managed What it means how we can be more transparent because we sort of Gave everybody a mile and then now that there's just the gate is open and how do you get that all back in so So there's that and then I think the other thing is obviously AI and how that affects people in different jobs And so I saw I saw Roger type in real estate agent and you mentioned realtor like Those are jobs that may not be around, you know, like with apps and AI and machine learning It would be very easy for me to type in Hey, I I want to find a house that is like this and here are some keywords And then it just says here's every single house in the state or the country or wherever that you might be interested in in your price range and so So I I think Automation replacing humans is a is a really Scary thing for a lot of people and rightfully so although you can look at the medical industry is a great example There have been quite a few stories about particular You know reading a certain kind of x-ray and trying to diagnose a certain kind of thing that yeah exact. Yeah, the radiology Sector and others Where it's starting to show more and more that the robot is actually more accurate But it doesn't take the job away from the doctor It's the doctor then is freed up to make more of that again that human diagnosis that is personalized and Expertise is absolutely needed and and that job doesn't go away. It just kind of takes the the the paperwork out of what this person is actually really good at doing And in a way it makes their job better now for somebody like a real estate agent Well, what if the job goes away? But the real estate agent really likes their job. So we might say well, but you have you know opportunity for a whole new career What about those folks that don't see what that new career is, you know, what what what what is what are the options for that for those folks? Yeah, I think that's what most people are worried about and I mean I think For me like, you know, obviously I I have not studied politics or you know things like that So it's very difficult for me to say like what my answer would be if I was in that position But I do think that at some point we will probably need some sort of Program that helps people transition if their job is made obsolete and honestly like I think we need more of that now So like we see a lot of people talk about Clean energy and moving to clean energy and I think that's great But I'd really like to see more even more initiatives or you know I I would love to see I know this is Asking a lot, but I would love to see people care more about other people who are not like them and be maybe willing to pay You know 1% more in taxes every year to help these kinds of things happen, right? Where we help somebody who maybe had a job in a coal mine or was a realtor and their job got automated out to be able to apply for a program that Retrains them, you know, and I think This also all goes back to kind of a bigger argument about like college should be free, right? Or even just vocational school like those types of things Everybody should have access to because we are gonna get to a point where people are gonna need to retrain You know and start new careers and if we don't give people those opportunities. Well What do we do with those people and what do those people do with themselves like I'm post Fake news on Facebook. That's what they're doing. So it's like I but to me is like it's it's you know It's a thing where it's like you have to keep people Learning and you have to take care of them. You have to care about them Like we have to care about other people and so I think that you know It's it's very much a thing where we have to figure out a way to Convince people who are not going to be affected by this. So for example, our politicians probably have a very low chance of being replaced by robots, right? And so they don't care as much as maybe somebody who is working in a coal mine that their job will be replaced So how do you make those people care? There's so many moving pieces. I mean, you know The retraining is is crucial because you know skills aren't fungible, right? Just because you're a coal miner doesn't mean suddenly you work with anything that involves a picksack pickaxe in the shovel The other thing is you need the jobs Somewhat convene like close to that population, right? It's great to have clean energy But those jobs are on the other side of the country Doesn't really help those people who are out of work unless you can you know subsidize some sort of migration of those of that population over to where the jobs are I mean like, you know You know North Dakota saw a boom and the number of people working the the the fracking oil fields Because they just you know, they came from different parts of the country. They drove up there and set themselves up, but you know, it It's it's a policy thing, but it's a cultural shift as well, right? Society if I may wind us back from the precipice a bit first We start we you know, we say like we need to incentivize the churches to help people more in the community centers and Everything let's figure out how much this is going to actually happen because I don't think it's going to happen as much as some people think It is definitely going to happen and coal miners is always a great one because you're like, oh, well, you can obviously automate that I wonder actually if it will impact it as much as people think because there are still skills in coal