 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump, with your hosts. Sal de Stefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump. A little long winded for you. For the first 30 minutes, the intro with Adam, Justin, and myself, we have some fun conversation. First, we talk about Justin's sexual chocolate. I forgot we talked about that. Sexual chocolate. Which led us right into STD testing. I mean, that's a natural progression. It was a smooth transition right there. Then we give you some useful information on how to escape a submerged car. We talk about hacking autonomous cars, Christmas activities, our favorite Christmas movies, and Adam goes into depth with his testosterone replacement therapy update. He actually stopped taking testosterone and is trying to get his body to produce its own natural testosterone. 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Does having a penis or vagina make you a better coach? Absolutely. Anyway, next question was, what are our thoughts on transitioning into minimalist shoes? Besides looking stupid, do they have benefits? They actually do. And you'll be surprised by this one because our opinions have changed over the last few years. Now we do talk about Maps Prime Pro in this episode in relation to the minimalist shoes. Now Prime Pro is a correctional program. So what that means is if you have issues with your ankles, your feet, your knees, your hips, your shoulders, your shoulder blades, your hands, your wrists, your neck, your spine, this program will help you assess what is causing the problem and will help you correct it. It's one of the only programs I know of that has that self-assessment tool and that has a prescription and it directs it based on your individual needs. Now we also have a bundle that combines that with Maps Prime which teaches you how to do your advanced warm-ups. Now if you warm up properly or if you prime properly before your workouts, you will get much more better or much more effective results from your workouts. I gotta speak correct English here just by priming properly. Now must speak correctly. You can get both those programs, Maps Prime and Maps Prime Pro in our Prime bundle and it discounts both of them, I believe over 20% off. For more information, just go to mindpumpmedia.com. Dude, I'm having fun right now. With what? With your body? Eat. I'm having fun with my body. I have fun with my body every day. You wanna have some fun with my body? I'm having fun eating right now. Oh, just enjoying all the Christmas food or what? No, I mean, here's the thing, like I did that, I did those two. You brought it in the bedroom. I did those two, what? Your food. My food in the bedroom? Yeah, is that why? I've never done that actually. I know, I've never had sex with food. Right? I tried one time with chocolate syrup, that was not good. You just put it in the chocolate syrup? It was all over. I feel like that's something you do at a hotel where you don't gotta clean the shit up afterwards. I saw it on a movie once and I was like, yeah, let's go for it. I think anybody who's tried to do that. It was a horrible idea. Yeah, I know, I think anyone who's tried it, I'm sure I attended it once. Imagine the fuck, too many different smells going on. Imagine the poor maid who walks in, just picture this, they see the bed, the sheets are all fucked up. Oh my God. And there's chocolate all over the fucking. She doesn't know it's chocolate. Which could be mistaken for blood, right? Poop. Yeah, or poop. Yeah, she has no idea. She's walking in. Oh, it's a storm happening. Yeah, because you have to get close enough to it to realize it's not poop. You gotta lick it. Yeah, so at first you're looking back. You gotta taste it a little bit. So I can just imagine, like the guy or girl like they open the room to clean it and then they just probably stare at it and it's like, they contemplate like, is my job worth it? Should I just quit today? Should I just fuck off? Is this really happening? No, so I did those two periods where I fasted for a couple days and then I took antimicrobials, anti-parasitic supplements. And parasite. Do that again, huh? No, I did it twice in a row. So parasmart, right? That's the one I used. And then I did a particular diet and then now that I've done them both, I hate to say this, I don't wanna challenge the tummy gods. So I just wanna real quick say I- They will smite thee. I respect you, tummy gods. So I'm not trying to talk shit, but I feel like I'm invincible. Yeah. Now you've done it. Bro, I went to Cabo and I drank all kinds of fucking everything. I ate whatever. Everybody came back, everybody had mudbutt. I had nothing. No mudbutt. Nothing. Everybody. Even my- I always get mudbutt. Even my cousin who can fucking eat like a billy goat and have no problems. Like I could digest a stainless steel spoon if you had to eat it. And he even had the mudbutt. Me, nothing at all. And I'm enjoying, I'm like, this is crazy. And what I mean by enjoying is I'm not eating a bunch of food that would normally bother me because I'm still apprehensive about that. So I'm not really doing that. What I am doing though is for the first time in a long time I can actually push my calories and not have problems and just get stronger. Dude, so stay away from- I'm getting bigger. The Amazonian river. Why? Oh, why? Isn't there like a parasite that swims through your pee hole? It swims in your dick. Yeah, you didn't know that? That's the real thing. That's a real deal? That scares the hell out of me. Yeah, so you're- Where is this at? In the Amazon, what is it, the Nile? No, that's not the Nile. Yeah, it's just the Amazon river. Oh, just the Amazon river? Yeah. Where's the Nile? It's over in Egypt. Why did I think the two were sitting there? There you go. That was my geography earlier. Yeah, real good, Professor Sal. Yeah, I know. I didn't know so. I skipped geometry. So yeah, dude, you swim in your pee hole. Damn it! It's these parasitic little thing that swim and then they attach to your wang and they crawl up inside your pee hole. Oh my God. It's like the creepiest thing I've ever seen. It sounds like one of those alien movies, dude. That's scary as shit. Yeah, dude. But it's real. I don't know. You just got to pee real hard. They have those hooks. So you can't like, you know what I mean? That's an area that I would never want anything inside of it. Right? You know what I mean? Like no. It wasn't the old like test for, I think they taught us this in seventh grade or whatever. Like when they try to scare you with STDs that you, to test you for chlamydia or whatever, they put a Q-tip up your pee hole. I've heard that too. Is that a myth or a real urban legend? I don't know. No, no, they just swab inside, bro. They don't, they don't fucking stick it all in, and they fucking swab at the end of it, dude. They don't put anything in there? They put the Q-tip like just in there, but I mean, you're talking about like a... Then they grow it in like a Petri dish? No, then they, I think they wipe it on like a fucking microscope fucking thing and then they go... Petri dish, yeah. Is that what it is? Yeah. That's okay. Oh, you did that whole thing? Of course. I've had fucking tested for STDs. I got tested too, but I don't have anybody swab my dick. Oh, they just did like the blood test. Like drop your pants, like no, it looks normal. No, you do the blood. No crabs here. Yeah, you're fine. You do the blood test and the all that, you know, the doctor checks you and all that stuff. Yeah, when they do that. Remember the first time you did that test? Did you guys, we asked for... Panic. Right? They do it all the time. It doesn't even matter. Yeah, it's just like, you just like immediately... Oh, 100%. You're like, oh my God, what if? Yeah. Dude, so my brother did his, he does it every year, whenever he's a single guy and he's sexually active. So he's always, but he's very safe. He's in a first name basis at Planet Parade right there. But he's super safe. He's very safe. I subscribed to Planet Parade. He's not a bareback rider. He's very, very safe, right? But he did his normal test and I guess they changed a part of it to where it talks about this particular antibody that they're trying to find, that they're looking for, that it'll tell you that if you have HIV way before the old test would tell you. So there's an original test of HIV. It would tell you, but it would have to be something like certain amount of weeks after you got exposed because your body would have to build up the virus. Well, they have this new test that looks for something that, and it tells you much quicker, right? So he gets the results and it doesn't say on the test, like negative or positive. It says... See your doctor. It said, no, it said something. Fuck! I don't remember exactly what it said, but it was something like, lower than a particular amount or something like that. So he's like, what the fuck does that mean? And it's a Friday. So doctor's office is closed, right? So this kid, dude, he calls me up, bro. It's like, it's Friday night. Sweatin' boys. Bro, it's Friday night. It's, I don't know, 11 o'clock. So I see my phone. I see my brother calling me 11 and I'm like, oh shit, what's going on? That's weird. So I answer the phone and he's like, did you see my text? I'm like, no. So I looked through my text and he sends me all these, all these like forums on this particular test. And the funny thing is none of these forums give you this definitive answer. They kinda do, but they kinda don't. You can almost misconstrue it. So he's