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I honestly I don't think I've ever reacted to an interview of him or even I've only seen him get trolled is what I'm trying to say I Don't really know You know I'm saying what he's all about But this is Tommy Robinson the on tone story and I ain't got no strikes on YouTube So I'm gonna be unfiltered Don't say nothing I don't like or don't give a vibe cuz like I'm here You're right Tommy. How are you? I'm white mate. I should have wore blazer fit me That's how I feel. I feel I'm in the straight jacket. I'll put on a bit of weight You're one of the most contrary. I feel like he's trying to break the tension with jokes Controversial figures within the UK. So let's start off. How did it all begin? Is that good? Is it and what is that a good thing to be controversial? Um, how does how did it all start? started in 2009 is when people would have heard of me soldiers homecoming parade in Luton and The soldiers are giving the freedom of the city to march through and then I went down there on it was a Tuesday I went down my cousin's pay more specs In that regiment we had a lad from Luton Scott Manmach from Farley Hill who had died 26 years old We had another lad who I grew up with same area and he'd lost his legs 19 years old and This regiment were actually they're broken pre peace. They went out there at war this regiment Yeah, they were training training out there and um, and they were attacked. They were called baby killers But she's a bachelor. They won the soldiers mums for spat in her face as a large group of Muslims attacked them It wasn't the fact that they were attacked by the Muslims for me that this was the final straw for me Yeah, it wasn't the fact that they were attacked It was the fact that what we found out is that every mosque was leafleted about this event to attack the troops Yeah, we knew nothing nothing gov I remember turned up in the morning seeing police everywhere. There's a lot of police here Now I'm looking over and seeing 30 women in burqas four niqabs 30 of them together and then I saw safe for Islam is the sort of Islam He's the main radical remember at this time. There was a group called al-Mujredin and um, most people in the country Wouldn't know who they were 60% of the terrorists in jail ex-members of this group. This is Abu Hamza Omar Bakri The world's most famous terrorists run this group. Do you know where their head office was? It was in biscuit meal in Luton The head office was literally in in our town and they used to recruit every Saturday outside Don Miller's bakery every Saturday They're there with their past tables. They were openly openly talking about and praising the fact that they were sending people to fight against British forces and the soldiers had the Freedom and I remember watching I stood and watched at our town hall as the police opened the town hall And they marched this group of bearded Muslims through the town hall. I don't think what's going on here And then just heard all the commotion the police had marched them through and took them out the back to be right on the front From me to you of our soldiers and they spat and they attacked and they screamed And listen on their views on the war I'm totally sympathetic. Yeah, an unjust war millions of people dis-homed killed in a war for money Take that to the government. Yeah, I scream in the politicians faces for all you want I'd support you on it Our soldiers square allegiance to Queen and country. I don't choose which war they go into Yeah, they're putting the difficult positions and in those wars. They had their hands tied behind their back at the same time so So it was upsetting for everyone it was emotional for me to watch what they done On a day that we're supposed to be showing our pride and our respect in the men that are whose job it is to protect us They were attacked and it was the fact the police took them through to do it So then our in response that I set up a group called the United People of Luton And we attempted and it wasn't straight after that It was there was a St. George's Day parade two weeks later And there was a massive hysteria over what happened in Luton and every time you hear of Luton Well, anyone anyone in the country here's of Luton is to do a terrorism whether it be the stock home bother The fertilizer bomb plot orchestrated and planned from Luton There was one of the al-Qaeda masterminds a geese called Q. Yeah He was a taxi driver and also worked in a chicken shop in Luton. He's one that masterminds of al-Qaeda He's right. He's just working in chicken. But that's the day-to-day. Yeah, so when this group Roger Roger Ibrahim he called it he changed the name to Ibrahim Hanson I used to hang around with him as a kid. He's what he's the big ginger convert radical He's now in jail for terrorism safe most of them are all now in prison for terrorism But at the time they had free reign in the town they were recruiting and radicalizing and so I remember watching it that day and Thinking a previous to this is 2009 in 2004 when they first come to light for us They were that's when they were sending people to fight against our forces in 2004 I organized a demonstration called band the loot and Taliban and I literally got our football element of support of lads And I went to Don Miller's we went on a Saturday to to let them know they're not allowed there on and They're not allowed to recruit for terrorists in our town center Well, the police might think that's okay the council might support that whatever's going on, but they're not going to to us and And they weren't there that day it worked, but then the fallout from that I was targeted and I was what was I then I was 21 young lad I was targeted by the Not the radical jihadists, but the Pakistani drug gangs for years then after that So when the English defense league come about and I watched this I Wanted to say something and I wanted to make a standard by but I also knew the consequence Hence the name Tommy Robinson and I wore a mask for no one knew who I was for a year It took a year before I was exposed to I was so I was reading on the internet There's all this hysteria about who is this guy and who's the leader and people saying I said government It's the government. They're trying to bring in martial law. That's what the far right was saying. It's all planned and No group can become this big this quick With PR and all this and and it because it did just go like that even for me, man I was working on a building site and Within a couple of months. I was leading the biggest biggest street protest movement Europe scene and it was like whoa So when did you start getting these these views and ideas yourself for me? So they it was so 2009 was the cuff point and it and I remember saying that I feel like he's trying to make it sound like Or it sounds like I started this for just calls in my mind Now the people who backed me might have had this element to them that you know That racial that racist element to it. That's what I heard Time when it happened. I said if we don't do say it now Yeah, in lieu if we don't do something about these men then what's next. They've just