 Okay, so I'll call the meeting back to order and now we're in the town office meeting room and It is now 635 so first on the agenda with the Comments who wants to go first? Oh I just said who wants to go first so this is Okay, I guess I'm here because I sent you guys a letter About possible the potential ATV ordinance that you're talking about and just want to make sure that you got it and Have you read it? And so I think that says everything that I Think I feel very strongly that you should not allow ATVs on any roads in more town. I won't go into a lot of detail But it's as far as I'm concerned it's totally incompatible with our town plan and it's not compatible with motor vehicle safety So I think my letter that I sent says it all That to be in your records So I should just copy those letters Where they in our packet Okay You know, I'd like to talk more about it like you know, if you have it down in his own business I would like to discuss it more If that's fine Okay, yeah Yeah, we definitely Nice old business panting sewing it's up. It's entirely up you. Yeah, but if Joe if Joe gabbery is not coming then we have Yeah, some extra time. Okay Now with the the For the ATV ordinance, that's just under old business pending, but it's it's not on the actual agenda See what happens to the whole business is we we go down to the what's what's basically Meeting after meeting after meeting it's the same old business. It's there Just to see if there's any updates on and I know that Both Cali and Ray were doing some other work on the ordinance since our last meeting so So let's just let's just talk about it now since you're all everybody's here. Yeah Really, what are you folks thinking I'm kind of in shock actually Yeah Yeah The state had it as I understand that ATVs could be on Class four robes and that's how it was. It was a state Rule the town had in essence allowed that and the state has since Changed Where they are how they are doing that so it became basically the town putting in an ordinance for them to do that We feel like an ordinance would Go when you when you set up the ordinance, you're gonna have to post On the road that ATVs can come here and that's going to cause more time So that the Increase tax on the road would have an adverse impact on I think we need to really stress here though I think you're misinterpreting state law And the reason the state and I think I say it in my letter It was badly yet. It was a badly edited state law a lot of organizations disagree with that Interpret the interpretation of bassa that you could be on class for because they're not plowed the intent of the law really from the beginning was to keep ATVs out of regular traffic So to say you can ride on a class for on plowed road Any time a year doesn't keep them out of traffic. They're not safe on public roads They're not meant to be they weren't designed to manufacture to be on public roads with regular traffic So you can't say that you could drive on those class for roads during the summer time With all the other traffic that's on the road and say that that was legal in the past and never was So there's no reason to go actually make it we go now By the town so right now any vehicle as long as it is registered and inspected can go from Lynch Hill to Heron Brook Any vehicle as long as you have a registration You got a plate and you have a sticker any vehicle can do that on the class for as long as you're registered and inspected So If we're talking about safety Knowing how wide that road is and all the blind corners on that road. I would honestly be more concerned about getting Meeting up with a truck with 37 inch tires and 78 inch lift in it then I would potentially in the TV Exactly, and that's a majority of the problem up there is the trucks destroying Private property. I think that's another whole issue So I think the thing with the ATV's right now, they aren't legal. They've never been legal in Traffic, they're really meant to be on public property and I cited in the letter The ATV Manufacturers Association says they should never be on public roads They're meant for private property They're designed a manufacturer for Out of regular traffic, they don't need federal motor vehicle standards So I think the whole issue with all of the other problems that are out there is kind of different and What we really don't want is like I said before there was an ordinance in the past To open the roads to ATV's and it was a nightmare Callie you are living there. So you missed it But it I was a member. We never did sign the ordinance. Yeah, it was like a Temporary we talked about it. Yeah, we never passed an ordinance So but everybody so you didn't even have to pass it and everybody believed that we're down open those roads And it created a huge amount of traffic. It put us on the map. It didn't but that was But the map came out prematurely. It was not something that was authorized or by the sun but Let me kind of state where I'm coming from on this. Okay, because Where are the I see I see all the ATV's I see as many as you I'm sure Yeah, and My problem is I see unregistered uninsured Unhelmeted people going by my house all the time. Yeah, and my feeling is The only way we're going to get any type of control on this is to pass an ordinance and with some bite to it that will that we can enforce it and and Keep myself and people that want to legally ride these roads Out there, you know, I feel as a citizen as a taxpayer in more town These won't be these classical roads and trails are part mine like yours and if I want to ride an ATV on them Respectively, I should be able to do that and there there are a lot of people Residents in our neighborhood our group that that drive like I do respectfully and I don't think we need to break the law to do that and I'm trying to Work out some sort of solution to that Running people off the road To get control of that what we need is law enforcement Well, that's it if we can And this is an early stage of this if we can get a license fee or some fees from the people that want to use these roads to Offset the cost of the You know the regulation Yeah Fountain it's a timber company I think one thing that we should lose in this is that and maybe the word ATV ordinance was the wrong Word at this early stage. I think what Ray and tally when they start we started talking about it Coming out of COVID into the summer is they've been trying to just work on and do some brainstorming Yes on how to how to deal with this issue or this item So no, it's not there's nothing in stone Yeah, no, I mean, I think this is the beginning of you know, yes some community engagement to talk about, you know, how this can be I mean, I I'm not you know, I'm not personally an ATV user. So, you know, I don't know anything about it But I know that we do have an issue. So it's good to try to work on In red your comment was we didn't even make the ordinance and they put it on the map What that is saying is if you're making some sort of ordinance, you're putting it on the map and you're going to track people So so unless you have you want to make an ordinance with bite, that's great But I don't know where the bike's gonna come because the town has no teeth Okay, we've been guilty of this for as long as I've lived there Over 10 years and we've never been we call you've got state police coming