 And breathe in and breathe out Okay, I don't know what like it Become one with the brick with the okay. Well. Hey everyone. Welcome to the terrifying podcast Was a season 2 episode 68 one episode left after today in season 2. How you guys doing? Hopefully you're having a good time. Don't worry. I know you don't see industry start on screen if you're watching the video version He will be here later. He's watching the Miami Heat game right now pretty tight game We'll see what's going on with that in a moment. I thought I'll probably load it up on my phone here Just cuz I'm curious that being said We're gonna start the podcast the way we do every single time go around the room introduce who the heck we are and what have we been playing Lately, let's just start with the guy right next to me. Mr. Game bird classic. Who are you? The iconic game bird classic catchphrase there you go I've actually been playing a sea of stars. It was one of my favorite Games that released last year. I never got a chance to finish it. I'm in the the later stages of the game and loving it And it's been such a good year already for RPGs in general So yeah, just just having fun with that one looking forward to finishing it and playing a lot of other cool stuff That's coming out Nice nice nice Let's see here. What about Tucker welcome back Tucker. I am Hardly know her what And I haven't heard that one before that's new one on me. Okay. All right. Yeah, I know I'm back I'm back after a legendary episode that was actually so long you actually. Yeah, I like that I Have a conversation with himself. I'm trying to introduce myself. Sorry Tucker. You're right. I was What where do we even begin, you know, there's a long and stored history of Tucker hazel on the center prime podcast and which I Was right basically. I'm that's really all there is to say I Yeah, but my god is a on the still 2024 be which I respect I'm sorry, I thought to me taking my L like a man, you know, hey It's only been four months of the year. Why are you listening to me? Come on man. I thought you were selling that now. No, it ain't happening this year. They're not going down with the ship They're not they're not get even at Gamescom if it was coming out this year would have been at Gamescom. That's right Let's put it put it back on As long as we can Until we count five four three two one right even at the last minute Yeah, and really really set the last minute Eric. You better think of something to interrupt Tucker with Also nobody phone. What are you watching? What are you watching? I'm playing it. It sounds like everyone else doing that That wasn't my phone. I actually just have that set up. So you just have taps on like speed dial. I do I got this too I've got lots of stuff don't worry about it So what's your longest story in history beyond destroying me and switch to 2024 debates What is my my longest story in history now, you know your long and story? Oh Yeah, let's start with that one the longest story in history No, it's just frankly just that but what else do you need? What else do you need? Well, where where could they find you normally like what are you on I have a YouTube channel called backlog banter That is there's not you know, it's not a lot not a lot of subscribers on there If Tucker looks familiar You may watch a lot of gay porn. Hey, oh, that's me How'd you know? Yeah, but I I was saying no less subscribers there, but that the subscriber to quality ratio is just insane It's just this is such a gap I'm described. I'm very in tune with the seas. Thank you very well But in terms of what I've been playing I Actually was just playing Final Fantasy 15. I I don't know what inspired me to start that I've been playing through Final Fantasy games over the last a couple of years And that's one that always intrigued me because it seems so different for the series And so last couple days I put like I put over 10 hours into it. So I'm enjoying it I just I like Final Fantasy. It's it's a very very very weird game though. It's just a strange game Which number Final Fantasy 15 that's all with the boys in the car. Yeah, that's like the boy band on I kind of like that one. I like it more than 16, which I know is a very unpopular opinion I mean fit 16 is one of my favorite games all time. So 15 quite not on that level not quite on that level yet But it looks like you have you have questions I'm good you what I like about 15 that 16 doesn't have is the exploration Sure, that's fair enough. I will say Me able to go anywhere 15 has a massive world not a lot to do though So you're just kind of going around because it's big it's big and you're in a car I'm okay. Well, if you do all the side quests, which I did it was quite fun for me, but fair enough I mean 15 15 to me is the superior Final Fantasy, but sure I Like 15 more than 16 also But my gripe with 16 actually is is not the same lots of people have an issue with it being kind of an action game Rather than an RPG for me. That's not the problem I I think the combat super fast snappy and fun My issue is I don't like the story in 16 and I know that's a hot take sure But I think the story is fantastic up until the end. I don't like the way I don't like the way it ends Yeah, that's definitely fair. Yeah, that's definitely fair. I don't want to go into spoilers for people I know there's probably a lot of people who are jumping in after Rebirth and stuff like that. Yeah, but yeah, just the way I don't know sometimes when you have more like Personal reasons are self-contained when things get too big and blown up at the end. Sure It kind of kills it for me then again, you probably won't like RPGs then No, I love RPGs, but yes, I complain about a lot of The trophy stuff, but I think about 15 though is it doesn't start like the game doesn't have a beginning You're just like, who are these people? Where are they? What's happening? Exactly which in my opinion is a great idea Movie first and that's the intro. Yeah. Yeah, that's how nine starts, too You start in a ship with these people that's doing in the middle of doing something already. So yeah Okay, yeah, all right Daddy Jake, who are you for starters and why are you my dad and what have you been playing lately? Well, I am daddy Jake That I am him. I'm daddy. Jay. I'm not your dad. I'm everybody's daddy I want to give a special shout out to Ruth in the chat who is one of our viewers mothers Wanted to know if I was bricked up tonight and Ruth I'm pretty bricked up. I'm pretty it's safe to say I'm not saying you have to say it. What if you were to say it? It'll be a safe thing to say you'd be feeling like this Hey, let me do the only fan stuff. That's for the only fan. Oh, sorry There you go That's his interest music when he's wrestling and he's coming down. He's coming down the walk And he's just moaning music play in the background Yes, what's up chat I this week Didn't get to play a lot, but it was a friend's like birthday slash wedding celebration and We did play that game I told you guys about last week what the dub or if you weren't here basically it plays like old movie clips from the 50s Mm-hmm, and it will let them say most of it and then it cuts it out And you can make them say whatever you want and then it actually says it It doesn't just like put the text there. It actually reads it out And so that can get out of hand very fast. It was really fun to play that again And then I played just dance 2024 20, I don't know whatever the latest just dance was and Before I came in like second place every time we were playing with six people, but one person We shall be not be named Probably cheated to be honest, but one person won like every time but I still that game was really fun I was so tired though, and I went all out for it And maybe I cheated by tackling them until the ground several times To try to get them to have a worse score, but it just it backfired just made my score way worse. So But it was fun. I don't think tackles and moving just Yeah, but I was trying to make it so they couldn't do any moves. Yeah, well, you were doing Mike who the hell are you who the heck am I? I'm me my goddess welcome. Welcome to the Odyssey the light press play. They wonder what this quad is, you know play So yeah, I'm just another another Another guy on YouTube here just spending the rest of my life here just Staring at my dog you guys can look at my dog right here Anna Here that's my dog. It's good paper. Let's get to Yeah, thank you so much for having me Happy to hear with the cast of cool cast and we have Eric in in 6k today six K resolution Look at him. Look at him. Awesome, right? He's sexy every single hair. It's all accounted for it Any side Don't be scared Eric We love you you born again But uh, wow Yeah, what I'm gonna be pissed. I've been playing a Final Fantasy reaver been good now one I played today at least I play I played the full demo from the Europa game Allow me to read my review here. It's gonna take me about 10 minutes Just complete the Europa demo so far I like it. It's a solo Player journey guided by a voice from the past through sheets of a journal you'll find throughout the world To what I understand the journal was left behind by the protagonist's father after arriving in a new world It's more like an adventure than an active adventure. So, you know, that's Europe That's my short my short little my short little review here that I put on a Twix So yeah, follow me in Twix for more short reviews. What is it? Twix is a it's the combination of Twitter and X It's for those people In queue it's not a different thing People who refuse to call it X were compromising you're coming up. No, I respect that. I was just very confused for a second Wix so It's not it's not it's not a fight between the left or the right Twix. It just is But yeah Yeah Twix social media site just I was like, is there something I don't know familiar with see really you got me there. Yeah, so so for those of you who Saw today that the Indie director your Europa. That's a good game. That's that I played it. That's why I'm I'm talking about it because I've made it. I hope you played it Otherwise, you just talked about it for a long time for no reason. It's a long time It was a just paragraph that I read here one two three four five line paragraph Yeah Actually, this is my original thought I put it on Twitter on Twix The shooting like AI bought it. No, no Yeah, GPT can you write a story of the same girl? We had the God my daughter and my wife and my other daughter and my doggy Promise to God that I didn't that I did that came from my own that came from my heart. Okay. It was so the other hands got crossed fingers One at a time So Anyways, awesome Eric. Yeah, what are you playing lately? Nothing, but what are you gonna be playing soon? Everything What's arriving tomorrow my nice what is a 49 inch ultra wide OLED monitor you bastard Yeah, it's it's like what I have am I editing this except his is it over and it was half as much as my Gaming PC do so yeah Picking up a we for oh, yeah. Hell. Yeah My boy is gonna be playing some major vampires of the amic. I'm hyped. Yeah, hi. All right And I guess it's my turn you guys know who I am at this point the host of the Nintendo Prime podcast We oh look what I've been what I've been kind of dealing with around here is a big mixture of games, right? Obviously guys know I'm in some Madden League, so I play that every single week But we I've been doing a lot of the Age of Empire four campaigns Just getting up today and what I love history. So like it's kind of going through history So that's kind of cool But then just kind of relearning all the new keybinds and stuff because they changed them all from Age of Empire One two and three which is that's fine those games came on a long time ago So I've been playing a lot of that Also, I still been dabbling in Final Fantasy 7 rebirth one of these weekends. I'll just sit down to beat the damn thing I don't know why I'm maybe I just don't want it to end. How far in are you that that happens to me a lot? I'm about I'm about 12 hours in and I'm at Shit You got a long way to go I Don't I don't 100% games. All right, so like I can plow through it We'll see we'll see I'm kind of slow playing it so And then let me see I've been playing. Well, actually I just installed grounded on switch yesterday I was planning to play it today, but my day kind of got away with me So I didn't get a chance. So I'll maybe give some opinions on that next week. We'll see So I'm I'm actually kind of excited to play grounded even though I could have played it on Xboxes entire times I have game pass. I just never did and I know next to nothing about the game. So I'm kind of excited Nintendo isn't giving me the place so Curious to hear how it plays. Yeah, can you believe that somebody asked me like I'm like, oh, yeah That's like a honey. It's run the kids like what's honey extra on the kids? They're not culture. They don't know they don't know cinema history came from the see that's just my life history. I literally watched it Mike how old was the person that didn't know I don't know like he had like a old picture of a old person on his old profile on his old Well already then the old self who's too old It's too old that bastard. I'm hearing the word old a lot. I'm not sure how I feel about that Let's go ahead If you do our first time, we're obviously gonna be talking about the indie world and we'll just show this bad boy So Restream wow that was one of the Possible by the power of restream everyone cool Everyone I was I was kidding about being kidding. Okay Anyways So obviously we had the Indian world today. We you know get it, you know two three of these every single year This obviously was maybe had a little more pressure on it than usual from the Nintendo fan base because Nintendo hasn't announced anything All year long if they haven't had a new game announcement of a game. They've actually been making themselves since Mario Wonder what? Princess Peach was made by was made by good feel and the social luminous is as made by Akira So Nintendo hasn't had like any game. They're actually making Announced since Mario Wonder so it's been a long time. It's a long time for us To just not have anything new announced from Nintendo themselves It's one of the longest Actual I think it is the longest route in switch history. So a lot of that's because we just haven't had a general direct Which could happen at some point So instead we had a third-party partner showcase, which cool. We talked about that We did no episode on it now. We have this indie world or right now. We're seeing little little kitty big city or whatever I believe So How are we feeling about this in the world? Like did we enjoy it was there stuff in there? We liked indie worlds tend to get a lot of flak And I think this one's getting a lot of a lot more flak than usual just because we don't have little kitty big teddy Big city I Don't agree. I agree. I think this I love I actually enjoyed this this this this this indie world a lot I gave I gave it an 8 out of 10 because just like I told my audience was watching Look you want to into an indie world you look you go in search of new games You could play you go and search on that one game that's gonna call your attention It's okay. I want to play this game You don't go in in there looking for things You know because in the world normally is for indie developers who sometimes we don't even know who they are until they they show up So like you set your expectation to find new games Open your horizon and find your new activities to do or new games to play And and that's what we went into with that expectation And I love it like like the indie world that game right there that show right there that kind of Metroid type dread type of Yeah, like a man type of yeah, you know, that was a really good game to By Atari I saw that logo and I got excited Atari finally, you know jumping into the Platform and giving us a cool games was that that all character. I thought she was a little coming Yeah, yeah, just tearing up. Yeah. Yeah, I I I want to echo Mike as well. I actually thought this for an indie world. I actually thought this was really good There was I felt like there was something there for everyone I know we had that interesting game called I wrote some notes. So I remember the names I don't think there was anything there that Andres would buy That's my prediction, we'll see if we'll come back to this But we had that cool Indie game that has like the personality you play like a cyborg and there was like the personality aspect to it Find self. I thought that looked really unique and interesting. We had I think it's called and Anton blast It looked like a indie Wario Land game. Yeah, so we got a little bit of a platformer We had that cool puzzle puzzle game Lorelei and the laser eye that was really puzzling had a cool like Cryptic art style a lot of mystique Europa, which is that like Ghibli open Adventury one TMT TMNT we I'm a huge turtles fan. I got turtles In my game room Shredder's revenge was was one of my Favorites the year that it came out. So I thought that looked really cool But yeah, I mean there was a bunch of that Metroidvania one. We just saw I thought there was something there for everyone Yeah, there there was no like big blockbuster. I know the last thing was Steamworld's heist to and the steam world games are rat Steamworld dig to I played the crap out of that game. So that studio is awesome. I'm sure that game is gonna be great but I mean, I Feel like you got to set your expectations with Indie world they never blow people off their rocker and I know a lot of people were hoping for silk song And something of that but honestly in my opinion, I feel games like so games like silk song and Hades have Transcended that caliber of announcements and those games are actually better suited for a general direct war. Yeah data play That's my opinion chat is insufferable on the Indie directs with the frickin silk song thing every time Oh, absolutely, and then just like saying anything else is trash like it's so annoying like why it's also not fair It's not fair to see cherry Not gonna be at this direct like if you want to be a little, you know a little Trying to keep it clean Yeah All right stop ruining it for everyone. It's just the chat so toxic and I hate it Yeah, but to touch a little bit on that I I agree I thought this was a really good showcase and frankly I've been I think I'll maybe slightly underwhelmed by some of the Indie worlds of like last year But I thought that the quality level of this showcase was really high. I mean everything I saw there felt very different There were some notable names like way forward having a game there Sorry turtles are my favorite indie franchise. Yeah, that's that's an interesting one but I mean Like Anton blast and Laura laser eye coming from from anapurna and I've been I've been looking forward to games like shim And another crabs treasurer and then seeing For whatever reason the most game that I was most interested in there was the game called stitch which no one's mentioned That's the most but I was literally That's dropped today. You can play it now. Yeah. Yeah. I I'm kind of broke right now. I had to pay $2,000 to fix my car the other day So I'm $15 it's kind of stretching it for me at the moment But that game I'm very big into pet cross and I think that the art style just looks amazing So I thought this was a really really very good Indie showcase and ending it with a game a new steamrolled game I mean that is kind of the premiere nintendo indie series a steamrolled Tower defense was one of the first dsi wear games and And steamrolled dig and steamrolled dig two coming to we you and 3ds like they have a long history there And so yeah, and there's like the steamrolled the card game rpg one west. Yeah, and And hi, oh, yeah, I think heist was like the most fun one Dude, I had that on we you And so now they're finally making a sequel to that one specifically. I'm excited for it for sure Yeah, but you got to do you got to feel a little bit bad for thoughtful games because I'm sure they were working on steamrolled Heist too for a while. I'm sure it's me very good, but Everyone was hoping for Soap song to close it out and then every time I watched a reaction to this people like oh, it's not so it sounds like Well, it's still another great game from a great series. Yeah, I know It's not fair to them And it's also not fair to team cherry who they were never planning to have their game in this direct And now every time I'm tired day today all of their email inboxes. Where was your game? Why wasn't it there? That's not there fall I bet less than five percent of the people that spam silk song in the chat beat hollow night Yeah, can you imagine if the game comes out and it's actually trash That would be I dude, there's no way there's no Dude, I played a demo of it at e3 2019 and it was already really good back to van. Yeah, there's just no way Yeah That's too much. They wouldn't take this long and then give you a garbage Yeah, no, I agree. No, I just think that like I said, I think silk song is I think it's transcended The indie world announcement I think that is that's a general object test But you also mentioned Hades, which I wanted to talk about the teenage union turtle Game because it literally it looks so awesome. It literally looks like a Hades club. Yep Except you can do four player multiplayer And if you can do that online like that's it And and you can drop in in anyone's game. So theoretically One person can start a run and have Just one friend or a few friends join and then and then if like they if the friend die They can just rejoin the game again No, you could technically always have it as long as the person who's hosting the run Mike's taking his head. No, none of you nuts lock it. Can't he can't bring it back Here we go No, but the game will allow you to to rejoin because anyone can drop in at any time you can just drop in again He's just trolling pokemon the nuzlocke stuff. Oh, okay. Yeah, all right. Yeah, you got me But no that game looks so fun like yeah, you imagine like it's probably not going to be as good as Hades But it looks like it heavily heavily borrows from Oh, listen, listen, um, let me make you day better. Do you have a do you have an apple tv at home? Uh, no or anything apple really iPhone I have an iphone. Yeah, so that game has been uh Out on iphone for a while now you can play it. Uh, and then kind of stream through your tv or something like that What Hades? A lot of like being able to play like a Hades like game and When I say it's like Hades, I don't mean the same genre. I mean they literally like if you've played Hades You can That it was copying it Specifically which is a great game to copy it is on the breath the wild You know clones out there and none of them were as good as breath the wild but Hades itself is technically an indie game I think you can get a lot closer Um, trying to try to clone it but the like thinking about doing that game with four player co-op is just so It's on sick. Yeah, I'm hyped for that And I'm actually probably one of the people that is beat cat quest one and two And those like games don't don't blow my mind, but they're such like comfort games for me And they're so relaxing you can beat them pretty much in one or two fittings And so I am hyped for cat quest three That's that's another one that I was looking forward to and I talk about this game real quick because because I played a demo today and Honestly, I actually really did enjoy. I know the at the beginning the the opening scenes and the cinematics are kind of wonky You know the animation and the character when you're just looking around But when you're actually in game in an engine and playing the actual game, it's so smooth It's really really well built and and the see this is like wonky right here. This is like The pneumatic is kind of cheese nose looks weird don't bug me about this this little backpack He always has on it just like It's more like uh, like a tank where you full with air and that's what allows him to float So you can actually kind of float in the air and it looks like the movement is really slick It is it is so it kind of feels like a little bit when you're when you're gliding with uh When you're in the kingdom So you kind of push up to jump and then you push Double push to kind of make it go higher and then glide down It's very smooth very nice the soundtrack through the soundtrack for this game It'll make you all sleep because it's so soothing and so relaxing. I was super serene. I wish I could turn it off What is beautiful? I mean in a good way Hey mike in Europa is there um Is there any combat mechanics in it or is it like puzzle adventure because it looks like puzzle adventure But I'm just curious that if there is combat. Yeah, so far in the demo. It's just puzzled adventure The demo The demo only doesn't have puzzles. Maybe this one or two But it only takes you through like uh the explanation of how isn't it turtles one playing on screen Yeah, so it only takes you through the explanation of how he got there to that to Europa right from from planet earth And so he's there It mentions people but we have what but a demo doesn't show you people It's just inspired by himself and the voice of his dad kind of guiding him through through the That's cool. Yeah. Yeah, it does look good. And again, I think that basically everything here looks good I mean, there's some games that I'm like gameplay wise. I'm not particularly interested in but Everything looks quality and I really love that in the indie worlds unlike almost every other presentation They give most of the devs a spotlight to Introduce to themselves and show a little bit of their studio and say why they're so passionate about talking about the games And I think it gives it a much more personable touch that I really appreciate. So I thought this was a fantastic showcase. I agree. I agree Um, yeah, I think that Look, I I gave it like a C grade for myself Because there wasn't a ton of stuff in in there that like really interested me I mean this TMNT game that's being shown right now is one It literally looks like Hades. Yeah, it looks it looks really really good Kind of kind of surprised me. I know we could joke around. Oh a TMNT in an indie showcase Well, the studio is an indie studio So take that for what it is, but it looks it just looks phenomenal I thought Europa is just like a kind of an exploration casual puzzle Sort of game. It looked very interesting to me as well But for the most part a lot of the games really weren't for me But they did all look high quality And that's like how I judge things when I try to consider opinions about my own because I know a lot of people But like, oh, this was a D or an F and I'm like, well, look if there were no games for you on a personal level I can understand those grades But I always consider others so it's very hard for any presentation to ever get like a D or an F for me Yeah, because as long like nintendo I think in every indie world I've ever watched I've never watched away thinking that any of the games they show Were bad video games. They just might not be my particular taste Um, hey, because you gotta remember nintendo can show Billion it's like I saw some people saying that like this was shovelware. It ain't shovelware games So On the other hand, I think that some people are like Maybe a little bit disappointed in like some of these games being originated on apple arcade And I completely disagree with that. I think there's a lot of great games on apple arcade. I think We just haven't seen phone games by the way Yeah, no totally But I mean like I'm just glad that that TMNT game and stitch are leaving apple arcade Are not exclusivity because Now more people can play these games that are presumably very very good And for me the one specific one is sonic dream team I played last year. I think is one of the best 3d sonic games Dude for apple arcade. What is that game coming to other consoles? Holy shit? Listen, I'm very I'm very like critique of sonic because you know that just Just he always goes fast. But that one game that one game You know on apple tv that that one I love love. It's really good. It's yeah Yeah, yeah, I think too. I honestly like people are very hungry for Newer and bigger things from nintendo people are anxious about switch 2 people are anxious about the next general direct And you know like like you mentioned earlier in in this show It's it's been a while now since we've gotten like a big nintendo announcement. So I think Until we get that big direct or until we get that switch to reveal People are just going to be upset people are just going to be like this sucks So I think that's that's where we're at right now I mean look a lot of the negative reaction. I think for the and I'm actually Working on a video for this separate from my vg new stuff. I was supposed to go out today, but I just got too busy Talking about kind of the negativity that's happening in the online Nintendo fan space because I think a lot of us are just really anxious We've gone. I just mentioned earlier a long time that we've before since nintendo has announced an actual internal developed game Yeah, they got Metroid Prime 4 just floating out there forever People would like to know if that's going to come this year No confirmation that if that's going to be this year or not They we were all excited for the pokemon thing and then they announced a really exciting game pokemon legend za for 2025 So there's like nothing announced past june all the games we do get this year the best ones are ports and remasters Uh princess p to showtime underwhelmed a lot of people although it's a very specific game I just the specific audience that I think a lot of us just gave a chance Because we're desperate for something to play brand new that's exclusive to the platform So I was actually doing the math the other day between Warrior where move it and princess p to showtime is the longest gap between original nintendo published titles I think almost ever because even when you think about okay, we you had some gaps. There were still 3ds yeah, so That I think felt very interesting to me that specific gap between original titles because I didn't play marver stalking I didn't play um Another code, uh, which are I'm there. I've heard they're fine games But I'm always excited for that next thing Published by nintendo because I think they have a great track record. Obviously, I think we all agree with that And I was just like curious come on man. It's been a long time since a original game was published by nintendo It's been like what it's like four months at that point Yeah, I mean the so you have that going on Uh, the third party showcase was cool, but it didn't show like any like major Exciting something in the xbox analysis was ruining the most exciting, but that was all kind of already spoiled ahead of time Uh, so, you know, it wasn't shocking as as it might have been if microsoft didn't have to address it ahead of time and then Uh, you know and the social luminous is great. Uh, but again not developed by nintendo also extremely niche Uh, so nintendo doesn't seem very interested in promoting that game specifically By the time it comes out if there's not an attendant right to the next like nine days It will not it'll have never shown up in a main nintendo direct and and we were talking before the stream started I think that's basically the only one of the only times that nintendo has just never Advertised one of their games the only other examples we could think of were things from like more casual things like ring fit And then everybody went to switch. Um, but and the ocean I think deserves a bigger chance I've I've got the uh the two we games here just for a little prop comedy Um, and it would be really cool to see that be given a push and Unfortunately, it's landing at a time where a game like that should be A second game of its month that people are you know that there's a bunch of stuff other stuff coming out around it But it fills in a gap and it has the space to get uh advertised and made directs But because there's no big games coming up They're not having directs which means the smaller game can't be advertised to the bigger audience And I think it I think it's going to suffer because of that which is really really unfortunate Yeah, I I agree and I think I think examples like ring fit like they have a level of uh Of novelty to them because they have these really cool mechanics that you're seeing in the commercials form with people working out with that With the you know pilates ring and stuff like that to where they're probably able to get away with not doing a big Direct pushes with those and and people are still going to be curious and you know It's like again, it's such a novel idea that it's going to be the talk Whereas a game like endless ocean is super niche It doesn't have this weird quirky novelty and I I I think it's gonna uh Kind of go under the radar for a lot of people I think you could get away with doing twitter trailer drops for games like paper mario because people are going to share it and it's going to spread Um and get exposure Not so sure about endless ocean. So as someone who likes that series I I'm a little bit bummed that it's probably gonna uh slip through the cracks for most people Uh, you know, it's not a big loss, you know It's just It has to come to an end, you know, I mean they they drop the trailer It's called endless mic And the endless never ends But um, they uh, well they they release a trailer today, right? five-minute trailer and uh, they released it on their youtube channel and on twi-twix Uh about the game. So that's uh, that's I think that's promotion for them, right? Well, they're like they're promoting it. Yes, it's just not the same attention that it would get When you get millions and millions of views with all the youtubers and big And everyone co-streaming and showing it off like it's just not getting the exposure it normally would Yeah, I agree. I agree. Maybe it's because it's not that it's not that big of an ip It's just like a little niche. It's a small niche in the metroid. I mean, it's um, it's been an hour on on Nintendo it it only has six thousand views Yeah, so yeah, it's very very small niche at least, you know, the the small niche people right here I'm reading the comments. They're all super excited about the game. So Yeah, it has fans of the game that played it back on we it's just You know, again, it's a niche game and and I think like that lineup is what's making people just kind of Ultra critical of this of this indie world because again, yeah, we talked about how silk song wasn't there And we know it's coming. It's been rated at a bunch of places. It's clearly coming out this year at this point When they want to show it, I don't know. Maybe they decided to show it at their own showcase Maybe they said do their own thing Maybe they're partnering. Maybe they already have a plan and they've already partnered with uh, jeff kealy to do I think that's most likely a bigger a big summer game fest drop at that effect That's possible as well. You know, jeff kealy would love to have that game There's so much anticipation for it jeff has actually been making a lot of efforts recently to have More premiere indie creators be featured at his showcases. If you remember the game awards last year We got the next game from house house who made untitled goose game called big walk We got world of goo 2 from tomorrow corporation. We got the next Game from the guy who made inscription and the next game for the people who made dead cells Like he knows the audience for these games Flocks to this and putting those games on a bigger stage I think obviously only benefits them and team cherry knows that they are one of the ones that people Are looking forward to and are interested in the most I mean every single showcase whether that's xbox or the triple i showcase or an intended direct or third part The partner showcase or an indie showcase They could show up anywhere But I think that they know that they obviously have taken the time and they can be on the biggest stage possible And jeff also knows that I think that there's a connection there that is going to happen I also think talk to jeff about and this ocean I also think I have to go back. I have to go back and look I didn't I should do this before the show Um, do you guys remember when they announced it for xbox and they said all the games? Uh, yeah, we're showing it out coming out in the next 12 months. Yep Well, didn't they also say all the games we had shown right now. We're gonna be on game pass Because okay, so if it's gonna be on game pass, I wonder if there's a marketing exclusivity right there Where we're actually not going to see it till that xbox showcase. It's happening right after summer game pass as well And they might because again to be on game pass microsoft gave them money So, uh, there could be in return. We are the ones that get to market this game It still releases on all platforms same time, but we want to market it So it also could just be this wasn't an xbox event. It's going to be on game pass So that's maybe when we should expect it as well. And again, that's happening I think three days after four days after something summer game fest events part of that whole week Of summer game fest stuff. So yeah Um, that could also be when why we haven't seen it and why it wasn't here And I think nintendo fans get anxious about that because We haven't seen nintendo related showing of this since 2019. Yeah, of course Yeah, so like oh xbox. Oh playstation confirmed. It's coming to playstation too. Okay cool It's confirmed over here. Oh xbox is the last one to actually show the game And now and that literally could just be why I one thing I do want to say is that the people that are getting really Upset about this one if you're mad at nintendo, it's not nintendo didn't get to decide whether the game was shown or not Just to be very clear If cherry came to them and said we want to show our game nintendo would have put it in the showcase But what I because then they probably would have kicked it off with steam world heist too and then ended it with with that game That probably would have been Yeah, how the nintendo would have handled that but what I will say is That what I have seen online that's really bothering me about the silk song situation is people going after team cherry Yeah, and that needs to stop. These are just three people guys Yeah that are putting everything into this game their first game got way bigger than they ever thought it was going to be Uh, and so they probably wanted to go bigger and better than ever with a sequel because hey look We made all this money. We want to put it back into the game And problem with doing that is they could have bit off so much more that they could choose so many crazy ideas that that just Was even beyond their capabilities. That's why it took so much longer to develop in addition to covid and everything So it's one of those things that like I know we always want our games now I get it and I get that they announced the game shortly after the first one came out That was maybe a mistake in hindsight But I I do think that we need to be more understanding that this is a small indie studio if this game flops That's the end of the studio. That is it So they can't have it flop. So let them Do what they think they need to do to deliver the highest quality product They can if that meant they had to take microsoft money money because they were hurting for funding A couple of years ago and they were worried about getting to the finish line and the microsoft was like Hey, we'll give you some money. Put this thing on game pass day one and they're like, thank you Yes, and that allowed them to get to where they are now Let's let them show the game. It's going to happen at some point It's been submitted to rating boards for those who don't know what that means because people always are like, well, that doesn't mean anything You can't submit a game that isn't content complete to ratings boards because they have to go through your content Now you are supposed to submit your worst content Uh to them for the rate the one I say worst like the content that's going to get rated You know higher up but the point is you got to be content complete to even submit to the rating board So that doesn't mean the game is done, but it's content complete, which means it's probably coming at some point this year so Be a little nicer to some especially these small students I get being really mean to ubisoft and some of the bad management decisions and stuff Ubisoft whatever give me mean to me be a dick to me but These small developers where the world literal livelihood depends on if this game does well Let's maybe just chill a little bit They they already know they're feeling the pressure. You you think nintendo's feeling the pressure they're Really feeling the pressure well, especially because silk song is quietly not quietly. It's loudly become like Oh, hey, it's on dress restart. Welcome to the show everyone Ladies and gentlemen Part of the show industry start, uh I was saying I was you have arrived silk song has become like the next uh Half-life three or like Or like the next smash game of like people just like where's this game? Where's this game? It's gonna be one of the biggest games of all time always people asking about it, which is Not is not the devs fault and they're just overwhelmed Sure So, uh, andris, how you feeling about that indie world? Let's get you let's get you away from the miami heat losing me. No Oh, look at him. Sorry that you probably got to face the Celtics round one now First off, I just wanted to get rest. I'm just pissed at kelly uber a kick jimmy butler in the knee And was hobbled after the game like like after that it always happens being a baby subject I am not About to win the eight seed and I thought you were gonna say I am not a baby Andris the difference between the one Whoa, Nate, let me just say this the in the west the difference between the one seed and the 10 seed Is a smaller gap than the difference between the one seed and the two seed in the east Celtics have been Okay, that that that's that's cute and everything we could talk about their record against playoff teams Because it's not actually that impressive I think they're like against the top three seeds. They're 10 and three Go acres, but but listen listen Here's what I here's what i'm gonna say. Do you just got to look at it like this andris? You're gonna probably win the eight seed because I don't know how miami's gonna lose to those two It was a good game. Honestly. It was a good game could have gone either way And and I think the 76ers are gonna bounce the next anyways, but What I find fascinating Is you have the chance to do what you did last year Consensus best team in the NBA eliminate them round one, baby get those Celtics out of the playoffs That's funny and then lose again I'm just saying get them out of here dude that zone defense you guys were playing was sick That was a sick defense. That was crazy. It wasn't a two three. It wasn't a boxing one. It wasn't a one Uh, I don't know what the hell it was, but it was I've never seen a zone defense like that. That was insane Well, I'm glad you enjoyed the game. Well, I'm I didn't care who won You could just I gotta worry about I gotta worry about not having Yanis and losing to the pacer So, but we definitely didn't lose the game because of Tyler hero though Anyway, anyways, uh, what do you think of the indie world man? Yeah, that was cool. Um, I'm actually curious about the Europa game Um, that looks pretty fun Let me like honestly ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, the the cat quest game looks like a fun co-op game as well Right. Yeah. Did you play? Did you play the first two? No, oh, I see they're really fun And they're going sale for cheap on the e-shop all the time. I recommend them. You can beat them like a day or two It's nice to have the apple store. Cool Cool. Cool. Oh, I see that's pretty cheap. Yeah Um, yeah, but that that's that's pretty much it. I mean it was an indie world There'll be a couple small games that are kind of interesting Hey, we actually saw some switch gameplay for another crabs treasure It definitely looked worse than from the partner showcase, but um, you know, I'm still hyped for the game So, yeah, yeah, that's it. I don't got much else to say That it was neat Was there anything on there you would actually buy andre's or actually play? I mentioned Europa Europa looks cool. I'm gonna play the demo. Uh, oh, okay So you would actually buy that We'll see how I feel after I play the demo. See I called it. I was like andre's wouldn't wouldn't buy anything Andre, andre, I play let me read the review. Hold on Oh We're good Andres, you're the type of player that like really likes the AAA games more No, I buy it. I play indie games Unless they're like bigger. I was playing a short hike a couple days ago. You are such a good game Oh, I love that game so much I haven't played that. Yeah, it's really really good. So less is all my favorite running favorite indie games love celeste I like celeste too. Yeah Yeah, I was talking about my stream. I'm a huge fan of shinin It's funny. We're talking about hollow knight a lot celeste. I feel like is just like the platforming parts of hollow knight Oh, yeah The last plus combat. I need to play hollow knight I have not played hollow knight the first one yet neither. Yeah That game's gorgeous on the OLED The hollow knight's like hollow knight's great. It's great. If you like metroidvania games hollow knight's amazing Hey, quick question of here in the panel who here thinks tears of the kingdom was a mistake Ah Whoa, why don't we you cut out for a second? I didn't hear what he said. Yeah, wait a second. Wait a second. Whoa Them guys I missed your question Oh, who here thinks tears of the kingdom is a mistake. I think part of it is Wait, what wait? I'll just I'll just hold on set the stage. Why are you asking this question? Oh, you already know I'm asking this question Because someone on here thinks that no, just just think about it really Someone here does who is the someone because I Mike just said I kind of I kind of think I know but I don't take it. I he said kind of I think it's a mistake that the game does not have the OC Oh sure That's a completely different question. Yeah Yeah, uh, yeah, I mean there's there's there's things I could have done to improve the game All right, here we go because I mean, all right What's the game a mistake like should it not even exist? Mike? No, no, I never do that's like the best All right, that's the one year from 2023. Basically. I'm low-key looking for someone for my next heated debate Oh My synapse is going to connect there. But yeah, that's why I told you you should know because I was demon you Yeah, I couldn't think of a Then you should uh Maybe maybe take a different angle. Maybe take the dlc versus not dlc angle. You'll find tons of creators I think it's just dlc or or You take that like for example right now. Yeah, uh breath it out and here's the kingdom or copy each other, right? It's like dlc Yeah, yeah, that's what I just said the dlc angle like that that would be that would be one you've easily Well, okay, who here thinks tears of the kingdom is basically just dlc I think we're always