sending me all these, because he's obviously been doing research all night. Like he's been doing this shit since he first got the test. He came home for more, he's fucking sweating. So he tells me and he's like, dude, what does this mean, dude? And I'm like, I have no idea. I've never heard of it before, which scares him because usually I know something, right? So I'm like, I don't know. So he sends me a thing. So I'm reading what he sent me and I'm like, no dude, I'm like, you're fine, bro. There's nothing there or whatever. And he's like, just read my text. So I'm reading them. I'm like, well, I said, let me do some more research on my own, which scared of even more. Cause I just wanted to be sure, right? So I go and I do my research and I find out, obviously he's all good. So I'm like, how long do I wait before I tell him? Cause he's fucking sweating out all weekend. So I get back on the phone with him. Oh, you're a dick. I'm an older brother. So I know it's true. So it's a good lesson for him. That's what you do. So I get on the phone with him and he's like, well, he's like, what did you find? And I'm like, I'm like, tell me, I didn't say yesterday, this is the answer. I said, tell me the last time, like you did something that you think might've been risky. He's like, what? Why? I'm like, well, just tell me, tell me what's happened. Like what's going on? So we go into this like 15 minute conversation. The poor kid's sweating his ass off. He's like, I always wear a condom. I never know this and that. And I'm like, I'm like, do you wear a condom when you get a blow job? He's like, well, you know, not, no. And I'm like, well, you know, maybe if she had a cut in her mouth, sometimes you can, he's like, what are you talking about? Like what's going on, dude? What's happening? You're creating all these scenarios. And I'm like, listen, I'm like, have you talked to mom and dad? And he's like, no, why would I talk to mom and dad? And I'm like, if I'm just kidding, bro, you're fucking, he was so angry. You had a heart attack. Dude, I got a crazy story because yesterday, I get home and yesterday Katrina and I actually headed home at a decent hour, right? So I think it was like four or 30 or five when we were supposed to be getting home. And for us, that's early. And so we messaged each other and I'm like, hey, did you leave work already? Yeah, I left work already. I'm like, okay, cool, I'm on my way home. So, you know, we house is decorated, everything's set. We really haven't had a chance to like sit down, watch our Christmas movie that we watched. And she like, we have our, you know, traditional shows that we watch our movies during this time of year. And so I'm thinking fire, dinner, all the stuff. And she's, I'm at home, I get there first and you know, 20 minutes, 30 minutes. And then I looked down and I was, you know, surfing on the internet. So of course the time flew. And I looked down at a text message and she says, I'm on the phone outside. And so she was, she'd been out in front of our house for over an hour. And I'm like, what the fuck? Oh, I just caught catching up with Reg. And I said, what happened? So her friend's sister died and drove off a levy and drown, trip on this. So they say that she swerves left, she swerves right. So she does that like three or four times. They can tell by the tracks. And then she goes off into the water. And she actually called 911. And the- While she was in the water? Yes. What? Windows were all up and stuff, right? And she, in the 911 call, she's talking to them. And what they're trying, and they have to try to put this all together, like, what the fuck? Because she's telling them, she's almost calm. She's like, oh, I crashed my car. You know, there's water up to my shin. So what they think is that the airbags deployed. And so she couldn't see out the windshield and she didn't realize that she was actually submerging. She just, she just, she, you know, boom, crash, probably bumped her head all over the place, airbags deploy. And she's, you know, got water up to her foot inside of her car. And so she calls 911 and she's telling them, an accident, I'm okay, but there's water up to my ankles. So they found her, she drowned. Oh my God, that's terrifying. And 30 feet, dude, 30 feet down at the bottom. That's terrifying. Can you imagine how fucking- No, I don't want you to think about it. Dude, that's so terrifying, right? No, because I have kids. I immediately think about if I happen to have my kids. It's terrifying, man. Yikes. You know what, you know what? You know what's even crazier is that she was, she was coherent. She was able to call on the phone and like, man, that time should have been spent trying to get out of the car to swim up. Yeah. So you know what's scary about that is I watched this special. That's right. I watched this special a long time ago on that where if that happens to you, people try to open the door, but they can't because of the pressure. So what you need to do is open your window. If you can't open your window, break it. That's the only way. Break it and swim out. Yeah, break it and swim out, because otherwise you'll go down with the- Which, by the way, could be extremely hard too, because I think the pressure on the other side, it's like you punching a concrete wall. So they sell these- Yeah, I know I have one of them. The little hammers with the little point. Oh, sure. Yeah, it's a plastic. It's about this big. I gotta buy one. Oh, you should. And you tap it, it'll shatter glass. So all you'd have to do is go tap, and it goes right in the corner, yeah. Wow. Yeah, so it's- That's terrifying. I know, right? Right away I thought that too, because I was thinking like- I have a big fear. What I would do, but what if like, so if I was thinking like, what if one of my cars went over and did that? What would I, how would I handle that? And you're right, I'm thinking I would roll the window down, because I know I can't open the door. But what if the water comes in, you think it seeps into the doors, it could fry the electric- That's what I'm saying, you have to break the window. Yeah, so like all my doors are all electric and stuff. Yeah, you can't roll it down. Right, so it's not gonna be able to roll down. You have to break it right. Well, you know the other thing I was thinking, because we had talked forever about like, you know, automated cars, you know, like autonomous cars, I mean. And like how it's all gonna be reliant on this infrastructure, this software system, and you know, satellites, and all this like communication, you know, what happens when the communication breaks down, and you know, there's an object that it doesn't recognize, and then boom, you know, like you just like- You watched- Off-road or you- Yeah. Dude, what? No, this really happened. This happened to Tesla, because there was a truck that was like a white truck, and so it didn't recognize it. Yeah, because of the sun's glare. I thought it was like part of the sky. I'm more worried about the computers learning how to teach each other. I mean, that's fucking, you can't even remember when your car is done. Like real talk, transformers, bro. Bro, that's just- That's just happened. Optimus Prime is fucking only 10 years away, man. So that just happened. I don't remember. Who was it that created this AI computer? They had these AI computers, and they were learning from each other. Yeah, we talked about this. And then they created their own language. It was at Facebook. Yeah, nobody could understand what they were saying to each other. Fuck that dude. Right? Oh, man, yeah. Imagine that they get into the car systems, the cars start doing that. Well, the other thing too is that you can, most cars today, you can hack into them and operate them. A lot of cars, you can hack into them and operate them remotely and make them crash and do shit. Do you know what I'm saying? So somebody can hack it. Yeah. What? So if you're in a self-driving car- I think you're making that. That was the other thing. No, yeah, that's why I brought that up. Well, I mean, if you're in a self-driving car. Yeah. Oh, I think you're talking like my GMC, like someone's going to be like... Well, actually, no. They can... If you do on-star. Yeah. They can shut your engine. They can shut your engine off. They could operate your brakes and your gas many times. Can they? Yep. So they could punch the gas. You can't do anything and you're fucked. Really? Yeah. I don't think they could do that. I saw it on... What is that? The Born Identity. Dude, we should look at the Born Identity here. There's a lot of truth in that. Matt Damon did it. What's good for Matt Damon? Matt Damon did it. I was waiting for a red-marrow sight to come out right now. What do you do, though? Think about that. You have all these autonomous cars and some foreign country or terrorist group hacks into like 1,000 of them. It just makes them all crash. I heard Elon Musk talking about robots. He was talking... Because you know how they're like... Have you actually seen the latest robots? How they move and how quick they can run and stuff now? They're creepy, bro. They can do backflips and shit. Oh, that's nothing. Like, the only way you can see him is with a strobe light. And he's like, good luck sleeping. There's something like that. Something to quote like that. What did he say? Oh, my God. That was like pure terror in my... Wait until they're moving that fast? Yeah. Where they're moving the speed of light? Like, is that what he's saying? You can only see it with a strobe light. Yeah, no. He's