to meetings and saying We're not coming out there. We're not gonna enforce it. The town will provide any money for enforcement I call up the state police and I say there's like three or four dirt bikes out here racing up and down the street It's dangerous. Can you come out and before the next kid gets killed because we've already had a kid get killed We're not a completely different situation wait because Malik was killed we were there on the corner My best friend died up there Okay, on the opposite side of the road. Yeah, there has not been an ATV fatality on that road And I know there hasn't because I called the state police today and I had them check And they stated that there was no fatality When It's brought what's brought people out there to be racing on the road whether it's an ATV a dirt bike Munch rock anything else is that there's no law enforcement And the ATV had a meeting I think it was about eight ten years ago. We had a meeting about all that was going on and The state trooper the lieutenant from the barracks head of the barracks stands up in the meeting and tells everybody publicly We are not coming out there. We're not going to force anything So that's another issue. So it isn't that there's deaths by ATVs It's the kind of behavior that's out there that there's no law enforcement and we haven't seen it and there have there's been There's been two deaths of another one was a kid with a skull fracture And it's people coming out there because there's no law enforcement and they know it So you have an ordinance that says come on out You're going to buy more people out there It will be open to anybody with an ATV Potentially or what people will hear is more time is open open its roads to ATVs and they don't read the rest of the ordinance Then I'm going to read the rest of it. They're just going to call and what was also stated previously was is In teaming up what the state police recommended was teaming up with Vassa because with Vassa Comes their own enforcement by a game working though, which can do that Yeah And then all sorts of subsidiary All right Vassa works fine on private trails They probably do a good job taking care of the Vassa trails on private property because ultimately If a landowner doesn't know what doesn't like what's going on There's bad behavior Close down overnight the town's not gonna be able to do that You're not going to be able to control that and I really don't think the town should succeed Their authority to a private organization that actually has a conflict of interest I also don't think you should be in doing anything to encourage Increased traffic in the preserve especially I mean on any more town road But especially in the preserve district it's been preserved Like I said before we even moved here and part of the preserve is discouraged development Increased traffic is a big impact from development. It's a developmental impact Without building a structure. So I don't know why you want We have preserved zone to protect the environment To protect a peaceful environment for the people who live there Why would you create a situation where you're going to invite? ATV traffic dirt bike traffic and along with them ends up coming even more mutters Have you read their ad though It doesn't matter It does matter because in their ad they are blatantly encouraging log traffic They are saying that road is open to any logging traffic That's the point so logging traffic is okay Logging traffic is a traditional use in Vermont. It's always been okay to be locked off to lock That road has always been open to lock That's too pretty respectful When the lawyers when they're driving most of them, not all of them, most of them have been very respectful in years They don't drive when the kids are on the road They stop, they stop by your place and wait You're talking about the law here They were regulated for erosion They were actually blocking the road and accepting penalties To see to see what I'm going in there and ruining the road for the bigger tracks for their log traffic So for all the talking about safety on the road, let's talk about pedestrian traffic. I walk my dog I'm herring for food every morning and typically every afternoon. I have almost been hit Multiple times by multiple different people on that road Multiple times if we want to talk about safety on the road There was a person riding her horse on wordbrook who was hit by a vehicle in the corners, so and we're not talking about any other traffic besides people driving on the road Right, so why increase? We should not be increasing traffic I'm more worried about getting hit by somebody driving to work in the morning walking my dog on the Herringbrook Than I am about getting hit by someone on their ATV And the ATV is statistically the most dangerous vehicle on the road That's just, statistically they aren't designed for safety and speed on a hard taxi for a minute Road cars have safety regulations that they have to meet ATVs don't meet them for the conditions that you find on a hard taxi What if someone were to come to you and say You know, we have a way of basically slowing down the amount of ATV use And damages and so on and so forth Is that something to be in favor of? No, I don't believe it. Nobody's done anything for the past Oh that's because we've never had anything at all I mean, with anything that's pros and cons And right now it's a bad situation So what we want to do is if in fact An ordinance does come to pass What we want to do is to make sure that it's designed So that we reduce the amount of misuse And I think that's what Ray and Callie have been working on I would suggest that before you do anything to say allow for out there There's plenty of state law already that ought to just be enforced If you don't need an ordinance to have a certified law enforcement officer Go out there and ticket people for not being registered Excuse me, registered and you're supposed to carry insurance Then get some law enforcement time out there And start ticketing people for no registration and lack of insurance And if we call If I call up and say there's a couple of dirt bikes out here Racing back and forth on the road Can you come? Somebody's gotta come out I think if you need to have a presence out there So people realize the bad actors realize You can't do this out here And we will watch And I think before you ever even think about opening up the road And maybe doing something We need to see the enforcement out there happening now It has to be part of it It would have to be part of the ordinance You decided two years but we're not going to budge it for that anymore You guys thought you were on your own over there And then you take the budget away and you're overwhelmed with all this traffic And I still have to go back to The town plan has almost half this town is preserved to protect it And you're talking about passing an ordinance That's going to create a pretty big development impact On that area And you're thinking of like Thinking maybe it's not development because nobody's building anything But the effect is Without even building anything You could have a huge impact on the environment over there By bringing in crowds of ATVs on the weekends That's why I disagree that there will be more crowds What I'm seeing now is a lot of friends Of friends like the center of my