I don't know if anyone on this show It's very repetitive and it's it shows a lot of the same kind of things from breath of the wild For example, the towers are replaced by something else, but they're still towers The the shrines are replaced by something else, but there's still the same kind of Sting, you know, all right. All right. All right, think about this and hit me up Right now this is for Are you are you happy with how how I performed on this? I think it It was a quick discussion. They got 3,500 views and it's still growing. It was a metroid topic And people aren't shitting on me too bad. I thought they'd show me hardcore for taking about the negative side I think someone called you a hobbit and I thought it was a compliment at first. No, that was not a compliment. I I Actually, I think people are pretty overall. Um, I was actually By how well received it was so yeah, it's not done. Yeah Yeah, all right. All right. So I wasn't calling you a hobbit just for the record I know you were And I was like, I wonder what Andres thinks about that comment now. I know you thought it was a compliment at first I hearted it. I thought it was cool. I know I was like, oh my god. He's I didn't realize it was a dig at you. I didn't realize it at first. I was like, wait a minute Hobbit are smart and then that was like one of the few negative comments that was Andres was like, hell yeah, Tolkien dude. Yeah Real But so what are we supposed to be talking about in the world reactions thoughts, etc? Yeah, I told you what I thought I thought it was neat How would you grade it? Let's go around how would we grade it with a the north american grading scale Where's that one? I can't grade it on the level or abcdf I can't grade on the level of you know, a direct because it's not a direct it just Oh, yeah, yeah, you're grading it on level of it in. Yeah. So based off that I would say there's a couple games I want to give it a try. I will give it like it's like a c plus it at worst I'll I'll just settle with a b and just try not to be a negative Nancy about it. Yeah Yeah, I just give it a c but I don't think a c is bad I didn't I didn't yeah, I mean that's it's far for the course Let's debate that maybe maybe c is more fair than b. Maybe I'm being too optimistic But but I think I think I'm a harsh grader. I don't know. Yeah I personally I would I would go in a I thought almost everything And I think that the quality level would across the board was just a lot higher than some previous ones And so I was actually pretty surprised that I was like, hey like 75 of the games here I want to try which is like an unheard of level It didn't bore me or anything like that. So that's good. Yeah. Yeah, what makes you I Compared to other indie worlds. I give it an A Yeah, sure Compared to I'm like like grading it against other indie worlds in the past not against partner showcases Or internal directs just on it in its own category. I feel like it's an A None of the games were boring at all. They were all intriguing in a way, right? I don't want to play all of them But there's some games I wanted to play and then I think the audience overall and others at least in my chat They were pretty okay with that with with The game lineup and at the end when we didn't see the haul hauling silk song. Yes, some of them were upset, but but the majority Were okay with the game they showed so you know yeah, I Rating it as an indie world. I actually really enjoyed this one. I'm going to give it a B Um, I think there was something there for everyone. Like I said earlier. We had the platformers We had the puzzle games. We had the open world adventure games. We had the metroidvania There was something for everyone. Um, I'm interested. Nothing wowed me. Nothing blew my mind, but there's a handful of things that I'm at least If I'm not ready to just try it I'm interested in seeing more and seeing if maybe maybe it's game for me No far no farming sims automatic D. Well, that's actually true I mean there are some types of games that were used to seeing show up and all this stuff that Yeah, I think I felt very different I mean games like shim and stitch are like those aren't games you I never said I mean there's not games like that So it's just very interesting that they were able to Grab some unique stuff and I mean people don't really make you games like steam of heist. I mean that kind of sure Oh, yeah, it's like the worms Yeah, yeah, almost. Yeah I'm seeing some comments here in the chat that are like, hey, just be honest. It's okay to have an opinion Yeah, okay. My opinion was that was great. I'm excited about the games I'm not my opinion is that your opinion is wrong Hey heated debate Oh, let's go your opinion on this is that you're wrong this any world you're wrong There was I also think I also think t.m. And t knocked it up a couple a point Just because t.m. And t's Seemed interesting Oh, no, but this game though this game though. I actually liked it. You scared me I don't worry a wario game actually that game looks awesome. Oh this game too. I forgot about this This feels like a sequel to a short hike Oh Your frog though your frog and you're like just climbing around when oh the frog or game too, actually Here's an interesting comparison. Actually this game looks right as well. I think Oh, yeah, these are yeah, absolutely. I mean sign on the wild hearts one of the best games on switch Um, but I don't know if any of you guys have ever played the game a story about my uncle But that is very similar to valley peaks. It's a first person like grappling hook platformer I love that game. But this game also has a you know, art the short hike art style like andres was saying What did your uncle make? What what's your? Are you asking what the name of the game is or you trying to make a joke can't tell She's talking something about your uncle jack quest three. Here we go. There's a game All right that I played on steam and i'm sure It's called a story about my uncle. That's the name of the game. I thought it was a great game I played it like that. Have you played a story about my cousin? I Literally thought you were recommending a game That game the game where um the personality test was is actually really intriguing to the one that you kind of looks so cool Great color palette on that one The robot who lost its creator because he died and all of a sudden she's on her own She has to discover her herself and try to make their her choices and then you have Um, depending on the choices you make throughout the throughout the history you end up being Oh, whether like a like there's like 15 characters. They either Adventure or a doctor or whatever, you know, and you don't get you don't choose at the end what you be But depending on the choices you make You're you're kind of a guide towards a certain path, which is really cool. You know, it's like Yeah, conceptually I like it gameplay wise. I didn't like like I I think the idea behind it's cool But the gameplay didn't grab me Well, I disagree I I grabbed me I disagree with your disagreement It's my opinion and it is Shut up. Oh, I'm so heated right now. All right. Let's get mad personality Personality test game debate Yeah, there you go. That's the million view video Yeah, yeah, all right. It is it. I I agree though. I'm not I'm not trying to poo on poo on this Like I think it's a really really like interesting concept But I am being serious though the gameplay personally for me Didn't grab me like I I don't see myself buying the game even though I was like, oh, that's a cool idea Like unless I see it for like 99 cents, I'm probably not gonna buy sure this podcast is sponsored by aura secure your privacy And identity today with a 14 day trial and it helps support the channel Check out the http period period That's a cool I don't know what is going on with you Mike Hire him now Mike, how many should you pay for this? I don't need anything if people don't sign up. I'm gonna pay by the word. So that's why I'm like reading everything Dude, when you don't know you just make it up Yeah, I know what I'm getting paid. It's first. It's found a first sign up. It's a 14 day Free trial by the way is protect your identity today Uh, and here I'll drop it in the chat as well. 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It's okay. No one's stealing your peacock. No Peacock, you know, let me spread my wings and fly I love that movie. Anyways, um, let's get to do our next topic. Uh, because Look Things are a little weird with nintendo right now. We kind of touched on it a little bit Uh, during the whole indie world thing like hey, we're on this really long gap between general nintendo directs The longest gap we've had outside of the 2020 covid year Uh, during the switch era. It's the longest gap we've had between general directs It's like seven months or something at this point, which is insane Um on top of that, obviously, there's nothing big coming out past june You can argue whether any of the games coming out so far this year are big or not That's going to be very subjective lots of ports and remasters and uh, two brand new games technically was printed speech So time endless ocean luminous Um, also news came out this week that nintendo is not attending gamescom Even though they did attend it last year, uh, where while they didn't have a whole bunch of public demos They were demoing Super mario wonder behind the scenes and obviously we know what the switch to stuff, but Specific for switch They were demoing super mario wonder behind the scenes to media So they could put out previews and do all that stuff And nintendo, you know, their reasoning to not be there this year is basically well when considering our entire slate of whatever Or just it doesn't make sense to do it this year, which makes a lot of people feel like Oh, nintendo has no big game like a mario wonder coming this year. I had a thought on that Yeah, we'll get to that thought in a moment Um Yeah, I thought right now. Let's actually do it because this has to do with nintendo's 2024 game plan I'll talk about my my theory later with switch to related to this, but let's let's get to this What are your thoughts on this hunders? Um, so yeah, actually I talked a little bit about in my in my video today, um, which specifically the gamescom thing Um, like some people are kind of wondering. Oh is nintendo mad about the gamescom week Because that's where we got like the the matrix demo and the breath of law 4k 16 quick loading demo supposedly um, and I thought about it Maybe nintendo is mad about that But I don't think that would stop them from going that might stop them from Yeah, they might not switch to stuff there, but they just won't switch like they did mario wonder They'll do the official things. Yeah, right. Yeah, they're on the record things, right? Like the mario wonder Um, I believe pickman foreign tears of the kingdom were there as well Yes, um, and so I thought about it those three games Are more the three big new games for last year. Yeah, so if nintendo's not going to have a gamescom this year And we kind of think about it now. We don't have a big may game like tears of the kingdom, right? There's no nintendo live announced yet either. No, um, but we also don't have a There's still time for that but way more time There's still time But the point I'm making is that you know by this point last year We at least we we at least knew about tears of the kingdom and pickman 4 Right, we don't have games like that this year that we know about And so what I'm thinking is Maybe there's just not as many big new nintendo games like those three from last year Maybe there's one maybe there's even two but there's just not enough for them to feel that it's warranted to be a gamescom Yeah, so here's an interesting question actually Yeah, would we they're not going to have no games for the rest of the year There are going to be some it might be more remakes. It might be collections It might be things like like the um, like the zelda remakes or something It could literally be just like the first half of this year. Yeah, exactly. Yeah A couple smaller new games some remakes and collections whatever now the question I want to ask is Do you think you would prefer if nintendo showed up to things like gamescom and had a nintendo live with that slate of games Or if they didn't go at all and because I draw into comparison some of the later years of wii u where They would show up at a conference and they would just have like You know curbie's epic extra epic yarn and like mario tennis ultra smash and like a couple of Small things as all that they had because it was like all the games that were coming out but the fact that they Still went and only had smaller things gave people a very negative Perception of nintendo at that time like wow like it's just you know, these small crappy games like that's all you can bring I think that if they had not gone in those years that they that obviously wouldn't really matter too much in the long run But the negative sentiment I think would have been quelled a little bit if they realized like We should only go to these things when people are going to react positively to them And I think that might be the case this year There's gotta be some games But I think that people might not react positively if they show up and it's just Some collections and smaller games and stuff. What do you guys think about? I I agree with that sentiment um, but that also is Exactly what people are actually not happy with is that that's a good point a lot like look I understand folks and I see some of the comments in the chat like yes Nintendo's had like a game every single month Multiple games like there's not a month the game technically this month Exclusive, but we got two two next month. I kind of mix up for it Uh, I understand that But none of these games are like bumping system sales and stopping the downtrend in sales Um, none of it. None of these games are selling like like launching. You're not hearing things from nintendo like, oh This is a record I think that at this point man like if you haven't been tempted by The game library at this point at some with any of the releases that have You're not buying a switch, of course No, I I hear what you're saying But the thing is like you could say that switch is still selling and it's still selling better than xbox So it's still appealing and still reaching new consumers that are buying switches for the first time today I think what we have to remember when we're talking about this is the general consumer base doesn't pay attention like we do We know about all these games and all the great value and stuff the reasons you should buy a switch My grandmother has no idea what the hell's on it. She doesn't know I asked the new zelda game your grandma probably still wouldn't give a no no no no no no no no I'm not here. You kid. This is what happens My point is that my grandmother as an example bought a switch recently brand new for my For my third cousin or whatever because they're they're not like five years old and ready to play games My argument the people buying switches would be like people with kids that are getting to be in that age Switch has been out. Well, I think that's a pretty gross generalization People that weren't alive when the switch came out that are now old enough to start gaming So of course it's going to sell stuff when it's one of the biggest systems out there But I don't think what games they released this year is going to be what convinces anyone to buy them It's going to be it's not going to be like, oh, I wasn't going to buy a switch But now because there's a new mario game I'm going to buy one But I didn't want to buy one when the first so your argument is that big games won't sell more units anymore I don't think so. I think and I think nintendo knows that So we didn't we didn't get a boost in sales that led to 2023 summer Outselling 2022 summer because tears of the kingdom came out. Well, sure that that's That's a big game selling system. Yeah, but also a lot of those sales were the special edition Sure. Yeah, I understand that those are those are double dippers I also think I like to like be mad that they're just doing like Like the entire switch life cycle people are like add these games like add this system to nintendo online Like do these collections and then the final year when they're like, okay Like we don't really need to release any new games or we want to make switch twos lineup launch lineup awesome So we're going to save some stuff And and we're giving you all the collections and remasters you you've asked for this whole time We're like, all right. This is your year. We're going to give you everything that you wanted people are like, ah They're just giving us remasters and collections. What the hell? And it's like no wonder nintendo doesn't listen to people because they say they want one thing and they don't really Appreciate it. Well for starters listening to the internet is always a silly thing They're consumer based is so much bigger than any of these individual websites communities Yeah I think look at like twitter discourse and stuff like that if it's like trending and it's it has enough numbers There's more there's like more more people using nintendo switches every month than are using twitter every month Like the active user base. Yeah, nintendo has like 120 million active users Twitter has like 500 million users, but they only have like 100 million active every month So like nintendo's community. I don't think they're worried about twitter reactions I think they're basing their releases On on a couple of things. We're we're seeing as an example Why is paper mario the thousand year door and mario rpg coming back? Look at the polls. They're sending out to the user base They're trying to gauge interest in mario rpg style games to make future development decisions Probably for switch 2 and you're seeing that in in the So like I think a lot of it isn't so much. Oh, we're trying to cater to fans I think it's we're trying to decide if people actually want to buy this stuff So, yeah, we agree. They they sail that's the yeah, of course So I don't think it's a chance to me fans are demanding the wind waker and twilight princess for the last five years We still don't have it So like they're not listening per se to everything They're just trying to gauge what they think will increase sales because the wind waker and twilight princess aren't going to affect the other It's not just increased sales. They also don't want to hurt sales of their own franchises Like they wouldn't want like less people to buy You know Whatever came out like a couple months after tears of the kingdom By like releasing it at the same time. You know what I mean? Like yeah, I agree So they wouldn't want to win four like a week after tears of the kingdom. They waited two months Yeah, exactly. And they like space up out like that. So that's also part of it When they're releasing like a zelda thing they're trying to every year They don't want to release too much and take away sales from one thing because zelda fans like this zelda thing more And then split the fan base Thus splitting the sales they would rather Release it in ways where People will buy both um I think that's true. Yeah, I mean that was actually explicitly a problem with uh with Um martin rabbit sparks of hope not saying that those two games are released close together But there's actually some research that shows that people are more likely to buy Similar games on separate systems if they only come once a generation and I think that Obviously, that's a more extreme version of what daddy got. I almost called you Yeah Someone turn the heat down please I I'm not gonna make fun of you for it because you were backing me up, but like yeah, I'm not like saying Or like every For like every game that's like a huge thing. I'm just saying it's one of the many factors Yeah, look, I I think a lot of um And I'm not I'm trying to actually look at this more as less like a content creator thing because I could complain about We don't have anything to talk about and that's fine What I actually am looking at though, it's like a switch on like right now I'm spending a hell of a lot more time playing games on other platforms Which is cool because I own other platforms and I can do that. So as a gamer, I have my xbox. Yeah I still have your xbox. I mean I'm like I'm satisfied like I'm satisfied as a gamer because I have other options to play things But I kept thinking like, you know, if I only had a switchers like my fiance She doesn't play games like anything else. Now. She only plays switch Well, look, she has nothing right now coming out that even interests her Uh to even to even touch right now So she still just keeps playing tears of the kingdom because you got nothing else to play and she's even said Hey, uh, when's the next uh warriors game coming out? I'm like, uh, there isn't one announced. Sorry Uh, okay. Once the next fire. I'm I'm coming out. Yeah Engaged was last year and Yeah, you might we might get something or right now. No, there's nothing We don't know. Uh, and so she's like, you know, I you guys talk about metro prime four on the podcast all the time When's that coming? I'm like, dad, that's the million dollar question. Yeah We don't know. I don't have answers for you. I did this is like tell her play thousand year door I'm gonna see if I can get her to try it. But I actually made a haver play origami king first Yeah, no, she'll never play bear mario again. I will say that one of the reasons I think that She's not as harsh on games as we are jay We're gonna keep Battles in an rpg game that do nothing Like in terms of like leveling up or your progression or anything. They're pointless Yeah, that's the only the only the only flaw I found about the game But I actually like the the game when it's our casualness. What's a casual game? You can have a casual rpg and still like have some Aspects of the battles mean something Yeah, I know you play pokemon. So I guess I get it Just lose all motivation. I wasn't saying that as an insult Like even pokemon has like that basic Ness to it. So yeah Um, all right, so can I say that the connector that's a question? Um the question for the uh Say another year. Yeah. All right. So I I Am on the side. Okay. So let's go let's go ahead and say nintendo nintendo switch To first quarter of 2025. Okay. Let's say march of 2025 Um, I I still think nintendo has production nintendo has uh really good first thing It's still it's still falls within the fist this fiscal year Yeah, we can say hey nintendo switch 2 is still this fiscal year right and nintendo's year whatever But um, I still think that the second half of the year is going to be better better than the first half of the year All right, first, I think metroid is coming out this year metroid part four I'm gonna jump on it. I'll say about this year Whether it's gonna be in this nintendo direct because I have to believe that in the next couple of weeks There's the nintendo direct Um, or in its own metroid nintendo direct Okay, where are we gonna get the two and three hd and then um, they'll they'll do like a little tree house metroid And metroid the entire year that'll be a big game of the year or the that I will see that I've always called it to run from for the breath of the wild of We use switch It could be a game that's kind of you know goes On both systems when you when we see it on switch 2 it's going to be leaving Crazier looking nicely, you know better, but um That happens we might get other ports like While that princess wind waker not ruling that out, you know I'm not ruling anything out this year when it comes to video games But I do think that the first half the