attacked our troops Yeah, next is a soldier's funeral next is a primary school of kids Next that and it was the fact that they're given free reign It's like the council and the police had never said no so like you can go Okay, the police won't do the right thing so let me get together with With whoever will come and do the right thing if that's the case For this particular incident This is okay But I'm pretty sure there's been a ton of stuff that's happened There was the real reason why people don't like if you go put in anti-guards of war protests looting You'll see safely Islam sort of Islam leading thousands yeah, and they're marching out and that's they're singing kaiyubak Who but they're singing about? Historic and I look at everything because I'm because I'm from the town and I'm looking they're all wearing balaclavas And they're shouting about death to the Jews yeah And kaiyubak I verse of Muhammad massacred 600 Jews the head of them all yeah back 1,400 years ago and that's what they're chanting about they're chanting about the Jews and and also there was a When Jewish families remember in the Holocaust in Luton when I was probably about 18 Loads of Muslims turned up outside the town hall No, but don't lay to those Muslims. Those are jihadists this group and they had kids with them and had to barricade and lock themselves inside the town caught himself I'd group and they had kids with them and had to barricade and lock themselves inside the town hall I'd seen I got the first opportunity. I get if anyone goes on YouTube puts in Tom Robinson Oxford University You're seeing a dress up. I get I get there which has had now three four million views It's one of my only videos are still online. Yeah, but It was the first opportunity I got to say to people because people know me you know me by headlines You judge me by those headlines. Yeah, you don't know where I'm from you don't know my upbringing You don't know what I've seen and it's first opportunity. I got to give those people I said like listen take yourself out of your comfort zone surely oxford universities You probably have quite privileged upbringing sure some of you may not have but I doubt very much many of you are from a working-class upbringing Yeah, let me take you through my life growing up for example when the Twin Towers here in In September 11th on my estate We had magnificent 19 posters of the 19 suicide bombers where they were celebrated Yeah, and I showed all this in the Oxford Union speech I showed the posters said look like when you went to the shop after that you might not have seen that Whoa That's what I saw and you might not have had a relative I've had we've had a relative who was groomed raped by gangs of Pakistani men Yeah, and the police done nothing other than tell us tell the family that she's a drug addict Yes, she's 14 or 15 hooked on heroin sold to them by the gangs. Yeah, that is that they've got her This is the whole grooming. So when I've done first that done that demonstration in 2004 Yeah, and the loot and Taliban I made leaflets and the leaflet is true to my word to today Yeah, it's true to everything. I say today Muslims are not a problem Individual Muslims are not a problem in the right. We're talking about radical Muslims and radical gangs I said I said in that leaflet whites and blacks are being racially and religiously targeted in this town Yeah, and no one's doing anything about it. Yeah, it's never about whites simply because I'm from Lou and white English People in my nori may you line up all the people I love vast majority of them aren't white. Yeah, but the Every time I hear white, I mean a Caucasian person say that it normally be a red flag But I'm hearing them right now. I do hear a little bit. I Need to see these leaflets and these I need to see the evidence These are the issues that need speaking about so I've done that in 2004 I spoke about the issues and when the English defense when the English defense league was formed Just enough enough. I said like something's got out change here. Yeah, but so thus far like I said, I Feel like he's done all of this This is what is make if I was somebody who didn't know about him or nothing I'll be looking at this like, okay. He's fighting for just cause It's what it sound like but then the groups that he put together were just a Bunch of people though that he can't control who joins the groups but a bunch of people who have some similar views but also have Some wilder views that are not the same as if you get what I'm saying because I've watched the challenge change I've watched the freedom disappear. I've watched the council and I'll give another example of this And when things when we started the English defense league the council after about 12 months They set up a meeting with me Luton council and they invited me down They put a camera down like this and they had about 10 of them sat there and a baron S They sent her to choose all I can see is Niko in the night. Oh Niko in the Oh Black lady a baron S come and there was all counselors and all Luton council and they invited me down They put a camera down like this and they had about 10 of them sat there and a baron S They sent her to choose a black lady a baron S come and there was all counselors and all all these important people anyway And they said tell us what's wrong. I said, oh, I'll tell you what's wrong And there's 10 and 10 of them. There was one muslims chap there. So where'd you live some organs? Where'd you live that happened? Where'd you live hitching? Where do you live? Yeah, I went through where all of them lived none of them lived in Luton Yeah, I said you live in Luton dinner to the muslim fella said yeah, you represent your community I said you lot are trying to represent us You don't know who we are in the sense of you're not from the same upbringing as us You haven't lived on the street the streets of a town like this Yeah, you don't understand what we're talking about and I said and I do another thing and I've done it with a journalist I went up to the so Farley Hill, which has changed demographically now, yeah, but Farley Hill was one the most poorest deprived estates in the country, okay White working-class estate in Luton. Yeah, and I took I took my I said you see this park. Yeah, that's from the 1970s Look at the state of this. Yeah, look here This is what and you see this recreation center if our kids the kids on here want to go play in there They've got a pay for three pound ahead or four pound ahead. Let's go down the hill to the muslim community That's a 350,000 pound of the state of the art park. Yeah, that's what they've got Yeah, let's go. Let's look at everything's free. Yeah, everything's free because they regent They classed it as a regeneration area the entire muslim community. So the kids going to go to the recreation centers It's free. Yeah, I said like you have forgot us and and neglected us Yeah, and that's a fact and these sorts of things are the reason that currently White working-class kids are the biggest academic failures in in the UK. Yeah, if you look through mine when we look at minorities if we talk about Going to university I think it's