area I think coming up to this loop I mean the loop is seven miles It's not that great a trade I mean true ATVers want to go 50 miles Make a big loop There's a long route There's a long route There's a loop Which is a long route Then there's a long route Which is a long route But we saw the last time It was like some kind of interim It didn't really get passed We had people coming from Rutland Coming all the way from Rutland With several vehicles And they destroyed the trail through our property To respond to your question I'd be interested in what kind of process With community involvement The ordinance would go through Because our impressions from the My impressions from the minutes Is that it would kind of be What about here And kind of become To get more input Yeah, but we haven't gotten to that yet Well, I was hoping that At least get this discussion going And perhaps at town me And we can even have a non-binding referendum Whatever a vote To see how much interest there is And if it's true The more town residents really don't want this In any way Then I'm fine with that And I think, again I'm only doing this Because I see a real problem With people going by my house And somebody's going to get hurt Right on Jones Brook Road The first thing to do to take care of that Is to get a law enforcement Like you said You can call down there But what am I going to say There's no place to report I don't know who these people are I have tried to follow some In my truck at night time And they're gone I have no We have tried to buy a motorcycle To the wheelie from my house All the way down to Wardbrook Right So it's like allowing A law firm position is Just allowing and putting it out to the public Come on down Is going to make that worse Yeah, that's not the You've got to I've got to sell the law enforcement first I disagree that being someone Who's ridden on Bassa trails Most of the people who ride on those trails Again, that's race that they want to be Over in Northfield with the Miles and miles of trails Systems that are out there That's where they want to be And the people who you are attracting Are the people who are taking their kids out In their side by side They're being respectful They're following everything The people who are with Bassa are I've ridden Bassa trails in Northfield And in Sheffield The issue of Bassa trails And the opening of public roads to Bassa Are two different issues And I think Washington would love to have Access to the oil trails Through more kind of industry On public roads We should not be turning public roads Over to a private organization Public property It's not public property It's a public right of way And it's a right of way Right of way through our property So you're turning over It's almost like you're turning some of the Supervision or whatever of that property Which is really ours You've got to ride away You're turning that over To a private organization Who has a conflict of interest With actually the property owner's interest That may be in the town interest Bassa wouldn't really be able to do anything Off of Haringbrook anyway Because that is owned by Bountain tonight Can say with pretty confidence That Bountain would not allow that So it would literally just be the road Why were you saying to bring Bassa in to do It was suggested by the state police To connect with Bassa Because they have that opportunity They have some of the connections They can make different connections There are other ways Instead of going that way There are other ways to go You should be turning public rights Of the way over to a private organization And Bassa's far from It's interested in giving you advice Yeah They want access to your road It's the farst option Because the state police said that Bassa was dead Bassa can't connect with anything In more town anyway Because to get from more town To the Bassa trails in Northfield You have to go through the winery And the winery said no So Bassa really doesn't want anything to do with us But they could be a resource In helping with some of those I thought they said they could help with enforcement The Bassa And they have enforcement on their trails I don't know what they do for enforcement What's good about Bassa on private property Is that a private landlord can They won't come to stop itself It stops the next day When it's public road Once they have access If something untoward happens Or you want to change your money It would take years We won't get it back It took a long time to have it Actually kind of tamped down a little bit What you really need is enforcement The problem that's out there now Needs enforcement Whether it's the state or the town Somebody has to come up with the money And that's all the enforcement I agree with you I think we all agree with that So we could budget money to hire a sheriff To get up there But will they do it? We could budget all the money we want But if they say they don't have the money They don't have the people I think it really is We should have one of our legislators here But it's becoming more of I don't think it should really be on the town Because we have people coming out We have people coming from other towns So you've got a population in this town I'm not sure how many Paying the taxes And now we have to provide Law enforcement for people Coming from Montpelier, Berry, Lordfield or wherever And cover their bad behavior And how much are they coming to Morton? I don't know if you see these people But how much are they coming to Morton? Because there is no law enforcement here There's no on-the-vacid trails Because they don't want to behave They want the facetrail So they come where they don't have to be paid Because there is no law enforcement But Morton's not the only town Then Morton's not the only town And I think other states They actually have more of a county government Where I'm not sure maybe They run things toward a county level That's what Vermont needs to think differently About how they provide law enforcement overall They're not moving to individual small towns And it should be at a higher level Everything in your letters Everything that you're saying We agree with it But we're looking at Different possibilities For how are we going to fix this problem And we've been discussing about law enforcement Not just for ATVs But for everybody It's just a terrible problem What happened in the past Is we did have somebody And we basically had a sheriff Ten hours a week under contract And we ended up losing money on it We were paying out more to hire them Than any fees that they were collecting And it's even worse now And it's worse with the state police What do you see as the problem? The problem in terms of You're saying the problem is worse now I think they're understaffed They're understaffed I'm talking about the sheriff department They're understaffed Same at the state police You think they were understaffed before COVID But they got worse because of COVID As far as the amount of staff they could lose But it seems like this is the only problem It was understaffed even before that I think I even called them during COVID So before that I could call We'll put it in the database But we're not going to be out there It's just terrible It's like they only come out for a dead body It's the only time I've ever seen the state police out there Not quite sure