 Welcome to the Dr. Gundry podcast. Milk! It does not do a body good, at least not for adults and especially not for kids, except that is if it's from A2 cows. You see, most dairy products found in the US grocery stores come from a breed of cows, such as a Holstein, that's that black and white cow, that is a highly inflammatory type of milk protein called casein A1. That's why I'm so excited to have the Alexanders on today. They are one of the only A2 dairy farmers in the US. Husband, wife, duo Stephanie and Blake, plus their five kids, are truly pioneers in the A2 dairy industry and also in farming as the first certified regenerative farm. So pay attention. We'll find out why organic just isn't enough, how farming like our grandparents will help heal the planet and while A2 dairy products are optimal if you're gonna drink milk. So stay tuned. You're not gonna want to miss hearing about their incredible story of running a family farm and what you can do to help facilitate regenerative agriculture in your community. We'll be right back. So welcome to the podcast Stephanie and Blake. It's so good to see Alexander A2 milks and yogurts more available in more grocery stores these days. Thank you. We're honored to be here. So first things first, what's wrong with conventional agriculture? You guys are farmers. What's wrong? Yeah, it's it's it's it's taken a turn over the last eight or 10 decades that has just industrialized everything in terms of focusing on high yield only I would say and you know I went to college 40 years ago or we went to college 45 and 40 years ago and they really weren't teaching us about the soil other than the basic minerals in the soil but certainly nothing about biology and so I think that's what's missing in conventional agriculture. And then also within regards to this dairy specifically a lot of people have moved away from dairy and there's got to be reasons why whether it's the method the style or you just can't digest it or it doesn't agree with them and and not healthy for them any longer. So do you think if we went back 100 years that the idea that people had milk and tolerance would would be very different based on the way cattle were grazed 100 years ago? Yeah, we do tend to believe that. We think that it's certainly the cow the cattle industry and the dairy cow itself has changed because we do have that corrupted gene which we will call A1 in there that causes a lot of difficulty for a lot of people all around the world and so we just don't know if that changed happened a thousand years ago or more or less right somewhere along the line the cow changed. Not our guts necessarily. However, you understand this really well and by the way thank you for teaching us about lectin that that was very helpful for our family. But a pleasure. You know we've got gluten intolerant people and we now have extreme dairy intolerant people and so we think of this protein problem in dairy somewhat akin to the gluten intolerance. You know the wheats have changed and the milk has changed and then our our lifestyles have changed so our guts aren't maybe as healthy to handle this stuff where a hundred years ago to get back to your question people weren't noticing intolerances. They could handle it because they were rugged they were growing up on farms they were exposed to everything and you know we have a different society and they didn't have the stressors that they have now and maybe A1 was already there a hundred years ago but the other stressors weren't making their body susceptible to an A1 because they were healthy everywhere else but now with all the multiple of stressors with modern food then we're gonna be people are gonna be more sensitive to everything. No that's a good point as I pointed out in my books that 95% of us are born with an antibody to the peanut lectin and yet probably when you were growing up and I was growing up nobody had peanut allergies we everybody ate peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and had peanuts on planes and nobody was carrying Epi pins to school and and now of course you know peanut allergies are rampant right and but you know our immune system the antibody still existed but our immune system was calmed down by we had a normal gut microbiome teaching our immune system and we didn't have leaky gut and you're right so it's the same thing with I think KCNA1 probably if we had didn't have a leaky gut and we had a great microbiome that wouldn't have been a bigger problem as it is now yeah that's how we look at it okay so you're right so you're a dairy farmer and all my vegans say you guys and your cows are the cause of climate change because your cows are farting and you know we got to get rid of you guys so what say you well thank you for the opportunity there that that that that gets right to the quick so I we believe that we're part of the solution and not part of the problem and so we would certainly welcome any of those folks that are have those concerns to come visit us come see our farm and come understand and start with our website but understand how we do our farming and and we're truly part of the solution you know I think cows get a bad rap I firmly believe that we've got less bovine in the in the country today than we did years and years ago and and that methane that they make is has a 