not moving as fast. No, physics would not allow it to move as fast. Yeah, it's not like what the fucks he said. Something like that. Because they're moving... He's basically saying... He's just saying that they're moving so fast that you can't see him unless you have a strobe light on. Yeah. That'll be cool, huh? That will not be cool. That will be fucking weird. Dude, not robot wars. That shit will happen for real. That's Will Smith, iRobot all over again. Hey, have you... Do you guys... So you were saying you did Christmas movies. Do you guys go to Christmas in the park? I don't do Christmas movies. At Los Gatos? No, no. Downtown. Downtown San Jose. Oh, no. You know, with all the little animatronic... I stay away from downtown San Jose. Why? It's just not my vibes. What's wrong with it? I'm not... I don't feel it. Why? New races? Yeah. No, I don't like it. I don't like downtown San Jose. It's not my thing. I feel like he's an elitist. Yeah. No, that's why I moved to Santa Cruz. Yeah, that's my place. So downtown Santa Cruz, then, huh? Yeah. That's a safe place, too. So, no, they have the animatronic little elves and shit and trees and you walk through and they have food trucks and hot cocoa and it's... Did you do it already? No, I'm going tonight. Oh, you are? Yeah, I'm going to take the kids tonight. I mean, if I had kids, I would. But that's not... I mean, for me and Katrina, I'm like, me... I bet she would like it. They have like an ice skating thing at the boardwalk. You should do it for her. Which is cool. Yeah, I like to do cooler stuff. They do like a wagon ride or something like that. Like, yeah, it's cool. What do you do? A wagon ride? Dude, Los Gatos. Yeah. But what do they do? They just go around the town and they go look about it. Yeah, but it's cool, though. You're in a horse and buggy, dude. And it's your drink and they give you a serving of cocoa and you get a blanket and it's a comfortable and you get it to yourself. Is it a reindeer or a horse? It's a reindeer. Oh, it's a reindeer. Oh, I thought it was a horse. It's a reindeer, bro. Is it a fly? Yeah, that sounds kind of cool. You got to pay extra for that. I lived near a roaring camp. They have like a train and everything that goes down to the boardwalk. It's all lit up and stuff. So we've done that before. That's cool. I haven't done that. Yeah, so what's it like? Real fun. It's just, I mean, you get to see through the redwoods and you go all the way to the boardwalk. So it stops there and you can go there. Now they actually have ice skating at the boardwalks. You can go do that and then come back. Dude, I want to do that. It's pretty rad. Then there's the, what is it over there in Los Gatos? What's that park over there? Vesona. Vesona. We've done that, too, yeah. OK, so that's what the horse character. You just drive through it. Yeah, I used to do that with the lights. You know why I don't do that shit anymore? If you're from Los Gatos, this is why I don't fucking do that shit anymore. You got to wait like two hours in line with your car. Forget why. That's stupid. And the light shows pretty much. That's too much. Now you have to get like a time frame where you pay for that you can only go at that time. When we, where we grew up in Modesto, right? Small town, there is a Christmas tree lane and there's Candy Cane Court. And they're famous and it's just a neighborhood that is traditionally like gone over. They go crazy. Yeah, and it's a huge, and the Candy Cane, or the Candy Cane Court, smaller is the court, right? But the Christmas tree lane is, you know, you're wrapping through four or five different neighborhoods and everybody, like they're connecting like people's got trains going to other people's houses and some like 50 grand for that month of lights. Over the top, but it's really cool to go through there and drive through the neighborhood and it's actually, because it's small town. So we used to, even when I first moved to the Bay Area, we actually used to, for Christmas time, we'd drive back there to go watch all the lights over there. So I know that is a cool place there. I've heard there's some cool places in Sacramento that do that. There's neighborhoods that I'll drive through with good lights. There's one in Willow Gland that's pretty nice. They got, like they, they do the lights over the trees and everything. We found one house, I don't remember where it was, but they did the whole, like lights were, were synced up with the music and everything. So they did that with the nutcracker and like, it was insanely awesome. Dude, the quality of decorations for holidays has gone so crazy. It wasn't like that when I was a kid. No. When I was a kid, you had- It's like a competition. Yeah, when I was a kid, you had like two, two strings of light on your house and you're done. Today, like if I did that, my kids are like, sucks, dad, like, where's the fricking- It's so lame. Yeah, where's the robots and the fucking strobe lights, dude? Like my neck on the roof, like trying to put these shitty lights on. Yeah, exactly. So whatever. Whatever. Anyway, favorite Christmas movies? Ours is Christmas Carol with Jim Carrey. That's a good one. You like Elf. I got one that crushes all those. I got one right, I'll blow them all away. Christmas Story. Nope, nope, nope, nope. Die Hard. Why are you laughing? That's a fucking Christmas movie. Die Hard One? Yes! That is a Christmas movie. It is a Christmas movie. And it's a movie. It's an actual movie I want to watch all the time. Yeah, I watch it around this time too. Yeah, it'll be playing on TBS and TNN and I'll fucking- For sure. Yeah, it plays every December. Dude, what a great movie that was. It was a great movie. It's like, you're talking about a dude that doesn't, because remember at the time, you had all the action heroes, like Sylvester Stallone and John Clavin, and you had fucking, what's his name? Bruce Willis. Bruce Willis, who doesn't look like that much of a, he looks like a normal dude. Yeah. But he took care of him. You know what's funny, like you mentioned that, like this isn't, it's not a Christmas movie, but like it's always on during this time, of the year, Uncle Buck. I always catch myself watching Uncle Buck. Oh, I love Uncle John Candy. It's the best. So good. So do you remember Uncle Buck? Oh yeah, I totally remember him. When he blows the fog. And it does, and they do play around. He scares the shit out of that bug. Well, I think, when they go up to that cabin, aren't they? It's holiday season. I think it's around Christmas. I think that's the reason why. I didn't remember. That's when he shoots the bear, right? And blows off the helmet. No, that's out the great outdoors. Oh, that's not the same one. Oh, Uncle Buck. Uncle Buck's the one where he's, yeah, he's kind of coming in, he's the uncle. Watching the kids. And the girl, the dude fucks with her. Yeah, he comes in, scares the shit out of him. Who would have thought that John Candy would have died earlier, man? That's weird. It sucks. I love John Candy. Yeah, I love that guy. He was really, really funny. Anyway, I've been meaning to ask you, Adam, how, you know, you've already talked kind of briefly about it with the audience. And let me know if it's not OK if we don't want to go. If it's not OK. Doug, don't air this shit. I know you've been off your TRT now for a little while. Yeah. What, six weeks? Yeah, it's been six weeks since I've been, a little over six since I've been completely off. And you're trying to boost your natural, you're trying to get your natural coming. Yeah, so this is the first time in the longest. And what I did, and it was, you know, off of a recommendation that came from your client that recommended that I do a slow taper. Very slow. And then try and boost it naturally. So it's really been going on for about six months. So for about six months, I've been just lowering the dosage, lowering the dosage. Little by little. Yeah, little by little, little by little. And until just recently when I completely came off. And so I was down to like half a CC every two weeks. So that was like hardly anything that was kind of keeping me keeping me there. And I've recently completely came off of that. And what's it feel like? What are you feeling? It's a motherfucker. Really? Yeah, it's a motherfucker. I mean, I had to have a conversation with Katrina at dinner the other night. And I told her, I said, hey, you know, because you're not one. Here's the thing about you. And this is maybe this is a strength, but I think it's also a weakness. You don't complain. So it might be hard for people to know how rough you may be. You know what I mean? It might not be you might not show it like outwardly. No, I don't. And I and again, Katrina and I have an incredible relationship and we communicate really well. And, you know, we were out having sushi. This was just like literally three or four nights ago. And I said, hey, you know, I wanted to talk to you about what's going on with me and stuff like that. And she's like, oh, she got all weird, like something's bad. No, I said, you know, I know everything. We're all good. You know what I'm saying? Relationship's good. We're happy. Everything's going good for us and everything like that. But I'm like, you know, inside I'm fucked up right now. Like, and I'm working through this whole process. And so, you know, she's, she's like, oh, really? She's like, I didn't, you didn't seem like you're, I'm like, yeah, no, it's, you know, it's depressing. Like, so the depression is real. So like the, you know, you, those testosterone