only 8% of white children white working-class kids who are on free school meals end up at university It's nearly 30 or 40% of my diverse minorities There's reasons for this year and this is so when I'm talking to the council I said all these things I said like listen, this this is what you've done and I said and Comparison does something comparison if you compare and compare and compare to what you do And you don't have instead of going out and just going to go change the situation It is it'll do something to you on the inside You know I'm saying it'll really do something to you. It'll make you evil and you don't even know you be coming that evil person But all I can hear right now is comparison comparison comparison comparison I Feel like the people that's coming over there Who's who he said it was it was all free because it was it was something right reclassification or something What did he say? I Feel like they stopped comparing and went out and did something at that point You know I'm saying everybody there is not Not Taliban know you give them saying they're not the negative. What about the people that are they deserve? What about the people that come? They come across Or they come from where they come from war torn and never had nothing Haven't had a good meal and you know I'm saying they deserve it too. They deserve you know, I don't know Like they they y'all been there I'm just happy. I'm just speaking hypothetically like I don't know all of it, but Y'all from Luton, right, but y'all been there you saying we forgot about y'all. No, I don't think they forgot about y'all But y'all been there what what are y'all doing to change the situation besides? You know I'm saying but I also get That there was probably a not a was a lack of opportunity in Certain areas, I don't know. I'm just you know With the Muslim fellow he said yeah, but we're against the extremists I said mate I'll go online and show you a video where Thousands come out of Berry Park and the men they're led by almas redeemed this terrorist that is now prescribed terrorist organization They are the Nazis of the millennium. That's who they are. Yeah, let's not pretend who they are They're the most radical extreme jihadists now if they were Nazis You'd never see the rest of Luton or our community following Nazis They're following Nazis if I open my curtains tomorrow, and I see Bomber jackets dr. My boots and promoting hatred against everyone. That's not why they're getting removed by us You know in Luton, we're removing them and we've had this stance from day doc would be removing them I said you haven't removed them. You haven't even confronted them Yeah, this group have been in and I try to explain it in the sense that Berry Park is a small close-knit Muslim community Yeah, and they say these numbers are small 200 almas redeemed activists Yeah, but they're very dedicated and they operate every day of the week outside mosques setting up past tables Radicalizing if you don't if you if we reverse the roles and you have a close-knit white English community And the rest of the town is not white and not Muslim and in this in this little close-knit thing There's 200 Nazis. Yeah, and all they do all day is promote hatred against everyone That's not that's not right. Yeah, if you don't think you're gonna see explosion of violence an explosion of problems Coming out of that community. You're insane Yeah, and what we've seen and only when we formed the English defense league I actually contacted the loot so when we formed the United People of Luton We held one rally the police stopped us they stopped us get into the War Memorial and the reason so we wanted to get to War Memorial to pay our respects and they blocked us and they kept with us for three hours My auntie had to urinate in the street the police come up to us and they put their hands They searched us they put their hands in my pockets all of us lined us up They made us take our shoes off. I said I watched that you walk them through the town hall Yeah, you walked jihadis like most people didn't know what a jihadi was at that time Yeah, we I did because I've been researching. I said you walked extremists through our town hall to attack us And here you are stopping searching us and then they didn't just stop and search us They smashed most of the lads were battens on horses as a video put in your night people loon you see the first demonstration and That after the way they treat us in the first demonstration that they created they created me they create yeah No, it's a curiosity then do you reckon if you wasn't born in Luton you'd still have the same use no no No, no No, if I wasn't born it not at all because when I I remember doing a debate Yeah, that's not it We said some of the same views now because he wasn't a product of that environment at the point at that time, right? That's you can ask that question anybody that answers gonna be no As well with I wasn't born in not at all because when I remember doing a debate as well with on multiculturalism And I was discussing it with this professor and when we got on the live stream It's like it's on some Russian channel, and he's from the UK and I said, ah, mate Well, where are you? And he was in Brussels. I said you're in Brussels. Okay, where were you born? XR you grew up in XR. Yeah, and you're the expound multiculturalism 99.9999% white Yeah, that's where you've grown up and you're gonna tell me that I know nothing Yeah in the town that I've grown up. I said that's like reading a book on bricklaying and thinking you can build a house, bro Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about Hey, he's not wrong Hey, he is not wrong I is not wrong like like let me put it into perspective like That's like somebody with zero views Zero subs Telling me how to get subs Okay What's somebody telling you what I'm saying? That's how he just broke it down And I think that my my experience in multiculturalism and growing up in that town is where I have the For some people say I saw I saw David Cameron say multiculturalism has failed Yeah, he come out made a speech saying that Angela Merkel come out and said a speech saying that a lot of the leaders come out And that's a weak Cowards way out. Yeah, because multiculturalism hasn't failed if you come to lune Yeah, it in the sense that you line up all my friends. We're all sons of immigrants Yeah, my mom was an Irish immigrant. We when my mom come in no blacks. No dogs. No Irish. Yeah, we are all Okay When your mom got to lute and my mom was an Irish immigrant We when my mom come in no blacks. No dogs. No Irish We are all from that stock and that background, but if you we're all integrated and assimilated, yeah What's failed is Islam? The Islamic community failed to integrate and you're blaming everyone else No one can sit in and tell me the Sikh community failed and that and that they've been a failure in multiculturalism in the UK You just can't do it the biggest home owners the most successful business owners Yeah, family orientated then so certain communities like that the Hindu the Sikh the Jewish community Well, you're just gonna throw them because because they haven't