mining that require Human intuition and human ingenuity. There's so many myths around this that you have to chase after which is first of all AI isn't as good as you think it is It is it is not Oh, I think this is gonna take I mean a lot of time for this to start really affecting The real universe where we're like really dealing with like oh, wow even customer service agents are That's a long way away now that we shouldn't think about it But it's a long way away in the short term What's probably more likely to happen is what happened to computers and by that I mean the people who did the computing when Digital computers came along which is those people rather than just massively being thrown out onto the streets And we had computer strikes and you know computer demonstrations about being fired Those people will transition to other jobs and jobs arose middle management became huge because suddenly you could afford to pay People to be middle managers or a curse maybe depending on how you look at it Product managers and project managers I think what we're going to see it a lot of industries not all is that AI allows people to now use their actual skills instead of the drudgery to actually be more creative and For companies to say you know what we actually can pay people to answer the phone and talk to folks who need to talk to a Human being where we couldn't before because we are saving money by AI Handling all of this other stuff that we used to have to pay people to do I'm not trying to be overly Pollyanna. I'm just trying to provide a little counter Like I mentioned, there's a bunch of moving parts to it and you know, this stuff is not gonna You know, you go to sleep one one day one night and wake up. It's like, oh, I'm out of a job and everything the world But it will impact various bits of the population, you know Significantly now Yeah, we think about it now and say like, okay, what can our what can our communities do? To to be prepared to help somebody who really isn't just changing their job, but their job is gone I think it'll be a smaller percentage than people think but it will happen And so yeah, we need we need to figure out the best way to handle that Well, and what does what does higher education look like down the road? It, you know, let's just whoever is impacted whether education look like down the road I mean, I think that even a big part of it too. Absolutely. Well, you exactly if you Down the road if you know that a job is going to be, you know has has been automated You're probably not gonna take that job, but let's say, you know, I know a handful of people who have left Their job as attorneys because they're like being a lawyer actually really sucks money's great But I hated it and went back to school and you know now do something else Well, okay, but they chose to do that, you know, it was a you know, there was a Economic privilege to be able to do that Sure, some people lose their jobs and and go back to school or go to you know, specialized training for something else But that cost time and money, you know, I once I once thought like it'd be fun to be an acupuncturist But it's like really expensive and takes like four years. I was like, well, when would I ever do that? What's the point? Kind of actually yes, but but but those are things that are I mean, they're huge hurdles into Deciding to change a job if you are forced to change a job and you don't have the time and money to change that job Yeah, then it turns into yeah, how do we fund things like this? Even if it's a small group of people, maybe it's not millions of people across the world You know, not not anytime soon, but you know, it will happen and what do what do those who aren't in danger of losing their jobs to? Something like this due to help the others. Yeah, I think I think you and Tommy good points in that like Obviously like the the majority of people in any given industry even with Progress automation robotics things like that like they will evolve into new jobs, right? That are created within that industry that sort of branch out from the thing they used to do And and maybe they do have the ability to actually do the thing that they wanted to do originally But maybe Bog down in you know paperwork or anything that requires automation like I totally get that But I would imagine there's probably like a decent percentage of people on both ends of that Majority where one end of them simply do not have the resources to do anything and and are not Able to transition Which we see now. I mean just even when companies evolve like I mean this is just and and I'm sure like your example with You know with cut with when we went from analog to digital like very similar thing Like some of those people just never worked in computing again Like a probably smaller much smaller percentage than the people who just transitioned to digital But I'm sure they're there are those who are like well I don't I don't want to be a part of that or I'm too old to learn that or I don't want to or whatever and Decided not to continue in that industry and so or maybe they just don't like it like Sarah's saying You know, maybe it's just I'm not into this This is very stressful and I want out and so so yeah, I think I think it will happen much slower than we think I mean, I can't even get Siri to give me like Any information so I like I'm not particularly worried about it on a regular basis. Yeah People Show off that assistant feature that can call