10-year shelf life so it's kind of you know we're we're lowering that number not increasing it but but let's really talk about the soils and what we've come to understand through being organic and really learning and educating ourselves on soil and and how we sequester carbon with our farming practices and so you know we are truly part of the solution and cattle are a big part of that solution in that you know we need the cattle's room in it to digest some of these large fibrous plants and species out there that the cellulose that humans can't digest and those animals help us add biology to that through their urine and manure back on the ground they're contributing and feeding that the soil microbes and then ultimately sequestering carbon in the soil through roots and and and other plant material that becomes part of the soil in our world it's it's organic matter that we measure it's a real simple test in our organic matter and our soils with none from two to three percent when we started 25 years ago or so up to 8 10 12 15 percent now and you know it's a phenomenal story and half of that organic matter is carbon and so we're we're basically as a dairy farmer we're grass-based dairy farm farmers and that's a way we have farmed for four generation now our fifth generation is is helping us out and so it's a way that mimics the wildlife the buffalo where you do a rotational grazing and that is all part of what we're doing in an regenerative organic approach so are you're so you're moving I mean just like Buffalo Rome you're moving your cows from pasture to pasture yes absolutely we're cycling the the grass growth so so the grass grows above the ground say 12 to 18 inches tall and under the ground the roots are growing to kind of somewhat mimic and match the volume that's above ground and as you harvest it off using cattle you know they go in and we put a lot of cattle in a small space and they eat it all and and and then of course they leave the nutrients as well as taking some out that but then those roots some of them engage in rapid growth and regrow the green material up top which becomes a solar plant that's pulling carbon again out of the out of the air but also some of those roots is die off they slough off and become little spaces in the in the soil for the microbes to live for the water to transfer through and then that leaves that carbon in the soil to be part of the permanent structure and part of it the tilt of the soil so you don't so with regenerative agriculture let's for people who hopefully have been watching my podcast we've talked about it before but for people who are first listening and hearing the word regenerative agriculture define that you've kind of done it but what exactly does that mean yeah I think in simple terms it's regenerate soil so let's build soil and and and get away from soil erosion and and and and whether that's wind erosion or water erosion or whatever but regenerating soil and and and when you regenerate so so we're literally building top soil so maybe our fields are getting taller every decade it's that kind of approach just visualize that they're growing by an inch or two because we're adding we're adding bulk to the soil and as you do all that and you increase the organic matter it increases the nutrient load in the soil the microbes all the bugs bugs and good critters that's increasing the nutrient density in the plant and that's ultimately what we're after is nutrient density in the plant for the cows to graze on and the byproduct of it and the goodness of it is that we're sequestering carbon and it's getting no variety gotcha yeah no it's I mean it's correct me if I'm wrong but the the level of top soil in the United States has plummeted drastically right yes through this industrial revolution of agriculture and those soils are dead yeah and so our you know one of my personal missions one of the things that I like to work on is by being involved with some of the advocate groups that farmers are involved with you know I've got a Washington DC three or four times a year and talk to you know legislators and a lot of policymakers and you know my dream is to help or I'd say our dream is to help agriculture change and and conventional farmers across the country to understand that some of these three kind of practices would be super good and smart of them to implement in that it translates to healthier soils translate to health care and larger yields which you know ultimately helps pay the bills and if we can't pay our bills as farmers then nothing we do is sustainable and so that that's really important that's an important piece of this puzzle is that we have healthy farms and so that therefore we need consumer support to you know to support the regenerative labels and to support the practices that we're doing but it also has to you know apply where we can convince our conventional neighbors to kind of come along on this ride because it makes sense so there's a many people say that you know regenerative agriculture is much too expensive and that you you poor farmers can't make a living doing this and you got to use petrochemical from fertilizers and herbicides to make a living and I suspect your conventional farm farmer friends buy into that is that true I'm not really sure about what they're buying into from that standpoint