second half Will be better than the first half. I do believe And and I'm saying this because if you go to my channel go to the search Just type brand new switch New switch just type that You'll find videos and where I cover. Hey, there's a brand new switch patent. It's the same exact with oled patent That we have now, but guess what there's a rather there's a little pattern here every time Actual patent for it all that is because an addition is coming out And right before the addition that I mean right before that oled That pattern really really the video releases nintendo about a month or two months later They launched a new oled a new oled edition I think this year we're getting a brand new oled edition or metroid because that's gonna be That's gonna be the the oled edition of the year nintendo almost every year has given us one oled edition like a like a You know like a branded edition. We had this for June. We got the pokemon edition We have the red mario edition oled although we got it twice we got for the base model and for the for the oled Only only the oled one has the little coins in the back and it has a little mario silhouette Um, but then this year. I think that's where nintendo is headed. I think it's a metroid year I think we'll get that switch oled metroid edition Hopefully two and three. Maybe uh wind waker. I'm not sure if it's why that princess Yeah, um twilight princess is kind of it's the kind of game that you want to see on switch two It's because it's you know when it comes to the graphics nintendo can do more with that game Um graphic wise then they can do with wind waker, which is cartoonish, right? Um, and I think it will be a more impressive game to kind of compare between the hd version and the 4k version of it for switch two Um, and so maybe wind waker and then a couple other smaller games here and there Um, but yeah, that's what I think is happening for the rest Second half of the year and I think it's gonna be a good one. I think I think when metroid 4 I'll be fine. I'll be fine for the rest of the year Um, you know if the rumors are true the quality of the game how big it is now A multiplayer and all that all that stuff all those rumors if they're true Then I see a big year for metroid this year and and I can go even as far as saying I know that's the it's a hot topic of hot topics This could be the breath of the wild the metroid, you know the the game the game that literally Makes metroid, you know Break that three million sales That they can't get out of you know the you know away from that at least five six, maybe ten. No, who knows 50 million 50 million how to do that the pinky 50 yeah, I Yeah, I kind of I I somewhat agree with with with mike I do think that the second half of the year is going to have some nice Nice little surprises. Obviously. I don't think we're going to get anything At the caliber of tears of the kingdom or mario wonder it at least as far as mainstream sales I don't think there's going to be anything that big Um, I I do think there's a possibility of prime 4 and I think it would as you said Like there's a chance they could do a prime 4 oled which would be totally rad Metallic orange make it look pretty unique and cool I think that would that would be really sick to see um But again, like this is this is something I've I've mentioned on my my channel a lot over the last year is that Nintendo's Nintendo's a different company now and like I feel like a lot of people Are looking at the transition to their next console the same way they looked at you know previous transitions I got new leadership now this you know Uh, uh Iwata was kind of the vision behind switch before Um, unfortunately, he he passed away, but we're going to be Our new president, uh shintaro furukawa is going to be leading Nintendo into a new era with his vision So I I imagine the approach is not going to be Um the same as we've seen before I think there's going to be unique vision I think that's going to play into this weird transition period that we're going into the times that we're expecting Oh, this is when they typically do this. This is when they they have their directs and their mini directs and whatnot um I don't know. I I just feel like people should expect the unexpected Going forward. I mean something even as subtle as they changed the day that they released their games on And I mean things have shifted to fridays now, uh, or no, wait, sorry, which one is I can't remember But it's it's one of the two it changed Thursdays Yeah, but like I was just gonna say in in with regards to to switch to like a lot of the rumblings that have been uh coming out about people talking about What the console is It's largely been iterative. It's the switch again But a better screen a bigger screen more powerful. It's got dlss. It's got the the 4k upscaling Ray tracing that's been a consistent rumor That's been going around and that is nothing like what we've seen from The wee era of it's not blue ocean strategy, which yeah, you want a pioneered. That's red ocean But after that hybrid handhelds are a dime a dozen now There's rumors that xbox might be jumping into it So if nintendo is indeed making an iterative version of the switch, they're doing a switch too They need a damn good lineup to get people because they got magic in a bottle And andre said use that term in your video today. I checked out but magic in the bottle was the perfect term for switch They are not magic in the ball. Sorry lightning in a bottle. I think it's lightning in a bottle for we Yeah, for we sure. Yeah, but but but but that but that's what it was for for switch as well And in order to do that, I think they saw how impactful it was having breath of the wild and Super mario odyssey within the launch year of the switch. Yeah, they know that their next console Whether it's a Mario Kart or whether it's a new idea. It's going to live or die From its lineup and that first year is crucial So if they're going through a long transition and we get a little bit weaker titles I ultimately think it's so that switch two has a better opportunity of success in its launch But it probably means those first 12 to 18 months of switch two are going to be freaking awesome to be honest Yeah, I agree my problem. I agree to a point with what you're saying Because I can say this now if you don't know, I think Nate and andre know I worked for apple apple corporate for 10 years I just stopped working for them recently Um, and so I know all we have the behind the scenes stuff of how it worked and how and why things how they are now Apple's the first trillion dollar company in the world This happened when tim kope came in because he is a money guy. He's a finance guy. He he takes he takes Doesn't take leaps like steve jobs used to do. He takes steps He takes he takes a phone and you can tell that the this iphone looks like last years Although something a little different, but I guess what this iphone Um, doesn't look like the same as five or ten years ago because that's what you see a difference I think that um Furukawa is that same exact Type of ceo. He's looking at the numbers. He's looking at at at how he can he take Nintendo into that stratosphere and to that trillion dollar company that i'm pretty sure they're gonna go Can you imagine they're gonna get to they release a new switch every year? That was just an increase Jesus christ upgrade Every two years. I see it happening like every two years for a system. I can see that happening It's very it's very very possible if they take that mentality of giving you Um, gradual iterates if they keep the switch branding That's a very big possibility that we just get the switch to switch 2.5 switch three So it's you know, whatever whatever, you know and then not only that but he's looking outside of nintendo He's looking at theme parks. You're looking at movies And so he's right He's looking at he's looking at how he can increase the revenue of the company to keep it alive Even even during a bad system year. They can rely on the movies. They can rely on theme parks There's so much going on Nintendo That um, that's where they're going and and if you look at Apple is a perfect example of what you know people are like, oh that that's that's the same exact phone as last year But still become the number one phone phone because yeah, people are familiar with it They just they just better something that people wanted from the previous phone And so what exactly what you were saying what they could do with the nintendo switch if people want a better screen People want a better battery life. People want higher resolutions. That's all they need to do Like in the bottle nintendo switch just perfected the form factor They gave us the portable and and they gave us the dock in one You know and so the the switch is the first system in the entire History of the nintendo world they can just focus on that one system and bring up more games back to back That's what we've been giving we've been eating well for the past seven years for nintendo switch It's because they haven't been Producing for our 3ds and a Wii U or an nintendo 3d. Oh, and you know what I mean? It's been was one that one console and all they have to do is just perfect it you just continue to build upon it and switch to switch three switch four and just Continue to to you know build upon that They what they already know is successful and I think the president of nintendo now knows that he's not he's not a risk taker He he wants to make sure nintendo maintains that. Yeah, no I I 100% agree with you there. I don't know that like again. We're going into uncharted waters the New leadership new vision for the company. It's totally possible. It's called switch to I have a hard time visualizing that As a lifelong nintendo fan. They've always, you know Can't come up with that. I don't I'm not on that board though. I'm calling switch to now I don't want switch to I wanted I don't want switch to either and i'm saying I like I don't think it would be that But we don't we don't know it's a new vision for the company But I agree with you in my video nintendo is not the same company it used to be I talk about the theme parks the movies the possible tv shows all the things that kind of go against what nintendo has been or stood for It's a lot of change and most of it in my opinion for the better I I look at most of these changes as huge positives But I do think If they do decide to just go iterative I think the software and nintendo, you know switch The software that that's come to the switch is unbelievable It's become my favorite nintendo console because the lineup is so massive and so high quality But I think If it is iterative now more than ever software is going to be super important, especially those first two years For for the console success because I don't I feel like if they don't have Within the first 18 months that killer app that every whether it's mario kart 9 or Or 10 or marco x whatever they call it or it's the next big 3d mario Whatever it is marco bridge that's gonna be like I have to have switched to Um I think it's going to be tough if it's just iterative Because the nintendo fans like as much as much as uh, you know, we love nintendo consoles and we love power You know, there's a lot of kids playing who might not necessarily feel the need need to upgrade You know, so I my daughter my daughters are super happy with the first lights. They they What no, yeah, absolutely playing their cozy games and i'm crossing they they still play and i'm crossing because it came out and you know so Yeah, I agree, but I do believe that nintendo has actually perfected there when you talk about software Um, they reached the the point where microsoft has has been since the first xbox since they run microsoft Windows on xbox and that's why they're being able to to do backwards compatibility all the way back from the first console to now My on nintendo is actually, um in the words of miyamoto. He's at they actually They're out in a place where it's easier now to actually build Everything they built forward is still compatible with what's behind it And so in a way, yeah, we can now know that Moving forward from the switch and up everything could be backwards compatible Just because now they're building on the same exact software. This would you know incremental upgrades so I I've had this theory And I've had it since the gamescom announcement um No matter what nintendo does. I think the second half of this year is just going to be light I don't think there's going to be a big Massive holiday game a lot supports and remasters um, maybe maybe some other stuff in between but what I Are you are you getting a prime for this year? Is that what you just yeah? I don't think prime four is coming out this year. So do you now think it's a launch window switch to game? I don't know. I I do not know yet. I will let you know. I'm making the claim yet But let me get to what I what I'm thinking here. So look, um, I know that rumors are just rumors, right? And rumors are They're not facts. So you're supposed to be very skeptical, but There's something that happened that made me start to really rethink some stuff And and it was kind of related to the gamescom announcement also kind of related to This indie world because if you guys remember there was that whole Ph brazil guy who said hey, there's supposed to be an indie world before direct and everything and That sounds interesting But what I actually am thinking and and this is just I'm thinking this out loud Say what you want to say space here No, no, no, no, but is He said that right and there's all oh well We had this indie world. So now we're gonna have a direct and then hey, he said oh, so it should be revealed in june Maybe it gets revealed in july Nate the hate came out and said something very fascinating about this indie world over on family boards Because ph brazil claimed that what he was told about the indie world was supposed to happen before Gdc Nate the hate literally just outright disagreed with him and just said he's wrong and the indie world was always planned for april It wasn't moved. It wasn't pushed back. It literally was april this entire time now If you want to go off, Nate the hate He said that we were supposed to have the system revealed in march before it was delayed internally, okay? Yeah, so the plan obviously according to him at least from what he's now laying out Is that it was supposed to be revealed in march and indie world in april and who knows what after right? Because he's basically trying to call calm people down who think because the indie world happened a direct is coming He's saying that it's not happening and he's Always been one of those people that has heard about directs before they happen and he's basically saying I have an Interjection about a direct. He already actually said that on twitter so Now that I combined that with this gamescom news And the fact that you know, he was the one he was one of the big reports of march I honestly think there is like we'll have ports and remasters and whatever and some smaller games the second half I don't know that it's going to be better than the first half. It's just going to be dependent on what games you're into Yeah, I think nintendo Is actually full steam ahead with we're done with switch Yeah, and we're announcing switch to this summer and we're going to go Full board advertising marketing switch to for nine months heading into launch and you'd be like well, then why not be a gamescom? because Nintendo's going to do a few things they're going to do a kind of decent announcement a little bit bigger than they did for switch Not a full blow up but a bit more than just a trailer They'll feature select games a bit more. They'll drop a direct in september that will sure Have some advertisements for some of the games coming out this year But we'll also have nintendo switch plus whatever this other system is in the title And they will advertise games for that in that direct at least one It'll have at least one they'll advertise whether specter prime four because it's a cross gen title That might be a perfect opportunity to start advertising that in september for coming out for switch two But I think that they'll let us know that it's they're it's going to be coming out they're going to give us a general march 2025 in the summer and then As they market and push for switch two and by the way, I think once the cat's out of the bank third party Companies will just literally just start putting So you're going to start seeing switch two logos or whatever they call this thing in their trailers and everything So we're going to have news about that And then in january We're going to get a big blowout events. I don't know if it's going to be in person But some sort of blowout event marketing for march just like they did for switch except They're also going to have a nintendo live in seattle And that's why they're skipping gamescom because they're going to have all the switch two stuff After the holidays in january in seattle fans can come in Have a good time Maybe they followed up with the nintendo live right away in february in japan Get people really hyped and maybe they even go with the traveling switch advertising bus And they have started having that go around as well around the country so people can try maybe they get Kiosk out early and that's by a target I think nintendo Realized even after they made this supposed internal delayed again, so rumor about internal delay decision I think that didn't change the fact that their plans are to do nothing but switch two from the second half of this year onwards They're just pushed back three months But they're not going to push back the marketing that bad unless you're arguing that it was supposed to start marketing in march So I think reveal in june or july if they want to wait till after the we just imagine comes out fine, whatever But I think june or july they're revealing the system and look that's the exciting part is As a gamer look it because it's going to kind of be a dry year if you're looking just forward to major nintendo games. However They're going to give us so much to talk about So much to keep us entertained with and the reason I say this is nintendo has investors, right? They're a publicly traded company And they're not going to be able to go into this financial meeting coming up on may 7 And give really bad news that switch sales are only going to be 8 million this year By the way, we have no new system coming And no major games come we have no like we're just going to give up this fiscal year and not make money Well, Nate actually I kind of it kind of makes sense because I mean we're talking earlier about how There's no game they could release this year that would get someone that hasn't bought a switch to buy a switch Like there will they will sell switches But it's going to be for people with like getting them for like kids or whatever that are like coming into the age of gaming I think mostly or people buying an extra system um So I think that It it really makes sense for them because like those people like buying a switch for those reasons Aren't going to care if a new one's coming out in a few months Like it's not gonna like Like a kid like a five year old kid isn't going to be like no I want to wait for the new like they don't care that you know what I mean like And the parents don't really know Like or the parents might not care either or just you know, like my kids, you know, young I don't want them to have like the new like super nice one. I just want them to have one with a ton of games So I feel like Yeah, I there maybe but I just I just feel like that kind of does make sense Like what you're saying like for them and that gives them Like a solid, you know Amount of time like six months plus to advertise and market And so I don't know I kind of like it Yeah, and and have a strong first year as far as like nintendo. Yeah nintendo games go I also think that one thing that we're kind of that we might be uh neglecting a little bit is the idea of wanting to create An appetite for new nintendo stuff I mean, I'd say the last three years have been basically back to back good releases Good cadence of of information and new titles and ports and remakes and information about that so and I think that maybe Something about getting a next system which is more iterative than their previous consoles have been of Having this be a down year. So that way people are like, where's nintendo? Why I want nintendo news and once that big blowout happens Everyone is on the same page. It's like, oh, I can still I don't get by with my switch because there's still a lot of support If they go quiet basically for an entire year Everyone's gonna want the next nintendo thing even more so than if this had been a great final year For the switch if the switch too is just amazing from the start And no one has played some big nintendo games for you know, 15 months at that point Then it's gonna it's gonna be even bigger deal Yeah, I mean again, this is just one of those things. It's a theory obviously We have no idea, but it's kind of like hey if there's just no big Uh thing going on Then maybe it's just because like we talked about the I've seen this sentiment out there that nintendo is dropping the ball with switch too Because look they're kind of letting switch go the way the 3ds and we you did you get your ports your remasters your smaller games And i'm like, yeah, I get that I also think by the way, they're not going to punt on the holiday season Um They might not have like a major game that's going to push switch sales now I think they're going to discount the switch They're going to do more bundles than we've ever seen they might even have new special editions or whatever something to move units this holiday But I do think they are going to do something and this will remind you of the we you era in the switch era They're going to drop the n64 classic this holiday season And that's how they're going to keep those boosted holiday sales because that's exactly what they did in 2016 with the nest classic And then they did it again in 2017 with the nest classic So now's the time to fill that small gap while people are super hyped for switch too and driving all of that That's not going to stop people from getting nostalgia combined an n64 classic That's not going to stop people from hey if I want a second or third switch for a friend or whatever And now you're discounting them super cheap and you're bundling a bunch of games in now Is the best time to bundle and enjoy this old library? I honestly think that there's a path here where nintendo can kind of sort of Punt the switch but in a more respectful way while really pushing that next system and keep some holiday revenue coming in Yeah, that that that's maybe Proven but it would kind of line up with like nate the hate saying that hey Don't expect a director anytime soon. We'll know because the next time the next event they're having to switch to event not a direct um and Uh and and because again, there's nothing they're not having a direct because they don't have anything to talk about Talk about until switch to the notes So I could even see a point where there isn't even a direct until september Holy shit. I could I could see that too That he doesn't think there's a direct Yeah What did he say that I saw on twitter. He said he hadn't heard of anything Someone asked him if there's a direct comment right around the corner. He said not to my knowledge Right, I would not be surprised if we didn't get it between she doesn't a general direct till september And and he has always heard about directs. He every director of the switcher. He's heard about ahead of time. So Yeah