and make dinner reservations for you I'm like I start worrying about the part-time College student who's also an assistant to somebody who needs that money to make their rent like that Those are the small people who kind of slip through the cracks here where maybe they don't have a full-time job And it's not their industry, but it is how they live And so I feel like those small jobs that automation will eat up those will be the first to go And I think that those we should still be thinking about it sooner-ish rather than later because even if it's not disrupting The entire country is a culture. We still have to worry about those people who Need that 20 hours a week to make their rent, you know and maybe can't All right, uh good good points all and let's move on to our final discussion This is the one that was voted on by the patrons at the advisor level at patreon.com slash dts It was nominated by steve and steve was nice enough to write us a little introduction for us Uh, he says hi tom sarah roger nicole and ashley I've been working in information security and data center operations side of it for about 20 years So security and privacy has always been important to me over the years We've seen breach after breach to the point where we barely discuss them anymore We have seen regulations get passed by local state federal and international governments Which have a direct impact on how we operate our organizations from an it security and control standpoint For example in the united states, I think each of the 50 states now has its own data breach notification law on the books Add in any breach notification requirements from sarah blaine's oxley Graham leach billy act payment card industry act health insurance portability and accountability act aka hippa And of course the gdpr and the compliance landscape is becoming very crowded very quickly In my opinion these regulations have both a positive and negative effect on organizations and the tech we use I'm in favor of an increased focus on security and privacy However, for small businesses I think we're approaching a tipping point and it's becoming more and more difficult to keep track of and comply with All the different rules regulations and laws I'd love to hear your thoughts on how the changing compliance landscape is affecting businesses technologies and the way we're using tech P. S. Love the show and you're all doing a great job Your bottom advisor steve. I So thank you steve. Um, I actually found a great article just from this week on the harvard business review from andrew burt He's the chief privacy officer at a company called immuta. He's also their legal engineer And his column was talking about why privacy regulations don't always do what they're meant to and he points out something that steve touched on too Which is small businesses Having a bigger burden to comply with these things than large businesses Uh, for example, uh, we have in in the column from, uh, burt But rent ozars microsoft sequel server consulting company Stopped selling stuff in europe Because he couldn't afford the cost of compliance And he didn't want to risk getting it wrong by cheaping out on it Uh regulations generally are proportionately more of a burden on small businesses broad rules that treat all companies the same encourage this So it's not like we're seeing businesses go out of business. It's not like, you know The gdpr has has has caused a wipeout, but it is affecting smaller businesses in greater proportion In fact, there's been a few studies showing that ads Uh for for google have increased in the europe as a result of gdpr Because there are some of the competitors leaving the market because they don't want to have to comply Whereas a company with as much cash as google has no problem attempting to comply and can even deal with the inevitable Complaints and lawsuits that arise out of it Uh, california's consumer privacy act opts out specific business segments such as many smaller organizations And burt thinks this is maybe a better model Which is regulations should encourage small companies to pool their data To follow proper procedures as organizations to compete with larger organizations And you should if you're going to have a regulation for privacy Identify that it's a different burden and a different level of compliance necessary for a small business a medium business An enterprise level business And he also mentions privacy enhancing technologies often called pets Things like differential privacy you hear apple talk about that that all the time There's also homomorphic encryption federated learning modular data systems like solid I I think and I talked about this on my editor's desk, uh today, uh, I think all Of these are ways to give the customer more control over the data and the faster we get customers To be able to control their own data the easier it is for any business of any size To comply because they don't need to handle the data anymore. The customer has control over it. Anyway, I'll finish this introduction up with Burt's quote. He says we cannot assume that we are ever fully informed about the privacy We're giving up at any single point in time Consumers must be able to exercise rights over their data after it's been collected That's something the solid platform allows you to do and those rights should include restricting how it's being used So, uh Wow lot lot to chew on here But you know, what do y'all think about this idea that that if we're