 I'm going to call the meeting to order. Dan is not with us. The chair is not with us tonight, so I'm pitch-hitting. His wife has tested positive, and so he's waiting to see how his test comes out and decided that we didn't all need to experience the same thing, which I think is nice. The first two things on the agenda are both pre-subdivision applications. So we encourage people to come and talk to us informally before they file a formal subdivision application. And the first one listed on the agenda is actually going to, I have to call him in Brattleboro. So my instinct is to say to the people in the room, come forward and tell us what's on your mind. So the McDonald's, please. Thank you. So my name is Peter McDonald. And my wife and I live in Reading, Massachusetts, where we've lived for the past, I don't know how long, 26 years, Julie? 16 years in Reading. I've been coming up to Rochester, Vermont for the past, well, since 1965, I've been coming up here. My uncle lived in West Rochester at 3922 Brandon Mountain Road. In 1977, my father inherited the house and the property from his sister, Margaret King. And my parents have since passed away, respectively, my mom about five years ago and my dad about 10 years ago. And currently, the property is owned by myself and my two brothers, Andrew McDonald and Michael McDonald, who lives in Rutland, Vermont. The property is a house, rights to a spring, and then on the east side of Bingo Road, there's some land in a pond that comprises somewhere between, like, 14 and 15 acres. So being that the property is now owned by myself and my two brothers, we're exploring ways to possibly subdivide the property and allow either the three of us or the two of us to enjoy it. One brother might just kind of opt out. So that's why I'm here, to see if it is an option to subdivide the property into two parcels. One parcel being a two-acre parcel that would contain the house and the spring. And the other parcel would be on the east side of Bingo Road, which would just be the pond and the acreage over there. So with the exception of the last week, the two weeks prior to that, I was keeping Julie in the town clerk's office pretty busy, asking for deeds and whatnot to try and get a history of the property to determine if, as best as I could, can be kind of being a novice in this area, if the property was subdividable. Currently, we get one tax bill for the whole property. But in looking back at the deeds, I found that the property, as late as 1977, was listed as two parcels. And it was listed as two parcels of property when my dad inherited it from his sister, Margaret King. So the two-acre parcel was on a deed that says two plus or minus acres with a house and outbuildings. And then, of course, the other parcel would be. And it provides the dimensions of the land. From a survey from 1964, I believe, it's a little difficult to make out all the 64. I can tell it's 60-something. I can't tell if it's 64. But in going back to 1938 to all the deeds, I have a survey for the property. And as late as 1977, that it was listed as two parcels. So I'm not sure I want to subdivide it right now. But if that comes to pass, I'm looking to get a blessing to do that. So I confess, I was looking quickly at the rules. And so it came to your parents in two separate parcels. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, it did. And it went from my aunt to my father, and it listed two parcels in the deed. And that was 1977. I see. And they're combined under the one tax bill into one. Yeah, but that's easy. I mean, that's just common. That's a phone call to the listers that does that. So what he's saying is maybe it already is two parcels. Yeah, and I have that deed right here that I could show you for your examination. Yeah, I'm curious. Yes, please. Yeah, let me show it to you. Oh, this is probate. OK. OK. So this is a probate decree. Yeah, and of course, I don't want to interrupt you while you're reading. Well, no. I'm looking at your highlighting, which is really very helpful. This was, OK, so this is the decree. And did it stay in that ownership until now? I'm trying to get this. So I believe that document that you have in your hand was the probate agreement that passed the property to my dad, who was the executor of his sister's estate, which went into probate because my dad's sister, Joey King, had passed away. I forget what the term they used. It's on a previous piece of paper. He died without a will. But it says that it all goes to Albert. All goes to Albert, who was my dad. OK, who was your dad? Yes. All right. Yes. So Father gets it clearly listed as two parcels by the probate court. Yeah. I think it's still two parcels. Right. Yeah. I think we're in agreement that if you kept it as these two parcels, you wouldn't need a subdivision. That would be great. If you want to change the lines around, then you have to come back and see us again. OK. I don't think I'd want to because I actually have, going back farther, I have the dimensions of the property in rods. I guess that's how they measured it in the past with. 16 and 1 1⁄2 feet, right? 