I've seen plenty of them So maybe they're on jobs I've seen them once or twice I rarely see them And that's what I feel like They're not going to respond until I call them up Because they've got another death Life was on my hands So what was the guy They were doing the same thing With the motorcycle in the truck And I called them a week I called them a month later To turn out people were the same guys You're kidding The state police came It's the only time I've seen them So I think it's just This is just a The beginning of a discussion There's no Nothing in Nothing's been decided I think it's different From the same topic A few years ago One of the culverts walked out And it was just past Bob Ray's place Those culverts walked out And there was no traffic For like Three months And then they fixed the culvert Even if there was just One beat on the road It's a race track One beat Would make it so that Everybody has access to the property And it's not a loop It was amazing It was like three months, one summer When the culvert was out And I thought About the gate several times I don't think It would work because I think Eventually people would turn us around You have to find a way to Make more of a question After seeing Some of the Things that go on We've talked about even gating From December During my season particularly May 1st or whatever I don't think That's completely possible It's a lot to consider When you put it on the gate There is a town road People like to use them Who do you stop One gator One gator That's your job One gator would do the trick Of closing the loop While still having access To the entire road It's not I believe that's Just past green What about culvert? They had the rocks there I mean that Whenever they put the big rocks there To Because there was so much damage When they were actually logging in there And I believe that I would work in terms of People going up I thought up around the loop Isn't that true, right? People put the cinder blocks out They put the cinder blocks out It was an observation That one summer It was like 10 years ago That it was like quiet What's going on? What a difference There's obviously a lot more That we've got to discuss Let's really appreciate you It was really good I was glad to see those letters Because we definitely want Input from Dallas people And so We're just going to keep Talking about it You're absolutely right We've got to address With some type of law enforcement Everything, all of our roads Trails and so on And we've just got to do this We appreciate how difficult Your job is as a select one And we appreciate that Oh, this is the easiest part Look how long I've been doing it What's so easy? It's just a little I think it just gets A little difficult as someone Who tries to be responsible Tries to do things I mean, I know Deb, I've stopped for you Before And we've had a conversation You know, with someone who's trying To be as responsible And just Going through Because I mean, I have horses I've done a lot I know what it's like I know the common sense stuff to do And I think for those of us Who are trying to be responsible And do the right thing That we may not do it 100% of the time You know Those trying, it's frustrated And get classified in with the people who Are far from us I understand we're not classifying you by then I mean, I'll talk to you later I don't want to I'd like to talk to you later I want to camera But We know who the same People are and who they're really respectful I mean, too, I can tell you I could probably But we also know that When you open up that camera the last time and that's why I'm so kind of emotional about it. We went through it the last time and then lived through you know finding the kid in the road and dealing with that and it didn't have to happen if it wasn't you know the wild wild west out there that never we wouldn't have happened and then seeing that it could happen again for the behavior that's going on out there so I really feel strongly that if you open it up again people will come from everywhere they're going to come from other states so I went to Berlin New Hampshire is what people often talk about for the web if you want to migrate to B you should go to Berlin New Hampshire yeah so I went to the Berlin New Hampshire web their town website and on the banner of more towns website they have a picture of the church in the river during the autumn when New Hampshire has an ATV in the middle of the park we don't want that in the preserve that stuff we have more town residents who I've talked to who have said like we go to New Hampshire just because at that point their kids were able to ride which they are not in the state of Vermont which I'm perfectly fine if you're under 16 whatever but that's where they went because they had trails they paid their registration to New Hampshire and they trail were over there make a weekend out of it okay well anyway we're all on the same team and we want to work together and so any input you know that you want to give it any time please feel free to do it we really appreciate it but as you develop as the ordinance gets developed having an idea of what that is going to look like through yeah certainly well are you just going to have do you have a process for what you're doing or are you just we're just talking about it right now so when you develop that it's such a hot button topic I think you need to have some kind of working group right and that's yeah that's pretty much what we've been well as you know everything we've been doing in town we do have committees and so it would be the same thing here yeah we haven't really we've talked about it count and I've talked about it and we're just not feeling things out we really haven't got to the committee stage yet but you know maybe that is the next step you know is this the only this is really the only area in town where there's ATV use as far as we know I'd say it's the biggest is where the biggest wouldn't you say I don't know is what I'm just guessing a lot of trash we get on a road it's from uh Barry it's from Barry yeah except from a lot yeah because if you go by my house and you go straight you will end up in it's not a great road you've never been outside you've never been outside of work out what's that you've never been outside of work out on a chase road there and come into Riverton I of course I've been there okay I don't want to work down that much so I stay here all the time I guess that's to come in I'm writing the letters really appreciate it fine great see us Dave you have something for public comment okay so Joe's not coming in um the garage won't why don't we why don't we skip down to town hall if that's okay yeah that's all right okay so okay now that's that's your bill well I thought that there would be some more folks here from the committee but Kyle around here to hold before it basically we just wanted to give the board an update because we wanted to have some community engagement at more fest and so we originally thought we would do something actually at the town hall as well as more fast but we decided that it would just be a more fest because people aren't going to want to go over to the town hall I mean there's only a short window of time there and so rather than what we thought is in the future we would have some we could do some layout and show