failed. Yeah, the Irish community didn't fail We haven't failed. Yeah to integrate Islam has and there's reasons for that. There's a reason why there's Islamic goes There's a reason why there's non-integration. There's a reason why there's no assimilation There's reasons for it and it's to do with Islam. And so that's so I've always spoke about Islam Yeah, and Islamic immigration and the problems from Islam. So I've always separated that I've never been on the immigration In its whole sense as well. Who was your biggest influences growing up? growing up my Do you mean just growing up or do you mean in my politics both? Most he keeps fixing that jacket that motherfucker ain't gonna get no looser my boy You might as well get white teed up like me It's over with not growing up Growing up my my dad Who's actually my stepdad, but he's not he's my dad He's a Scottish Scottish man from Glasgow hard-working man and a great father Only siblings. Oh, yeah, I've got one to my real dad Yeah, I ain't seen my real dad's probably since I was about 11 But I knew used to see him on birthdays as well. I had turned up on birthdays and I didn't call him dad I called him Malcolm because he didn't warrant being called dad. Yeah Don't think DNA makes you a father as such so I so yeah my dad and then And my mum was one of eight children large fire large Irish family So I looked up to I guess even I look I heard a lot about football violence as a young kid because a Lot of my mum's brothers were involved in that scene In Luton, it's called the Luton mix mix is the Men in Gears a football gang And so I Would have looked up to a lot of the men involved in that or listen to an main and and even that I think that's what so Luton's football firm. It was known throughout the country is being diverse. Why and blacks and men? I looked up to growing up were a raster men because they were the most respected on the terraces He's just trying to explain himself a lot like he wants like he's trying to get like like Like You get what I'm like it just feels like he's just trying to prove himself To be other than what people say he is A lot of explanations going on here My friend is this my friend is that okay? The men I looked up to growing up were raster men because they were the most respected on the terraces in Luton But that's just part and then I think that searching for identity which most people are Most people joining the English fence league was searching for identity. Most people think you convert to Islam and searching for identity I think we're in a total identity breakdown Especially if you're English because I feel that every other Group is encouraged to celebrate who they are And again, I'll give you an example for St Patrick's Day in Luton. There's a free day festival So if you're Irish there's a big massive celebration Where everyone's proud to be Irish and they're allowed to be proud to be Irish and great great For st. Lucian's there's a st. Lucian festival. They have fairgrounds about rides and parks When it's Eid there's a massive well funded. I think the government the council pay money into fairgrounds Everything up in the park st. George's Day band band That's what I grew up watching. Yeah, and I remember ringing At the start of the English defense league when it was like, oh don't we need to start challenging a lot of these things I rang up ignorant high school of st. George's Day An ignorant high school sent out a letter to all the parents my mates kids were there Saying if anyone brings in the emblem of st. George, they'll be sent home from school And I rang up the school and said we went we got put banners all around the school after I said, what what's going on? Yeah, well, you can celebrate it out of school hours. Yeah Okay, when Pakistan won the cricket at the same school. Yeah, you flew pakistan flags Yeah But the english kids so what are you telling the english children that they should be ashamed of who they are That they can't celebrate who they are that they have that loss of identity and I think I even searched was searching for an identity I think I found mine at football. Yeah, that's where I found my identity my part of that football culture. Um But So that is a problem a big problem. No, that is a problem. I hear you That is a problem the way he just broke it down that sounded like a problem to me But you can't identify and be proud of who you are as a person That is wrong When other people are allowed to and you can't It's just, you know, you can't be over-extreme about it But I don't think that's the case in this this particular incident he's talking about Across the uk. That's why instead of cockney rhyming slang most people are speaking Jamaican. Yeah They're searching to be someone. They're not And I think it's important to install Who you are historically who you are where you've come from Um and pride in that because if you had pride if we had pride even when I look at lute I think if you had pride, none of this would be happening But we've lost our pride lost our pride in everything as well has obviously with your views being Very controversial. Have any of your family turned your turn their back on yourself or any friends? um Yeah, I've had problems since black lives matter A lot of problems Which has been the most upsetting time I'd say for me Um because I wear the hat being against Islam if I walk out of that road and someone stabs me to death, you know I believe in that When I made comments against black lives matter a lot of people took it as I was against blacks I can't wear that hat because that's not who I am What was the comments? Because I got comments for them too. I don't back black lives matter. Let's be real Because because there were individuals within that group that took advantage of what was going on and as a whole I cannot back that You know, I'm saying it's tainted But I you know, I still step I'm still prideful. I still you know Believe in the freedoms that should be had and and things of that nature But on my own You know, I'm saying I rock with uh But that organization Now Black lives matter as an organization. I think again, it comes down to It comes down to ignorance Most people think black lives matter formed after george floyd. I've been watching it for 10 years prior to that Yeah, I've been watching how it formed why it formed every time there's election. It comes back up It uses narratives and pushes agendas. It's controlled and run by george soros Who's a hungarian jew not a black man? Yeah um None of the money that's funneled in through it goes to black people Um, it's just just total farce and if you go on the if you go on there And what was what exactly did the bro said? Let me go look it up, man. Tommy robinson black line Oh, it's a whole five minute video The website this is what really annoyed. It just said the origins and how he feels on it He's probably speaking saying exactly the same thing that he said before to me Yeah, you go on their website and it says the foot the goals of black lives matter was to break down the nuclear of the family Go number one break down the nuclear of the family. Yeah, and this is where this is the real racism