16 and 1⁄2 feet, exactly. Yeah. And the property, the two parcels are separated by Bingo Road by the Chittenden River. It goes up the Chittenden River to the Chittenden Rochester Line, comes back down on the board of the Greenmont National Forest, and then just kind of squares around the house. And then the rest of the property is on the other side of Bingo. So that's what I'd want to do if my brother and I choose to divide it that way. Does anybody else need to look at this? We'll both record too. We'll give you this back. Thank you, Sandy. So I think it's our opinion that as long as you keep each of those two lots to hold, you're fine. And we would. That's exactly what we're doing. But then it does not trigger our subdivision rules. All right. So from this point forward, it just really required me to have an attorney write up two separate deeds to take it out of the content that it's currently in. Wherever it is, yeah. And then be there. And I would encourage the lawyer to go back and reference those earlier deeds where they were separate. As opposed to saying, it's part of the stuff that's here. Say it's the part of the stuff that's here that was described earlier. OK, good. Good. Well, thank you. This has been incredibly helpful. And I appreciate you having me here tonight. OK. We appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. OK, so our next item of business is a pre-hearing on Sheila Barron's property. And Evan Chadwick is working with her. And you know what? I'm going to let you do this test. You're better yet. The evidence. Thank you. Have a good night. Good night for both speakerphone. OK. Also, this is a Zoom buyer or something? Yes. So this is a preliminary. This is not the hearing. This is a preliminary consideration. We didn't, when they first filed it. Hello, Evan. Hi. Hi. Hi, Evan. Can you hear us OK? Yeah, speakerphone. This is speakerphone. So Evan, this is the planning and zoning board calling. You are currently in the meeting. It's going to be really hard. It's very hard to hear you, because of the quality of the phone. Actually, Evan, if you'll forgive me, I think I'm going to try and call you back on my cell phone, because I have a feeling my phone is going to be better than this one. May I come and look at this? Is that OK? I have your number here. Thank you so much. Sorry about that. OK. Yes, that wasn't going to work. It was supposed to be a speakerphone. I think that's OK. So just to set this up, when they put in the application, which came after the deadline to even warn it, it only had a sketch. And we just got the survey last week, and I insisted that they get us something that was actually readable. And so if it looks like it's in order, then we will mourn it for formal hearing next month. So this is just what our rules call a sketch plan review. This is a little more than a sketch, but we only had a sketch to start with. Why the heck am I? Is this what's on the road? Will it work just laying it on the table so you don't have to worry about it? Come on up from the bottom. Come on up from the bottom. Jillian. Hello. Yeah. Hello, Evan. Are you there? Yeah. Can you hear us OK? I am clear. Wonderful. We can hear you much better. Hi, Evan. So thank you for getting us. How was everyone? We're great. So this is Sandy Haas. I'm chairing tonight because Dan is out. And I'm very happy to see that you got us a real survey that we can read. Yes, we did. JC sent me the 8 and 1 half by 11 last week, and I complained. So can you just give us a brief description of what you're trying to do here? It's probably some of you know they would like to retain a small parcel. They are under contract to sell the rest of their land to some very nice people from Ohio who are very eager to come in. And so in any way, beyond coming in, they be camping and driving an RV up there to just enjoy some of that land. If they fail, there will be a definitive go-through of the agency of natural resources in order to get the proper wastewater approval. Oh, OK. Yes. It's on the remaining. It's on the remaining. What will? How many lots are we talking about here? I guess I'm a little confused. OK, so there's one. Is this all one? Yeah, there are two places where it says 112.3 acres. So. Yeah, it is a little confusing. Yeah, it was done in the late 80s and then early 2000. So what's the total acreage of a property? That she would like to retain for eight acres more or less. You can ask him at this later. Go ahead. So you have a neighbor here who's interested in asking questions. This is Caroline. I wanted to ask is the road here the existing road in from West Hill Road? Or is that a new road? That is the existing road? No, the road. No, I meant the driveway in off of West Hill. Evan, I think if you could say all that again, because you're chopping up a little bit. I think we lost you. I'm sorry. It's on West Hill, and then there is. I'm afraid you're going to have to try and say that one more time, because we're losing you again. OK, I thought. A little bit better, yes. Well, we could. So far. So far. The road frontage is. Is that Woods Road already in existence? And is the lower road the existing driveway into the property? The gated deeded drive. Yeah, the gated deeded drive. Is that the existing road? Nope, I'm gone. Gone. Anyway, maybe it's doomed. He might be familiar. Do we have a look in the town line here? No, this is this is the border between the Forestry Service. This is the road up here. I was curious why they do. He's got this 150 feet marked here. Is this the acreage that they're calling 4.5? The dotted line here. So this and this. And this is included in the 112. 12. I think so. OK. Hello again. Thank you. So this map only does not show the entire property. Is that correct? And is it? You said the house is over here. No, the house is about here. So is this the driveway? This is the driveway in from the main road. This is where it forks. My piece is right here. This goes up to Jill's. I see. OK. This is where Stone Hedges. Your piece isn't on that 112, obviously. No, it's not. They didn't put it on that. OK. So what's the question at hand right now? Whether we have what we would need for the hearing. For the subdivision. Yeah. And I don't. Would it make sense? It's supposed to show a butters. And I'm just going to look and see what we have in the application. Who's out there? This was Smith's land originally. I don't know who. None of these maps are showing who is. The who's who of who's involved. There's only one piece of paper here. Yeah. So for the public hearing, we need to have a list of the names and addresses of all the butters, which I don't see here. Because we send a notice to them. We also put it in the paper. And our rules say that the survey is supposed to show the butters. Now, I understand that you don't want to have a survey of 112 acres. I get that. But a sketch of the whole property showing the butters would be very helpful. Well, Caroline has a piece here, and she's not on it. She's not embodying that property. If you don't show the whole property. At the moment, I am. Until I pull this out. That's the whole property. So then he needs to show the whole 112 acres. Right. I just said he didn't. On a sketch. It doesn't need to be surveyed. Thanks. Oh, Sandy. He needs a quick information. He can go there. And if he clicks all the people that have bought his property, he'll get all their information, all our mailing information. Whoa. OK. So, Evan, I'm told that you can go to Vermont Parcel Viewer, and it will give you all of the butters and their mailing address. It should have their contact information. OK. Yeah. Wow. Nice. We also just look at the tax map in town, and put in all survey health with this. Well, we have a copy of something here. I think this is maybe the tax map that's showing the whole parcel. I'm just trying to find it. Oh. Just say that it's easier when we can point this stuff for you, Evan. Yeah, I'm just, I'm looking at the application. He wants that again. Which has, oh, I'm sorry. So it's not a link. It is the name of it that Lewis suggested is Vermont Parcel Viewer. Yeah. Vermont spelled out Parcel, P-A-R-C-L, viewer. It wasn't a link. No, it's just a Google. Just a Google search for it, should. It will be the first one up there. OK. Yes. Yes. All around her property. Get that, get that to the counselor. There's more. There is more. Yeah, you're out here. It was in the original. And the butters will get notice of the formal hearing, which will be at our December meeting. Does he need to have, does he need to have all that water and sewer information and stuff from the existing house and all that involved in that, as well, sir? Well, he's going to need it for the state. So. So she getting rid of the prior with the house on it and just keeping the 4.5? Correct. She's selling her house, OK. Yeah. Contacted the state on this, because money, that applies to the piece that she's keeping. But my understanding is that they need to sign off on the retained as well, on the other piece as well, because it has septic. Oh, you've got it right there. It's a really good website. I don't think it's going to be a big hurdle, since it's so many acres. But I believe they still have to. That's North Springfield. Yeah. Yeah, it's super helpful. And all of your butters. Take them five minutes of work. Yeah, you have to highlight the span. And then you just go like that. And it gives all the info. That's very cool. So, Evan, I think what we need is at least a sketch that shows the whole property, including the location of the house and the septic for the house. And that shows that names the butters around the whole piece. Need it by a certain time, too, right, Danny? Yeah, I would say we need it by the end of next week. And we need the butters sooner than that. Are there other things people see that we need to be asking for? If this is all we had in front of us in December, what would we be lacking? We wouldn't give you the whole picture. Pretty much what you just said, yeah, the whole area. The whole picture, yeah. To make sure, since you're not on the map, to be sure that you're included as one of the butters. So, Evan, if you could. Does she completely surround you? So, Evan, if you could be sure to include Caroline's name as one of the butters, even though her property is not shown on the map. Can you show me where your property is? You're OK. You just put on the glasses. My understanding was that there was a total of 112 acres that she owned. That's what this says here. So I don't see where you're getting another 4.5 out of it. She's carving it right out there. So this is her proof. I'm just trying to figure out what your property is. So we have a question, Evan. The tax map shows that all of her property is 112. So then. I'm looking at that, and that is for Caroline. So we're talking then about two parcels, one of 4.5 and one of the balance. It's on the tax. So that's actually confusion there. And this is confusing that there's only one here, and it says 112.3 acres on this side, and then also 112.3 here, and 4.6. See map reference, right? The checklist is the same parcel. Oh, OK. Is this the house? Just wondering what this is. Me too. What that line is. Unless it's going to be there, because that's where the road comes onto. It may have been a reference from a purchase of this piece and this piece. Oh, together, right. Because there were four different parcels originally. Caroline? Caroline, yes. This was the story there. Do you want to get closer? See this drive that comes up. All right, that's it. That's conservation, is that it? So this is your minimum of care, is that it? OK. It's right up here. It's right up there. It's hard to see on that little map. No, it actually hits the lap. Yeah. Yeah, so when you go home, just jump on your computer and pop that thing in there, and you'll find everybody. I have this thing on. Great. It does say 3.49. So I guess I would like to see the survey map corrected to show the acreage of the retained or the bigger piece, the leftovers. And the way it is right now, one side says 112. The other side says 70. I mean, it's very confusing. Because some of this should be included in 112 as well. People look at the tax map and then they show the butters. Because this is Caroline's property. You have another one here. Then it's National Forest Service. Yeah, so Evan, there's a suggestion that you might be able to do this by blowing up the tax map. Actually, I think that's a reduction, the tax map. But I'll let you figure that out. Well, the line, the proposed line is here. So the. Pulls out of 112. Yeah, this is the proposed line. So then, basically, it's everything else. And this is just a road, and this is a leftover line. We're very confused by what we call the leftover line on that. On the left side of the map. This was the original piece that she added this piece to her. Originals, but it all, tax wise, it all got put together. Is it still subdivided? Is it formally joined, or are they? This is the line he sees in the map right here. This is Carolyn's property, she's pointing to right here. It is not formally joined, it just was. So it's similar to the general. No, just two. Oh, just two lots. Right, similar to the general that came in, where it was written historically. Beyond your drive, where your house is, well, I mean. There were two more building lots there. One was. Makes it. Sandy, this is actually still two lots. OK. Probably should be represented. The acreage there, and the acreage there. If they're only getting joined for tax purposes, and it's still formally two parcels. Although it has the same parcel number. That's the curiosity in me, whether this is two separate properties being built together, or whether it's actually one property. Well, I guess that would be a question for the lawyer. Evan, when you convey the house and the property are you going to do it as a single piece, or are you going to list all of the separate parcels? There's going to be a formal joining of all the parcels, and then a removal of this one. Arguably, yeah. It's confusing because there's nothing marked on here, but that is included in 112. This part right here, and the room. If you look at this, it's really expensive. So this line here. Hello, Evan. This is the parcel. We're still here. We're still just discussing. Yeah, and this is what we can't see. You can see it better in color, Karen. This is Karen once property. The blue will show you what the new property is. I would love to get a copy of this if that's possible. Yeah, would that be OK? Yeah, I don't know that it's going to copy color. Want me to try? Oh, thank you, Jen. So what more do we need for him? So far, Evan, we have that you need to show on the revised map that you're going to bring the house, where the house is, where the septic is, the names of the abutters, and a sketch, a general sketch, at least of where those abutters are, as well as the acreage of the retained piece as differentiated from the 112.3 acres. So the difference represented there. Do we want them represented as one if they are legally two separate ones? If she's treating it as a single parcel, that's fine. OK, excellent. And we need all of those things by the end of next week, especially the abutters' names. Steve, prior orders. OK. So you are. Put something together, and we'll be back. So how should I submit this up to you guys? Everything goes to the Rochester Tech Store for those guys. So you are landlocked in now. OK. All right, but I have a right of way in on this road. You got it, right? Yeah. Excellent. Thank you, Evan. All right, thank you guys. I appreciate you allowing me to appear by telephone. Have a good evening. You as well. Thank you. Precise. What I don't understand is on the tax map, her amount of acreage is 112. But she's pulling four points. He's going to correct that. Something now. OK. So it's going to be 112 minus 4. OK. And that's all the national forest. Yeah, it's surrounded by national forests. Beautiful piece of land. Makes me want to go up now. Yeah, sure. There's a right up there. You going to open the gate for me? We have a gate. OK. All right. Nope, I don't know. This paper clip is holding all that together. Thank you. Thank you. Bruce. Whose device? Did you want our attention? Uh. That is, um, malicious. Allicious device. Alisha? Alisha? Alisha. Oh, so you're just observing? OK. Good. Mr. Administrator, sir. Yes. Got two tonight. Are you writing all this, too? No, I'm just making notes for my, just for my own. Just over the doodle. Katelyn Blue and Cody Bowen in the 189 State Garage Road. Uh, adding an outbuilding. New construction. That's, um, nice drawing. Um, it just, um, meets the setbacks and it doesn't need any septic and it already has a driveway. I like the blow-up. I know. I like the blow-up. It's cute. Yeah. Yeah. And so I, I proved that one. OK. And then we also have Dave Kennett at, um, 1179 Route 100 North in Rochester. Actually, the property address is 611 Liberty Hill Road. And this is where they recently got the driveway permit from the select board. And they are putting in a, a house, new construction. And this is kind of in the middle of a big chunk of land, but it meets the setbacks and I approve that one too. Is that where that little shed was hanging out for a long time? I think it's, um, it might be. Is that over there? Yes. So is this across from the folks? Yes. Across and uphill, just a little bit. OK. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, um, to the south of the, to the farms here. So this is, this is a house, um, drawing, you mean? Or, I mean, what's the purpose of it? It's going to be a single-wide trailer, but it's a new, yeah, it's a new house. OK. Yeah. Approved. Yeah. OK. That's what I got for you tonight. That was it? OK. Just those two. And I just wanted to remind everybody, um, about the, um, the Consortium Grant, we, I, I, the Select Board approved both, both of our grants at their meeting last week. Um, the, the, um, and it looks, I, I saw this letter from Julie. I, I don't know. Did, did Dan get this? Do you know? There's a, there's a letter, not only, not only did you sign off, but you actually wrote a letter of, of support. Yes. Exactly. Um, but I don't know that Dan has seen this, so I'm going to get that taken. So they approved both grants? They did. Which, um, you're talking about the, the one that we're combining with the other towns too? Both. Yes. Yes. Yes. Um, and, and we had, we had approved both last month. Right. Um, so those are both on their way. Um, and having, having not Dan here, I'm sort of feeling like, it's not, I don't know how much we can do, on the zoning. Do we want to talk about zoning? No. The amendments. No. Great. I was jet lag still. Yeah. I, you know, he had all the notes. Right. And he had very good ones. Yeah. I'm kind of feeling that. And the passion and drive for it. Correct. That also, yes. Yeah. We, we have, we have been revisiting the, the, um, the housing issue. Um, it's getting more complicated than we thought. Are you talking with constitutes the second residence? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All of that. Um, and, um, particularly, particularly in, in the context of trying to increase housing. Yeah. So, um, we just decided that it was a bigger conversation. I think it's, it's, um, and we haven't, we haven't come to any, any decisions about it. Um, and I, I don't know if this, this consortium grant that you don't know, know about yet. So two rivers has put together seven towns, including us, um, that, that are applying for it. And we're applying for a grant to look just at housing issues. As, as, as they can be, um, addressed by zoning, what, what we can do in zoning. And that, that'll be interesting because, because we can see what other towns are doing as well. So, um, that, that will, that will be interesting. And we won't know, we won't know about the funding until December, I think, and it's actually doesn't start till next year. Okay. Right. Is there other business to be here? Anything back from, um, the solar array? Oh. Um, um, they made a very long, I actually was at the, the, the select board meeting last week. They presented a long, made a long presentation. Um, what they are looking for from us is, um, is a letter that they have that, that we consider it a preferred site. Um, and, um, do you know, they're going to, they're going to come and make a formal presentation in December. Oh, okay. Um, they want to, take, take it, couldn't be here tonight, so that didn't seem like a good idea. Do you know if they've marked it out? There are a couple of. Why? I saw those today. I wonder if that's, is our judgment going to be based on aesthetics or based on solar optimization? Well, it's so, because our top plan covers both of them. So, and here, aesthetics, aesthetics, yeah, or on optimized solar. Well, I, this is what the kind of work, I'm, I'm showing Greg a letter that we got that they got from the town of Wardsboro. Um, I was, I was uncomfortable with the request. I mean, my understanding was that we were kind of, kind of going to step back and let, and let the public utility commission make most of the decision. They want us to actually bless the project to say that it's a preferred site. And, and if we do that, and the select board goes along with this and two rivers goes along with us, they get, they get a better price from Green Mountain Power. And my reaction was, gee, I don't know what criteria we use for that. You know, guidance on, you know, what's the criteria? We, we basically follow rules here. Um, I, I saw, reading this letter, here's the challenge. So, yeah, we have an energy section in our town plan that has a list of some of these very same things. And what Wardsboro did is quoted the town plan. Unfortunately, we never directly addressed the aesthetics issue in our town plan. You know, aesthetics is one of the things that we include in the review of a solar site. So, we do in, in, in as far as general development though, is that not considered development? Because, because, uh, solar sites, the jurisdictions and the 248 process, it's really outside, outside the town's, town's authorization, other