people what some I'm going to get into that in a minute about what some of the things that need to happen and possibilities and invite all the various committees in town and invite towns people to come and see some physical marks on the floor and this elders making some posters to show some design stuff so that's one of the updates that we're trying to have that sort of some some boards and some an area at the more fast where people can come and hear what's going on and also give some input or some thoughts of what they would like to see or whatever this is nothing to certainly in stone the other update to to let you know about is that one by hiring Bill Gallup who did the ABA life safety assessment if we just do that and we don't do anything per se with the library you know going forward he his and I don't know if anybody's had a chance to review what I sent you that he the documents he created but basically the building the present lift does not meet ADA code so Bill came up with an idea a design idea that we're going to show at more fast and try to you know would be incorporated into future use of the town hall again this would be just to use the town hall and the library is again another part of that I mean it's important so anyways there's a lift that would be from the basement access from around back I mean I won't take the time we could roll through the drawings right now but again I encourage you to look at that and then that lift which we're going to show what this will be in the display that lift goes to the first floor and then it goes to the stage so then that what that lift is doing is eliminating the need that we spent a lot of time thinking about all they needed to be a ramp to get up to the stage and how much room would that ramp take and the seating for parties and meetings and alike and such so that was so that was one of the things that are identified that we could do these are the things to keep our town hall so that we are ready for 2034 I believe it is when it's 200 years old so we need to we don't have that much time 2034 is going to be here soon for the 200th birthday the other thing is that we'll need to really do the water is still coming into the basement the thing by the side door with the grate and everything I mean Martin's cleaning that up three or four times a summer so part of the the the town hall project would be hiring an engineer and really doing a mitigation on how we can deal with the water in the basement so it would be the lift the mitigation there's some firecoat items for the ceiling in the basement there's some exit hardware that needs to be done and and then again just the basic building maintenance so that's just part a phase would be just that's the given the library goes somewhere else okay then what we're also going to show is how the library could look in the town hall how it could function moving forward in years to come you know so that's part of that display would be and then just another side little thing is that we we were also thinking that we would need a fire protection sprinkler system but and I don't I won't break that letter out but we don't need one as long as we work on a few other firecoat issues in the basement in terms of the ceiling and separation but based on the number of people that occupy the building we wouldn't need to add sprinkler system which is pretty good although we might want to if we invest money into and wanting our building to make it to not only 2035 but make it to 2135 I mean without you know we saw what happened to the church in Middlesex so we might want to consider sprinkler um so I think that's that's pretty much where we are right now I think the next step of of showing people in the community what we've come up with and how the phase one and then the library phase of keeping the library there how that could all function and I think what would be important another piece of that is that with it becoming more you know a whole community center because of some of the other visions and not just the library utilizing the basement fixing up the basement which we're going to try to show them how people give their input where we could have classes and people could meet there and there's a any use you could think of you know we have a the ATV meetings could be there in the basement when we get it fixed up you know um but in any event uh so that's uh we're going to show what someone knows we've had a lot of input early from community members of what they'd like to see there so that'll be part of the the more test display so to speak and then also to see what other people think or maybe other people think but let's not do anything with anything not doing anything isn't the answer we would I would think we would at least need to do that phase one type of work just to so uh I didn't read all your document John but the how is the elevator we have now non-compliant is the width it's the width the fact that you need a key to get into it you know it's not a push button kind of operation you have to go find someone out uh but mainly it's the width I could read you the yeah sections of the it's just I don't put it in we were I'm sure we were in compliance yeah that was you know way bad right and even the report that we just got from VLCT we have a problem with with the way it is right now with the way the grade is coming into the right you're at the sidewalk and stuff that they just noted in that but so basically the elevator would move back towards the back of the building yeah it would come I mean I'd love to show you the drawings yeah but yeah kind of where the steps are you know and not even talk with Johnny Summers because you know he has access to his apartments back there but there would be two handicapped spaces created back there you know kind of where the fuel tank is though I think we could relocate that fuel tank but still show where it is but there'd be two handicapped spaces there a sidewalk and you'd go in and there'd be a slight ramp because the grade is lower there and then the you know where the old post office is right now that's basically where the elevator would be okay and you know we've we've got some great ideas about how we can utilize it still the post office in another space in the building in the basement or something it's not going to be discouraged or anything and there's going to talk about some upgrades to the kitchen and stuff like that but you know so uh you know you'll see us said more fest well she would hopefully not just Collar and I no they will be you know we're meeting again on the night they're always welcome to drop in and uh we'll carry on you know and keep keep you guys updated to what we're you know one of the last thing and then so we can move on is that we've um it the and this board has also talked about it and talked about it the last time I was on the board whatever number years ago was you know town meetings we all love having town meeting there presently the way it is because the ADA access is a problem but we've been trying to look into and see about the the thing about voting you know there's an issue about voting on the stage the regulation you know about the distance and people walking by to the bathroom and all that whether we go back to the school so um I don't believe that the the lift will make it so that people have access to the