levels go from being high or normal or above normal to non-existent. It's, it's very depressing. I don't have a lot of motivation to train and do the thing, which I love to do. I always love to train, but it, and even when I do, it's, I can't even get into the rhythm like I get into when, when my testosterone's flowing, that aggression, that wanting to lift and to keep going into push, like it's just not there. And then you, you add in the fact that the sex drive is on the floor also. And, you know, I have a partner that, you know, wants to have sex every night. So it's, I know that's going to put a stress on the relationship. So, you know, I was just very forward and communicate that with her the other day and just said, you know, I'm not wanting to bitch and complain and poor me. It's like, this is all shit that I did to myself because of my early 20s. So I'm not, definitely not someone to say poor me, but it is, I'm going through it, you know, and I'm, and I'm working through it. So it's been a, it's been a challenge. I, you know, I ordered all the stuff that you sent over to me. Yeah. You're doing the, with the Ashwagandha, Tribulus and then here's the cool thing we, so because we have, we're back with Four Sigmatic, they should be sending us some cordyceps. I would recommend also using cordyceps because cordyceps in some animal studies have been shown to get the Lydic cells, which are the cells in the testicles to produce testosterone. And the thing with test boosters, natural test boosters is they do work in the context of low testosterone. So if you have normal testosterone and you take them, they're probably not going to do anything for you. Right, right. But because yours is so low, they may help accelerate the process. Cause you did the whole, did you went with HCG? Yeah. So I had, I did HCG, clomid and Novodex. And are you off all that now? Yeah. Well, no, I actually still have another seven days of the clomid and Novodex. Oh dude, you're going to feel so much better when you go off that. Oh really? Yes. Because the Novodex and, because remember those are selective estrogen receptor modulators. So they attach to the estrogen receptor and they're not inert. They still express a little bit, very minor activity. And so they can actually give you estrogenic side effects and cause worse issues with libido and worse issues with emotions and stuff like that. Which I know this because I remember when I used to use it to mitigate the increased levels of testosterone. If I were to boost my testosterone up, I'd always end up having to counter that with the Novodex, right? But then I'd also realize, I always noticed that would kill my sex drive. Right. So yeah, no, I'm looking forward to, so seven days left of that and then I'm off completely. And then for me, after that, it's like, okay, hopefully I start to feel a term. When are you going to test your testosterone again to see what's happened? I was actually just telling Katrina, we should give me appointments so I can go in there and go do my blood work. Because I've been meaning to, I wanted to share this process with everybody before. So, and I kind of did the very beginning, but obviously mind pumps much bigger than what I was when I was first sharing all this journey when I was getting in shape. But I just want to, one, I want to do it for awareness for a lot of young guys that are in their 20s that want to fuck around with testosterone and don't really realize what they potentially could be doing to themselves long-term. And I really didn't fuck around that much. I wasn't like a juice head growing up. Dude, it wasn't like that at all. I did a handful of fucking cycles in my early 20s, just the dosage, the protocol I did and my body. I feel like I'm just genetically, some people do well within or fine. They don't get any side effects. I got all the side effects. I got the gyno going on. I thought that thinning the hair from it. I got the sex drive diving. I had all the side effects from it, but they didn't come till later. While I was doing it, it was all seem fine. Yeah, of course. It wasn't till after. Why are you wanting to go off? Is it because you want to just see how your body can do naturally? Well, there's a couple of reasons. Absolutely, yes. Every year I do this. So every year, since I've been on TRT, I try and, because I feel like I learned something new about my body. Like every year, I put something together, like, oh, wow, when I train and lift heavy, I notice that kind of naturally boosts me more. And I've, oh, if I'm doing better with my sleep and things like that, I notice more. So every time I feel like I'm honing in on ways to better my natural testosterone levels. So I always like to try and say, because by no means do I want to have to take testosterone the rest of my life. Obviously, I've accepted that and said, okay, if I've got to take testosterone just to have a sex drive, then I will. But I've also, I don't want to give up. So every year I go through this little phase where, you know, I come all the way down and off and then I try and try different things to try and boost it naturally. And in the past, typically what ends up happening and it always goes back to the sex drive thing. I end up going back on for, just so I could keep my relationship and my sex life normal. But the other reason is too, that I know that obviously, if I'm taking artificial testosterone, the likelihood of getting Katrina pregnant is little to none. Hopefully in 2018, we'll be picking our house up and then after that would be family time if we were gonna do that. So there's partially that also. You know, if I'm gonna really make a real attempt at even having a child, that would be something that I would need to do, start doing now, if I'm gonna try it and mitigate that, right? And then, like I said, of just to naturally. Well, I appreciate you sharing this with the audience because I think it's invaluable, invaluable information for the audience both for people who lift and people who, because, you know, like anything, like you go through a process and it just gives you a different perspective and then you can communicate it. Well, there's not a lot. Unfortunately, nobody really talks about it. It's very much of a taboo subject for some reason still. And I feel like there's a lot of people out there that are going through it. So there is, it's gonna ring, you know, to them for sure. You know, there's definitely a lot of people going through it and not a lot of people are comfortable with talking about it. So, and this to me is what I've seen, at least in my small circle of men's physique and bodybuilding world, you know, it's a lot of these guys, once you go down that path, like it's you're forever on that path of taking all that stuff. And the amount of testosterone I've seen, a lot of these guys taking is like. It's insane. It's insane. Yeah, it's really insane. I think to myself like, fuck, I know how much I fucked myself up from my little cycles. But I can't imagine what they're doing right now. You're pretty much signing up to be taking these high doses for a long, long time. Dude, it's crazy. Who was the bodybuilder at Dallas Carver? No, what's his name? Yeah, yeah. Is that his right name, Dallas Carver? Dallas and Carver. Did you see his autopsy report? Mm-mm. So I read his autopsy report, enlarged kidneys, disease liver, enlarged heart. The guy was in his 20s. Wow. They did a whole lot and they looked at and they basically broke down. Like his fucking body was diseased. Wow. What was he all on? Did they give a list? No, but he's a, so he's a pro bodybuilder obviously. So he took, you know, he took his gear. I'm sure it's like everything, but yeah. He took his gear, right? Probably a decent amount because he's at that level. Not to mention, you combine that with the lifestyle of the amount of food that they eat and the ridiculous amounts of protein they feed themselves, not stuff. In his 20s, dude. That's, dude, that's crazy. That's stuff that you see in people. When you're like at your optimal body. You should not see that in someone else's life. And I think Arnold's talked about it a few times too. Like when he, you know, back when they were competing, like his cycles were nothing like they are now. And they always went off. Right. They always went off. And now it's become so accepted, you know, because studies have came out that, hey, you could technically do this stuff and be okay and there are some. So because of that, what do we do? We always take it to the extreme, you know? And so now it's okay. And so everybody's taking a shit ton of that. I mean, I think most people would be blown away if they really knew how many people inside their gym were actually fucking around with it. I think you think you could tell, but you can't tell because somebody looks good or bad. No, I wish people, like what I always try to communicate to people is you'll be blown away at how far you can take your body with proper exercise program and nutrition. Most people, the vast majority of people, if they just did that and they did it right, what works for their body the right way, right? Within a relatively short pair of time, they would be satisfied. I don't think, I think most people would do that. Dude, let me tell you something right now. So when you look at my before and afters, right? The picture I took in my bathroom when I did the video first and said, here's day one, right? Yeah, your big transformation. Right, and a lot of people didn't believe me, but I don't give a fuck, you know what I'm saying? Hopefully by now, if you've been listening to Mind Pump for long enough, I would be completely transparent on this. I was on Testoster, I was on TRT then. The fat picture is me. Oh, right. You know what I'm saying? And I was working out inconsistently, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, but your diet was off. And my diet was off. And the only thing that switched was the way I trained and the way I dieted is what got me into shape. I didn't change my, I didn't increase my testosterone levels until I became a pro. I dabbled with it one time on an Amherst show. I got docked for points for being too big and then I never went back up to that dosage until I got into the professional level where I could be bigger. But yeah, it's, you can, you would be surprised at how amazing you can look if you do all those right things and you don't have to take antibiotics. And you would be surprised that if you didn't do those right things and took antibiotics, how you wouldn't look good. You wouldn't be satisfied. Yeah, it might be. Dude, I had a guy I worked with years ago who took grams a week. And if you walked in right now, looking the way he did then, none of you would even guess that the guy lifted weights. It was incredible, the amount of, all that was happening was he was getting gyno and hair loss. He was getting, no, because his programming was shit and he ate like absolute garbage. But well, you know, we got the cordyceps coming soon from Forcigmatic. Okay, so you got me doing the other- Ashwagandha, Tribulus, Tungkat, Ali- Now do I have to do the Ashwagandha by itself or can I just drink the green juice? Cause I like enjoy drinking the green juice. It's got it in there already. I would add it to it. Oh, wow. Yeah, I would add to it just for now. And then we're going to cycle you around with some of these things. And then we'll add the cordyceps and see if we can't speed up the process a little bit with some natural, you know, supplements. What do you got there, Doug? Bring on the juiced out bird. I got a box for ya. Oh, more presents. Yeah, this is my favorite thing to do now. Dude, what's in the box? What's in the box, Doug? Whose idea was it that we order stuff from Thrive Market so that we can do commercials but get stuff? Before Sal takes credit. Thanks, Justin. Was that you, Adam? Of course it was. All right, guys, we got some chirps. What? Chirps? Who's that for? They're chips made out of crickets. What? What? Fuck yeah. I'm eating it. No way. Let me see these. No way. Look at this. You bought these on Thrive Market? I did. Bro. Watch. Hold on a second. I want to read the macros. What? I want to read the macros. I hear you. I want to read the macros. So it says on the bag, chirps made with cricket flour. Oh, because it's like, wow, 20 grams of protein per, for the bag. Wow. That's crazy. What's the calories though for that whole bag? The whole bag is roughly 600 something calories. You're eating crunchy critters. Wow. That's not too bad. 600 calorie for 20 gram protein. Awesome. I mean, most of the stuff in there should be, it's all real. And it's bugs, you know what I mean? He cares about bugs. He cares about bugs. Nobody's out there. Yeah, cool. What's next, Doug? Picketing for bugs. Let me see that. I'm seeing this. Okay. Next we have these grazed beef sticks, which are grass fed beef sticks. Don't give them to Justin. Don't give them to Justin. Yes. No, we can share those. Now we're fucked. I get a couple of these. Oh, I love those. Oh, I get those sometimes at Whole Foods. I don't know if Thrive Market had those. Yeah. Oh, those are good. Grazed beef sticks. And then we have, of course, more cashews for the studio. Oh, thank you, Doug. Damn, imagine if Doug was really our dad. How awesome that would be. We'd be the best kids. So we have a shared bathroom with CrossFit. We're going to contribute some Dr. Bronner's 4-in-1 peppermint organic sugar soap. Wow. To the bathroom. Good looking. So nice of us. Peppermint soap. Peppermint soap. I like Dr. Bronner's. That's so nice for that gangster-out bathroom that we have. He's going to open that and try it first. I'll try it. Come on. Last but not least, we hope this ply is good enough for Adam. Oh, booyah. Oh, it's seventh generation. Yeah. What does that mean? Unbleached toilet paper. Unbleached. Don't bleach your asshole. Yeah. You're not going to like it. Okay. Well, anyway. Let me inspect it. It's going to feel nice and fresh. Is it? Is it, and it's recycled? I don't think it's recycled paper. It's straight out of the toilet. Bro, did you just eat some? No, it is recycled paper. Those chirps are good. Those are actually really good. Mmm. Are they good? Okay. The box is empty. All right. Thank you. Does it really taste all right? Yeah, it does. It's like chips, bro. Here, try one. How weird is it that people freak out? Oh, it's like weird for me to try it right now. No, it's amazing. I'll eat the fuck out of bugs. Dude, seriously. Those bastards. Yeah. There you go. All right, Doug. They sound delicious. Bring on the anabolic bird. This clause brought to you by Organified. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies after a whole food nutrition, Organified fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health and performance the added edge. Try Organified totally risk-free for 60 days by going to Organified.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com. And use a coupon code MINDPUMP for 20% off at checkout. All right. Our first question is from ASAPBob. Is it more important for athletes to hit their macro count and focus on a diet that keeps inflammation to a minimum? So this is one of those either or? Well, no. I don't think it's either or. I think he's saying, like, do you think it's more important for an athlete or like a normal, compared to like a normal person who's probably trying to just get in shape? And he also brings in, talks about inflammation. So I don't think it's more important for an athlete to track their macros. In fact, if there's anybody who could probably get away with loosely tracking them, how many athletes have you guys met? A ton of athletes. Athletes never track macros. Yeah, they eat where the fuck they want. They're terrible with their nutrition for the most part. They're burning so much they're not concerned about. I'm telling you, I have to give the meat sticks to Justin. Dude, I can't do that. I'm sitting here. Is that a bug one, too, or is it a normal one? Can I have a normal one? Let me have one of those. No, come on. We're running according to podcasts. So what, dude? Jesus, why are you giving me so many? Everybody knows us. Stickler. Whatever. We're going to piss off the one new person who's on here. We don't normally eat on the fucking set. Sorry, we're still in professional. Let me get back on track. So this is an interesting question because what is a diet that keeps inflammation at a minimum? That is different from person to person. Some people would say a low carbohydrate, high fat, moderate protein diet will keep inflammation low and some studies will show that that's actually true. Other people will say it's a vegan diet that will keep inflammation low and some studies will show that that's true. So the bottom line is if you have an intolerance to particular types of foods or if particular macro counts don't work well for your gut, they're going to cause inflammation regardless of the food quality or anything like that. So you can even eat the best food quality, but if your body doesn't work well with a high fat, low carb type diet and you may get more inflammation, and the same is true for a vegan diet. In terms of what's more important or nutrition is extremely important. It's the other half of the equation. Now I don't subscribe to the whole nutrition is 80% of your success and training is 20%. I think it's 50-50. I think they're both extremely important. If you're an athlete, you need to have good training, good exercise program. I think what's hard with an athlete is that if you could have an energy base. I'll think of two different scenarios. You have an athlete who is tracking his macros. So that person who's tracking his macros, sure he can keep inflammation down. They're going to be a little bit leaner. They may be able to build some more muscle because they're on top of all this stuff. But then the person who doesn't track whatsoever, it takes that same energy that that person put into tracking macros he puts or she puts into perfecting their skill and playing the sport more or doing it more. That person in sport life is going to carry, that's going to carry over and benefit them more than that person who's doing that. Now in a perfect world, you do both, right? I tell you what though. Let's say you're training a high school or college athlete. Where do you think if you were coaching them, right? Let's say they're in college. They've got the whole strength training program and everything like that going on. Where do you think you'd be able to give them the most edge with their diet or with their training? Only because everybody's neglecting it. And to be honest, going through the process of it, I was able to get a scholarship to play and with that, we basically were allowed to go to the cafeteria and eat. And so that was my option because otherwise I had to go get a job and pay outside to go get food elsewhere, right? It becomes like, for a lot of athletes. After you did that, they stopped that whole program, right? They stopped. I ate all their losing money. Not me. You should have