but I know for us and when you talk about it being expensive we're we have the benefit of composting of course our manure solids that we use for vetting local shavings from the lumber mills and we also get fish waste and really any green waste we can get and we're composting constantly and doing quite a effective compost program and then we're reapplying it to our fields and that's nutrition going back to the fields and that has helped us in the regenerative project and build that organic matter in the soils yeah yeah so we would encourage farmers around the country to get anything free that they can that can be an organic source you know to to assist and to start a compost pile I'm just thinking back to your question 30 years ago when we were probably before we even entertain the idea of becoming an organic farm so we were still using some urea to fertilize our fields and urea is a wonderful fast responding nitrogen source for our grasses and different plants that we grow in our pastures and and you know it was a really convenient tool and so I understand how farmers get somewhat dependent or even addicted to you know these kind of quick responding chemicals and fertilizers and I'll just tell you once we went away from that the response that we get from a compost application of fertility and soil amendment is it's just long term it keeps giving year after year season after season and so we would notice that our fields didn't get all yellow in the fall and summer or fall and winter when when we weren't applying the chemical there's a long-term benefit and it just keeps literally snowballing in a really positive way and and and so part of this is we'd encourage farmers to be patient and and to just you know kind of build it and they will come and what's coming is the microbiology in your soil and they're gonna you know as farmers this is the lesson that we learned not not in college but out here on the ground is that if our responsibility to do nothing that harms those biology they're all that ball of critters are working on our behind really just stay out of the way and let's feed them and do things that are good for them so it's the microbiome of our farm if you will that we're we're really trying to focus on and pay attention to and just like you're telling your listeners about gut biology and the goodness of what you can do to make your gut healthier we're doing that same effect to our soils yeah no that's a very good point and you know one of my favorite sayings is you are what you eat but you are what the thing you're eating ate I think maybe our listeners need to hear that grass is not necessarily grass that that's supported by a rich soil microbiome is going to absorb far more nutrients than grass basically grown in dead soil with petrochemical frontal fertilizers and that's going to be delivered into the cow and subsequently in the milk is that saying it correctly yeah it absolutely is as you're asking that question I'm thinking I think your listeners need to understand that that our cattle are really a bit old-fashioned if you will and so we have spent 30 years selecting genetics that were the right genetics for grazing in other words they're they're almost like athletic athletic they're they're a little smaller frame they have the ability to literally walk a mile to the field if they need to and and go out and work for a living and get their own feed out of the field and so they're not pampered they're not sitting in a corral where we just keep bringing feed to them so there's a lot of a lot more to that story the consequences are we get less milk per cow but we also get much higher quality milk per cow in terms of a lot more butter fat and protein and and I'm just gonna say you know conjugated a little inic acid the good stuff that is is is making people healthy is a result of that and so it's literally different kinds of cows that that that we focused on and then of course and well 15 years ago or so or 14 years ago we learned about A2 and started focusing on that because we're open minded to a lot of things and so A2 made sense to us and we've been certainly selecting for that along the way and then because of that cellular breeding for all these years and something we noticed about our milk before we launched our own brand was the amazing taste and I love it when we get somebody from a foreign country and they might be older and they taste our milk and they tell us that it takes them back to their childhood because that's the way milk used to take taste in Yugoslavia or in Romania or something like that in the old country yes and that warms our heart because we know our milk has a special taste and people buy it maybe because they can't drink milk and they want to try the A2-ness of it but they keep buying it because it tastes so great yeah yes and you know I actually I have a patient who had a dairy farm in Minnesota growing up she was a child then and they were Guernsey cows they were A2 cows and they had to switch over to Holstein because Guernsey's bringing cold a new castle but Guernsey's don't produce as much milk as Holsteins and they're not as arty as Holsteins right so they were kind of forced even though they knew it was better yeah they were just kind of forced commercially to do it yeah and and I we totally understand that that transition