stage but I'm not sure how we can address that you know that voting issue because it's more than just the ADA access it's also the the actual physical space right you know so I don't know that's that's another discussion okay well yeah once again I mean you know I've had people say to me let's just you know a lot of we just build a new town hall and we can deal with all these issues so sleep on that one okay okay all right well thank you yeah for the work that you're doing we'll see you Thursday okay great and just keep us informed as you're happy keep going okay keep going that's terrific anything else on that anybody okay so um going back up I don't see that this we pretty much had this discussion at the site visit so yeah we're good I'll get together Sasha on that um just not here and then oh the RFP that's more on yeah more on electrical okay right we have to do it by December but so the electrical is to be done separate to the though we should try to do the moisture vapor barrier thing if we can find somewhere but the electrical we should try to move forward because there's definitely some efficiency but more money down let's see the proposal it's right under because actually they need the lighting and the lighting needs to be fixed anyway so this is an opportunity to fix the this is a bit for the looks like the electrical improvements to the town garage based on the efficiency from our proposal and uh it looks like it's uh uh replacing all the lights and labor and the price is $8,495 and he has included attachments to detailing the products he plans to use which we probably aren't compliance with efficiency but not what we probably you know have to check them out and be sure of that $8,495 that's the only price we do have I don't know where we are where we do stand on the funding I was going to look it up but I think uh I think there's like a $4,000 uh but whether we you want I mean we could check with Brad from efficiency Vermont whether we could use it off of the electrical or we use some of it for that and then also use some for the fixing that whole moisture and vapor barrier problem in that right front corner right if we use just speaking out loud here and I don't know all the rules but I don't know if it's over $5,000 do we need to have motor approval or not John this is $8,495 but if we take out the discount from efficiency Vermont that put it under $5,000 right right then we could proceed without I I'm pretty sure because how much um yeah it is for for your $4,000 municipal bonus project please begin cross the line with me this is from Brad long because that guy Paul left for another job that I was working on yeah all right Sasha how are you doing in terms of budget okay where would you want it where do you want me to look for well just what how we're doing year-to-day yeah yeah and so that answers the question as long as there's money budgeted you know looking at $4,800 or whatever yeah $4,500 or $4,500 oh whether we could take just yeah just do it I wonder if I could put something in the budget anyways because the lighting he's got lighting out right now it's kind of dark in there I mean you know I mean I wonder if maybe there's something in there that he's planned that he was going to need to do some lighting but I can reach up to Brad and ask him if we can use it for just one item he might say well you know use it and then we can start to still try you know for next year find a contractor who's going to do that you know they got to open the eve and rebuild the eve and insulate maybe that would be the way to go down yeah just get this part done yeah so we can use up the coupon we haven't received them on yeah uh okay so I guess I would make a motion to go forward with this if we can use that coupon the $4,000 coupon yeah Sasha did you send me that close so I can pull it to Brad's phone please and then I can I'll have I'll get it in an email form and then I can send it to Brad and have him look at it from efficiency to the month and see if it's a criteria yeah okay yeah I just will go on it now yeah yeah I agree any uh word discussion on that all in favor of the motion say aye any pose okay but we should stay on that other item though because yeah I think because it is it is it's only going to get worse I know right yeah but I'm thinking we'll probably get a lot more response in the winter from contractors everybody's flat out right no for sure you were mentioning EF wall because they did they built it right yeah maybe if you reached out to me to say is it something that you could do this winter or something yeah it may be a good one in project yeah okay let's uh move down the list here we've got uh the forcing communications and options what do you have there Sasha so he's referred us to another lawyer and I assume that you guys want me to go ahead and conduct it to get him going on yeah and I heard from Robert Turner he said that Martin and the guys met with him last week and they're moving forward with it okay good news did you get the email about the Joe's license yeah that's funny because I I told Joe we're not moving the okay because I think that was one of the suggestions that we already had yeah just reset it reset it okay and I'll talk to Joe again okay hey gosh hello we need to have he'd like to be reacquainted to the DRB as alternate and his it expires this month so okay let's do it right right now I make a motion that we appoint Craig Ashko I'm sorry the DRB alternate that's right he's an alternate okay there's a DRB alternate second and any more discussion or any discussion okay all affairs say hi hi okay thank you would the DRB uh John Riley would like to have Greg Negroud appropriate to the regular seat where Eric has left a vacancy oh okay I'll so I'll point Greg Greg Negroud to the regular seat right okay okay I'll make that motion oh second so Greg McGurney will be a regular member of the DRB and any discussion on that all in favor say hi hi okay thank you all the players sent in her resignation from the finance committee okay I make a motion that we accept back your Claire's resignation from the finance review committee second any discussion that's that's too bad but and I think we still do have some some interest some all in favor say hi hi any opposed there was an inquiry about renting the town home for a couple hours on a Sunday once a month for the next like five six months and they're going to play their cellos there um the library would need some clarification as to whose responsibility for setup and breakdown and and cleaning would be we've been asking people to use it to you know wipe down and do some disinfecting but we should have something yeah I thought that each of all people said that they would do clean we provide the cleaning stuff right and they just utilize it um there is two permits over there one for list fire that needs to be approved by everybody okay and then there was a permit for a grant just for you and Tom to sign okay and while we're on the town hall I had a phone call today they are planning a rain date for Eric Tetree celebration of life and wanted to know if the town hall could be utilized for that just for a couple hours October 2nd October 2nd okay everybody's fine I looked back and did some digging on Trevor Travis's request that legal trail is indeed number 15 so I just wanted to make sure