And they're one that's basically saying uh brazil is wrong They weren't going to have this in this indie world was never planned for last month. I will say that um I will say that I was under the impression that something would happen this month And it looks like that something was indie world Sure, and that's it Yeah, I don't think there's a direct happening next week guys. I don't think we're getting I don't think we're getting one in May they got two games coming out may they're just gonna let those two games kind of be the thing Yeah, yeah, um june, I think it's the soonest and I think they're gonna avoid summer game fest week if they do do it in june Uh, but it could be july like I think literally wait till till the weegee mansion's out and then hit us in july I really think july the earliest and then possibly september as a content creator I would love for something next week as a general nintendo fan like I don't want them to punt on switch this year and just do ports and remasters all your lawn, but I'm I'm okay as a nintendo fan if it's because they're going to be spending nine months hyping up switch too And I'm totally fine with that. So there's obviously some hopeium in there as well that this is nintendo's plan But I also kind of think like how could nintendo guarantee they don't lose momentum going to the next one Well, you just announced the damn next one Don't care if that hurts switch sales right now because it probably won't hurt it too bad anyways As jake pointed out it literally might not hurt sales that bad So Yeah, I mean, I think you're at this point of p you're appealing to a market that wouldn't have bought switch otherwise Yeah, you know and the market you're appealing to is switch too is the market that already owns switches Right. So if you drop the price of the switch, right, let's say the normal switch goes down like a hundred bucks Yeah, right like at that point you're you're reaching a market that's never gonna buy switch too until that comes down to 200 dollars Seven years. Yeah, and it was the market they tried to capture with uh, 2ds and new 2ds Andres, do you think they might not lower the price of the switch till after the switch too comes out? I don't know I mean, I feel like it makes sense to drop the price of the switch beforehand Yeah, I agree. I because think of it like this wouldn't it be weird um to like Be buying an OLED you buy an OLED for 350 dollars and then a month later switch to comes out in 400 bucks Like it might make more sense to drop the price of switch a few months before It comes out. Yeah, maybe I still feel like they can sell them holidays for like any price needed Listen, I I still think I would like them to do a price drop and then do a bundle. That's the original price with prime four Sure That's not a bad idea like I could see that. Yeah, because they already do that for like black front They've already done that with for black friday like include a game for the regular price I could start seeing them doing that with a bunch more games as their prime Prime what they already do that now comes with animal crossing Sure, but prime needs people Yeah, that's for late Metroid Metroid needs people Yeah, that's wild tree. I would like to see breath of the wild three for yeah, very very likely Breath of the child like they bundled the games that they have no problem selling Like Mario Kart and animal crossing and not games like to get people more interested like at least like If you want to throw Mario Kart in there, sure But maybe yeah throw like a Metroid game also and that would get a lot of saying because people are just going to buy Mario Kart anyways Is that what you're saying like everyone? I think this holiday what we'll see is they'll drop the price point of every single switch switch by a hundred bucks But you will still see some at 350 300 and 200 for the light But nintendo is going to bundle two to three games in with it. They're they're going to go heavy on bundles Bundle bundle bundle make it just like to see like a really good deal Remember you could buy a console and get like two or three games with at once The golden years Yeah So I remember when I got my game cube. There was like a deal going on for ps2 Like you get a ps2 and four games. I was like, no, I'm gonna get a game cube in two games But those two games are goats in mario sunshine and metro prime I mean they were even actually doing that with wii you when you could get a wii you bundle with um Yeah, we were old nintendo land baked in. I mean, that's the wii you that I had Yeah, I think there yeah, yeah, there was a few bundles like that, but that was that was more like a hey, we're screwed Yeah, of course. It was a hail mary. Yeah a wii with wii sports was Like one of the best packing games of all time Yeah, it was so good Should have been I don't think nintendo land gets enough credit Should have been packed in rad With the deluxe version of wii you People would like one to switch if it was a packing game. This is this is my I would die on this hell You know what I disagree I am glad one two switch was not packed in with switch Why no why because that game sucks and would turn us the good name of nintendo switch I kind of feel like I think that I think it might have been intended to be a packing game But like you're like, we don't want this to be the first taste Exactly because it sucks Well, I like the people that are crazy enough to pay money for this out of desperation for something to play at launch do it Oh, we're not packing it in f that. Well, well, not only that Maybe that game was basically a way of saying like hey check out this new feature in our art This cool new feature in our controllers that we're never gonna use in any other game Am I the only only person that that recently saw at At uh walmart that everybody's one two sutra was being sold at my local walmart for five cents And I kept thinking I kept thinking for a second because that's how much that game is tanked No, nobody you Like pretty much every game right now is like five dollars or less at walmart. Yeah walmart's just clear Yeah, they're they're clear now. They're clearing out everything. They do this all the time Uh-oh Where they make them five it's a legal thing where they make them five cents and then they send them Back to like a warehouse or whatever to be redistributed. It's a weird thing But what I what I was about to say is They went heavy with the horse And the only thing I know is five cents is worth seeing if the horse is bricked up Heavy on the horse a great phrase. I remember one time Maybe I was a little I was on a grateful little shit back then but um, I was given to we music And Andres that's domestic violence. Yeah Well, I I never took it out of his rapping I Andres If you do what we talked about, would you say jake? Just yell surprise if you do what we talked about Oh, he wasn't there for that. He didn't we're not we're not doing that If something weird happens, I'll yell surprise Um, yes you will So Surprise Eric's more of a general consumer over there. How you feeling about switch right now in 2024? Like is there even anything that excites you at all? And are you just like it's time I need a new switch I'm still running the original Yeah, it's it's just duct tape switch, baby. I need a new switch I don't really want to buy one right now because I just have that feeling that eventually it's gonna be coming out here In the relatively near future. Yeah, or or if you're or if you're like Yeah, I can't tell from here. Can you not really really not really no No, well, there's a crack believe well wait hold on It's it's kind of hard to see. Hey stop showing your crack on screen for free That gives me an idea and I don't want to take that off to show you Yeah Oh, here we go, here we go I have taken off the wrapping somewhat That's pretty clear now. Oh, that's pretty bad. Whoa. What happened there? Honestly, I think my dog ate it That is uh, that's a new one my dog ate my switch Well, I don't know how else that hole got there. So Then again, uh, my so this wrapping's done a great job preserving my switch And or just making it look like nothing's wrong. Yeah You can in person you can see a crease, but it's not as well I'm sure in person. Hey tears of the kingdom is a game that features a lot of damaged things the master sword is damaged Maybe it's just maybe it's just a vibe. It's a tears of the kingdom vibe. It's just a vibe just a vibe everyone Um, so what I wanted to get into a little bit then because you know, we're talking about 2024 What do we actually think nintendo's gonna bring in this second half just like port remaster or whatever wise Um Before you guys get started, I'm just gonna bow out real quick I had So I said a little later, but I don't know who I was getting extra bricked up over there. He had an election 10 surprise now He had an extra two inches on that one I gotta go put the good news Have a good night Good night So I guess So what do you what do we actually think nintendo's gonna do in the second? I like what how they feel in this slate? What what are we getting? Let's start with remasters Or remakes, what do we things come? games games Damn it. I don't know what it is but games. Let me reach across and slap you. I literally can reach through mic Look at that my arm extends all the way around and comes up. Oh, whoa. Whoa. What was that tongue action? Um, so I guess We need a divider between us something that can kind of concerns me, right? Is that If we're not getting a direct until june We're running into a this strange situation where there's not a july game And there's always been nintendo published title or titles in july every year switch And typically that game at the latest has ever been announced as may and that was the pandemic year where they announced origami king Otherwise, it would have known about it already And yet we don't Yeah, or or twitter drop even like Style drop would mean that there would be a presentation in july Then there might be a presentation in july Or I was just talking about Yeah, twitter drop literally in the switch to presentation Just be like oh, by the way, we don't want to forget you guys. Hey, you saw that metro prime four teas boom shadow drop two three done july That's a little hope now you're now you're moving you're moving back to switch to reveal to july Yes, that's actually when I think they might do it. Uh, I I think that went well after the weegees mansion. What honestly, I don't have a prediction anymore. Okay. All right. Yeah He's giving up Well, I mean, I'm gonna see what the intent is. Yeah, the problem is that I I'm under the impression that there have been several internal delays Or it's all bullshit One or the other uh, so internal delays we saw that switch. Yeah. Yeah. Um But I guess my point is, um Like I'm not even sure we're gonna see the switch to this summer, um because the idea was there was gonna be like a You know a direct before that and we're not sure on that Well, I mean, we'll see how april pans out, right? Unless brazil was just full of shit There's a good there's a solid chance. Uh, when you brought up, we're going the whole the whole indy world thing You know, like the fact that nate the hate is literally being like, uh, guys There was never going to be an indy world last month. So I don't know would have been nice if it would have said that sooner though Well, okay, he doesn't really tease indy worlds like hardly ever so Right, but everyone knew about that rumor. He didn't say squat until You know now Well, I think I think what he was going on was that brazil He felt was at first given an opinion That it was going to be in uh, in march because he all remember if you remember brazil's original Thing was that an indy world would happen before a direct that is happening in april And he thought it would be march. That's the way he phrased the original rumor. Yeah, it wasn't Hey, what's that alone? Because nate's like, well, I don't know about a direct yet, but that's pretty far out Maybe I'll hear about one by then i'm not going to contradict anything and then when he came out and said well Uh, actually, I don't think there's going to be a direct anymore. My source is now saying june Maybe maybe may blah blah blah and uh, the you know, he didn't really even talk about And he didn't really talk about the indy world at all when he was retracting that And then uh, the indy world was announced and then brazil was like, oh, yeah This is weird. I thought this was originally supposed to happen before gdc I guess it got pushed and then nate the hate comes in and be like, uh, no It was always in april. So the other thing is that necrophilipe the universal nintendo owner Also said there was going to be a general in april and has just disappeared. Hmm. Yeah, he's still around He's not talking about he's like pretending. He never said anything right I mean it's dangerous at this point He was also the big proponent that said the exact day that partner showcase direct was going to be and then it was wrong And it was the next week. Oh, yeah And then insiders tried to defend him and yet he's the only one that said it was happening for sure that week He was the only one. This has been a really well that could be like twice in a row. He's been wrong And maybe he just has bad the nintendo ninja's got a source One thing we have to remember is no one thing we have to remember about this situation is He's also located in brazil And it's possible They're all getting because because this the the page will be in fed bad information by nintendo brazil Um or whatever their contact is i'm assuming they have one at nintendo They're fishing for they're fishing for the leak and they gave out bad information and yeah And because those are the only two that were corroborating on this direct thing And brazil was like trying to defend him saying that oh, there was going to be this week But now it's the other week and when he was the only one saying that week for the partner showcase So it's kind of one of those I don't really think that uh necrophilipe and i've already seen a lot of other stuff that i guess has been deleted in the past A lot of times he's been wrong. I think his information isn't that rock solid and brazil has actually been he's known This this pagero. Henrique brazil person He's actually been known in the past to be very reliable But this was like five years ago and then he stopped And the reason that he got his credit now is not just from the past but because he has so much corroboration On the way Yeah, and even ate the hay back that upset. Oh, yeah, i'm hearing about that too So with all of that said I think it's it's possible that he was right about the switch to delay because he had five different sources He said in three different countries. So he wasn't just local So he actually had legit information there But all of this stuff about the Direct and the and the this and the switch to reveal was all from it sounds like just two sources And those could have just been local brazil sources that are just wrong Yeah, I got a question uh for the one on there the fact that none of the other insiders ever corroborated things when he said Besides necrophilipe who happens to also be in his same country Anything about the indie world direct switch to thing. No one else corroborated that it was kind of like I thought that was interesting And then he cancelled it before there was even a chance for the stuff to come true before the end of the month It's like I think that he has become aware And I think he's acutely aware that his information was wrong and he's trying to pass it off as this was old information Even though he got the information at the time he got the switch to delay information claims I'm out of it. This isn't me putting any shade on brazil or necrophilipe I think they probably have sources. I just think their sources are now being fed misinformation on purpose by nintendo because And that's the thing leak bait exists. Yeah. Yeah, no definitely It's another it's another it's one of many reasons why one should take rumors with a grain of salt. Yes Yeah, absolutely. That's why I said even when they like he's saying this. Okay, cool Uh, he's and by the way, Nate's got a very public reputation and he's been wrong about things I mean again, he was the big reporter of one of the march No, he has there was other insiders backing the whole march reveal thing but Um, and there was plenty of reports like video game chronicle ign Um bloomberg, etc saying that hey at gamescom last year everyone was talking about march So very very clear. It felt like there was obviously a road back to march that and and things just changed Nintendo made a decision. Hey, we're we're going to pull the plug on that and push it Which is fine. And we know this happens for anyone who tells me this doesn't happen We now know it's a fact and it's not just a rumor the switch was delayed the giga leak Which was a real leak. Nintendo literally sued people over it. It is a real they sent people to jail over this leak And their servers got hacked all this stuff. What happened is in that giga leak We got files that showed switch was supposed to be holiday 2016. That was the roadmap It was supposed to be holiday 2016. Did it come out holiday 2016? No Did we ever hear that it was delayed? No Why because it was an internal delay to march of 2017. So we know that the internal delays are a fact-based thing Ergo, I can believe that the plan was this holiday and it's been this holiday since last year But they decided for whatever reason is maybe it's just game lineup wise. Maybe it's manufacturing wise. It's just a better, you know, people talk Shout out by the way to that Nintendo Is it focus channel or Nintendo? That channel that that that did gosh, I'm really mad now. I don't remember he put out a video today too Um, he did something he did a bunch of research into it Uh in a big video he did where he was showing the yen to the yen thing Yeah, there's no forecast. There's no forecast chat. He did a really big Yeah, there's no forecast. Yeah, he did a very uh, he actually went viral because he pointed out A lot of information why Nintendo may want to delay this and it has to do with the yen And how the yen's actually predicted to bounce back at the end of this year because one thing about the yen It's helping increase their out-of-market profits But when they have to spend money out of japan into those markets like china to get things made things are actually really expensive for them right now So it actually would make sense to delay Just from financial reasons a three month delay hope the yen bounces back Then you fork over the money you end up making you know spending less money to get things made And the profits end up being really good on switch too It was actually really well researched and he showed a whole bunch of documentation and evidence behind all of this And how like this is a real thing like the yen is actually It's not low Because the economy is bad. It's not like one of those kind of things It it was something that I can't remember this was there was something that was reported that It from japan's all from japan reports about why the yen was low And it was trying to prevent something that they were predicting was going to happen That things now passed and now the yen's actually, you know slowly as we're getting this summer starting to get a bit more valuable so My point is like everything kind of lines up where there probably wasn't internal delay Whatever the reason is even if it wasn't a financial reason And three months isn't going to make a break. They proved to switch. They don't need holiday to launch a system All right. I'm going to tell you what I think. All right. That's it. I guess I've um Part of what I think is colored by some things I've heard but I haven't wanted to like Fully believe it because you know, you know how it is you hear something. You're not sure you should trust it Are these random emails? No, I don't I don't I don't I usually Delete that shit So so you've got it on some some form of kind of Maybe some of that in real Maybe basically There I mean put it this way When there is a direct I know when the direction happened right But only like shortly beforehand, right? Oh, I thought you wrote to tell me what in the next direction happened. I was about to go nuts No On the on the nintendo prime podcast That's the problem. There's nothing he's not He always Announced when it's gonna happen and he hasn't heard I think I was the first youtuber to say that we're probably gonna partner showcase In february, right? Yeah, probably. Yeah, right. So I'm I then all the reports and room between the lines here, right? So, you know Okay Like very close to when directs are gonna happen Yeah, I mean, you know a couple people sometimes sending messages and if there's like a A track history of getting it right. I started to pay a little bit more attention to it And basically what I'm saying is There's no direction next week I hope that's not I hope there is but I don't You've heard nothing. So like so you're based on the track history. You're like, yeah, there's no direct next week So actually I want to make it. I want to make a prediction for that's not what I wanted to get at. Yeah. Yeah, that's not what I'm getting Oh, sorry. Yeah, let's get Sorry, so I just am You know how the nakay report said switched to At earliest Yeah, march 2025. Yep. I think we should hone in on the on the earliest part So I'm not trying to be a negative Nancy I'm simply stating that you know, I think we should be cognizant of the very real possibility that when they say switched to at at march 2025 at the earliest That is a that is not just there for fluff the at the earliest might be the Optimistic thing. So You know make sense. I think that makes sense I I I really I want a direct next week. I want brazil to be right. I want necrophobia to be right So, I want to make a I want to make this and it would be a general direct. Yeah I want to be the only one to say that for for Nintendo this year because we've been talking a lot about like timing and directs and is there going to be one When's it going to be? um, you know, uh, Nate when you were talking about how you feel july september makes sense I'm kind of in that space where I think we'll actually probably see the next mainline direct In july with like the first sort of reveal for switch to in september Ts blowout happening earlier in the new year for switch to where they show off all the big games But I think we will get a direct prior to july, but I think it's going to be a direct mini Not a mini show partner showcase a direct mini Trying to keep people's hopes up. That's going to give us our july august September 2020 all over again Yeah, yeah Banger in september though. I I like there. Oh, yeah. No, I I think september is going to be the month of hype This is when it's like, oh, shit. Yeah, I can do that. It's real Hey, if it happens in the first few weeks or so summer, so I'm good Yeah, but I think I I'd actually expect listen. We've had the mini partner showcase. We've had the indie world now It's time for a mini we're going to go through all the beats before we finally land people We're going to be losing hope people are going to be you know giving up on their dreams and That's when nintendo is going to hit us with the mainline direct in the summertime I think that makes sense and I think the mini is going to it's going to be like four games You know for you know, maybe we get like zeno blade chronicle x Maybe it's they're continuing with this port thing zeno blade chronicles x for for switch win waker Twilight princess hd and then maybe some cool maybe a new kirby, you know We