that that farm family went through and we've seen that all over the country and I guess what we did somewhere along the line here is really recognized that we were focusing on grazing which was really a core part of our upbringing and our old son lives in Ferndale and Darry's on the dairy that my great-grandfather started a hundred years ago and we've been grazing on that farm for five generations and all we've done is learn more about the soil and learn more about the process and the management of grazing kind of the art of grazing and then that's you know I'd like to give a shout out to Stan Parsons and Alan Savry for that back when I was in college I learned about those guys and then I really got to know Alan Savry and the Savry Institute and we really appreciate the evolution of his understanding of how ruminants are part of saving our planet if you yeah that's good point I suspect you're aware of the dentist Weston Price we yes and I say that when we went organic and stuff and even before Blake who's an excellent cowman became a soil and grass enthusiast and was reading all kinds of things about soils and I was reading nutrition and physical degeneration in 2001 because I went to we went to Sally founds classes so we're big fans of Weston Price and our attitude in our kitchen is eating foods the way they were a few hundred years to be eaten and making that bone broth soup and and our milk that we produces that way too well I thought it was interesting I'm a big fan of that book it's actually one of the first books I read back when I changed my career and one of the things he points out as you know he he revised his original book to talk about the activator X that he found in the milk products particularly butter in cows that were grazing on rapidly growing grass and subsequently it's almost certainly vitamin K2 it also may be two interesting new saturated fats that are odd chain fatty acids called C15 and C17 that are actually probably essential fatty acids that have recently been discovered and that's also in the milk and butters of grazing cows and it may be one of the exciting essential fatty acids that nobody knew about except Weston Price of course he didn't know the name of it one thing you you may be aware of this up until 1984 true parmesan cheese parmesan oreggiano could only be made from the milk of cows that were grazing on spring or fall grass it was against the law to use summer or winter hay or grasses I think that's fascinating you can still find those cheeses from summer and fall grasses made in the parmesan cheese if you look hard for them but I think you know they were they knew all this and you guys as fourth generation farmers know all this yes absolutely because we live right on the ocean on the Oregon border in Northern California our grass is green all year round so most of the year we're rotating our cows to new green growing grass so that season is lasting a lot longer than say Switzerland where Dr. Price discovered the yellow butter in the yep they had that sacred food so when we look at the top of our bulk tank our milk tank and the creams all on the top there's a yellow hue most of the year because our cows are grazing and that yellow hue is only found in cows grazing green grass yeah so that activator X or K2 it's real in our milk and we feel always feel great and we think it is because of the dairy the milk we drink here at the farm yeah and we certainly understand why the Parmesan folks you know honored this spring milk because that's when the green grass is growing and it does affect and change so the products obviously and what Stephanie saying is we have an extended season of that here but you know growing up here I grew up you know down there where our son lives now in Ferndale where humble primary used to make butter and our butter yeah extremely yellow much like your necktie there today and and it was it bothered some of the new potential customers because they wanted to know why this butter was so you know the color was so extreme and well it's because all the cows were eating grass even in this you know conventional world 40 and 50 years ago so what's the difference people are now going okay well if the milk is organic they're eating grass what's the difference between organic and regenerative farming yeah that's interesting questions I haven't tried to think of that answer yet but but it's really we're talking about let's organic is a certification and so you you need a third party certificate certifier to you know verify that you're doing this this and this and what you're not doing is antibiotics and cattle and you're not doing pesticides and chemicals on your soils and and some basic things like that you're only utilizing feeds than inputs that are also qualified as organic so so that's generally what organic means and I think that's certainly taken you know consumers grabbed onto that and embrace that over the last 30 years in a wonderful way regenerative came along and and somewhat became a program and a definition to define something that I'm gonna say my grandfather's we're already doing and and generations for eons have been doing I don't think regenerative farming is so so as new as we all would like to pretend it is I think it's really honoring a system that God created and and and understanding it better