going to have these regulations Which I don't think anyone disagrees that we need some kind of regulation on on privacy Ashley you identified it earlier as as one of the two big challenges Going forward in this century How how do we make sure that we're not accidentally just making the bigger companies richer and bigger? At the expense of the smaller companies Nicole, what do you think? I like it's such a big hard problem. Like I just I think the Yeah, the question about whether which company I think it's true that smaller companies would probably have an issue with it but at the very heart of it it's not just Giving the customer control over their privacy, which is definitely a huge part of this But like making them even aware that they have control Like that is such I think a barrier Like if you tell my mom that there are all these settings that she could do in facebook to like blocks her and people She'd be like, I don't know any of those settings. I don't want I don't want to know any of those settings Because it's just it's just too much And I think there has to be a way To not just make them aware of these issues but to Sort of educate them in a way that's easy that's easy to grasp it to make the tools easier to use because you know Yeah, but yeah, and you know the the mom on facebook is a great example It's like well, you know if mom says I don't care It just doesn't matter to me and you say well, but it has to matter It you know, it's very important that it matters It's like what are the options besides Scaring people into it because if you're scared, you're already scared You know if you if privacy is important then you're already going to be like this is actually really bad unless you know what you're doing You have to you have to go the extra mile to make sure that you're protected But for those who say it doesn't really matter and How do you do that? It's sort of like a commercial right like commercials have certain tactics Like you either you know you kind of scare somebody into buying a product like how do you How do you convince a person or business? That it's really important to either comply with with with with privacy Ethics or a person to demand that a business comply with privacy ethics when there is You know A lack of care Yeah, right right now we leave it up to the companies to do this and that and even laws like gdpr Leave it up to the companies and the remedy is you can sue them. Well, most of us are not going to sue them, right? So it's the fear that somebody big enough will sue them that keeps them in line I don't think that's necessarily the best way to go about it That's why I do like these decentralized systems that say you are now in control of your data And what's great about a decentralized system is if you have a third party managing it Or multiple third parties managing it They can make it easy. I mean nicole you hit it. You've got to have a simple interface You got to make it easy for someone to say. Oh, okay I I know that I have to use my my solid id I don't have to know anything about how it works. All I know is I have to have one So I went and I signed up for one and then whenever I sign up for facebook or whatsapp or snapchat It asks me Simple questions. Can we know this about you in your in your solid id and I say no and then that's it And I don't have to learn facebook's interface and google's interface and apple's interface, you know I'm becoming expert in all these things. I've got one interface that's easy to use The question is and I'm not saying that I advocate this But should that be the law then just say hey companies if you want to have personal data You've got to use a trusted third party platform to manage it. You can't keep it yourself anymore I don't know that you can though because you can't make that law But I think I think what you're just like the way you're describing it's like, oh, it's one password But for my privacy, right and like that's great. I love that idea I think I would use that all day every day like that's fantastic But I think it's that the laws have to be that we are in charge of our data Not that that you have to use these companies. I think that Much like every other web Platform that we've seen like whatever the best one is generally or whatever, you know Works for most people is going to be the one that people use So I think to to say like you have to use the service you have to use that service to you know, get your privacy Stuff sorted out as a business like I don't see that happening and I think that's unfair and anti competitive And so I you know, I think it's going to end up being that the regulation has to be Based on giving data back to the user and then On the private side of it It has to be Companies have to step up and be like here's a solution that is not only easy for The user the end user but also easy for a company to sign up with us And I think that that really is going to be I mean convenience is king Online and so if you make it easy And and you make it simple and people go Oh, like this is a new service that allows you to control what data goes out on on all of the internet Or every service you sign up it gives you a pop up when you sign in Ask you some questions like you said tom and then you just save it and that's it and you can go back to it Much like in one password I can click on whatever website that I have an account with and it'll say here's your settings Would you like to re go through the process