that you all knew that that was okay um I've been trying to get a hold of Chad Barrett to see if he could come in but he's the voicemail that's saying he's unreachable right now so I'll keep trying on that and then I have an email from Laura Gaines on route two she's got some speed she's ready to see if there are any plans there could be plans to monitor the speed limit along the structure route she just she's noticed a lot of um working from home the past year particularly during construction season she's had a front row of many occurrences during many occurrences literally shaking when large trucks speed by she had the sense that hopefully through the winter it will subside but she's just got some concerned about it and wondering if something could be done okay so which stretch is now route two but we're I would say over toward Gallagher Acres in that area yeah which is where we've had issues before and unfortunately we couldn't get this speed limit lowered you know that there are very few places on that that you can go fish deep I just find it hard to believe that they did that traffic study and the road is the pavement it is terrible right right if you go 50 you're gonna yeah exactly I think they are planning on repeating that they did a section they did one they did one time by the young guy they did that section and over one town the landfill well let's go go school traffic down no no no but they did do a section and then they did the hill by the guy doing the flowers by the station right yeah right then I got a email from Andy she's asking if the guys could do mowing not on Tuesdays or Thursdays they have classes outside I think today was just because yesterday was a holiday right I guess interrupted some of their eight full classes okay so I can certainly send an email to them yeah that would be good okay and then she wants to know about the work she about the what the core of body uh-huh somebody from the rec had spoken to her and I I personally thought that the rec was doing it but maybe it's it was the school I don't know who I haven't gotten a bill do you guys know what the scope is with the core of body no I don't remember talking about I mean talked about it for more fast but yeah not for something it's you don't have I remember now I know about for more fast but I yeah I just figured it was the rec committee that all right I'll get on the seat and then she had a question on what should we do if there are trees that are potential hazards in the forest and our outdoor livings learning spaces who should we let know and who can request to the potential cutting well she will let me know and potential cutting I had to assume would be what our road road for or what the rec committee taking together no no yeah that's something we wouldn't want to happen anyway yeah okay good thank you Callie you have anything um I have just talked with the admin lady of the state police today I also emailed FASA just to check in with them and see if they would be willing to maybe come to a meeting and talk about different things because that was the state police's recommendation yeah yeah um if I do not hear back from them I will stop in that tractor supply because the president works there oh is that right yeah so I can stop and then see him and then I'll if I when and if I get a response from them I'll let you know the schedule but I wanted to see if that was even something they were open to I don't think so much because of it okay and then that's been pretty quiet okay right I'll put it here I'll put it there done um well I guess I'm not really quiet but I was wondering uh where are we with the owl I think it's called an owl's nest okay only because I thought there was a couple of people who have approached me and they were they were um because we don't there's no clear policy yet on what we're doing about masks and you know the state I don't want to I'm not going there but any event who would want to attend the meeting we're asking if we still had the remote possibility like some other time I said well we're working on it so I guess I guess we're getting in there yeah okay and then something from a while ago was um I had asked only because I was curious out there being an article about uh cyber cyber security and you were going to check in with our IT folks or whatever do you have something called carbonite right now and he's what's it called carbonite and he's actually working with the lct insurance to make things stronger and better yeah great I mean just hearing some of the things you hear about that people have been hacked or whatever you know ransom whatever it is ransomware whatever's going on it's already pretty crazy um no and that's that's it that's kind of the raw scent that we did so that's that's it okay I guess oh well the traffic I mean Joyce is kind of just will circle back with us Joyce yeah I'm hoping that yeah yeah okay and uh for me the only thing that I was curious about is I had saw on the news that there's Ryan is it Ryan Buska okay was killed in an accident and that's happened before people don't stop at junction of route 100 B and 2 yeah that happened just a year or two ago I wanted to do that guy's house yeah right now I don't understand how that can happen I don't either yeah I mean it's pretty clear if you know I need it says to slow down at 35 and this is you know then there's the stop sign but you come across that bridge yeah people are coming down there doing 67 miles an hour and it's not like he was out of state yeah right yeah exactly how they they haven't released any kind of you know report whether he was is he Willie's younger brother it's Wade Buska's son Wade Buska's son okay so that's not the same Buska that was did the motorcycle the racing down in there well Willie this is your dad Willie Bozak oh Bozak was it you think oh oh that's right Bozak not Buska okay yeah okay what's that he has a huge dog oh all right yeah okay the dog jumps with his paws here his hands up here that's all right all right so hi folks oh good night thanks thank you okay let's take a look at the minutes of August 17th okay it looks like the some of the things here Tom is going to check on so I don't know if you heard anything about the David Speck who's going to take a look at her Tom is going to contact David to take a look over at the the junkyard he got back to me he has he's been out you know for a couple weeks okay he did I sent him a reminder and he said that the fencing has nothing to do with zoning but the other he's checking into it yes okay I just got that in another morning okay everything else has been drawn up yeah I don't imagine Tom got back to you about the county funds yes right right and does anybody have anything more to add on the city's fiber well so a little concern was it because as I read through their budgeting I don't I mean they're it seems like they want a lot more money than what they have access to and I'd rather see a plan where we know where all this money is going to come from for this rather than get halfway into this and then what do we do yeah I understand I mean I'd like to see fiber to everybody but you know you look at the map and a couple things I noticed is if you look at their town their fiber map I mean this is the harry brook loop and you know they're showing camps up there that don't have fiber service