seen the other beasts that were in front of me. Trust me. But yeah, honestly, because it's so demanding, refueling was the high priority. It was just like, how much can I refeed and recover in order to then survive sort of the next grueling practice that you have to endure. What were your go-to meals back then? I mean, with cafeterias, you barely get any protein. It was so frustrating. It's always carbs, huh? Yeah. It was terrible, man. It was like so much starchy shit that like, dude, if I was to do it all over again, I mean, my diet would look completely different and very heavy. If I did get a lot of the carbohydrates, obviously most would be from vegetables and maybe more potatoes and things like that if I have to go starch. I think you're right, Sal. I think that if we were to look at a college kid then for sure. Only because you would separate them from the pack. Well, yeah. I mean, there doesn't have to be a college kid. I'm even a kid, right? Anybody who's college or younger. Now, I think that's a lot of what separates some of the pros, right? Some of the pros, not only did you have the genetics, not only did you have the work ethic, but then on top of that too, you're doing all the little things, right? Well, because it's a performance enhancement too. So like where I was trying to get to was if, you know, so there's survival mode, right? And that's one portion of it, like getting through the week and the grueling practices and whatnot, but you know, leading up into actual like timing out my energy leading up to the game. So actually restricting what I'm eating significantly and then reintroducing and then like adding like good carbohydrates to fuel me going into the game. Like I only did that a handful of times. And when I did, I'll tell you what, man, I was like on point. I was sharp and I was explosive and I moved well and it was a different kind of an energy. So it definitely makes a difference. Yeah, this is the thing. Like if you're an athlete and you're competing in a sport in high school or college, focus on your nutrition. You will be way ahead of your peers. I mean, everybody's working out at that point. Everybody's training for their sport. Of course, you can have good exercise programming. That'll be better than the next guy, but you're not going to be working out and competing against guys who aren't working out like everybody's working out. When it comes to nutrition, most of your peers give fuck all. They do nothing. They don't care about it at all. It's literally. Hey, you're in college. You're drinking. You're drinking your stuff in your face. So if you pay some attention to your nutrition. Oh my God. Yeah, it's between that and sleep. Oh, what a great point. Absolutely great point. Yeah, you get good sleep and eat right. And you're on a whole other level. Everybody else is not doing that at all. Nothing. Yeah. Next question is from Cone J. I seem to be more productive at night. And I usually finish work late is working out at after midnight and getting less sleep better than skipping a workout. So sounds like it sounds like it's a toss up, right? Yeah, it's like Robin Peter to pay Paul. Right. You know, here's your thing. Like you got to, there's, you have your base fundamentals that you need for your, for health. And then there's things that are on top of that, that are still important, but less important. And on the bottom you have, are you getting enough water? Are you eating, you know, are you getting enough nutrients because you don't want any nutrient deficiencies? Do you have shelter? And are you getting enough sleep? That's actually there. Sleep is so important that they've done, they'll do studies on people and they'll restrict them of sleep. And we can measure within a day, reductions in cognitive performance. We can measure within a day, hormonal changes. We can show, in fact, if you restrict someone from sleeping for something like 24 hours alone. You know, unpack that so people understand too that like most people can't put that together. This is literally, there's not a lot of things that are like that. Right. We can go without water for days. We can go without food for days. You can miss a workout and still perform great. Right. You miss one night of sleep and you are fundamentally affecting everything in a big way. Even if you think you feel good. And every day that goes on beyond that is just worse, right? And that's an extreme analogy because this person obviously isn't not sleeping at all. But you know, think about it, if you deprive yourself an hour or two there, you deprive yourself another hour or two, that all adds up, you know? Yeah, the problem with sleep, with humans, is that we can function on basic levels pretty okay with restricted sleep. And so that we fool ourselves into thinking like that we're okay. Like, oh, I can get by. I'm good with six hours of sleep. We can just continually do this. Yeah. And then we feed ourselves caffeine and all that stuff. And I'm okay. I'm okay. I'm okay. When in fact you're not. And again, this is pretty settled and established science. Now, of course, the amount of sleep that you need can vary between individuals. Quality of sleep is also very important. So it's not just that you're sleeping for eight hours or whatever that you actually have quality sleep. But no, I would not miss sleep for a workout unless it was a small amount and it was rare. I simply wouldn't do it. Now, ideally in this situation, you would do both. So ideally what you would do is you would prioritize sleep and your workout and schedule it and structure it so that you can do both of them. If that means you have a shorter workout, then so be it. If it means that you work even more productively so you can finish early, then so be it. But that would be the ideal situation is to not miss either one. But if you absolutely have to pick... Sleep wins, dude. Nothing. Yeah, nothing's above that. Yeah, sleep wins more than... So skipping a workout is not going to be detrimental to you as much as not sleeping is going to be. You know how often I used to... I would push myself to the point where I get sick. And there's so much sleep I get sick. And I know this is against the motivation message that's out there, right? So do it. You just got to do it. Just got to add more work. And I do think that there is some validity at right. There is some that, okay, you know what? If you're somebody who makes excuses all the time and you're lazy and you don't do things like that, then like, okay, I told myself I was going to get started. Yes, I didn't sleep well last night. That's just an excuse. I'm going to the gym no matter what. I understand that. I could get that. But that's not something you would want to make as a regular habit that's going on. Well, I saw a video. I know it was just kind of tongue-in-cheek. And it was this guy doing little micro workouts. And so he was like in his office and stretchy pants and doing these micro workouts and getting it in. But you have to assess where to get it in during the day. Like when you're active and you're up and you're... There's a way that you can do it, even if it's only 10 minutes, period-wise, like we do our trigger sessions, something like that, where at least you're getting activity out of your muscles and you're getting stimulus for the meantime until your schedule allows it. You know, it's funny. It wasn't that long ago where if you told an executive or an entrepreneur that working out would enhance their performance at work that they'd laugh at you. It wasn't that long ago. Like if you went up to a business person, an executive, a hard, charging, type A individual and you said to them, hey, listen, if you devote three hours a week to exercise, so if you go to the gym three days a week, you're gonna perform better at work. They would have said, that's stupid because I'm not gonna waste an hour working out when I can spend that hour working. Now today, you'll hardly have any arguments. Today, pretty much everybody agrees that if you exercise, you'll produce better at work than if you don't. And part of this was I credit Tony Robbins. Tony Robbins, the famous motivational speaker, made it cool or at least helped people understand that fitness was part of your overall performance and he would talk about this all the time, how his exercise regime makes him a more effective entrepreneur and then all of a sudden people started realizing, hey, studies will prove this, if you exercise, you're more productive at work, less sick days, you're just gonna be a better, more productive person. Now when you say sleep does the same thing, people will argue with you, which is funny because it's more important than your work out. Which is interesting, I was gonna say, because he came in with that angle. Now all you see in all these entrepreneur magazines and everything is who's getting up the earliest? And it's like this competitive thing to... This is, that is something that's funny. Who's getting up super early and be the most productive? That's such a big thing right now. It's the martyrs, the whole martyr mentality. And by the way, sleeping too much is bad too. Of course. Because that could signify depression, it can signify health issues. So we're not telling you like go and crash out and sleep 10 hours every night. But don't skimp on your sleep if you're a productive person with work, if you're an entrepreneur. Getting adequate sleep and getting quality sleep will make you far more effective at what you're trying to do. It will not take away from what you're trying