again? Sure And then you click on it and you can do it again, or maybe it forces you to go re go through that process every six months Yeah, yeah You know, I have to change my password at cbs interactive every 90 days It's annoying, but it is but it is helpful and it is more secure. You could argue It says that it's not good anymore. Anyway, that's it. Oh, but it's I like I hate it But the thing is is like you could do that and like people could update their privacy settings like facebook already does this It notifies you it says hey, you haven't checked your privacy settings in a while. Would you like to do it most people? Yeah, I think that's a good click away from it. I think we get away. Yeah, most that's the key That's the problem. So most people were like, all right, let's get it out of here close to the Maybe it's that the law says that you must prompt user. You must force users To go through their privacy setting Privacy setting time of your own private data I still think you can have a law Again, I'm not sure that I want this but I think you could have a law That says if you are going to collect private data from people You have to use an open standard a open standard service I think that that is fair, but I just I don't think you can say like you have to use a company. You're right. You're right. Yeah I wonder also like if you could have Forced the companies to give you to give you like a monthly summary of who's who they who they sold your data to I would love that Or something like that you like force the company to say here's who we sold your data to What's something like that? I don't know when you're people would be so pissed and it might actually Galvanize them to be like no, I don't want you to sell all my data. Like how can I fix this? Have you ever loaded a video game and have it give like tips while it's loading right where it's like Exactly, you know, you can you can go into your your root box and do this Funny thing. What if what if when you were actually When you're using your decentralized id thing, it would just pop up a card that said hey, did you know facebook has your phone number? Yeah Remind me, you know like do do that every once in a while rather than force you to review But just kind of pop up an information slide. You can still dismiss it, but it might jar you to go like Oh, right. I forgot but but who's providing that slide that you're decentralized Right, but but who's writing the slides? Well, it's just in the software and it's okay. Who's programming the software That was run by a company that would say like, okay Well, you have all these accounts at all these different websites and then so if you go to that website You get that pop-up that's like, hey, by the way, like facebook has your phone number And here are the companies that it sold it to last month or whatever without having to know anything about someone You just know what the fields are and you look and see What I would love to why would love to have like love love love to have if I see an ad on facebook I want to know how they got that metric like what did what did I go? What what did I do? Did I go Tell me how they know that I was interested in this thing Like I would love to have like a little like At the very least have all that ad stuff where you can see like where how it's targeting you like you can see that Well, and I mean that's why there are so many conspiracy theories about your devices listening to you When when you know facebook messenger wasn't even open, but then all of a sudden I got an ad about something I told my husband that we for sure never looked for and Well, like who knows but but yeah, it's like but people really like no one really knows what's going on with with with With with how targeting works half the time Yeah, it's a black box for sure It really is and it's just it's However, whatever the solution is like what we're in right now is just not good and it's not good It's so bad Right because this is where this whole conversation started with small businesses Can't afford to keep up with a lot of these best practices An open standard would help them too because it would take the burden off of them to say hey, let's have a decentralized Invest in a platform, right exactly. Yeah Well, I'm glad we solved that internet Mr. Manager Thank you Wonderful round table today. Um, particularly because we had such great round table contributors Ashley Esqueda, we'll start with you. Thanks so much for being on the show and let folks know where they can keep up with all your work Oh, my gosh. Um, well, I host a show called stream economy on CNET's youtube channel And it's really fun and the very first episode a long time ago. I got hit in the face of the pie We talked about we talked about geek pop culture every week and it's uh, but it's like kind of uh deep dimes so um, we sort of shifted the format earlier in uh, a couple months ago And so now we talk about one topic. So I think our last episode before I went on vacation was about google stream So we talked about, you know, project stream what it was If it's good or bad and what it could mean for the future of like game streaming So we talked about movies tv shows and games that are streaming online. So It's really fun and we it's made with two people It's me and uh, my producer logan and we work really really hard on it And so if you happen to catch it on a saturday, uh, that'd be great And we're coming back next week with our blizzcon episode. We're going to blizzcon. So I think it'll be a blast Excellent. Also, thanks to nicole lee for joining us. Nicole is a regular, uh guest here on dtns So nice to see you again. Nicole. Um, also former colleague of mine. What are what's going on in gadget these days and what can people catch up with So we have a lot of stuff happening as a couple of Conferences coming up. I think still a lot of events in general a lot of reviews coming in. So i'll be doing that for sure um Sorry, i'm gonna be on the way out. Uh, but thank you so much For having me you just go to twitter.com slash slash nicole for all of that and more This folks will be the last round table for a while Uh, unfortunately, we're below the milestone that got us the round table. 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We're totally We're gonna keep doing show What did you say actually we're totally hanging out of ces Yeah, ces this is in two months, right? Yeah, confirmed all our hotel stuff via email Well, we want to hang out with you guys too. We'll be there Please please please. I think we're I think seen it is actually I think our stage now is going to be in tech west like our kidding. Yeah, I think we're moving Like maybe I'm not sure if we're doing it for sure or not Tech west is like the at the at the former hilton or whatever it is, right? It's that's the one where it's over at the uh Is it the what well former hilton is westgate, right? Yeah westgate. Sorry. I don't know where tech west is. I'm always at the main I'm always at south hall. So it's like yeah tech west is uh, westgate. That's right I know that some of our maybe just I don't know I don't know what's official and what isn't but I think maybe we're we might be Man, we've had a stage in tech west. So it's not a new thing. I just am not sure what is going on The first year I worked at scenet. We were in the um, we were in the the the parking lot Basically, like we're in a tent. Oh, I remember that I was at ziff davis I knew I was where it's at and then the sec the next year we got the south hall and we've you guys have been there ever since Yeah, it's an era if you move out of that. Yeah, we'll see I like I I know that there's been a lot of like Chatter about like what I had like what we can offer with tours and stuff like where because it's so big now It's like it's so much show Hopefully they'll keep the lights on through the event. Oh my god. I hope central hall just That would be so great Yeah, that a little moment this year a little The ea folks are like, oh, please can you just forget about that? Can we just let it go? I won't let it go not effort I have to say though. They were very good At uh responding and and we were able to get our show Going even though central hall was out of power Um, so they they they scrambled pretty well for us anyway Yeah But yeah, no that was spooky when that like the show floor being empty and dark In the middle of I I will say it reminded me of way back when when there were rolling blackouts And we were at tech tv and there would be just a random out. Oh, yeah The brownouts or whatever we're on the dark and we just start talking about like Yeah, there used to be a thing like you you'd have a set thing that you would do when the blood when the rolling blackout came Because all the engineers started playing with like this silly putty stuff and all the writers would drink tequila in my office Oh, that's cool. Wow I still had to go to the studio because we had a backup diesel generator Wow Oh my god, Fortnite dev epic games raises 1.25 billion dollars in funding Wow Small potato. What do you like about? Domo or you got to mr. Roboto Domo Domo no title Oh, we got it the title for the show. I'm sorry. I didn't catch. Oh, I'm sorry, but like as a title for the show Yeah, roger's just like do you like that song? It's a good song it's one of the few songs I will listen through Because Speaking of like autumn automated economy. I just went to the amazon go store here in san francisco Like yesterday and that's the store where like there's like no cashier. You just go in Yeah, you swipe your phone and then you just put it was weird because It was it was it felt it felt very dystopian. I don't know how else to describe it. It was odd Like not just go in and go out and nobody You would contact is not allowed Well along with your food items take your purchases leave store immediately Yeah, so that was but the thing is there were a lot more amazon employees than I expected there were like a lot of like Uh, just stock refilling and just people milling about They're hovering if you have time to lean Well, and that goes back to our conversation about automation is when you don't need people to be running the cash register It's not like you fire them. You know You just have them around. Yeah You you won't have empty shelves anymore because they're all be able and then when the robots are stocking the shelves Then they'll find something else. Well you you you hover around the cover around the answer questions, you know Um film struck down Oh Smile yard start camera That was quick. Hey All right, you guys have ones but I have to uh get back to uh work Thanks Thank you, Nicole. Ashley. Have a wonderful weekend. You were awesome. Thank you so much They had the doggies I will hug all three of them for you Yes, I'll I'll email you And by video people thanks for watching and hanging out with us and have a lovely time audio people stick around