always get kirbies at the end of a nintendo life cycle kirby airway kirby. I want old there we go And uh, my thought is as robot remake. That's my That's my thought process on that. Okay. Okay. Okay, and maybe some new Uh, the switch online announcements like cuba vorre the new 64 stuff coming in The banjo-tui diddy kong racing stuff like that, you know, yeah sweet Yeah, possible. That's what I could see So I think second half of this year. I think metroid prime two and three are coming second half of this year That was just happening Think it's happening. Yeah. I mean, you know for my agenda of metroid prime four, you know I I like that being a launch window. Yeah, but also I don't want this year to suck Like, I know I I think like, you know Like when tugger asked me, what's my prediction? I don't have one right now. Yeah, I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place Like I don't even know what to believe right now Well, I think and the truth is we've all been burned this year I mean this the first part of the year as we were saying earlier has just been so strange Especially for leaks. I mean we've had contradicting things and then predictions come true and then untrue within 24 hours and I mean It's been an interesting time to you know, get to know you guys and talk about this stuff because If you look backwards, I mean leaks were pretty stable comparatively Before the beginning of this year where things started to Contradict seemingly a lot more often and then the fact that we're getting indie worlds and partner showcases And then who the hell knows what? I think it's been I think it's been a very fascinating time But I think that the lucky part and I think that this is something that that Nate was saying earlier about like just like things stabilizing when switch 2 happens is Is this is this is a passing storm? I don't expect this is going to be this way for even the entire year I think that things in nintendo just seem like they're a little bit unstabilized They're trying to find their way in the next generation. Yeah speaking of that There's something that we need to seriously consider Oh, and I don't think it's getting whispered about right now about nintendo like dropping the ball and You know failing with the transition like you know Maybe about to fall off a cliff by the end of the year, especially if nothing's announced and it's it's kind of a You know just oh Not a year with less releases, but without important important games uh, I think that One thing that that isn't getting talked about is that furikawa has never launched a new platform And it's entirely possible that all of this Strangeness is because He kind of doesn't know what he's doing right now. Yeah, sure And he keeps changing his mind And making like last-minute decision changes Because he's not confident in some things or he's really nervous because Again, he talked to all generation about not falling off a cliff not He said that at like seven different financial briefings that that's his focus is when we go to the next system to not fall off a cliff and I think he is deathly afraid of what happens when nintendo moves on from this generation And he knows it's on him and he's trying not to mess it up And in trying not to mess it up It's creating a lot of confusion for all of their partners Which is where most of this information is coming from is their partners Yeah, um that are making games for the system with dev kits So I I think it's just a very confusing time even for their partners because furikawa I think knows that this makes or breaks his career and maybe even future as president of nintendo Yeah, I uh theory. I'll go ahead on this. Here's the theory. All right. You guys ready? food kawa can't fail With this if they never move on Well, that would be a big failure though. They start doing a lot of revenue No, so all you got to do All you got to do is to continue to release games for switch and just never acknowledge switch doing eventually people Will just give up and we'll just accept the fact that switch is all we have And we'll continue to play games for the next decade That's selling system over ever simply because they're never going to stop making switches nintendo's next console That's not going to happen until the collapse of society There it is See I I want to give furikawa a little bit more credit. I think he's a savvy dude. I I think I I think he's a savvy dude, too But I also just think that We didn't feel the strangeness with prior console launches all of those Satoru Awada and then obviously the yamuchi family before him and they obviously were very consistent with how they handled things Now we have a new president who's never launched something who keeps talking about how he was nervous and afraid of and trying to like Make sure that they don't fall off a cliff and now we have this confusing launch thing going on Hey, it's that games company. Oh, by the way, this thing's not coming out for like a year and a half and like there's just a lot of I think I think he's a little nervous And he's making a few nervous Choices now the choices might be well informed, of course because he knows everything behind the scenes So like maybe he was really confident and like this internal delay could have literally just been Miyamoto Onuma other devs came up to him and said hey We need a bit more time on our games And nintendo has always been willing to delay things for their own games And that could literally be all this is and it feels tepid because nintendo told their partners when to expect things coming out this holiday Everyone was confident all the analysts were confident coming to this year It's going to be this holiday and then nintendo pulls the rug out And it could literally just be hey or a cow was full steam ahead And then they might even have a presentation ready to go For march sure and then all of a sudden like maybe it's the mario team Maybe tizuka went straight to straight to furukawa and immediately said hey man This shit ain't ready for this holiday. We can't fumble with this game We need we need this year to polish We we have to like that's you saw tears of the kingdom you saw mario wonder Fans have expectations. There's a problem. We need I've got an interesting thought about the combination of the delay And then also what you're talking about in terms of communication with partners Of course, there seems to be a little bit of confusion But I would say that there's a pretty high likelihood that there's pressure from Uh, the the bigger uh third party third parties or should that that call a duty contract? Yes, but you but here's the thing is I think that there's pressure from them From uh, working on these big games that have only started to barely get home on nintendo's hardware To give them a little more time before the launch of the system to make sure that those Games are fully ready for full support Uh on nintendo's side for when that system actually launches and so you can imagine that that Ubisoft and blizzard and all these big teams want to make sure that their games are as good as they can be for that first year of that system, uh, and then Who the hell knows? I mean you you want to have good generation party support? All the leakers are wrong and switch to is 2024 Right. Hey, hey maximum maximum. That's hope you maximum technically things are still set up beautifully for it to happen Nothing's really changed in that respect. It would explain why there's no directs because hey it's full on this holiday is all switched to And the partners got that letter because nintendo just doesn't want their games to come at launch because they know They'll be overshadowed by what nintendo's launching with Blah blah blah. Hey Pedro Henrique. It looks like he's being contradicted by people So maybe he was just wrong. Oh, and hey by the way the primary outlets backing him up in nick. Hey vgc And euro gamer were also all the same people backing up the switch pro stuff that ended up never coming out So maybe their sources are all very similar all very unreliable at this point and I want to speak on that Really pulling the rug on everyone I want to speak on that a little bit more right because like I think it's a valid point to bring up Right because the originating source of this entire widespread switch to delay report is from brazil And so now we're seeing things that suggest that maybe what he was saying was shaky, right? And so it doesn't make does it truly call into question everything else? Well, if we are to take these reports seriously, um, you know as credible reputable sites They wouldn't they wouldn't just be regurgitating what this person's saying they're their own sources Yeah, right. They are their own sources, right? And then this person's story was just a launching off point, right? And I do think it's possible euro gamer and vgc have the same sources They're both located in the uk the writers that reported it. I so I that's an interesting thing when it comes to corroboration You can see a separate site or our journalists say hey, I heard the same thing But it doesn't mean they heard it from a different person or a different source. Absolutely. So then the corroboration isn't necessarily true corroboration Yes, that nick k report that kind of Adds a little way, but nick a lot of most of the case reports come from manufacturing I've noticed a lot of the reports are basic because they have contacts in Bloomberg as well though, right? Bloomberg too. Yeah. Yeah, they get a lot of their sources from manufacturing Yeah, but there are different parts of the world if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, uh, the the guy who does it the What's his name? Takahashi, uh, he actually lives in Japan. So Okay, so yeah, so it's The what I want the point I wanted to speak to is and I don't not try to necessarily throw shade at anyone Right. I'm simply we're discussing possibilities here, right? Especially when there's been things that have been wrong, right? So, you know, it is what it is, but I wonder right if Maybe, you know, sometimes these reports come out because They don't want to take the fall For being wrong about their initial report That makes any sense, right? So like, you know Just to for example, right, let's say VGC sees this post from brazil They put out the report, but your game is like, oh, they're saying this Well, then maybe we should also say this too. I'm not saying that that's why You know, I'm just stating that I feel like it's possible that one of the sources that Brazil has he said five sources three different countries one of those countries could have been the uk Which could have been the exact same source the other people heard from and it could have all been misinformation right, um, and I so I just kind of wonder like you look at like with brazil, right and how he said multiple things Over the last couple months Some of it to me kind of felt like hey people are gonna get mad at me. This has come true So let me kind of like Update, you know trying like yeah before And and and then that one post he made it he seemed he put an edit in there Where he felt like a little guilty that maybe he got people really excited for something that he doesn't think's happening anymore Yeah, um And you know, the the thing is it's the tricky part is like That's why you have to take things as a grain of salt. Yeah, we don't know even like I mean, I guess the question is should we have never even covered brazil? Uh, I think You can't ignore the initial report when it was being corroborated Um, I think at that point you have to talk you can't just ignore it Like maybe just blissfully ignored it at the time. I think as content creators, you know, i g n's run in the store Everyone see nm was running the story everyone's running the story You can't just sit there and be like well, this didn't happen and ignore that You know ignore that and even Nate the hate who he was one of the last people To come in and say that he that that he he heard about it after the reports came out. He didn't hear about it before Yeah, uh, so, you know, it's kind of one of those That you wonder One there's something i've always wondered about insiders who seem to always have like the same information and corroborate each other If it's like they all have similar sources that are all just whatever and nintendo Maybe figured out who those leaks are and that's where they're feeding some of the false information if that's what they're doing Or if it's one of those i don't think covering that initial thing was wrong and again I don't question brazil's overall reputation guys. I feel like he has proven himself enough in the past I do think though with this happening and nate the hate not agreeing with him Which is the first time that's happened like ever he's never disagreed with brazil in the past So with that happening it's one of those things where well, nate the hate clearly has different sources At some point is one of his sources at least is different than what brazil has and brazil Walking everything back before he even had to He didn't have to walk anything back What he did claim me one of his sources that was saying april is now saying june I think that We're at a point where brazil There's a reason that he stopped talking about this stuff and he said it himself because this happens all the time with his sources Which means that his sources may not be as reliable as other people's sources Um pioro by the way has also responded to people saying he hasn't heard about a direct comment and we know How legit pioro has been how much he knows when a direct hit I was actually going to ask something real quick about pioro. It's just because we have a bunch of people who know their shit here did pyro ever Leak or give information on indy worlds before they were happening obviously not this one He said he doesn't get much info on indy. Yeah, I even said that today I was checking because we heard nothing Yeah, it sounds like he might he might become aware of them, but he doesn't know what's in them So it's like not his contact or not his department or whatever however he gets this information. It's not Yeah, he doesn't know something with pioro though, right is that Yes, pioro is like yes the most reliable leaker, but Pure only talks about things right before they're gonna like a few days at most. Um, and so it's kind of one of those things we're like Because of that it's probably why he doesn't get things wrong because he talks about them He waits when he's positive Yeah, right like once we're past the point of a potential delay No, like a point of no return where it's happening period when you're talking about things ahead of time It's it's more subject to changes Yep, yeah, and and I think yeah, I think it's too obviously Yeah, and I think that's something that is slowly happening. I've been noticing Uh watching Nate the hate over the last year is he's starting to not say things until much closer to what's happening Um, yeah, right like a switch post I was out of like genbo boomers like that will switch to we'll have dls. Yeah, but that's not telling you when the system's coming Yeah, he's like being very careful with directs. He's slowly used to tell us about directs Oh directs gonna be next month now He only tells us like the friday before When it's very hard for it to move at that point when it's gonna be the next week Um, like if you think about it, all you all you have to do is go back to uh, june 2022 and all these insiders We're talking about oh, we're gonna get a direct. We're gonna get a direct He stayed silent all month the friday Before the week of the direct He came out and said the directs next week and it's a partner direct and everyone's like no It's not no it's not next week comes sure as shit direct on wednesday partner direct Like he he got kind of learned his lesson. I'm not going to start doing this Months long. Yeah, like he'll do the he'll do the general look nintendo usually does directs february june september So you kind of already have a general idea of when to typically expect them But he doesn't start going like it's happening now until It's it's friday or the monday of the week. So Um, and I think that's just him learning brazil Claims that he learned his lesson and then he did something that he shouldn't have done By his own admission at this point And I Look, I I can't sit here and and keep telling people that rumors Are not facts and not meant to be believed and meant to be skeptical about them and then not actually contemplate the idea And that's why I brought it up today I knew I wanted to bring this up that all this stuff could be bullshit And the switch to could literally still be this year That'd be nice It will be very nice, but also i'm i must by the way this is not me saying it's gonna happen I know that's the hopey a maximum i'm still on the reveal this summer coming out march But it's one of those things where I just go i'm not ignoring that all these reports exist and all this corroboration Some of it seems like it's from manufacturing. Some of it seems like it might be from very similar developer sources i'm not ignoring all of that I think that all these people Let me just put this out there. I do think brazil Has actual developer sources. I do think nata hate has developer sources Um, I mean look he literally knows mvgs. Who's the switch developer? So like I he has probably real developer sources I fully believe andy robinson over at video game chronicle has actual So he's been in this industry forever. I believe he has actual sources I believe takahashi has actual sources out in japan even if a lot of it's manufacturing I firmly believe that he has sources got nintendo japan seems pretty locked down Unless pioro is really does live in Kyoto then that's maybe the one exception Or something from japan's coming out um But I fully believe that all these places like even um You know, I'll give you I'll give you another example. Here's someone whose track record right now Is baller tom henderson Tom henderson last year told us at like, you know in september that by like hey at this time next year We're gonna hear a lot of third party games and also on switch too He said that back in september now that was obviously plans can change the system We'll be delayed. We might not hear about it this september depends on when they announce it. However what I find fascinating about tom henderson is He doesn't jump on the train of all he wasn't corroborating any of this stuff And yet he is one of the primary workers at a site called insider gaming And he has literally hit on his last 17 in a row reports on inside information All of it's come true every single one of them Like he clearly has very damn good sources And he has not been corroborating any of this stuff happening But he did corroborate or at least state that a bunch of third party games are basically going to be on switch Dude, like you're going to be surprised. There'll be like all of them almost so I I think it's interesting thinking about all of this in context of There could just be nintendo could have literally finally figured out where the information was coming from they might even figure it out during the switch pro Dilemma, yeah And realized hey, we're not it's not like, you know, like oh, it's coming from developers with dev kits Oh, nintendo is not going to not give ubi soft not going to give these companies dev kits They're absolutely going to still get dev kits. They got to make games But nintendo maybe doesn't give them the full information Because the one thing I feel happens If you remember, what was it stated about this? It was stated That nintendo sent a letter To third party developers an email probably right? Stating about how hey, you know, it's going to be next year. Yada, yada, whatever We don't know the exact statements of the letter, but it was stated that that letter was sent That's what everyone is citing that there was a letter sent I feel like if a letter was sent to every single person with a dev kit, don't you think that letter would have leaked by now? Um, I don't know You think someone would have tossed it on paceman and put it on 4chan? I think the interesting thing about that is we don't get a lot of text leaks Like we don't get a lot of like email leaks like we hear them from people with And if every person with the dev kit got this letter Then how come it's only the same places that talked about switch pro talking about this when we know tom henderson Or um has sources when we know ign has sources No one else is corroborating this but the same outlets that we're talking switch pro That probably have the same sources they had back then but all these other sources we know have legit stuff Haven't corroborated any of it. They're just reporting on these people You know because they have proven reliable in the past. So I think I think there's just something fishy going on with all of this where nintendo Maybe didn't send that letter to everybody Hmm No, no, are you saying that they didn't send a letter period or they only sent it to circle? I think they sent a letter Yeah, but I think they sent it to the people that they suppose leaks have been coming from sure and By golly they figured it out Now by the way, we just talked earlier how companies and and mike odyssey's brought this up on the podcast ages ago Now like companies will do this when they think there's leaks and they think they figured it out Sometimes they'll feed some fake information Just to see if that gets out and boom they nailed the leak Didn't they do that with or was this just a rumor? Didn't they do that with star fox grand prix wasn't that like That was completely made up. That was completely made up. Okay. I feel like someone had told me that that was The funny thing is a lot of that things circulated in the same circle as all of this right This is crazy. So spheroe man sir in the chat is saying that tom henderson has hit on 160 of one of his last 162 claimed leaks as we verified on the gaming leak sub Yes, he is literally considered a tier one leaker with puro He did his reporting at insider gaming is absolute. I don't know if you guys pay attention No, see now that I do vg news and i'm covering everything I always cover any of his reports. He just keeps hitting his sources are so legit It is insane like he he like we talked about jeff grubb stuff jeff grubb don't hit 160 out of 162 That's not how it works. He's about a 50 50 maybe maybe a 60 40 hitter on his stuff tom henderson's like 99 percent And he didn't corroborate this stuff. So like I just sit back and I go The same circle of people and again I this i'm not just throwing shade at any of these people. I've talked to andy robison behind the scenes He's a very friendly person. Obviously. I've had conversations when they've been hating all these other people I honestly think they have sources and they're just telling us what they're being told It's not on them. It's on the people breaking nda to relay this information to them And I think nintendo may have figured out who those people are over the course of this switch generation And so while they're not cutting those people out for making games, they're not giving them fully accurate information On purpose. By the way, if switch 2 ends up coming out this year And we find out when nintendo reveals it or all these insiders start saying when june hits Holy crap nintendo is about to reveal switch 2 and it's coming out this holiday And they start backtracking all their prior reports. We'll start to know that's exactly what nintendo was doing I hope that's true Yeah, again, this is obviously getting into I don't even want to say conspiracy theory territory. It's not really We're talking about things. We