Yeah, don't break down nuclear family in 1960s 80 percent of young black children in the united states had a mom and a dad Together now it's 20 percent That's planned. That hasn't just happened. Yeah, there's organizations. There's funding that plan that okay the breakdown of the family What does that mean? I agree I'm not even gonna lie when he's talking about this me being black from america Yes, in the 60s There was a full home when when when when when the government gave out public aid or in housing That gave out public aid and housing you couldn't have a man in the home You could only be a single mother So women were kicking men out on purpose To get the aid from the aid at age He a little bit right about that now as far as I know he's right about that This is these are truthful statements coming out out of his mouth and and When he's speaking on this I can't I can't say about nothing else but for this and in my research What I came across It's it's it's flush with it It's I heard the same stuff leave at least people rely on the state at least people in poverty Okay, the breakdown of the family. What does that leave at least people rely on the state at least people in poverty It leaves them instead of growing up respecting and looking up to their dad and aspiring to be like the man Who's working in the house they grow up and respect the gangs and the rap gangs so well well, you know public I mean like When the dad is forced out of the home And public aid is given and housing is given and and government assistant is given because you can't get go you couldn't I'm not still saying you couldn't get government aid when it first started if you had the mail in the home It was only for single parents That needed help and every every black family needed help mom dad If there was a couple they still needed help But you know dads would move away and not be in the home so Parents could get get that that you know At the same time that was leaving a lot of kids fatherless like now or father Maybe fathers were still involved, but they weren't in the home You know what I'm saying and that dude that dude do a lot That could turn you into some things and it probably give you an environment type situation All of these things that's that was one of the main points I think this is the reason we're in this mess Black people are stuck in poverty and you've purposely kept them there. Yeah, and when I say you I mean the elite I mean the democrat party the people who have still got them on plant a still going on If you really think about it look at um Look at um Look at I don't have these problems with my baby mama's you know, we're not we're not on that type of time but look at uh Man, what is it called? Where the woman collect money from Child support look at child support You being a thriving great relationship assumes you have a kid. Uh, we argue it now because I I could see I see you as you I could probably get more money Out of you separately And and it's it's built against the black man the man in general. Let me not categorize The current categorize it as black child support is against men Is what I've seen It always leans towards the woman any government subs anything that's given Something to from the government. It always leans towards women Asians in to help and which is sure Let you know Some women not all started weaponizing it United States They're stuck in this cycle in the democrat party the people who have still got them on plantations in the united states They're stuck in this cycle of povy Because they're breaking your family Yeah, the most important thing is family The most important thing is a family unit and you're destroying it and purposely destroying it Whether you're attacking the church whatever you do you are breaking down the family and black lives matter That's their sole purpose. There are other purposes to promote lgbtq plus I don't know how many black people that want to promote that and when we're talking about lgbt I'm pro gay people's rights. Yeah, it's gone past that where we're at now with this whole transgender rights transgender Mission, yeah to sit in front of six year old children And have these sat Doing nursery rhymes or whether to that you are sexualizing children Yeah, and you're confusing them and the percentage of children now that are non-binary or feel like this It's insane. They're kids. Let them be kids. Yeah, and this whole push Is the attack that's what and and all of it I see is as planned. So, yeah What impact has your views had on yours and your family's life? That's them that's where it's In my views, which is where I get they're my views. They're not my children's views. They're my views and um, and you know, so So so so so even for my own children We're not because much kids didn't know who Tommy Robinson was or that I was leader of the English defense league When they're this big this big. Yeah, so I had that time when my son when my daughter was first going from Uh, the lower school to the middle school Yeah, and I had to and the school were like you need to tell them Yeah, because we're protected and shielded from it So then I had to sit and then explain that There's a lot of people that don't like your dad. Yeah and there's a lot of people that Say I represent something can I stand for something that I don't now? Remember all my kids would have seen is is a diverse group of friends That they all they're the witness so that they know I'm not racist. They know who I hang around with they know that upbringing so But I had to explain that to them and and and for example, I've got I've got a friend Sully whose mum is a black Kenyan Muslim and his father's white And uh, even when I was leading the English defense league, I had I moved out of town to like a little village And there was about 12 houses in a row and I invited them all to it was uh, St. George's Day So we've got bouncy cars was for kids and I invited all the neighbors and then my friends come from lute I remember Sully's mum was sat there. She's got a hijab on and her phone's gone and she's laughing She said you ain't gonna believe where I am And obviously her friend said well, so I'm not I'm at tommy Robinson's St. George's Day event Yeah, and uh, and she's laughing. I'm laughing because but people who don't know me Yeah, we just think I hate every Muslim or something. Yeah, that's how that's what's portrayed And I remember with my kids. I said like kids, you know, you know Sully. Yeah, you know the love we have to give her He's one of my best friends. Yeah, you know the respect they have for him. Yeah But I talk about the religion Okay, so when I'm talking about the religion, yeah, I'm not talking about him I separate and I tried to separate and you have to separate people from ideas Islam is an idea. Yeah, and muslims are people. I believe that they're um I've gone through this with lots of them. I believe many of them are cultural muslims. They don't Just trying to listen and not say nothing Follow the book to the word. Thankfully, you know, they're not that strict or devout, thankfully But um, but they're part of their identity as being muslims. So when I talk about Islam, they