than setbacks, you know, structural setbacks. Right. Um, so, the way a town has some input on the aesthetic part. I mean, so, you know, solar development, we support it in our town plan. Yeah. Yeah. So, but from an aesthetic standpoint, the way that we, we would have to put language in our zone that our preference on screening, specifically, what's that? It's specific to solar development? Specific to solar development. Which is, I thought that, too late on this one. We've been considered part of our general development criteria. It is? I mean, it's like saying, you know, I don't want a particular type of house, you know, because I don't like to look at it. Well, yeah, you know, well, that's, yeah, but we wouldn't do that really right. But it's supposed to fit the general feel of the neighborhood, or the general, whatever, flavor, it can be a slippery slope. So, another aspect of it, Westport preferred site, and what the town plan does have included, is the mapping of optimized solar gain. And it just so happens that on their property, on the upper field, is one of the largest optimized sections on that map. And the section where they're putting, the planning to put it, is actually not listed as a prime spot. Or even a half prime spot. Do you know if it's the one that's down over the bank a little? There's stakes. I saw some string and stake. Yeah, down over the bank. It's great. But there's huge, like there's a whole bunch of trees right there. That is also in the shadow of the mountain. Yeah. Significant. So that, to me, was a red flag in terms of the town saying, this is an optimal spot, because it's pretty obviously not when you look at the maps that we have in our town plan that show the optimal spots for solar. When were those maps made? You look under the planning and zoning on maps. I think it's map 10 or 11. Yeah. But one, do we know when they were made? Those were included on our most recent town plan generated. Yeah. At the state level, they did it often to say, it's all done via LiDAR. Yeah. So they look at slope angle. Well, that piece where they're proposing to put it, there's a term, and I forget what it was, but it was good, but it had restrictions or something. There was another term. It wasn't restrictions, but in other words, things they'd have to do to optimize the space. They'd have to cut all those trees for one, I mean, there's huge trees, right? Yeah, I don't, again, I think it's tricky for us to comment on aesthetics. Yeah. Yeah. We can support solar development. Ideally, I mean, again, I'm looking at the words for a little, they're just quoting their town plan. Hey. Could I, could I just take a minute? So, so they will, they will make their formal presentation next month. They, they had, we had a miscommunication, so they, they didn't, I wrote them the email that she gave, but she didn't bother, but she wasn't checking that email. She was checking a different email. So, they'll come next month. Yeah. So are we allowed to interject that the other field would be better? Well, I told them that that was, that that was the, you know, what we had talked about, and they don't want to do that because, A, the cost of poles and wiring to get there is apparently prohibitive. B, they're concerned that it's also prime ag land and that that will put them at a disadvantage in the Public Utility Commission. I don't know. Most of the, most of the, most of the why are the solar field can be monitored on prime ag land. But there's, there's one, there's one question that came up last month that I don't know the answer to. One of, this is bigger than a standard residential installation and one of the neighbors questioned whether that constitutes commercial use and and I don't know where where that and I don't know where netbearing stands but there was food netbearing was allowed up to 500kw which is not commercial it just residents several residential customers can subscribe be part of the group and they get the benefits of as it was on their house and that's what they're talking about because it does they have many 100 would be considerably larger than the 50 they're talking about I know yeah I mean but 150 something it takes about four acres for 150 site yeah I see yeah we need to address this issue and we decided whether or not we're going to put in a screening section or a sex section and zoning so we we have a standing when they go through the 248 process that that's how I mean we can't what's worse to see you know an ugly screen or for a group of panel sitting there I mean there's some really good size sites that are screened yeah probably screened they're very unknowable screened with what usually trees okay yeah then you've got to have that set that fire note so it doesn't interfere with the light coming to the panel it depends on the way of the land I mean they have to reforest and wait to grow you know yeah I mean if you want to see one go you go out by the hospital in Rutland head out the back road toward Col River there there's a fairly good size right there just before the term yeah back in the town and it's well screened and suppose we were standing up on a hill directly across from it but from the road you can barely notice it and that they just planted the right size trees right off that's all that those are attached to in other words we have them maybe the other question that I believe Mark Lane brought up who's a neighbor the neighbor across the street was is there some kind of