don't know to be true in the first place Yeah Yeah So that would be wild it would also kind of suck because it would mean like oh I gotta put the caveat out anytime I cover stuff from these people in the future. Oh, by the way Um, they were wrong about some pretty major things Don't know if we should listen So I don't know again Kind of conspiracy theory like but also I think there's some legit reasons to maybe think that and you know It's funny all those people that hit the comments and say I don't believe this remember switch pro This would totally validate Those statements because the same people So they're throwing it out there and again, this is no shade at them Don't go attack these people don't even share my theory with them Look, they're supposed to believe their sources because they know who they are and they know what companies they work at And they're very I I fully believe they have legitimate development sources Sources that are working with switch dev switch to dev kits that I don't doubt but you want to know what what kind of gets me Look at your good. What's all right now? You know, so Tucker you were doing that victory lap earlier. Maybe it's too soon too soon We'll see we'll see the mic honesty theory Yeah It's only april. I mean it's only april So this is what gets me Let me remember a few patent hits mic I remember back in 2016 When the euro gamer wasn't reports were out for switch to the hybrid Nintendo not switch to switch right the the nx right the hybrid console And back then I wasn't as aware of you know, the track records of the different reputable sites and things of that nature But back then I was like, okay. Yeah, this is a report, but Who why should I believe this is still technically a rumor and so I didn't believe it and what happened It was real Yeah, and so I learned I felt I learned my lesson. Oh euro gamer is privy to real information and should be taken seriously Right, but it the tough part is that They are but then also there are times there are Portland things that don't come true so it's it's I guess it's one of those things where I guess what what needs to be understood is that if we're gonna be talking about these kinds of things Yeah, we may be we may like to try and focus on the you know, the non zippos right the the ones that yeah The zippos we know that are not real versus people like like I just said I do believe these places have real sources So like how do you cover that then when you know, they might be being fed information? That's not correct Yeah, um, but regardless of how valid you may think someone is or how credible they are You kind of have to acknowledge That there is a There's a solid chance in most cases that whatever is being discussed is just not going to happen in the way You're thinking or at all I think that's I think that's good for uh Content graders like you and me that cover a lot of rumor stuff that maybe I'm not gonna stop covering it from places that I find to be valid enough to talk about But I think it also will help frame I think we're gonna handle rumors a lot different in the switch two era is what I think is gonna happen We're gonna cover them We're gonna discuss them We're gonna talk about the possibilities and why they might be right and how it can make sense But I think we're also gonna be a lot more on that other side as well given But that's only tells half the story could be wrong Here's other examples of times that this person was wrong with nintendo reports We need to remember That rumors are not meant to be because I feel like during the switch era I know I personally didn't I would always mention. Oh, it's a rumor. It might not necessarily be true But most of my video was was talking as if it was going to happen Yeah, I think for me personally, it's going to be I'll still talk like that But I'm also going to give the other side where hey We also need to remember that this cannot be the true this this could happen this could happen until it comes from nintendo This is just for fun discussion and talking about possibilities But take it for what you will and I'll let you know in certain instances If I think something is maybe a bit more believable like if it's from pr0 as an example Probably a bit more believable with a more consistent track tom henderson, right? Bit more believable a bit better track record. Well for the most part still rumors I I because I feel like even watching some of your old videos on just throughout the switch era You it was very much a we'd always mentioned it's rumors that might not be real That was that was all we were pretty consistent with that But most of the video was like talking about as if it would be real and why it would make sense And it would kind of convince people that it's happening Yeah, um, I think um, there are times when I'm like, yeah, there's just things that aren't that may lead to not being true Like I definitely try to like cover both sides. But yeah, what I'm excited about something Yeah, that's what happens. It's a slant because like we want it to be true It sounds amazing like say let's say the metroid stuff that we heard from a special nick Sounds amazing sounds awesome. Holy crud practically almost close to open world really massive zones This sounds incredible. Maybe this could take metroid to the next level Of popularity or whatever everybody's like, but also could also not be real Yeah, and he's not he's not speaking from First-hand knowledge Actually that that brings me to did you read that that uh, that post by Jason Schreyer over on the gaming league subreddit? No, he he posted on that reddit really He usually doesn't but he put up a post on an explanation of rumors reporting and sources And he went really big into second-hand sources single primary source multiple sources documentation In conclusion, it's a very long post and it's pinned by the gaming league subreddit form because Jason Schreyer is obviously considered Like a tom hennerson level of he really knows his shit. He doesn't talk about unless he's 100 sure And he was trying to point out that People get really into rumors and leaks when it's not first-hand information So as an example, which he's not saying you can't talk about you just need to understand the context of that conversation Of what you're having special nick did not see metroid prime for himself No, someone he knows someone he knows that also by the way doesn't work there saw it So that's already like second-hand from it's already one level removed from retro He's another level removed from retro studios and we are a whole another level removed So by the time you hear it through our video, we're like the third or fourth line in that case the cliche It's the cliche definition of what a rumor is you go back to elementary school when it would put you in a lot in a row Uh, telephone Yeah, exactly. That's what it is. There are several people you're it's going through before you get to the the viewer And even though like I know a lot of us country creators We'll give you our opinions and it might slant the thing a certain way But we will often give you here's where it's publicly coming from and the source and the real quotes You could decipher that for yourself, but because it's coming from us where we have a slant um And and just try to doesn't ever say that the slant is bad when you read it What do you read what he posted but he's more so just clarifying like understanding that um why things might seem Very with people that have a reliable track record might seem very Off at times because things are going down the chain in a certain way And sometimes there's only a single primary source, which is some of the least Reliable stuff no matter how much you trust that single primary source Because like like, you know example The stuff we reported on back back with the zelda event and the metro being almost done That was a single primary source and while obviously Hey, that zelda stuff was right nailed it seems very reliable Technically, it's one primary source, which is not as reliable as having multiple different primary sources um and so When you're really confident in that primary source, it's he's not saying you can't talk about it But he he does feel that people that do Need to be more clarifying in their reports so The readers have proper context of hey, I'm reporting on this thing from a reliable source Not source And sometimes people don't clarify that especially when it comes like on tweets and stuff like that so um and then obviously for content creators like he like Jason Schreider doesn't hate youtubers There was a time he was very much against youtube, but he's he's embraced it over the years I mean he now does some stuff on youtube And he's pointed out that like he's got nothing against content creators outside of the fact that they don't always do their due diligence And their research to try to get that clarification And sometimes it's not their fault because the clarification doesn't exist right I'm just gonna step in here real quick. Uh gameberg's looking to head out So I just want to give him a chance to uh plug himself and uh And uh, let us know Sorry, sorry Something came up, but next time if if you have me on again, uh, I will be able to I hate you. You can't come at me. I'm just a full show Cameron's great. What's wrong with you? Do the flood. That's right. Do the catchphrase the catchphrase I have a catchphrase But no, uh, Nate, thanks so much for having me on again, uh, always a blast Uh, as I tell anytime I go on someone's show Love talking to nintendo anytime you need me anytime you want me Gotcha, buddy. I'll make an effort to uh be there. Yeah, just DM me with your next available man Hit me up and super cool to meet tucker and to me eric Yeah, um andress andress and I go go back a few years handful of years So always always Always good to see andress and and chat with him and mike was good to see you again Uh people in the audience, um, if you haven't heard of me, I'm game bird classic. Feel free to check out my channel I'm a nintendo content creator or check channel's been a little slow I've got a few videos in the pipeline and i'm also planning out. Sometimes I do Skits on the channel like comedic a little bit like cinematic skits I have a really fun one that i'm working on. It's gonna be a little bit off switch two related um but I think it's gonna be fun. I think it's gonna be fun I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna roll on you. He's also gonna be on the next episode of heated debate I will I will love to get a debate Take him down. Take him down. Come on. I didn't get heated enough We gotta find a topic that we that we really I think I found one. I found one during the show Oh Andres is loving the podcast now because he's finding new opponents with new topics The more I talk the more I realize things I can for sure when when bo came onto my stream last night I was like, oh bo we could talk about this. Yeah Yeah There we go He's got some definitely some opinions that I would disagree with Maybe you know, you can do it a certain point Andres you could even do You could host heated debates between Yeah, that's like a moderator. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you could uh, uh, referee Hold on. I want to time out both of you Point counter underneath each one You should award uh, do the fake points like what's that after each Oh Yeah Pie the loser, I don't know. I don't even know that show's still around The points don't really matter. Yeah, no, I can see it Yeah, I know I literally know what it is in my head, but I can't remember what it's called I'm gonna be really mad when you figure out what it is to Um He's linked down below and Charles Trudell put it in the chat for you guys so Hell yeah, hell yeah, and guys one more thing. I do have an inside An inside source gave me a huge tip before the show started Allegedly the switch too is gonna have some sort of dual screen mechanic and the official name is going to be the nintendo flip and with that Wait, is this like real right now? What is happening? No, I'm just having fun. I just wanted to leave. I should have said Yeah, no, seriously And when they reveal it you will lose and it will have a cool sound effect your flip in mind Got it later, man. Have a good night, man. Thank you guys. Take it easy Around the horn around the horn that was what I was thinking of yep Yeah, all right. Well now we can talk with the nintendo flip for the rest of the night. Yeah, right? All right, I actually want to throw this at mike. Mike is very quiet Hold on. You know what the uh, the launch game would be he doesn't like the fact that the sound direct isn't happening next week He's like fuck you guys My odyssey is a forever optimist that is for sure I mean I I won't lose nintendo direct predictions are like the greatest showcase of all time every time I want the direct to happen next week I forgot I was a hot cat for a minute there. I was just like I'm like I'll come in on amazon here if I was going to find a pool He's just doing what he does most wednesday is when he's listed in on the show when he's not on So mike you've been a big reporter of 2024 um still be in a possibility and Look, we don't know what the hell's happened in 2024. So this whole topic is really about I mean not just with shoes So you said the best sometimes leaks are put in there for a reason it happened with apple I can tell you officially now that i'm not employed with it anymore It happened with apple they did release a whole bunch of Information out there see where that information was coming out through And they happened to catch the person not only did they fire the person but they jailed the person as well And and and that information was then leaked out to A content creator that covers apple leaks and stuff like that very known very known creator I don't want to say his name because you know, but um That that's how they found out where the leak was coming from and they canned the person and then they they're in jail Because of it, you know this person was that was basically in the position where they knew you know, they worked closely with the with the Marketing department and so marketing department is where you actually know where things are happening in the day You know, and and what's the market? and so When you when you mentioned that i'm like, yeah, i mean it's It sounds it really sounds like it because if we have furukawa who's a guy who's Interested in money wants to you mentioned he wants to protect his money Then then he'll do whatever he can to to to protect um The source isn't because it came out like like uh, i'll do a thing earlier That there could be a possibility that nintendo's and go-to-games come because they're upset of what happened last last year that could also be You know, I mean just imagine that may 7th comes it's the financial briefing and they're like Talking about their forecast for the year and they're just like yeah Um, we have we are you guys keep asking on new hardware. We do have new hardware coming this fiscal year In fact, we have a planned event for it next month and we're planning to launch it by the end of the calendar year March i'll run laps march. Yeah people would just oh no here's the thing The expectations right now are set like so much like oh screw this we're never gonna get this thing It sounds real blah blah blah and all of a sudden nintendo's like no It's actually been coming this year this entire damn time I mean i mean it's it makes sense to cut the the release time frame from announced release That would actually get rid of the You know the dip they they come before a console on so and explains why there's nothing after june I'm still team 2024. I'm optimistic. You know, I I believe I still believe there's nintendo direct coming soon You know because I don't I don't think it's next week or the following But it's coming soon maybe in next month In may you know Because uh, all I know is that there's a couple of empty months in the year And I think by the end of the year they're not gonna be empty anymore So I know I also think I think find it curious I know it's it's weird to bring it up now because I don't think it's happening when he heard it was happening Jeff grove mentioned that metroid event That he was aware of but never really talked about publicly until after he thought it was no longer going to be happening um At least happening when he heard it was going to happen and because he said it was old information from last year And then the epic mickey thing happened in the partner trope case and he said oh well Maybe it's still gonna happen. Yeah, because it was a a related source um That gave an epic mickey rebrush thing that he knew about he's like well, that's why he was like The cool thing about this happening is it's like oh shit um But he he didn't really like that It's not like he thinks like a metroid event wouldn't occur at some point Just that he didn't think it was gonna happen when he heard it was which was me That's when he said it was when he heard it would happen a big Metroid event which would be like a metroid director to probably have Two and three and four is what we would probably presume maybe even an announcement of a new side scrolling one maybe for 2026 or something If they want to go that crazy so many games He didn't clarify what would be in a he's just like if it's a metroid event You can imagine that there there could be a multiple metroid games talked about it But metro prime one did he mention a metroid event? That's what he called it. He said it's supposed to be a metroid Well, maybe he said blow out marketing a marketing like a marketing campaign a marketing campaign or something Yeah, you know a marketing campaign doesn't so like yeah, yeah, I I was like, oh, well, what if there's like a direct But that's a what if you know hoping a maximum and he didn't mention he didn't say it would be a direct So it's kind of like a well, I don't know. Here's what I here's what I'll say Assuming that like the source was right on that and again rumors or rumors or rumors He's not even saying it's gonna happen to me. He's just not like second thinking wait a second It also could be old info could have been before switch two was delayed Yeah, that's what I'm saying, but what a switch two wasn't delayed is my point And the reason it's may is because they're gonna they're gonna announce switch two's existence and and planned release At the investors meeting follow it up with this thing and metroid to do a launch and you were right this whole time And it's launch window and Yeah, that's a metric price and that's why they're holding on metric prime four because they're not showing it until switch two is announced I mean it does make a lot of sense Everything still makes sense for switch two to be this year If you ignore the reports Nothing has happened to make it like just if you just think about nintendo's own actions Everything still kind of sets up for switch two this year Nothing changed their release slate hasn't really changed Hey, no direct at the beginning of the year make a hell of a lot of sense if Their plan is to have switch two in the second half of this year But oh, why didn't they do the march event? Maybe that was bad information too And they said that back at gamescom just to give just because they knew it would get out And they wanted to see who was putting it out there again Maybe that's when they started those feelers and then they did the second feelers with the delay torch Just to see who heard about that I'm just I'm just throwing out there that like If all of that stuff is incorrect, which again, I'm not saying all the switch pro things were incorrect I fully believe there was dev kits and all that but clearly it never hit a point that it was going to come out Even though they all felt like it was going to Because I feel like manufacturing I don't feel like they manufactured mass manufactured a bunch of chips and then threw them out. Yeah So literally it never got to a point that it was being mass manufactured in order for people to feel like it was coming out So the interesting thing is that next week Would be basically the time that nintendo gave us a release window for nx back in 2016 Well, that was because of the financial meeting They announced the dana partnership They they they sometimes do it in april they sometimes do it in may So you're saying that when they announced the nx released a Release month back in That was the april 2016. It was at the financial meeting. Okay. Yeah, of course. Yeah, and that's actually what I'm most excited about Frankly and it sounds kind of weird to be excited. That's probably may 7th is like that next time where it's like We can get a lot of clarification at that point. It's still a long way from knowledge two and a half weeks Yeah, I should officially have patience everyone I think we will hear at least officially a code name for switch I think it will be the first time nintendo acknowledges The the console officially for the code name like how cold are we talking the code code name code name? Yeah, code name No cold They need to present a realistic expect expectations for their their, um, you know, they're their investors Moving forward for the next for the you know, sure the future I'll tell you this I think what it's interesting about this right because I brought the possibility that maybe switch two doesn't come out March 20 25. It comes out even later. Yeah, if we don't find out about it You're moving by By may 7th I will be retiring Finally, yes, no more No, I don't want him to retire I'm just joking. I might retire before may 7th at this rate, but um Dude, you got all these our heated debate gets more views than my videos So I just got to keep showing up on your channel apparently. Yeah, maybe maybe should just do a heated debate every week Every day Every day I'll make it old if it's every day. Just rebrand your channel. He had debates We could become the new Like skip Bayless and steven a smith for a nintendo. Oh Snap I like it I always had an idea of a nintendo based show that was presented like a talk show You know, you have Also, let's realize I promise you go watch the game and talk podcast Rgt's gonna love that I brought it up because Nate the hate was on it. See if Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna respectfully ask you to stop talking I'll do it. Yeah Nda and you're the new eric you talk too much shut up No, I'm like I'm like he said oh on the nintendo show. There's like a talk show. I'm like, um Nda nda the mic honestly show it's still on the on the production. Oh my bad Well, you mean do you have an estimated launch time for episode one? You see I'm waiting on them to send me the damn TV for a part of my french There's something. Oh, yeah, the thing you told us about yeah Yeah, they're sending me a hundred a 100 inch TV Um as like a sponsored thing and so I'm taking this wall down. I'm putting like, uh, I'm rebuilding the wall. I didn't like a like a wood wood Wood slabs wood slabs. Yeah, you like in like the like texture make it look like a talk show, right? Like I'm like a night show. I have a big neon sign that goes in the corner at the with the logo and the name I'm a little chair with the microphone coming up the big giant screen and that part of the that's part of sad that I'm building over here So I'm waiting for that So I can continue but they haven't gotten back to me yet But if if if they don't get back to me in the next I'll see next month Then I'll I'll do it by my 50k I'll release the first the first episode of my courtesy show on my uh 50k uh video Which is by the way, uh, it is a nintendo talk show Uh talker to you. Gotcha. Okay. I'm gonna keep my masha. I gotta I