and so we eagerly jumped on you know two different regenerative programs that were developing over the last four years and and and became you know kind of a pilot farm for both of them and so that's how we ended up being you know the country's first certified organic dairy farm I mean I'm sorry regenerative farm is that we just embraced the concept because you know they came along with a word that helped define what we were really doing as grazers it's so was it was it hard to make the transition did you have to throw out old practices or did you have to add new practices or where do you start no I don't it wasn't hard at all for us because of our step into organics first and so it was a natural evolution and again you know I'm just gonna say again I think it's a it's a it's a program that came along and endorsed it and then named what we were already doing because as good grazers we want to build soils when we were working organic matter not necessarily carbon in the soil but carbons the result of the organic matter and so because we wanted to build organic matter and we were doing compost and we were doing kind of intensely managed rotational grazing that built soil and and you know it it we were doing it because it was a smarter business decision it grew more feed and fed more animals and paid more bills and so when you have that component and then you just begin to understand what it's doing biologically under the soil and from a you know kind of a global warming perspective in that we're sequestering carbon it wow it just absolutely makes sense and it just motivates you to to kind of help tell the story and to do more okay so how do you how do you convince fellow farmers how do you convince politicians how do you convince big dairy to regress and regenerate you know go back a hundred years I think that's the consumers that need to do that you know what are they gonna buy it's it's about a health that they want to have and like politicians our health care bill should be tied to our farm and food bill they should be talking to each other what what should be subsidized what what should be helped out consumers need to look at what they're eating and food is by medicine and a lot of consumers today vote with their dollar every single day and there's a cost to food there is and if it's a cost is bad health if you're not eating healthy food or is it not satisfying ecosystem if you're purchasing industrial food those things need to be brought to the table it's a consumer that has to ask for it and it's the consumer we are praising and bowing and bowing down to that they appreciate what we're doing here at a farm level and I would answer that a little differently and I think what Stefan said is also true that's one side of the equation you mentioned politicians and kind of policy let's if you will that help so again that's that's these trips that I want to make to DC and continue to do and participate in that conversation so that we can help direct and focus policy that encourages farmers to to embrace some of these practices and then you know it's just kind of one farm at a time it has to happen it's it's a you know it's a long ways from converting the entire say dairy industry that that's absolutely overwhelming but if we can just do regions and different crops and you know have the effect on on different crops I gave a talk at the annual American Farm Bureau in Austin Texas a couple years ago and it was titled honor soil like you would your grandchildren and and so we can get those concepts out to farmers that you know even the guy growing cotton or corn in the Midwest needs to pay attention to this conversation and build organic matter and regenerate soil it they need to do that because of their their kids and their grandkids and the prosperity of their farm you know it's more likely to pass on to the next generation if it's profitable it's it's that simple so sometimes it just boils down to the money well that's a good segue to your family and family farm the Alexander family farm and you've got five kids and they're they're a part of your your farm and that's that goes that bucks the trend of oh my gosh you know I grew up on a farm and I can't wait to get out of here and do something useful how did you do that well I remember we were driving 20 years ago and talking about a grazing dairy that we have and and we should go organic and it seemed to be the good option to create a viable future for our kids so ultimately it was a business decision to go organic 21 years ago and then as we went organic and became that family that became an organic consumer because we saw the value in it we realized it and it really became the attitude build it and they will come build the soil and the microbes will come and the grass will grow build a business that is attractive to our kids to want to come home after they go to college and they have and so that really was our attitude like I said we thought it was a business decision but then it became purposeful life for a farmer yeah I would add to that that that drive that she's talking about that we remember we were we were touring farm in northern Oregon and on the coast it was much like the area I grew up in Perndale and a lot of those farmers are dairymen up there were wanting to get out they they said oh you're from