to do. So although you may think to yourself, you may be sitting at work, you may be sitting at home and thinking to yourself, okay, I can either go to bed now or I can spend another hour working. Which one's going to be more productive for me? You may think that that hour working is more productive and it may be in the short term, but definitely not in the medium or long term. So aim for the sleep. It's one of the most important things you could do for not just your health, but your productivity. Amy E. Jolly. What are the pros and cons of having a male versus female coach for a woman? This is a good question. It's a good question because there's a few things that you do or few professions that I can think of where that's still a question that they'll ask the consumer. There's two things I can think of. Massage and training where you will actually ask the client, do you prefer a female or male? Almost no other job would you ask. That's a good point. I'm trying to give another situation where I've been asked do you want a male or a female? You're not going to be like, call a plumber and they'll be like, hey, do you want a man or a woman to call? Which is interesting. They would think apparently there is a sex man. I love that you use that analogy though because it's one of the things that used to drive me crazy and we used to get it all the time. We get it all the time in the gym. We used to get it all the time on the show too. Why don't you guys bring a female host on there? It doesn't make sense to me. That's not the right statement. Why don't you bring another qualified person to talk? Regardless of the gender. Regardless of the gender. I don't know why we... I think it's such a sexist thing to think that way like male or female. I do think that... I think for training purposes a female version of myself is better than me. And that's just because I think the ability to be empathetic and... Probably because the consumer may connect easily. Right. They're more empathetic. They will connect probably better. I mean, if all things are equal, right? Like our skill set. She's got the exact same... It's identical. Yeah, she's identical. If I'm a male, I'm a male. Difference is vagina or penis. Right. That's the only difference. But because of that, she now has traits that I think are beneficial for sales, for being a trainer, for things like that. Also too, for understanding somebody who's going through struggles too as she's getting trained. So it's like, I think that women have a better job at doing that than men do. So if you have all things equal, I think... Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing. If you're a female consumer, this is just my experience in the gyms, right? If you're a female consumer, you will prefer male or female or whatever. You'll just say, it doesn't matter. If you're a male, rarely does a guy say he wants a female coach. And that's true. Unless he's creeping a little. I've almost never had a man by training it. Well, let's talk about why that is. Ego. Well, yes, that. And there is some truth to this that I definitely had signed people up who bought personal training. And I've got this cute little fiery personal trainer who works for me. But she's 105 pounds. And to lift 100 pound dumbbell and hand it to him before he does a chest press or spot him on a bench for 315, he's concerned as she is too. Sure. You know what I'm saying? She's not... This is not a good match. But that's rare because the average client that buys training at a gym is an out of shape person. And most of my female trainers were stronger than the guys that would hire them. Right, totally. So it's usually, believe it or not, this is more an issue with the male consumer. Male consumers typically don't want to work with them. I used to see it, I think mainly it was the concern from like, especially some of the married women that would come in that were worried that they're... Because the jealous asshole type of guy that's going to have a problem with all this time you're spending with this male trainer. I used to get that a lot. Bro, I think at the end of the day, pros, cons wise, I mean, it really comes down to if you have the two, like I said, that are exactly this, or you have a male or female, if one of them is just the slightest bit more qualified, that makes them better. You know what I'm saying? Whether it be that experience, whether it be education, whether it be communication, whether it be program design, whether it be understanding of nutrition, if they have an edge on the other person, I don't give a fuck what sex it is, that's the better trainer. I think it's really, it's a personality thing more than anything. Absolutely. If you vibe well with somebody regardless. Well, this is what I did for 10 years. For 10 years, I was one who trafficked most of the guests that came in and bought personal training. They met me first before they met their personal trainer. And my job was to know my staff so well that I, by meeting somebody for five minutes. You guys will jail. Right. I could say this guy's going to be great for Justin, or this girl's going to be great for this. And sometimes it was the opposite sex, and sometimes it's the same sex. Never, though, was that like a factor like, oh, because this is a female, I'm going to give this a female. I never thought like that. I always thought like, oh, wow, they have a story, and I know Melanie, she had this as a child, and so she's going to connect really well with her, and they're going to be able to share that. That's a great, had nothing to do with her sex. It has more to do with her story and her character. It's funny that people would get jealous too, like husbands, because I'd see that too. Like, oh my, you know, I have to hire a female because my husband or my boyfriend doesn't want me to working with a male trainer, which is like, whatever. We're helping you out. Well, part of it is the industry itself. Let's be real. Well, I mean, personal trainers. Remember that stat I posted for you guys? 72% of trainers sleep with their clients. Was it that? 72%. Sleep with some of their clients? Yeah. That's terrible. I know, I just scared every wife right now that he does that. I knew too that I worked with it. I was like, really? Dude, I, so I had a buddy who owned a gym who had a female trainer who used to sleep with her female clients. Wow. And they were married women. She was like, she was like, he's like, Sounds like an awesome movie. Dude, I was going to say, it sounds like something I watched on Netflix. Bro, he would tell me, he's like, he had to get a wish on Netflix. He got rid of her because he found out about all this stuff. And he's like, it's crazy because some of these women were, I would assign them to this other female trainer because their boyfriends or husbands didn't want them working with a male trainer. Right. And then of course. And then she would shark them. Yeah, she would fucking shark them. So he had to fire her. Oh, that's hilarious. How crazy. That's hilarious. Yeah, no, it doesn't matter. Here's the deal. There are no pros and cons other than the ones you make up in your own head. Right. Pick the one that you gel with the best that's got the best qualifications. And don't worry about whether or not they have a penis or vagina. Yeah. Next question is from Siggy66. Hey, Siggy. What are your thoughts on transitioning into minimalist shoes? I often have knee pain whenever I wear thick sold shoes, which I think causes a whole host of issues throughout my body with all the connective tissue. So I wanted this question because it's probably been It's been a minute. 300, 400 episodes since we've even brought up minimalist shoes. And I'll tell you that my opinion on them has evolved and changed. Totally. Yeah. So I definitely, when they first came out, you know, I remember being like, Oh, here we go. You know, they're fucking fat shoes. Just what I want to see is your fucking weird ass toes everywhere I go. Right. So I was super anti them. But there's definitely a place for it. And I think if you know that, and I'm for sure was one of these people who I had poor connection to my feet. I couldn't wiggle my toes. Well, my ankle pronated on both sides. It was excessive on the right side. I mean, so I just, I may as well not even had fucking feet. You know what I'm saying? Like I just, I'm all ankles. I'm all ankles. No feet, you know, not even connected to them. And I now practice, I don't wear shoes like this, but I most certainly walk around barefoot all the time now in our studio. I trained barefoot yesterday. Like that has become a staple thing for me. So for that, and if you're aware of that with yourself, you're somebody who's probably disconnected from his feet and you know that, and it could be causing pain everywhere else. Yeah, no, I'm a fan. Now that being said, if you just switch into minimalist shoes. No, there's a process. And you expect. Excellent point. To have all these. Excellent point because you'll still pronate. You're fucked. Yeah, the recruitment patterns are still there. Yeah. So if you, if your feet tend to pronate and you wear shoes that correct that and you wear big padding on your shoes and you think, oh, I'm going to go into minimal shoes and it's going to fix my ankle and knee problems, you're going to make them. They're actually going to make them worse because you didn't fix the problem. You just went into a less supportive shoe. Put a lot more stress to that. It is a slow process. I remember when, so when this first got popular, what was that