feel under attack Yeah, they feel like I'm attacking part of them, which I'm not. It's and if I was criticizing the bible I'm not attacking every christian. Am I you're allowed to you're allowed to criticize the bible But you know Christians go by the bible. So you they feel like that would be Attacking them. So I get why The group that does not, you know, I get why the Why go the other way as well I was gonna say that earlier In fact, it's celebrated to be any christian and mock jesus You know, I had talked about Islam without being branded racist, which I find insane So what repercussions has there been on your family? And what would be the worst? um People at the house children happen to move their home Probably moved home seven times eight times The fear I've seen the fear in my kids The upset I've seen the problems. So example, um Someone come to the house and they live streamed it and I went in the country So I landed back off the plane and I had messages from my sons and dad Please please don't get home get home and they were hiding and uh, these people come and they were sent to the house It's all again. It's organized. They come to the house The fallout of that was from that day. They couldn't go back to the house Yeah, so they had to move and we sofa served until they found somewhere else to Get the properties pretty hard when you told me Robinson as well even to rent one no one's a brand new one either So that caused the separation of um, me and my ex-wife this issue Because then they had to move and my my daughter for example had like one behaviour incident in the year before She had 44 in the next two months. So I witnessed the Psychological the emotional damage that the fear done having to move done And they've had that a lot. They've had that a lot. They've seen things that I'm gonna be kitchen after seed. They've heard I'm gonna be real like you do like if I if I was in his shoes As soon as that type of stuff wouldn't start happening in the fact that my kids I would have been up out of there I don't be like, you know what nothing's more important because he already said that family's number one So at the end of the day I would have had to Put my pride to the side and be like look ma'am. My family is Unprotected right now They're feeling the pressure of what I got going on. So I'm gonna step back Me personally But even recently I don't know if you've watched I'm making a series You've heard threats to that I've had phone calls from men who I know who they are Yeah, and I've recorded them give them to the police A muslim gentleman who says uh, he's gonna kidnap my daughters and rape them and get them outside school and rape them He's not been arrested. I find it mad. None of them get arrested um There's been so even like they're six they're six lads in jail. They got sentenced to 25 to 30 years They were on their way to kill us. So my views have Have caused fear but fear for me. Yeah unreflection of that. Do you think it's worth it? Um, I wouldn't change a single thing I know that sounds mad I know that sounds mad. I've tried to explain this. Do you remember and try imagine trying to say I say to lads Well, you think you've been in the doghouse, mate? Yeah Three times in the first six months in the English fencing my house my daughter booed off by the police My mrs. Was six months pregnant. She got arrested on money laundering charges She got bailed for two years didn't come to anything. Yeah, but this is this was part of their pressure um The targeting I said that I've had all of that But I believe the issues I speak about are far Superior to me and my family. Yeah, I talk about issues that affect the generation of young girls in this country And I wait and when I talk about this I give you an example again I obviously most people know I was I need y'all to give me like a tag me in some type of Like one of these where he like because obviously he's on here, you know Bigging himself up Making himself kind of completely opposite of what everybody is Believed him to be but I need to see some of the Some of the speeches or some of the some of the some of the stuff that Made him who he is today and then people's eyes over there Um, because I know what men like this man a lot of the times is It's how you say it You know I'm saying If he would just deliver the message a little bit differently but you know That's neither here nor there. It's too late now, but I'm saying that's sometimes it'll just be how you say stuff That'd be coming off mighty aggressive and mighty Left left or right or whatever side was arrested outside the court case in Leeds. Um, there was 30 men on trial and I asked one of them as he walked into court. Watch the video. Yeah, I asked him how you feeling about your verdict? That's it. Yeah, I was taken off the streets within two hours. I was doing 30 months in jail And the man who actually I asked him how he feeling about your verdict He was let go home by the judge and he disappeared to Pakistan still hasn't faced justice Insane, but most people celebrated the fact I was putting gel I was putting gel in the room I was putting gel in the room Most people celebrated the fact I was putting gel That I was putting gel and on appeal it turned out everything they done was unlawful and illegal Yeah, so they had to release me out after spending 14 weeks in solitary confinement. They released me out of jail And that that sparked mass protests like a worldwide 30,000 people marched on parliament. They were protesting uh, australia american congressman flew in to from the united states to speak at protest. Um, I think Brownback congressman brownback trump passed congressman trump trump passed One thing about that. I don't like about this crib I be hearing too many so much stuff and I got ptsd man from living in chicago and all the stuff I hadn't been through Any little sound especially when I be having these headphones on be throwing me off his Liaison with the british government to speak about my safety Yeah, all of these things were blowing up and um, and I come out of jail and I was released from jail And then I produced a documentary called panodrama Which was an expose of panorama proof that they were Lying proof that they were all in footage. I've sent someone undercover into panorama. They were doing a film about me And I destroyed them. There was no panorama You know, they couldn't even bring their film out and the main man had to lose his job Although you wouldn't have read about this in the media because not one journalist were born on it The doc used to watch the documentary. It's a good documentary. Yeah This happens and because I publishes doc good promo commentary within 48 hours. I was cancelled from every single social media Everyone We've been 48 hours that documentary had 2 million views on facebook alone in 48 hours and I was deleted I wasn't just deleted. They bought charges against me for the case. I'd previously been in jail for So they bought charges against me at the old bailey For asking a pedophile how he felt about his verdict because they're all convicted those men Yeah for raping kids. I just asked him on his way and how you feeling about your buddy So they recharged me and um, and then and then they I got strikes for Doing the videos on that They offered me a deal if I apologize and plead guilty Yeah, that I can go to court and I'll just be going back home But I sat my kids down and said I said to my son my son and said to me dad just apologize, man, please And I'll get I'll get emotional fit and I said I can't yeah I can't anyway. I'm not I'm not going to and if they want to send back to how they can send back Jail, but jail for me is possible death. That's how I feel because he's controlled by radical gangs So but I said to him I said son look at your sisters All right, there's girls this age That are being taken from their families They're being hurt. They're being tortured. They're having the worst things You could ever imagine take done to them by 10 minutes a time Yeah If they send me a jail, I know it's going to blow up. I know more people are going to look at this issue It's going to bring more attention to this issue. Yeah So again for me it's as my job Send me a jail. Yeah, go on please. Yeah for my cause. Send me a jail. I don't want to go jail I love my family. I love my kids But I explain that to my kids I said son if that if that video goes out and just one girl if I go guilty if I walk out and I'm Send the jail and one girl like your sister is saved from that Yeah, and I have to sit in a box for three months or four months or six months. Yeah, what should I do? And he said you're right dad I said good and I don't know if I should have put it on him like because I put it on him for him to Tell me you can go to jail like because I knew I was going to go to jail But I didn't want to I don't know what resentment of I've even called or I may have caused as they grow older I go upset Because I know yeah I'm not choosing the greater good over my kids At the end of the day me me personally though Or see a lot man, and I and I try to try explaining me I'm talking about my situation not his situation I'm in any situation not choosing the greater good over my daughter No, ain't into your your wife at the time. This isn't about my kids And I said that this isn't about our kids and if you look and I I look at things quite deeply And I think about things deeply and I think our previous generations kissed their kids goodbye Some of them were 15 and pretended they were 16 to go to war Yeah, and they run into fields with a life expectancy of minutes. What did they do that for? They done that to hand down the safe and prosperous future for the next generation. What are we currently doing? People ain't even speaking people are too scared to even talk about it Like if you look around your country, I look around my town and say is this changing for the better? No Is our country changed can anyone look at our country and say 30 years ago to where we're at now? Was it changed for the better is crime better? Is any of these problems better? It's getting worse and worse and worse and we're silenced and they have most people mortgaged up to the hill Most people finance up to the hill most people too scared to talk and I was too scared to talk I was that person Well, that's why I wore a mask and used a fake name at the time of starting the English defense league Between me and my partner. There was seven property. We had seven properties and two I almost want to say this is coming off as as This should sound like branding or something. This is I'm gonna go out here and make myself sound as good as possible I was one of the people who could just go. Yes. I moved to a nice village, you know, but Then I look and think what is your what is my duty? My duty is a father. So I look at my kids. I know I know that as we just trying to appeal to the heart of humans Go forward in the years. I know I can sit there and comfortably say I've done everything I could I've pushed it as far as I could and I'm still pushing it now and and and that The fear I have is not for Muslims. Yeah, which in fact, I get quite a good reaction You'd be surprised most people be surprised. You only see the two second clips The goal in the internet where someone wants to punch me. Yeah Most Muslims have come up to a very understanding and very just want to talk and Tommy to explain this and all right, Tommy Brav Matt is mad. It's quite mad experience because you suspect the opposite. How would you measure your success? How to measure my success? I've done it on a graph before because up until the formation of the English defense league The arrest rate was like this for sexual exploitation in gangs. Yeah English defense league forms here. It literally goes like that And the cities we went to were forced to address the issues. We were screaming on the streets about the rape of our doors screaming um I look at the success So members of the C community had formed a shillip and jab an organization to tackle this issue But they hadn't managed to burst it onto the scene. Yeah, they'd fought it within their own community Within their close knit community They've been battling it and men have been going to jail for years trying to protect their doors. Yeah Um, and it seems that when that resistance was formed from the C community They just went all out on every other community the gangs did now No one would talk about it. Now people are talking about it and they're going to jail for it But instead still not doing a good enough job. So I'd measure my success on that Um, I'd measure my success on the fact that I've been cancelled, but I'm still talking Uh, even the fact that I'm sat here is a success for me. Who funds your agenda? um people so uh individuals with donations don't believe the bullshit Don't believe the hype. There's no multi-million pound donors or funders. They've given me and it gave me money um Literally individuals so we funded the defense league at star ourselves the first ever demonstration I'll pay 450 pounds to have a professional cameraman come and film what happened with the police everything When we were the upl and it was that video So I done that I paid 450 pound and then that video I put out online and it had Hundreds of thousands of views. Yeah, and I said when are we and I called it lute and protest And I said when are we going to stand up to what's going on? And then I went on football casual boards and messaged it everywhere But we were funded by a self like that and even even now say like I work for a company called urban scoop To do the most important journalism and investigative journalism anyone's doing in the uk Tackling these men who have got away with the heinous crimes of rape against children It's funded by monthly subscribers five pound a month ten pound a month 50 pound a month And it's not funded enough to even cover the bills really like we struggle And we've got so much important work to do so don't believe the uh, the nonsense Tell me why would you say it's the worst memory of your life? The worst memory of my life? Um I've had a few man. So where was I winchester prison? Uh winchester prison and I was sat there and my mum was going in for a 13 hour operation that they didn't know if she'd come out of So the priest had