California you want to buy my farm three out of six said that to us in one day and it just shocked me and so as we're driving home with all five kids in the car and this was actually 23 years ago you know Stephanie are talking how do we create a business where our kids you know can grow up go to college meet their spouse make an adult decision in terms of their career and and you know how can we rank in that and not you know force them into something that's less than ideal and so we've been kind of chasing niche markets and new concepts and being very open-minded you know since that day and primarily because we wanted to build a business that was attractive to the next generation yeah and then on this every build it and they will come as we built that organic matter as we fence the the creeks on our ranch and that planted trees in the riparian zones the elk came the bald eagle nest came the salmon started going through the creeks again the frogs galore everywhere and so it's fun to talk about just the wildlife in our ecosystem that we live around and then say by the way we're organic regenerative dairy farmers to make any yeah so I know we we've talked about a two milk and did it did you have to transition your herds to you know pure a to a to cows yeah I mean how do you go about doing that basically we first started with selecting sire selecting the bulls for that were a to we were able to through New Zealand genetics the Kiwi genetics that are there we were able to select sires to breed to our cows that we're 100% a to a to is a the DNA you get one from mom one from dad right so that's why we say a to a to on our bottle to call that out and so we're looking for that DNA and then we test our cows by taking a hair sample from their tail and send it to a lab back then we sent it to New Zealand and now we send it in the States and we basically separate our a to cows that are 100% a to from those that still have the a1 gene and we've been doing that now for about 15 years or so and and I think you know specifically it's a it's a long transition on the entire population of all the cattle that we own in our herd but because we milk and more than one barn it was easier to take and identify simply identify the a to a to cows and put them on one milk barn and then 100% of that milk or that ranch is now a to and so we've been milking in four locations and three of them are 100% and the other one is 50 50 and still transitioning. Now can can the average consumer detect a to milk by the way they feel by the way it tastes by what do you say? I I think right when you drink a to milk it's refreshing your body doesn't want to get that planet you don't want to expel it so people tell us when they drink our milk which I've always thought about our milk it's refreshing then the gut likes it it's very happy about it but the interesting thing and I haven't seen any research and maybe you know more about this but when people have that weak gut defense and you got that foreign protein going through your body then people are susceptible to autoimmune disease and people say get off dairy and that's where people really feel good people tell me that they're they don't have their dark circles under their eyes any longer or their eczema disappeared when they started in our milk they just feel good their joints feel better now so there's a lot of anecdotal things we hear we're not scientists we're the dairy farmers producing it but we're excited to hear the good news and then also parents of autistic children have come to me and parents that have children that have seizures have also approached us and told us stories about how their children are just so calm on a to milk yeah yeah and and I think in general sorts we we believe that the mucus that the reaction in people's mouths that happens from dairy is not meant to be that that's a response to the A1 protein and not necessarily happening with the A2 that's our belief yeah and certainly you know those were some of the original discoveries in the in the book devil in the month in the milk that was interesting and the the interesting correlation around the world with KCNA1 and juvenile diabetes type one diabetes is actually rather rather shocking as one of the things that actually convinced me that this is you know one of those troublesome proteins that I shouldn't be in our diet yeah so good for you no absolutely I would add this is kind of interesting I think you would find it you know intriguing here so both of our daughters have gone to New Zealand and studied at Lincoln University where the Keith Woodward who wrote the book was a teacher or professor yeah our younger daughter Savannah met with him here a couple of years ago and so he offered us up 33 pages of new data since the book yeah since the book and it was really interesting because he had published it or he would he prepared it for some talk he was doing in Russia but you know all that Stephanie talked about the details and how he correlated it to SIDS and babies and just mind-boggling so yeah and and I haven't had time to research it any longer and maybe people in your world or your listeners know about some of this so when you have a baby that drinks infant formula and that infant formula is made with a base of milk that has the A1 protein in now you got a beta-casin morphing 7 