book? It was a book that came out where this runner wrote about how he traveled the different parts of the world and there was that tribe in Mexico that runs since they're kids. Then there's, you know, the Kenyans who run barefoot and he filmed these tribes and stuff of people where in some cases, you know, people in their 70s and 80s were still running like 10 miles a day with no problems and he was shocked that they had no knee problems, no back problems, but they all ran barefoot and so what he did is he filmed these people running and what he noticed was the way that you run when you're barefoot is different than the way... The gate's totally different. The gate's very different. You strike with the forefoot first because the foot and the ankle actually act like a massive shock absorber in the body. When you're running with big thick padded shoes, you take it out. You actually hit heel first and you're taught to hit heel first. Well, you're a lot more forward in your posture. Your posture changed. Everything changes. So he said, oh, shit, we need to be running barefoot and then that spurred this movement where you had all these runners all of a sudden threw away their running shoes. And like anything in the fitness industry, there's some truth to it and then we take something and we bastardize it. And that's what they did. They threw away their running shoes. They threw away their foot and then everybody had major problems and their soleus and their ankles and their feet and their hips and their knees and their backs because we grew up wearing soles. Dude, they didn't transition. No. Like it's a slow transition. So if you're going to go from thick padded, you know, type of shoes, supportive shoes, you got to learn how to do foot exercises. Do them all the time. Get yourself to the point where you can connect to your feet. Then you can strengthen the archers. Prime Pro gets deep into all this. And I've shared some stuff on YouTube. I've shared some stuff on mine. This has been a big deal for me. So this is, you know, I went from being somebody who had really, really poor connection. I think I'm pretty good. Like I can train. I can do a very deep squat loaded as heavy as I could with shoes on. Now I can do that barefoot just a year ago. I couldn't do that a year ago. I would have to get that kind of depth to be that connected to not pronate. I would have to be all strapped up and everything. So there's a lot of muscle and connective tissue on your feet. And I think that we have just like ignored that fact for so long. We think it's like a flipper. Yeah. It's like, this is just like exactly. Yeah. This is just a board that I'm moving in space. It's like, no. Like it's you're stabilizing constantly from like so many different directions. All different kinds of forces. I think it's so important though to know what you said. So I can't, you just got to reiterate that is that it's not the shoes aren't what's going to fix the issues because if you've already trained yourself to be in shoes for so many years. What you have. Yeah. Work on it. Yeah. For sure the issues are still there. So I think that it's kind of reminds me of is like telling somebody about how I feel about chiropractors too. Like if you go see a chiropractor and you just get adjusted and then you go back. Feel better for me. Yeah. You're going to go right back to your same patterns and then your body's going to be in the same position again. Well the feet are the same thing. Like if you're not, if you're not doing the corrective work with and if you want to switch into minimalist shoes, get yourself enrolled in Maps Prime Pro or some other kind of program that has elements that focus on strengthening the feet, the toes and the ankles. Start training your feet on a regular basis. Ramp yourself up. Do it slowly over time to where you start to realize. Which by the way, sorry to interrupt you, Gimba, that you doing this wearing minimalist shoes is less important than the work because you could wear chucks or wear normal shoes and put all the work in and you'll fix more problems with your feet than you will by switching over to minimalist shoes. That's right. That's something you had to keep in mind is that. No, this is everything. The minimalist shoes are not okay. So let me continue and I'll tell you what the minimalist shoes are for. Do the exercises on a regular basis. Strengthen your feet. Get them better and more connected over a long period of time. Start walking barefoot at home. Now with the minimalist shoes will do after you've done this for a while, like six months to a year, is you're going to do less damage because if you're doing all these exercises and you're strengthening your feet and getting them connected and then you go put on those big thick supportive shoes. Now you're kind of fighting what you've done with your feet in terms of correcting them because now you're wearing these thick shoes. So what minimalist shoes do is they minimize the damage or the poor recruitment patterns that a big shoe or a maximalist shoe would normally do. And that's why you wear minimalist shoes. Not because they're superior to the thick big shoes but because they will help minimize the damage that shoes actually create. Well, when you're connected all the way to the ground like that, you can, at least for me, I could feel when I would deviate. So I would notice if I was going to the restroom and I would see it, my ankles would, I'm thinking about peeing. I'm not thinking about how I'm standing. And all of a sudden I would see my boom, my ankle pronate. And when your feet, your toes are on the ground and you can feel that, it's a lot easier to see and feel. When you're inside of a shoe, it's really tough to see that. You look down, your sneakers at your left, your right one looks exactly the same. You know what I'm saying? They don't look like you can't see it. You don't see it unless you have it excessive. If you have a really bad, which by the way, if you're somebody who has, if you look at the inside of your shoes and it's all smashed like hammered out. Yeah, worn out inside or, oh man, that's really bad. Like you're pronating really bad. Now what are the benefits of doing this besides the fact that now you get to wear minimalist shoes? Better movement in your exercises, better walking, better health of your ankles, your knees, your hips, your low back, your core, better muscle activation when you work out. Oh, it stems all the way up your entire body. All the way up the entire body. It is super worth it. And it's actually, there's few things, look, there's been a few things that Adam, Justin and myself have been blown away by since we started Mind Pump. Because when we started Mind Pump, we'd already been doing this for a long time. So, you know, when we did something really fucking shake the foundation of what you understand with fitness, this was one of them. Yeah, that's why I wanted to talk about it. I didn't realize just how much of an impact, strengthening my feet and ankles would have on everything. You didn't get any emphasis in any of this sort of a case. It's not sexy. It's not sexy. It's not sexy. The footwork that I have to do is so lame and tedious, I get why nobody markets to it. Feet are disgusting. Nobody talks about it. Nobody wants to do it and I'll tell you what, 30 years of my life I didn't do anything for my feet and my ankles. Nothing. And, like, that's for sure a staple prime movement that I do before is get all my ankles and my feet all connected again and it makes a huge difference. And then once you've put the working, because it was a long road for the first six months to a year for me, now it's just making sure I stay on it. You know, making sure that I'm staying on and I'm staying connected. I'm doing the barefoot stuff or if you've got the minimalist shoes, yes. Well, some of them out there, yeah, some of them out there. Some of them don't have the foot, the toes. Yeah, those are the ones I like. But they have the wide toe box. They still kind of look weird. Looks like a big old like a clip. Yeah, they're getting better. The ones I used to have they would shred. I feel like chucks are really close to being right there. You know what I'm saying? My eyes stick with chucks. Here's the people who will benefit most from working on their feet and ankles are women that wear high heels a lot. Oh, of course. I mean, you're talking about a crazy horrible recruitment pattern that you develop from wearing heels all day long. I have my aunt. So my aunt is a professional in the banking industry. She's very, very good at what she does. She always dresses very professional, obviously, and has worn heels every day for work for, I don't know, 25 years or so. Right. If she walks around barefoot, she gets plantar fasciitis and she gets issues in her ankles from walking barefoot because her foot has just to be elevated. It's just so her body has accustomed to this freaking horrible, and she's got an incredible anterior pelvic tilt, causes back pain. So I told her, you know, try walking barefoot, and she sends me a text and she's like, oh, my God, I walked barefoot yesterday and my feet are killing me, my ankles, and I'm like, oh, shit, I have to scale it. I have to get you to go to just shorter heels at first and then slowly progress you out of it. So there you go. Check it out. Mind Pump TV. It is the premier fitness channel on YouTube. We actually won first place in a contest that was judged by me, Adam and Justin. Yeah. 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