come to the door. Yeah, you're going to get me going again, man Priest come to the door and I sit and think about the worry you've caused them My mum's a mad little Irish woman who is the kindest most nice woman you'll ever meet in your life at the start of even my activism she worked in the catholic school and um I had everyone sit and beg me to stop Family members of how it's affected them. She was threatened with her job at the time um about who her son was That all changed over the years though. I've seen the change in everything. But yeah, she was a So that probably that moment because you sit thinking what's going on and then you and then you relive everything and think Jesus, man I've caused my mum murders Even before the English defense league even before my activism I'd never had a clean I would have caused her a worry that now it's apparent. I think Jesus man. What would I do if my son was doing this? How worried would I be? So yeah, I caused them a lot of worry and I think that was a bad night But she come for it. She come for it or she didn't expect to come for it She come for it and uh, and I was in jail. So it's obviously It's on your head anyway on the back of that. What would you say is the best memory of your life? Every positive memory I have is when I'm on holiday and I think that comes from it's when I relax So it's when I can I don't know if it's uh So we're even when I'm at home with the family here is there's never really much peace Because it's chaos man. I like to call it organized chaos But it's chaos. But when I get out get out of the country. I just I'm then I feel that I can be because I there's Tommy Robinson and then I gotta see I gotta see all the clips At this point I'm gonna go look up at Tommy Robinson compilation or something because like I think that he's he came on here With the set purpose of making himself sound very likeable and appealing to the to an audience That's what I'm getting out of here and I feel like it's all cat You know, that's even yeah, I'm a family man. I've got three kids You're not that much of a family man though because you chose your activism as a Over your kid's safety And peace of mind. So yeah, stop saying that Your family is your wife left you you let that happen as a family man Tommy Robinson is an activist who who ain't gonna give up You're an activist for sure But then try and balance the two and I've balanced it's impossible It's quite well-offing because I switch off. So when I'm No In my family I'm not answering the phone about them in politics. I'm my kids aren't seeing it They aren't seeing the negativity and they might sense the negativity or they might sense the stress sometimes from it But that's my happiest moments. My only happy moments when I'm out of this country as well What are your views on the war in Ukraine currently? I believe the war in Ukraine has been instigated by Expansionist ideas of the European Union. I believe it's globalism I believe they've prodded and prodded and prodded since 2014 when there was the overthrowing of a democratically elected government in Ukraine And replaced with a puppet who was Zelensky and that puppet went on an offensive and neo-nazi gangs went on an offensive attacking the minority, which was the russians Um, and they were 60 of themselves on fire in one day. No one ever faced prosecution Yeah, there was lots of crimes the banning of the speaking russian in all the schools Um, and right now racism against russians is encouraged. It's insane. Yeah, it's insane I'd look at what you've done to Roman Abranovich and Chelsea football club I just think so what because he owned a company that sold some steel to make weapons for russia You've now took everything off him. Yeah But you deal with Saudi Arabia who have been bombing kids in Yemen for the last 10 years They've been blowing up schools every week or they're they're murdering. Yeah, you fund all the missiles there You give them all the weapons So the hypocrisy in it and the agenda of it and the breakdown of it So there were certain areas of that felt like they were liberated when the russians come in Yeah, don't get me wrong. I think what's happened to innocent ukrainians in the middle of this plan And since 2014 they've done this and it's all orchestrated and I believe it's gone against all the agreements They previously had with russia and I believe that expansion's ideas is the european union It's our government's disgusting foreign policies And right now there's lots of innocent ukrainians in the middle of that that doesn't mean Putin's a nice guy It doesn't mean their agenda isn't disgusting as well But it's been instigated because they ukraine used to borrow off of Putin They used to get all the resources off of Putin. They used to deal with Putin There's a lot of rich resources in that country of ukraine and the globalist agenda wants it They won't rid of Putin as well. Yeah, just like they got rid of Saddam Hussein Just like they got rid of Gaddafi. Just like they tried to get rid of Assad Why can't you get rid of Assad probably because of his connections as well with russia? Yeah, but you want it rid of Assad what you're replacing him with? Look what you've done to look what you've done with libya. It's disgusting man. And that is foreign policy There that is The british Disgust as I've come to grow I've just come to be disgusted With much of our history of what our governments have done what the elite is globalist agenda is Um They talk about democracy they keep on about protecting democracy in in ukraine. Just research it research What's going on in ukraine and research is behind it george soros again Billionaires the people who are sitting in the wef meetings now planning our next future of our lives We're they're going to globalize and digitalize all of us as slaves basically So I just and I think and I think you know what when I look at that my views have shifted a lot My views have been against Islam and this is the biggest threat I believe we're all being used they've played us against each other even down to the immigration They're bringing in they want us all broken into little sections. They want us into your gay You're straight. You're black. You're white all broken. Yeah, because if we were united against them Yeah, and what they're doing because they're taking all of our freedoms the what they are doing now and what they're planning now And from we won't say the word because you might get a strike on this begins with c Yeah ends in d we know what we're talking about but all of this Yeah, it's part of their agenda and Ukraine's part of that and um, I feel sorry for the Ukrainians who are stuck in the middle Tell me thank you for your time and before we finish off. Is there anything that you'd like to say? Um, no, just don't believe the headlines. Yeah Just read past the headlines and listen to what I say not what they say I say And that doesn't mean I'm perfect and I'm not claiming to sit here and polish my halo because I've done a lot of mistakes as well But I am an ordinary person. Yeah trying to Fight what's why I feel is right Send me the links y'all because it's some fishy about this video