that is now floating in that new little baby it crosses that gut defense and then it crosses the blunt brain barrier and the baby goes to sleep and it's called beta-casin morphing 7 that morphing 7 reaction causes the baby's respiration to slow down to where they stop breathing breathing and then the doctor says I'm sorry your child has passed away your baby passed away due to SIDS of an infant death syndrome is there a linkage between A1 protein and SIDS so this book once this since the book wants to say there is and there is a research article published on this topic well it certainly makes sense people hear the word morphine and it's basically acts as a narcotic to suppress respirations and yes and unfortunately I can't tell you the number of times in in a hospital setting where we give someone too much morphine for pain and the next thing we know they're not breathing now luckily we can rescue that with Narcan but yeah it's it so that's what morphine does and in a little baby with this morphine like compound circulating around that's only made from casein A1 not from casein A2 right it can be a real thing yeah all right I got I gotta wrap this up how how hard is it to find you guys where are you how do people find you how do they get your milk and your yogurts the best thing to do is go to our website there's a store locator on our website we are nationwide with a couple of our fluid milk products on the west coast we have a lot more choices and you can type in your zip code and find out find where you can find us and we would be excited if you want a grocery store to carry our milk you have to just ask the dairy buyer ask the store manager it's the consumers asking for it that brings them into a store and what we would really encourage is to find us on a map so that would be a map of California the upper left hand corner we're literally about a mile from the ocean and about five miles out of Oregon and so we're way up in the corner of California and we would welcome people to come see us oh great yeah we're crescent city California and it's just heaven here always green and beautiful and our town loves to have you visit all right and what's so just tell everybody again the website and the name of your milk it's www.alexandrefamilyfarm.com and that's the end it's spelled R-E rather than E-R right on the end that's my Portuguese immigrant father that helped us do that yeah he made you do it and yes you've been cursing him ever since probably yeah so yeah all right all right so everybody go go find this let's not only support organic but now regenerate agriculture and please please please do yourself a favor and look for A2 milk and if you want more information you can find a discussion about that in the plant paradox in all my books it's it's that important yeah so literally we can be found in all whole foods and most natural food stores now across the country so keep it right all right well thank you take care and keep keep up the good work thank you we will come visit all right bye bye all right now it's time for the audience question from A.S. Runkle on Instagram I heard today on a radio show that cranberries are rich in polyphenols and drinking 100% cranberry juice has been shown to have good effects on heart and blood circulation what info do you have on this well turns out cranberries are an incredibly rich source of polyphenol they're also a very rich source of a sugar molecule that's called D. mannose and those of you who have treated yourself for urinary tract infections have either taken cranberry juice or have looked for cranberry capsules or have actually taken D. mannose now the problem is there's really not a whole lot of D. mannose and cranberry juice so I encourage you the next time if you ever developed a urinary tract infection to get D. mannose now the problem with cranberry juice is the same problem with pomegranate juice it's mostly sugar and even if it says no added sugar on the label what that means to an alert consumer is there is so much sugar in here already we didn't have to put any more in you're much better off buying fresh cranberries or even frozen cranberries and then throw them in your smoothie grind them up in your blender and eat them that way than using cranberry juice but great question they are a wonderful source of polyphenol okay time for the review of the week thank you Dr. Gundry and team for another fantastic episode I am so grateful for you your show and all of your guests I have learned so much over the last year regarding my journey on the plant paradox this podcast and your books have been instrumental in my transformation this year thank you for always being here for us well thank you for that review and you know that's I'm here for you I'm going to show up every week we're going to bring you important information like we did today and if you like what you're hearing tell your friends rate us on apple podcast because we're here to improve everybody's health and thank you for that we're going to keep going and as you know I love to hear from you because I'm Dr. Gundry and I'm always looking out for you we'll see you next week before you go I just wanted to remind you that you can find the show on iTunes Google Play Stitcher or wherever you get your podcasts because I'm Dr. Gundry and I'm always looking out for you