it's some kind of insurance that if you know the equipment becomes decrepit or unusual that it will be removed I thought that was very interesting when the public service board rules on the installations what the decommissioning requirements are the week that you could make a check that by just going into a website I'm guessing that they probably do have some kind of requirement I would say something they're about 20 year life when you have to start to replace it for the tax and it's hard to say whether the green dot right there or not yeah I know yeah I mean that's and again that was the word I was looking for constraints that was not restrictions constraints that wasn't based on specific site evaluation that was just taking a map and then digitally determining what would be a prime source site so you know these lidar which theoretically captures forest and slope direction and all that but it wasn't like somebody went on said this site is an optimal source more of what says there's some constraints but which was probably just the trees unless like you said it's too close to that hillside where it's going to get blocked out at some point so I understand that some of you got to see the minutes my emails down and I didn't but I did I had a couple things but I wouldn't approve him without you reading them I guess I guess I have to well you might find we don't have to yeah we can wait wait well there's been pressure to get them up on the website and we can't do that until they're so I didn't know I didn't realize I only had one I wouldn't have been able to be put on the website until tonight anyway well you can put on approved minutes on the website because you have to put them on right within five days of the need and then you can update the if they're amended this is great to know thank you I only had two things but I don't know if it's not we're gonna do it tonight sure go ahead oh one was is your name L O U is yeah so there you wrote it down specifically L O I S right I was like the other thing was the Marvin Harvey thing that we didn't need to do any approving or not approving it was irrelevant anything but I think you had said we approved it you remember I did I did write that right but we didn't need to if I'm unless I'm not remembering it I remember okay I do remember Dan saying what did you what did you do on what did you do on Marvin's slope you know his landscaping what did you write on the permit I don't think that he even got a permit for that okay I think he came to ask if he needed what because he had one filled out yeah right so I don't know how you would reword then I will I'll I can write that Marvin no permit required there is enough there still for Marvin that was not that he hadn't signed that was when he was talking about building on that property right I thought I thought I found that is it there are you reading minutes I would delete the sentence I'm not quite sure we were saying a board member Greg white not present I don't work with the public utilities condition yeah no I mean I worked with them and like when I was working and I can delete yeah and then it says we'll have a form to look at the town plan I don't know you didn't know you were there okay I will just delete that delete delete delete Greg it's on the list anything else we need to address the issue but yeah I didn't see any other trouble other than lowest I got that I know I got that and I want to make sure do you know who this fellow is sure I think I do I think I mean he bought tougher for yeah remind me of your email what one the one that you're going to be receiving this stuff with you decide all right I'll write it down oh yes but the unit don't worry at c o n t o u r d s t u d i o oh yeah dot com so it's Lewis at contour contoured studio yes dot com yes okay it's like when they give you confirmation yeah excellent thank you for the password in the back of your television thing Wi-Fi your router box why do you need 64 characters so random care or when they tell you to make a password you're gonna have very different things in it oh yeah that's a nightmare for me really just had the joy yesterday but what is standing trying trying I am I'm sure reboot a new box to my cable system there's the directions follow directions nothing doesn't happen where's your ass name is supposed to have my code where I can push it in and activate it I could never get that freaking black screen couldn't find it I'm sorry sorry it's already do was it already be I'm sorry oh nice okay Alicia a l i s 8 a okay thank you obviously my spelling is I have the words is there other business stresses the need to get the website within five days and even if they're a very preliminary, you know, just about topics and basic decisions and then we can do a more elaborate one. Absolutely. I sent out an email last night saying that for the time being I'm not going to take the notes. I can type them up. But I am finding my workload incredibly a lot at the moment. And so it's keeping me from really getting it on time and I apologize to the board and the community at large for my lateness. So this will be a shared responsibility. I will continue to do the subdivision pieces, the mornings and the decisions. Thank you, Sandy. Yeah. So we only took three people to realize jobs. I'll tell her that one. I always run into her and Mac all the time I'll say, listen. Okay. So unless there's I make a motion to adjourn, all in favor of adjourning. Okay. Thank you, Sandy.