they never will have fiber service but they're counting them as potential fiber customers yeah you know what and that's just the ones I know it doesn't doesn't make any sense well maybe they just saw that there was a property there right once they get into the more fine two details of researching properties that are going to get there's no power to those obviously right you know their their pricing is based on so many residents right you think they're produced that residents by 20 then that unit price goes up reciprocally right and I don't know there's just to me there's some seems to be a lot of unanswered questions you know they want you know two million if you take two million dollars divided by the hundred ninety eight homes it's like ten thousand dollars a house it seems like a lot of money yeah it seems like there might be a better way to do this but you know through the existing network systems like right Washington waits we'll tell it on or something well they said they are going to work with them once they do their poll survey I think that's what the poll survey will show will identify and answer that question of what they really what places really are going to be in the system that's to me pretty important that they did a little bit more to this rather than yeah I was I was really surprised at how high the numbers were anyways all right I'm sure we'll have another meeting yeah and then a couple things for the minutes on page three it said on the third to the last paragraph John let this SB know that the Waterbury rec had okay so it's the actually it's the Waterbury recreation department summer day camp and they met they were meeting I believe it's at the hole at St. Leo's yeah I mean it's sponsored by the Waterbury recreation department and then um let's see uh the poplar tree at the beginning of the driveway here yeah I don't see a poplar tree there you mean the black cherry the one that's partially yet something about a tree that was down here I thought you said poplar well it's not I mean it's it's not down I mean I I guess I'm oh okay I'm confused okay I thought you said that it needed something down there to need attention oh no no okay I think at some point we're probably gonna you want to take the the mountain ash down before it falls on somebody because it it isn't it's not very healthy you're shaking your head in agreement Cali matter of fact I think that could be done so I guess as as my role as tree warden I will contact a martyr on that okay so I will make motion to approve those minutes with the corrections that I just noted and I guess the instead of poplar tree it would be a mountain ash well I know that the black cherry the big cherry tree around the corner from Eugene's is looks like it's on its way out so I wasn't sure if that's what anybody's going to second okay any more discussion on that all in favor say hi hi any opposed okay uh any other old business we need to address anything from the list below or anything else I put together an r.r.p. from Fletcher rule the bridge the Fletcher rule bridge okay and participant will work basically um let me just send out the uh retransit special report out we'll send it out to three bridge contractors and try to bring him back by the fourth of October yes but now what I'll do is I'll be on the share of tomorrow morning She's already had me, that's the Dutch repair and construction, and probably going to be with her sets. Yep. And then that'll give us three contractors, and hopefully we'll get through a bit. Okay, and then we have the RFP for the grand list. Does everybody have a chance to take a look at that? Okay. You okay with everybody? We accept the RFP for the channel-wide reappraisal. I'll second that. Any discussion on it? Well, I just, besides the current firm that does, is doing the reappraisal of some of our appraisal work, right? Yes. And what is there, is there another, I mean, we probably were hoping that his bid will come in and be the one, because we've been doing the town for quite a while. But do we have anybody else to send it to? Is there a... You gave me one name. Vickery? Vickery, they did it. Yeah. I'll send them one. Okay. And then there's something M-M. I know a name of another one, actually. That I could, someone told me about. I could send it to you in just one or another. Another name. Or maybe it's, yeah, it's not Vickery. It's someone else. I can send it to Sasha and she'll send it to you guys. Yeah. Vickery did the last one, so that's what I thought about. But again, I'm not sure if he's doing it or any more or not. What's in there of the company that we're working with now, again? Numeric. Numeric. Numeric. Okay, then all in favor of the RFP, say aye. Aye. Aye. And opposed? Okay. Any other old business? How about new business? Okay. Good. Let's sign away here. No, I got to sign. Do I need to sign, please? Please. Why? Why me? I wrote that. Okay. So I've got an invoice for approval, a Numeric invoice. What's about this? Like three of them right there. Wonderful. And here is the purchase order for the Owl. It's totaled $999. And we voted that that was okay. So that's how I can sign that. You know, won't we eventually be able to put that with the recovery funds? I think so. I hope so. Yeah. I mean, I know that's what others come up with. So, I hope so. Clark's plumbing and heating and invoice for $640. The toilet and the toilet seat and so on, a lavatory faucet. Is the invoice for $1232 and 48 cents from William Gallup architecture and planning LLC for his consulting services. Is it okay with that? You okay with that? Yeah. We go and preservation trust. We got $500. Oh, there we go. I signed everything. Oh, she skipped right by you. I was signing this. I wasn't worried that they signed me back. No, I don't need to sign that file. No, you don't need to sign that file. The file John has already signed. Just to look at license? Yep. Well, you didn't sign this one here, John. Did I miss one? Okay. Okay. Everybody play. So, from my LLC, State Highway Access and Work Permit. I see it. You signed it. John, did you sign that one? I feel like I'm not signing paperwork every day. My signature has gotten worse. Those treats up there? I don't know. Let's find something to eat up there. Oh, no. It's a clock. Oh, it's a clock. Hey, I've been thinking so many brownies. It's like brownies to my kids. We're going to have some of those good brownies. Good night's ride home. Darren. I'm sorry. Keep the copy of the Christmas heroines thing. Yes. So here's the liquor license for Bliss Bar LLC. What's that? Did you sign it? Yeah. Oh, so we all need that? Yeah. I get to have a drink up there some day. What is that for? Just a store? No, this is for Bliss Farm, isn't it? Yes. Yes. For their functions. That's for Jordan, Dan, and Travis. We're just going to give you a beer kind of breakfast in there. Yeah, it sure is. That's a twenty-five. Two. Forty-seven. Forty-seven? Well, Fort is like the final work so like it's seven-thirty. I think it's something like that. The sky's a four o'clock. Yeah. Okay. Short and sweet. Yes. You don't know, I think it's good. Yeah, it's good. I went to one of the meetings the other day. It's coming together. Okay, very good. Anything else, memory? I think you should do it for Darren. Second? I'm sorry. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay.