 A lifetime of peeling off those bacteria by a lack of fiber means that a significant percentage of the population is now deficient and incapable of making hydrogen. So I want to start with a bit of your background. You got a mystery virus that left you absolutely miserable. Tell us about that first and let's get into hydrogen. This is about 10 years ago and at the time I was the fittest and healthiest I'd ever been in my life, the business I was running, I was on the road about a week a month and the other three weeks I only had an hour or two of work to do at home a day so I was training four to six hours a day between martial arts, CrossFit, just being generally active and whatever hit me it absolutely floored me. Overnight I had central nervous system fatigue so I couldn't jump an inch off the ground. I couldn't do any explosive movements at all. I had sudden onset narcolepsy so if I sat down in the chair like this and wasn't animated talking for a minute or so I'd just conk out fall asleep. I was sleeping 16 to 18 hours a day. You lucky devil. My C-reactive proteins were like 35 milligrams a deciliter. So it was 100 times abnormal. They just really couldn't figure it out. At the same time my best friend they thought he had the same virus but it was completely different with him. He kept on having to go to the hospital. He had pneumonia. Had to miss work for a couple weeks so something really hit us. Then when the dust settled and you know my inflammation dropped not even to normal but just down to like two milligrams a deciliter. I was left with osteoarthritis in 11 joints the worst of which is my left shoulder it's completely bone-on-bone now. The doctors I was dealing with told me that I can never work out again you know have to basically just protect my joints at all costs. I didn't like that answer so they had put me on a thousand milligrams of naprox in a day and I was doing cortisone injections and I just knew those weren't long-term solutions especially being 29 at the time. I can't just be on high levels of non-serotal anti-inflammatory drugs for the rest of my life. For those listening that's a leave super leave how's that. Yeah like five times what you did. I spent all that time I'd been training just scouring PubMed reading every single article I could find on anything that could regulate the inflammatory response in the body and I started a bunch of different protocols one of which I'd found some research on hydrogen water and molecular hydrogen. There was a dearth of options to get hydrogen water at the time but I bought a machine for four or five thousand dollars and was supposed to make it and I was back to exercising but not like I had before you know maybe five times a week an hour a day and nine or so months later I fainted a couple different times within a week or so at the gym and it turns out I developed multiple ulcers from the the super leave as you call it and I had to abruptly stop you know taking that anti-inflammatory drugs. Well within a couple of days of stopping all of my joints seized so I couldn't put on a shirt couldn't put on socks because you know I have bad arthritis in my hip too and it just left me floored and back to the drawing board because I realized other than the drugs none of these protocols I was on was actually significantly helping me because I'd seized up including the hydrogen water that I'd spent like five thousand dollars on the machine. So I went back to PubMed and started diving back in and there were more newer articles showing hydrogen water had these effects and it perturbed me but I decided to buy the full studies to read the materials methods and realized that none of the studies were using a machine like what I'd bought. Right and then I just thought to myself how do I even know that this machine is making hydrogen water because I was just going off what the salesman told me. So I found a chemical reagent to test for hydrogen and do the titration and it was undetectable. When I tripled the input I was able to reduce one drop indicating that there was only 0.03 parts per million of hydrogen coming out of this machine. And that's nothing right? It's nothing. It is one sixteenth one seventeenth of the lowest concentration that is ever shown to have any physiological effect. Of course hydrogen is like any other molecule. There's a dose dependent effect and so far to date there's no instance where getting a higher concentration in dose is less effective than a lower dose. And a lot of the research like on my technology we're getting in half a liter over 12 parts per million. So hundreds of times higher than what this machine was spinning. That actually gave me a bit of hope because I realized I hadn't actually tried hydrogen yet. So I started doing some home chemistry and making some concoctions. I'd gotten sources on the magnesium I need to make this and was buying some organic acids and I was testing my home concoctions at about 3 ppm. You know when I was drinking a few liters a day of this and within about a week my joints sort of loosened. I was thinking wow this is really working and but I did have a sober second thought. I thought to myself I'm a quick learner and I understand the basic chemistry but I don't want to win a Darwin award. I'm dealing with elemental magnesium and hydrogen gas in my kitchen. I don't want to blow myself up in my house and you don't want to be the Hindenburg. Exactly. So I found my founding partner. He's a PhD in organic chemistries in the pharmaceutical industry. He develops molecules for drug research. At first he told me it was the worst pseudoscience he'd ever heard in his life and he gave me this list of all the reasons why you can't dissolve hydrogen in water even if you could. It's not going to have a physiological effect. It's inert. By that time I'd read enough papers that I was able to rebut him with peer-reviewed research in every area and he gave it a read and he said I'm stunned but it appears there's something here. Sure I'll take a look at what you're doing and as he was reviewing my chemistry and what I'd been doing with this I just kept on sending him a new paper every day and he called me up and asked me for lunch and serendipitously I'd sent him a paper it was a human double-blind placebo-controlled trial on a model that he was the lead chemist developing small molecules to target. He said the other research you've sent I'm not a subject matter expert right so I just have to go off the conclusions but unless this paper is fraudulent this stuff works. Are you sure you just want this as a do-it-yourself project or are you looking for a partner? Do you want to go into commercialization? We talked about it a lot decided to give it a try and refining my chemistry didn't take that long it was only a couple weeks but we quickly realized it was a massive difference between making 20 of them in a mortar and pestle and pressing by hand and having the reaction work the same way making millions at high speed and so that took us about a year a few thousand iterative adjustments to our formulation and 15 failed scale-up attempts but finally we got our first production ready tablet out we stopped track counting but at least 5,000 more iterative adjustments to continuously improve the product. So let's back up because your your investor or your partner says you know oh come on this is pseudo science and you know I'm glad it's having a placebo effect on you you go well wait a minute there's like a thousand papers written about this primarily in Japan and China so why would hydrogen have any effect on what you're what you're saying it does? Yeah absolutely and this is that something that evaded researchers and why is hydrogen having this this physiological effect like we're seeing it replicated over and over again in many many different models right but why right what's the evolutionary basis and as research on hydrogen expanded and more experts from other fields started looking the story started coming together more for instance hydrogen has been with us since the dawn of evolution so our mitochondria evolved from eukaryotes and eukaryotes expelled hydrogen gas as a waste product eukaryotes formed from a symbiotic relationship between two organelle one of which consumed hydrogen right as a fuel source right so hydrogen has been with our mitochondria since before it was mitochondria and we know that hydrogen is having an impact primarily on the mitochondria it's been called a mito-hormetic effector so hormesis for the mitochondria or like exercise like stress for the mitochondria it's improving the mitochondria function their number through mitochondrial biogenesis repairing damaged mitochondria so it's having these profound effects on our mitochondria we know that there has been more hydrogen in our atmosphere at various times throughout evolution in fact the oldest waters we found on the planet two billion years old deep beneath the Canadian Shield still has dissolved hydrogen gas in those sources but more importantly we now know why supplementing with exogenous hydrogen external hydrogen is going to be impactful because we produce it endogenously so why do we need more of it let me stop you there sure well wait a minute we produce it who's who's making it for us the bacteria in our stomach except for people who have impaired microbiomes which is a shocking amount so research is showing that once you hit middle age especially people with impaired metabolisms or who are overweight they stop producing hydrogen gas they're producing methane instead in rates of 60 to 80 percent you know a middle-aged people are producing methane instead of H2 in addition to that the way we're producing hydrogen with our bacteria is by fermenting non-nutritive carbohydrates or fibers right right and historically humans would have consumed 100 to 150 grams of dietary fiber a day sure today the average person on a western diet or in the western world rather consumes like less than 15 grams but someone on a standard american diet eating a lot of fast food might consume only one or two or three grams of dietary fiber a day so what is likely happening is because we're not actually consuming the fuel source for the bacteria that makes the hydrogen we're losing those bacteria right they got nothing to eat exactly and they leave exactly so even if you start eating fiber now if you lack that bacteria you're not going to just start producing hydrogen all of a sudden so a lifetime of killing off those bacteria by a lack of fiber means that a significant percentage of the population is now deficient and incapable of making hydrogen one of the things that got me interested about hydrogen water years ago was a japanese study looking at people with early Parkinson's a neurodegenerative disease which there's an epidemic of like Alzheimer's and they found that the people with early Parkinson's did not have bacteria in their gut that produced hydrogen gas whereas the control group that didn't have Parkinson low and behold had bacteria that made hydrogen gas and correct me if i'm wrong but they gave these individuals hydrogen water which is what we're talking about today hydrogen gas dissolved in water and low and behold their symptoms improved this has been true in a few studies in rodents and humans there are studies that have shown no effect in hydrogen water and PD but a lot more research is needed right right on the subject and even the one that showed no effect there was a massive error in the study and a percentage of the placebo group were actually getting hydrogen water it's a tough area we had a trial that was supposed to be ongoing in a major university in the US here but they canceled it during the pandemic because they weren't able to recruit anyone so that it's something i'd love to see more research on i think you're right uh the uh there's a husband and wife microbiome research team at stanford the son of irks who would absolutely confirm what you're saying is unfortunately primarily because of our diet but also in the things i talk about the antibiotics that we take the antibiotics that we feed our animals that we eat we're a desert wasteland of microbiome now compared to some hunter-gatherer in africa yeah i'm sure you're aware too like a lot of people think you can just take you know a probiotic and fix everything but some of the bacteria that we lose we can get back within weeks some might take years and we've as you mentioned the hunter-gatherers there's bacteria in hunter-gatherer populations that we believe took generations to lose right so it's not just a simple fix well again i tell people that you know we live in california and we're used to forest fires now unfortunately and when that forest which is a amazing ecosystem burns to the ground we think that we can put some little seedlings in and instantly have a forest but it'll take 20 or 30 years to get that complex ecosystem back and yet we assume that when we take a round of antibiotics for a cold which of course it doesn't work on anyhow we can take a probiotic and presto change oh we'll get the ecosystem back i wish it was that simple even if it was that would still require people to scale back up to eating the 100 to 150 grams of dietary fiber a day that we evolved to anticipate which that would cause most people severe distress right even me as i started diving into this and i slowly scaled up my dietary fiber to 60 to 80 grams a day and that was months of agony in feeling sick before my body became accustomed now describe feeling sick what do you mean bloating gas stabbing pains in you know your stomach exactly you know now i'm adjusted to it but it took months most people are not going to go through that and i'm not even at the levels that we evolve to anticipate and anyone who looks at a gorilla who's got a huge amount of muscle mass sees that massively giant stomach and that's not fat that's that's his fermentation bat and we unfortunately once upon a time we're able to tolerate that sort of fermentation bat but you're right it's getting dietary fiber in and becoming tolerant to it is is an interesting process that i have stalked my patients through yeah and you're right hydrogen is is fascinating to mitochondria because if you if you've read my energy paradox book or unlocking the keto code you know that in the mitochondria what they're basically doing is energizing electrons and moving protons to make ATP and low and behold hydrogen just happens to have one electron to donate and happens to have a proton so it's a fabulous donor for making energy and you're right probably the original life forms were down in the bottom of ocean vents where hydrogen was very available one of the interesting things that we're saying about hydrogen and how it affects say energy it is with ATP and this is actually true for almost everything we're looking at with hydrogen it is it has no effect when everything is fine and healthy and perfect it's only as soon as there's a stress that hydrogen seems to be like this master supervisor within the cell that ramps up ATP and energy production and starts correcting everything that's going wrong so for instance hydrogen won't say drive up ATP when you're feeling great but if you have a tbi or a stress all of a sudden it ramps up to repair that that damage we've seen the same thing on research with the tablets where hydrogen is not a stimulant so if you take it and you're you know already full of energy you don't feel a kick in energy but after acute sleep deprivation we're seeing like significant increases in brain metabolism and more robust when compared against caffeine right head-to-head research and that's not a stimulant the fact that's just repairing the decrease in you know coaling to creatine ratios in the brain that happen from that you know sleep deprivation stress so what you're saying is i can stay up all night and have a couple hydrogen tablets in my water and just keep going man you'll feel better for a couple hours right like it doesn't last forever but we have improved things like the attention network test after 24 hours lead deprivation and actually hydrogen specifically affected orienting whereas stimulants like caffeine affect alerting that's what makes you jittery and looking around and can cause anxiety in some people but hydrogen anecdotally it it doesn't feel like a stimulant it feels like you're returning to normal right like you just feel okay and that's actually what in the research where it shows that we're improving orienting that ties into the experiential feeling all right so how about exercise tolerance where where does hydrogen fit in there so hydrogen has you know one systematic review and meta analysis showing that there's a significant anti-fatigue effect right now we have some research that that is about to publish two actually separate trials showing that we significantly protect against the rise in like creatine kinase and damages like you know other damages like myoglobin right so this is basically protecting against muscle damage post exercise but there's even cooler research done in rodents that shows exactly how hydrogen can potentiate the stress response of exercise while helping you recover faster so for instance in rats that were put on a forced swim actually let me start over there sure exercise is good for you because it's actually bad for you exactly yes and that's a hormetic effect exactly that which doesn't kill me makes me stronger exactly so long as it's not too big of a stress exactly right which doesn't kill me and that that's what hydrogen is right it's an adapted stress something we evolve to anticipate so our body expects that and it helps with cell signaling and restoring a lot of our functions right so this is okay back to the rat rat study so the control rats you know you see as expected you know a rise in oxidative stress and inflammation while they're exercising right in the hydrogen group what what it was really counterintuitive at first until we started understanding hydrogen better is hydrogen actually acutely increased the oxidative stress and inflammation during exercise which people from exercise science know that this is potentially a good thing because you don't want to take antioxidants and anti-inflammatories in conjunction with exercise at blunt hypertrophy gains right right the h2 potentially the stress response but they rebounded to homeostasis faster right so the the inflammation oxidative stress came down to homeostatic levels quicker than the exercise alone group this indicates that hydrogen increased the exercise stress but decreased the recovery time you know meaning it's like you worked out harder and recovered quicker which sounds like a good idea yeah definitely which is why a lot of high level athletes are now using hydrogen in their protocols and it's legal yeah of course i mean it's something endogenous in our our body you can get it from your diet there's nothing in the water rules or anything like that about hydrogen being a performance enhancer we've talked about most of us are gut microbiome stinks and we've we're starving it to death and we're killing it so does hydrogen water or hydrogen gas have any effect on improving the gut microbiome yes there's quite a number of studies and actually this is one area that that is really showing the difference between say drinking hydrogen water and inhaling hydrogen gas right so that was actually one of the first big you know skepticisms on hydrogen waters why wouldn't you just inhale the gas right but we're showing it in say from kinetic research that even at hundreds of times higher levels hydrogen water is having the same or even greater rise in cellular concentrations is inhaling but it's also getting to certain areas far better than inhalation does like for instance it's having a much more robust effect on the microbiome and it's getting to our liver better right and actually we're seeing that hydrogen is a driver of liver homeostasis as well and that that's a whole separate topic because a percentage of the hydrogen that goes with the liver is actually metabolized in an unknown way right and it's showing like you know things like liver health are needing like 10 times the dosage of hydrogen to see an effect as compared to like exercise performance so that's that's a different subject but with the microbiome specifically with hydrogen water it's getting and it's interacting with our microbiome and on a number of studies 15 or 20 now in humans and in multiple animal models we've seen significant improvements in the microbiome after administering hydrogen water in addition to that in one of our recent studies on the tablets we saw some other you know parameters and gut health that improved we significantly decreased cal-protectin and we improved short short chain fatty acids most prominently propionic acid and butyric acid so uh cal-protectin for those of you who are curious is is one of the measurements we can make to actually look at leaky gut at damage to the wall of the gut and so that's a big deal if you see that being modified coming down from your intervention and if you've read any of my last three books including gut check you know that short chain fatty acids are kind of the holy grail not only of gut health but also of mitochondrial health of brain health and if particularly if you've read gut check you know that a lot of our bacteria that make butyrate actually have to have precursors for butyrate of other short chain fatty acids like acetate like propionic and so what he's saying in in science speak is this is good stuff um so sorry yeah no no problem there is also some other gut related benefits um we've seen this in the research but before this but it was the first time we saw it in humans that hydrogen actually regulated ghrelin right and in this case that's the hunger hormone yeah um but you know and to jump in like it hasn't some really cool other roles in our body too like ghrelin is neuro-protective it regulates our glucose metabolism it regulates our insulin response and a lot of a lot of people get confused on ghrelin because this is a hormone that you actually want to peak and drop right but in obese people it just stays not even elevated like in healthy people with a healthy metabolism it peaks much higher than an obese people obese people it never peaks and it never drops so this was an overweight population we did this in and it showed that the hydrogen drove peaks in ghrelin so it's sort of functioning normally normally and does it have any effect on leptin or leptin resistance or leptin sensitivity or has that been looked at i'm not aware of that now off camera you are telling me some interesting studies about hydrogen water and potentiating the desirable effects of certain drugs and maybe blocking some of the undesirable effects of certain drugs can you elaborate on that yeah this is actually like i'm an author and a lot of these papers are coming out so this is what i think is the most exciting area of research in hydrogen future we've shown it in multiple preclinical studies to potentiate different approved pharmaceutical agents not just myself and the researchers i work for but other teams as well a paper at stony brookes saw synergy between hydrogen and minocycline for post stroke recovery and rats we have seen hydrogen potentiate the effects of sulfosalazine on the ulcerative colitis right so hydrogen was roughly as effective as sulfosalazine for uc but the combination were more effective and then we saw hydrogen potentiate the effects of flora cell or 5 fu for colorectal cancer in mice and this was a very very interesting paper because hydrogen and 5 fu had similar effects on reducing tumor size tumor weight and collagen content right within the tumor as expected um flora cell the chemo therapeutic um it increased oxidative stress and blunted the antioxidant response as expected in the hydrogen alone group it activated our antioxidant response and reduced oxidative stress now this is where it gets really interesting about hydrogen in its regulatory role because 19 times out of 20 hydrogen shows in the research to have potent antioxidant like effects anti-inflammatory like effects and such but one in 20 times like such as the exercise research i talked about hydrogen has potentiated stress responses like increased oxidative stress for beneficial outcomes or increased inflammation for beneficial outcomes so in this study hydrogen actually increased within the cancer cells increased the oxidative stress and blunted the you know antioxidant response in conjunction with 5 fu more than the 5 fu alone so it basically obliterated the cancer so it completely nerfed the tumor size and weight and the collagen content in the the hydrogen group and in the the 5 fu group were like 23 24 percent it dropped to 6 percent in the combo group we have some other interesting research that that we're just writing up the manuscript right now on hydrogen and statin where we're seeing some other really interesting stuff going on i can't go into all right too much because we haven't published but no we're seeing this over and over again yeah i think you mentioned and maybe it's not published yet not that i really care but does hydrogen lower cholesterol or change cholesterol synthesis there is a systematic review and meta-analysis showing that hydrogen has cholesterol improving results but again this is only when they're abnormal yeah right so um and this is what's really cool about hydrogen when you have a healthy population that there's nothing wrong with the marker even if hydrogen changes that marker 19 out of 20 times it seems to have no effect when the markers are in a healthy range because it's just driving homeostasis right and this is what it's doing with say our oxidative stress it's not an antioxidant it's driving something called redox homeostasis which is like the yin yang relationship between our beneficial antioxidants and our beneficial stressors right um people think of all free radicals and stress is bad that's that's not a good thing a lot of them have very critical cell signaling roles in our body yep uh nitric oxides are free radical right for instance so hydrogen rather than being a direct antioxidant it is regulating our production of antioxidants in our body by the nerve two pathway but also regulating things like nitric oxide and h202 wait a minute so this stuff is so good for us um shouldn't we be drinking hydrogen water all day every day maybe get up in the middle of the night and have another shot that's actually what what a lot of companies say but they don't understand the science and they don't read the science because what we know about hydrogen just like if we're looking at hydrogen like a hormitic stress like exercise right more isn't always better this is you need a peak in stress to get the adaptation and then a recovery right in research on uh say rodents when we put a continuous flow of hydrogen 24-7 we actually see no improvements it's only when we pulse and they might get hydrogen in their cage for one or two hours a day that's when we see it in addition um when rodents are drinking hydrogen water they have mice and rats have much different feeding and drinking schedules in humans too right they drink their water and they drink like 12 times more water than than a human does right per body weight yeah and they drink it all within a few hours right so it's like they get that peak stress and then the adaptation for recovery so you absolutely do not want to be sitting hydrogen water all day long you want to drink it once or twice at most three times a day in a very short time period so that you can get it into your cells peak your cmax get your cellular concentration as high as you can and then let it drop and recover hear that everybody all right so here we go the tablets are uh a little bit exothermic right so they release heat is what that means you don't want to chew it you don't want to swallow it either um you want to drop it in the water okay and basically what hydrogen water is all that it is is the water is a delivery method to get the hydrogen gas into your internal organs so wait a minute so that fizz what are we seeing so we're seeing h2 so when when you put like traditional you know uh fizzy tablet in the water releasing co2 right right so a lot of people get confused on what hydrogen water is and they think it's a completely new compound right that's not what we're doing this is a solution right of gas dissolved in water just like sparkling water right which is just water with co2 this is just water with h2 and the water part the h2o part isn't particularly important except it's delivering the h2 gas to our internal organs so it can get to our liver and so it can react with our microbiome so why doesn't the hydrogen uh combine with the oxygen and make more water in a nutshell to go to maybe a bit too chemistry for most people but molecular hydrogen has a full outer shell so it's very resistant to reaction right but what is happening is we're using elemental magnesium to break apart the water right so basically we're getting some of the water molecules and the h2 is splitting off and the oxygen is combining with magnesium to make magnesium hydroxide so we're getting hydrogen gas plus magnesium hydroxide but hydroxide's a function of pH right and we're using organic acids like malic acid which is also part of the crab cycle and can help contribute to ATP right um to help catalyze its reaction and also reduce the hydroxide which just leaves the h2 gas in the water and mg2 plus or free magnesium ions and don't get me started with how good magnesium is for us 100 i mean what is it 80 or 90 percent of people are deficient yes in magnesium and one of the reasons why it can be hard to raise your magnesium levels is a lot of magnesium supplements aren't particularly bioavailable true and the reason for this is magnesium forms strong compounds typically and a lot of these magnesium like salts that we take as supplements they're they're too strong for our stomach acid to break apart especially in older people who need them the most so they just pass through us you know and act as a laxative exactly but this reaction is leaving the magnesium in the free ion form which is exactly what we need to utilize in our body so your stomach doesn't have to do any work to liberate this magnesium we're getting a one two punch out of this yeah and i can tell you as a heart surgeon that most people are so severely depleted in magnesium that after heart surgery we had to put people on magnesium drips for 48 hours to get their magnesium levels up to where they wouldn't have atrial fibrillation or ventricular tachycardia and if those sound bad you're right so you're right we're most of us are really profoundly deficient in magnesium and even if your doctor tells you that your magnesium level is fine most people don't realize that we will keep our blood magnesium level in a normal range even though we've completely depleted our cellular magnesium where it really needs to be so this has been bubbling for what a couple minutes couple minutes yeah and it's like mine's rotten to the surface now or about to rise to the surface yeah i see mine up on the top what i say to people is you want to drink this as fast as possible so prepare it in the volume of water that you can most easily chug so like i chugged mine like this wow that's pretty good so i don't want to sip it and enjoy the savory you know flavor and smell it's actually really tasty folks um so uh this is one of the reasons why we use different volumes of water in the research depending on the subject population now for instance with athletes we will always use half a liter of water or about 17 ounces okay for middle-aged you know people will say things like metabolic syndrome yeah we're often using about 12 ounces of water instead of 17 because they tend to be able to drink that quickly but in the one study we did on a 70 plus population the average age was 77 we used eight ounces of water and and well we saw some remarkable benefits in that population so this was six months long double blind placebo controlled and uh we i think raised telomeres by i think was 14 percent we lengthened them where they went down in the placebo group of course as you'd expect we improved DNA methylation we improved brain metabolism in the elderly uh we doubled this uh protein in the blood called TET2 now for anyone now watching who has seen the headlines on the vampire research where they take the blood of a young mouse and they put it into the older mouse and it improves their brain function and also their skeletal tissue right this is linked to TET2 so TET2 actually has very critical roles in muscle regeneration now we're not talking about getting a tattoo no no TET2 so TET2 in addition to this we saw some real functional benefits that affect people's everyday life so in the hydrogen group it tended to improve sleep it improved quality of life scores by reducing pain scores but very importantly and this could be linked to the TET2 rise we improved some parameters of the senior fitness test so for instance the sit chair stand no so elderly people they could sit and stand more times before they got tired and this was actually kind of shocking because with the average age of 77 over six months you don't expect that to improve true and in addition to that this was recruited in early 2020 during the lockdowns of the pandemic so these people weren't going to the gym they weren't out walking or anything they were stuck in their homes and yet the hydrogen group still got more fit all right so this is patented yes okay why don't I go to the grocery store and buy a hydrogen water in a plastic container which I've seen what do you think the hydrogen water like ready to drink right that like cans you open one plastic is only going to keep hydrogen in it for a couple hours right so hydrogen as you sat at the sort of the interview it's a smallest molecule in the universe right does not get smaller so it can pass through any container right even the ones in aluminum pouches most of them can't actually be certified by the ihsa international hydrogen standards association as being called hydrogen water because they're below the lowest concentration that's ever seen any physiological effect on the body yarn often even in these aluminum pouches because the aluminum pouches they have plastic caps good point what's the point in that and like they might get packaged at like one milligram a liter or one ppm of h2 but by the time they get over here from japan or korea or china they're down to 0.3 0.4 and then you're getting a super low dose as well because they're usually in 200 milliliter pouches yeah so the concentration is low and then the volume of water is low so what did we just have that was about 500 milliliters because we put two tablets in there um our gas chromatography shows that a single tablet in 500 milliliters or 17 ounces is over 12 ppm right but because we put two it's not going to be a doubling effect it's going to be about time and a half so we would have gotten 17 or 18 ppm and a half liter so we were getting close to nine milligrams of h2 whereas if you're even at 0.5 ppm which those pouches don't get in 200 milliliters of water that's only 0.1 milligram of h2 so we're getting 90 times more in that class we just drank than one of the pouches that you're going to buy for four or five dollars at the grocery store cool now the other thing maybe we maybe people don't realize people drink a fizzy beverage or a carbonated beverage and a great number of people then belch this stuff hydrogen like you mentioned is the smallest molecule in the world and it literally goes right through the wall of our gut into our bloodstream yes some of it does yeah some of it feeds our microbiome yeah exactly so some will start just like you know diffusing straight through the wall of our stomach into our body whereas a good chunk we're actually discovering is going through the the typical chain through our intestines and then through our liver and then passing through to our heart right so we we know we are getting a good percentage that's going through that way but hydrogen will go throughout all of our body by transferring from being in the water to dissolving in our blood yeah our blood just carries it everywhere right if you found this video helpful i think you're gonna love this one the more you introduce your kids to this style of eating early on you're gonna set them up for a much healthier lifespan to come