got something going on. I'm gonna keep my masha for now I am not making an internal shock show. I have had I've had conversations about it because because we had a show called nintendo at night Which is a very good Uh, very good name obviously for for that. Yes, that natural sound thing Yeah, well what nintendo at night was is that we would Get in our pajamas and record from our beds And we would talk about that's great memories And so we would read out the comments from our our community members and be like Oh, what are your favorite memories of pokemon? So we'd sit we literally like sit in our beds with our microphones like snuggled up with us And talk about it was it was very fun We only done it a couple times, but then we were like, what if we could like turn this into a talk to a thing? We don't have the time for that. Yeah It's gonna be a lot of work to generate. Um, because it is a talk show I'm actually reducing my schedule from daily to this monday wednesday and friday so that I can produce the entire show And then I already talked to these these these kids behind the scenes about some segments that i'm having Hey grandpa You're invited as well Tucker. Uh, oh, well, yeah, uh, it's gonna be fun, but Could uh think about, um The tonight show They all and just change everything subject to nintendo stuff even like a like an opening monologue comedic With nintendo news, but with a comedic kind of tone to it guests shows games prizes Perfect transition mike let them know where they could find you at. Oh look at that Oh, are we leaving already? Well, you literally it's not early. It's actually late But you were just describing and advertising your chat. Perfect time. All right. You're right. Let's continue that into the sign out You're right. All right. All right. So thank you. Thank you name. Thank you name. So, yeah, um My goddess show coming soon. Hopefully the theater new you uh first episode And um, you can find me at the odyssey All right now i'm doing uh daily videos normal normal one topic daily videos breaking news topics term trending instead of doing like multiple stories Sure. Um And so hopefully once I get the show done and ready It's going to be it's going to be a nintendo talk show. So it's going to be 10 news 90 entertainment and we're going to have also um My goddess show monday wednesday and friday will have um my goddess live the my goddess show live tuesday and wednesday and on saturdays we'll have like a little um the last saturday of every month will have The my goddess live super show Which is a giveaway show. It's like i'll bring my subscribers on camera with me And we'll do like a talk show just doing nintendo trivia. You can win a nintendo The the big prize is always going to be the hundred dollar gift card for the e shop But you can win a ten dollar 15 dollar you're gonna have you have to win your way up to the hundred dollar gift card So it's like a the urinal deal kind of uh or like a millionaire You know until that hundred dollar gift card. Uh, and then uh in the christmas edition i'm giving out all my secrets Christmas edition. It's the same game But nintendo switch And then hopefully one nintendo super nintendo world opens. It'll be a trip to super nintendo world holy mackerel I live right right here. So I can actually supply people A party of four to my house You guys can stay in in uh in uh in our in our guest room And when I will drive you myself to super nintendo world, we'll go in We'll have a little the nicest guy ever made I don't think mike odyssey himself is going to be driving. Oh, yeah, not me I never drive myself. I was like wait a second. Yeah, I'll have a I'll have a uh a nuber guy Show for yeah, yeah, but that's a possibility because I have a super nintendo world's right next to me. They're building it That's awesome So, I mean that's all the plans. Hopefully I make it But You guys see what happens. Oh, yeah, so earlier My my my mouth gaved because I thought someone randomly gifted five 50 memberships and It it it they did it was you though. So there are well, it's your channel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Not that big a deal when it's me. Yeah, but now it's someone else. So Yeah, oh, holy shit. Yeah. Yeah, exactly Yeah, I still haven't got a demo. Are you trying to challenge me right now? Shit What's wild though is you're seeing a lot of people who don't normally like respond Yeah, we have a lot of people to watch but don't don't actually say anything in the chat It's crazy. How many how many members are there? Uh, I I don't know what I'm at before tonight. It's 50. It's 50. I'm like it's big I'm just saying that the memberships are showing lurkers Yes There's just people who like to watch sit back watch a show and eat. Yeah, that's what's lurking is It's not lurking. That's just being part of the part of the show Lurking is not a bad thing lurking is great. I like the word lurker I I lurk on a lot of andre's restart nintendo prime videos. I'm out myself. I don't leave comments particularly often That's fine. I I don't like commenting on videos either Hey, I'm a lurker. I wish more people would come I will say this as like a content creator like I always want people to like and leave comments I don't think I like and leave comments on any video I watch ever I know you mean I will share once in a while a video with people or I will Yeah, I don't I just don't really I don't know I I make sure to always like and I need to like I need to like I need to like I need to start making sure that I like videos That I actually truly enjoy because I I'm I'm not like a lot of people where you watch for like a minute and But I actually watch the entire video and I need to start making sure that the videos I really like like why did I for a moment wanted to bring up nintendo forecasted it dude? I love his content. It's amazing I'm trying to work out getting them on on a podcast. He actually sounds like he might be he's a uk creator He sounded like he actually might make the time coming up in june To actually be on our show live at our normal time So I won't have to move before on which is pretty cool because he didn't want me to You know move everything for one person which I understand so And I mean we have done it before but I mean I think he's coming from the perspective He's a smaller creator and he doesn't want me to make everyone else move for him Although I'd be willing to because he's awesome, but it is hard when I move because You know people work have jobs through the day. So like it's really hard I mean I can get I just restart to come on if he knows ahead of time You know, maybe my goddessy but like I can't get like the normal crew or normal amount of people Like when we do the kitten crystal ones, like they always want to do it noon Like eric was on the one time he had take off work to come do that like so it's uh, it's it's I know well enough in that Yeah, yeah, what with them? I always know well enough in advance. So anyways, uh, I that's one of the things I don't think I've ever dropped a like on his videos and yet I've watched every single video of his for like the last month And I think it actually is a really good practice for me to get into one It also helps the algorithm starts suggesting me more videos. I actually like there's that point. Yeah So I might not always comment and also I think if I do comment, I should probably should do it for my main account anyways if I did so um Because I might comment I've noticed when I do comment on other channels tends to get more attention because I got the check mark next to me Yeah, yeah, it's interesting when I get like a comment from like bow or andres It like pops up. It gives me a notification on my phone Which it doesn't happen with other people. It's like a big channel. It gives you a bigger channel. Yeah I've noticed too when I comment like there was one time I commented on a Linus Tech Tips video with my main account And then Literally within five minutes of the comment it got hard and I did it like four days later Which means somebody at Linus Tech Tips got the notification that I commented and they read it and it's like, oh So that's the power of the check mark, which is cool. But also maybe I So and I gotta be a little more Use my other accounts to talk unless I specifically You know one want to do something like that on those bigger channels But I've gotten I've gotten a kind of compliment here and there every every blue moon for me on a channel Yeah, I comment every once in a while sometimes a minor correction. Usually really minor or it's just hey good point. I like this That's what I don't I don't really leave a lot of comments in general So I I also noticed that and maybe just the kind of videos that I make but that they don't get a lot of comments I mean, I was even just looking today like there's a there's a two week gap Between the the last comment and then a comment. I got a day ago two weeks and nobody And I was like damn I want I want to know what people are thinking and now to be fair Most people watching my videos are in my discord community and we talk about our videos and we talk about the topic So it's not like I'm the I'm getting no one talking about it. But it's just funny. It's like two weeks It's a long time without a comment Yeah, then then start the start start the episode with a question Yeah, well that's Yeah, that's that's the like point of our videos though. Is there about Questions and then we just kind of like go through it and so It also again, mostly people watching my videos are in the community and they're the ones submitting comments previously for the video Yeah, sure. Absolutely because what we do and I think what is so is so fun about um about having a community that's interested is We format our conversations around the comments that we get previously And so they get to be a part of the conversation shift and like shape it as it's going and it's been really fun I mean some of the some of the more recent stuff we've done just like Getting some really like in-depth comments in there. I usually I just go through paste them into a Google doc trim it down. So it's not like 10 paragraphs. Uh, but that's a lot of fun Yeah, I mean it was by the way guys, I'm really glad Tucker's talking about the stuff you need to go check out his channel What's your channel name again? Backlog banter. Yeah, it was actually Charles Trudell just linked it Yeah, you guys should go subscribe to his channel man. It is a really good content as well I like the name and I like I like growing small like look Uh, I first noticed Tucker when he was on a thing I was on just restart channel and I was like dude I love The whole he's got makes really good points. He knows what he's talking about. He's well talked and by the way, um He also sounds pretty good. He's got a nice little sound set up. So thank you Yeah, uh, it all kind of lines up where I kind of think this guy would be good to have on the show sometimes So I'm glad to have you on man. I hope to have you on obviously get in the future Same thing. I took gamer classic just DM me and tell me man. I got Wednesday's galore open up You just tell me you can schedule a month off We have like like I know in saffron city tv is coming on again She literally schedules right after like the day after she comes on the show. She schedules like a month. So um, I try to encourage all of my guests to do that because Uh, especially while I have you here because hey for me Uh, it's a lot of work. I'm talking to a lot of different people to put together the show So like it's nice if some people would just come to me and just tell me It's a lot easier that way. Yeah Um, especially if you're having a good time, you don't want to come back on it's fine. I understand I'm kind of an asshole Eric, what are you got going on? Mr. Babyface For a moment I did the camera freeze Nope, I'm here That's it Wednesdays and other special occasions sometimes. Yes, like maybe he'll be potentially don't know But maybe he'll be your uh summer game fest night for that that livestream Let me know it's a it's a night and you know, they do it at night. Yeah, let me know I have a feeling this next sg. I think it's a pretty good of june. I don't know you can look it up I've got I've got all my calendar because I'm a fucking nerd. Hold on. I don't have it on my calendar yet June 7th summer game fest. Yeah. Yeah, probably. Yeah. What what day is that friday? Okay, it's friday Yeah, I mean, I don't think I have anything going on cool Sounds good to me. Uh, mr. Ravenclaw over there the only person to get a super chat to change their name Oh, is that how that works? Wait, could someone have changed my name? They could have They did it. They changed my I changed my own name. Hey, because apparently 137 people watching right now Frankly disappointed in you frankly Only cock and balls for all I can Be better next time Be weird and creepy and change my name. He's telling you it is an open is open season A jake rattle came on here and told everyone it was a gay porn star. That's the kind of guy I am like, hey, you know Wait, didn't tell you is it it became a gay porn star right after yeah, it's been three hours. I've had so much time All right, mr. Ravenclaw, what do you got going on? Well, I'm officially now announcing my retirement tour. It's going to last somewhere between 50 and 70 years Yeah, that's pretty good. Make sure to watch my channel while it lasts While it lasts Yeah, I might last longer than youtube itself does. We'll see. Yeah, we'll see my retirement tour youtube. We'll see what happens What's happening first? We don't know what are you doing? Um prime gaming fest this year What do you mean? Oh, he's talking to me. Yeah, no There will never be another prime gaming fest. Oh, no, it is done It is dead By the way, this doesn't mean i'll never do a giveaway event again. We ain't doing prime gaming fest There is no multi three five seven day long thing not happen anymore. Okay. Okay, so it's canceled I announced it last year. This isn't even new news. I think that's the end of prime gaming fest last year Are you sure like that like the entire day thing or no? For summer game fest. Yeah, uh, that is something I don't know about because that's not based on giveaways That's based on events. So if there's events going on. Yes. Oh, I guess we call it prime gaming fest It's not giving no no not happening. I still have my t-shirt. I spent money I still wear my sweatshirt on videos It's now retro it's retro collection. It's like a classic now. It's like, uh, yeah We still sell that stuff by the way, but now it's just going to be for people who are in the know So like a decade from now when i'm a million subscriber youtube channel Remember that million subscriber channel one year from now one year 10 years. I'm going 10 Well, what I will say is Uh If that happens it will very much be retro at that point because very few people the channel would even know What the hell prime gaming fest is you would have literally had to be here before because I prime gaming fest Julia told me I was doing it before we even had 100,000 subscribers. Hmm. So there's never been one planned after 100k. So Okay, I'm just saying you had to be here It was fun times, man I really enjoyed it and I might do I'm not saying there won't be a show that might feel I won't feel the same, but there might be a show eventually um That is a one-off, but it won't be prime gaming fest It's gonna it's gonna be more so a celebratory show because we hit a certain number of subscribers Okay. Okay. That makes sense. But that it's so far off. I'm not even really planning it It's more so There's an idea for it. Okay But that again, it's a one-off thing. So Yeah I mean think mr. Beast signing 7 million t-shirts. I saw that episode dude I said hey man Except it may be split in half and half are just Eric and half are me and I really apologize if you get Eric's signature I do too Half of them might have dicks drawn on them. We never know Just just a random, you know signed it and then just hide a dick somewhere on it You can put you know, you do you put dicks on the inside. I mean, yeah So imagine that I pre-buy like a million t-shirts and I only sell like 10 We've been thinking about doing a small t-shirt run because we have we had you know what I could do with those shirts I can get rid of all my foam pads. I could just line my whole office in shirts layers and layers for sound dampening Or I just spent $300,000 on t-shirts Then there you make the video and then the video makes some money you make a little bit of back It's actually an investment. It's an investment in the hundred dollars. I might make a video then I cover my my studio in t-shirts So we're even close left before you can say where he's at. He's andress restart You can find him everywhere. Andress restart is heard. I don't know what he's doing right now Oh, whoa, whoa, hold on. They put the tissues away No, he's doing He had to go read he didn't want us to see his face reaction to being told He just got exclusive information on the next direct and he's like, I don't want people to see my face reaction right now Listen, I forgot I forgot something really quick. Very important like strictly important I'm moving Okay, I'm selling this out. We're selling the house No, so I wasn't counting on that when I was like, wait a minute. We're moving So you're gonna put panels up in a house that you're not gonna live in? That's the thing I'm not going to do that anymore. That that was said earlier this today with my wife. I'm like, wait, I'm not doing that anymore Um, we're doing it in the next house. So the mic gotta she show might begin Everything's getting revamped to that point then. Yeah, so at the yeah Forget what I said everything forget everything I said. I'm doing the mic got it. She's so Now he's moving to a smaller place and gonna have to do it out of his car It's the opposite of moving to a bigger place like we'll have a bigger studio Oh man, your studio might be bigger than mine then the the studio's gonna be like this this room Like twice this room and then another room. Oh my god. Yeah, you're gonna make you're gonna make my studio look tiny Because I feel like I have a lot of space then again I've already been sort of given permission to expand to do another room. That's like the same It's just this one if I ever need to It'll be when I'm hiring people at that point. The thing is that you guys know that my father a lot passed away last year Yeah, uh, and so what we're doing is basically there's there's she's selling her house We're selling our house would work where she's moving in with us. We're buying a five bedroom four bedroom house but there's being built and then I I told him to do a Sort of a three car garage or two or four car garage so that I can take half of it And then cover it up and then just turn that into the studio. So basically When you see the mice running in the back All right, uh, well Andres did you tell people where you're at? I kind of did while you were doing your vanishing neck If you're watching the stream, you don't know how Andres restart is what's wrong with you And he should be bigger than me. He should already be at a hundred k should already have happened But whatever I wasn't maybe at the end of the retirement tour and by the end in 57 50 to 70 years Um, obviously you guys know I'm I'm the host of nintendo prime You can find me everywhere podcasts are not just heard because yes the audio version will finally go back up um, but also, uh, look I I'm just gonna say this, uh, enjoy this podcast. Well, it lasts because We have one more episode left in season two That's episode 69. By the way, a perfect way to end. Uh, nice. Congratulations to end season two Um, I'm not yet sure if the next season is going to be called season three If I'm just gonna kind of just let it be episode one because reboot the podcast is getting rebranded Um, you'll still be able to find on the same playlist like if you already have the playlist set You already have all of our podcasts like saved as a favorite It'll it'll still be that we're not going to make you guys have to follow a new place or a new channel or any of that stuff Uh, we'll just rename it. Uh, but there's going to be a a slight rebranding. Well, a slight rebrand It's a pretty big rebrand, uh, but it's it's still going to be a nintendo podcast And there's going to be some significant changes to the podcast andres is aware of all the changes or most of them Anyways, I give them a big long text about it before Uh, I think it's going to be it's going to be a very different show than what you know now much Much more focused more nudity Squirrel much more it's going to be only jake randall and he's going to be it's going to be shorter shorter episodes Um, but much more focused conversations Uh, and yeah, maybe even potentially eventually A small interview segment with guests well That that that bobby won't be there the very first episode So we're just going to get all the changes in place first and ride with it for a bit And then I'll slowly implement some of the other stuff. I'm thinking so more more close We're still gonna have guests like the same old guests We're still we still want to have like up to six people every every show and all that stuff So that that bar doesn't change you guys will see hopefully you guys agree that it's positive changes And if you hate it well, I'm really sorry I'm always trying to make things to progress Uh To This is kind of how I have been as a content creator if you say stagnant and stay the same too long People get bored. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta always evolve into new things vg news This I'm still gonna cover nintendo rumors and all that but I need something to do when there is none of that stuff going on That's what vg news is for even vg news is going to evolve eventually because there's already future plans for it That once we get into the heyday like people think oh, you're just a gent I'm like, no, no, I'm not actually even trying to replace spawn with Eventually vg news might only be a once a week show rebranded to vg news No, no, no, it's just video game news But I do the chance that I might that it eventually won't be a five day a week It'll be a three day a week and then eventually two day a week and then eventually just one day Once we get into the heyday a switch because we are nintendo first And as I'm driving content for all these big nintendo games It's going to take time away from being able to do vg news But that does mean when we have that episode which will probably be fridays, right? Like it's the most realistic or a saturday one of those two days um that when that happens the vg news is also going to be evolved and be Even more insane than it already is. Oh, yeah Because you have a whole week worth of stuff going into it a whole week of research a whole Yeah, it's going to be crazy also probably long like 35 45 minutes But I'm I'm I have some plans, but for right now What's really cool about vg news is I can always expand it out to do it more than more than once a week when news is slow For nintendo So it's kind of neat that I have a show that can shift like that and you guys might get mad. Oh, it's not consistent It's consistently awesome That's what I care about Anyways, thank you guys for being here One more episode of the nintendo prime podcast before it's called something else Oh, look at that So enjoy it might be an emotional week next week Bye everyone Thank you for the three people who subscribed to me during this That's a good number. That's a good number. Yeah, I'll take three, but hey, we're at 169. Look at that 169 Hell yeah, you have to wait till you get on to heated debate