 I'm your host Matt. I'm your co-host Steve. I'm the substitute teacher, Hip Dad. Alright, so we've had a good day already, guys. It's gonna be good. Thank you, Hip Dad, for hopping in and replaying. You have big shoes to fill. You have to fill both Josh's and Tyler's shoes because neither one of them have graced us with their presence. Apparently, it's all your fault because you kept them up with 080 all night. Yep, it's all my fault. Did you at least beat them? No. Josh got beaten and Zany come after me in the last game, yeah. Is DT still so... When you guys play with DT, is he still so good that he just beats everybody all the time? No. So you guys got gotten better. That's good. Yeah, we have some decent games when DT joins in and we team up. It's a lot of fun that way. I still have not played the game other than one time. We're wanting to get you to play by play. I know. I tried. It was horrible. It was not a good commentary because you can't have someone... It'd be like having someone who's never seen a game of American football come in and try to commentate American football. That's basically what it was. Or having me try to commentate soccer. I'd be just like, where's the clock moving in the wrong direction? And also, I got my dad to play it. My dad doesn't annoy me as much anymore because he's got his teeth sunk into 0 AD. So many ways to create a skirmish game. Oh, nice. Cool. Alright, so welcome to the Linuxcast. We promise not to have too many tangents like that one, but I'm sure I won't hold up to that promise. But we talk about lengthy things, as we really do. But before we jump into the main topic for this week, we're going to go around the horn and talk about the things we've done in Open Source this week. So, Steve, why don't you take us off first, please? Okay, so I've been up to a lot these past few days, especially the past few days. I'm going to show something on the screen now that I can because I'm using OBS virtual camera thanks to everyone who helped. I've been up to this. As you can see, I am on hyperland and that's going to surprise a lot of people because I'm the one who kept saying, I wouldn't touch a window manager with a 10-foot pole. Well, I'm touching one right now and not only that, if you look at my browser, I even gave the developer of those dot files a few notes on what to work on. Very technical. Some are very technical, others are not. And I even offered to host some of the AUR packages that they use in their script because having it build all the packages from AUR one by one makes it take way too, too long because he's building Hyperland Git. So, that's one of the packages. So, I was like, I'll take care of the repository, just you take care of the rest and we're collaborating like that. Other than that, I've been working... I released my Zero Linux Christmas Edition to a lot of success. Not many had any issues except the two issues that were mentioned on the change log with Wayland where for whatever reason, if you use the panel as a dock at the bottom on Wayland, if the application is in focus, it stops responding. And the Plasmoid that I use, Compact Shutdown, also becomes unresponsive. Or not unresponsive, just doesn't do anything on Wayland, but those are KDE issues. Especially on Plasma 6, those will be taken care of. Other than that, I've been learning how to cook more and more because, yeah, I cook with my dad. This is a fast activity. That's not Linux related, but hey, I wanted to throw that out there. That's all right. All right. Hipdad, what about you? You've been doing anything interesting this week? Not specifically in the open source. One of the things that has always been an annoyance for me is when I'm downloading or updating games in Steam, it always says 3.2 megabytes per second. Or Mbps, yeah. And I'm supposed to have 28 megabytes per second with my provider. So I'm always like, why? So I found out through using Btop that it shows what they call, it's either millibytes per second. And you can convert those into your actual megabytes per second that you're getting. But I also learned that what your IPS, your provider gives you is millibytes per second, not megabytes per second, but they sell it as megabytes per second. So whatever they tell you you're getting, you're not getting it. So that's been my big, I guess, epiphany this week that they're still basically selling you snake oil, just like with hard drives where they tell you you get 100 gigabytes and you only get 90.2. So that's been my big thing. So I'm still going strong on GNOME. I've been trying to make it work for me. So I've been using Forge as a tiling extension so I can have tiling. And it's fine. It's fine. It's not a tiling win-manage. You can tell that the people who developed it really haven't spent a lot of time in tiling win-managers, or at least anything outside of I3. It's like they tried to emulate I3 and they've done an okay job for what it is. But you can see that they had a fine needle to thread where they had to kind of create a tiling mechanism that worked well while still making it work very good with the GNOME elements. Being able to drag and drop the windows and resize them with the mouse and stuff like that. And that's usually not something you do with a win-manager. We usually use the key bindings. So it's been okay. At least made it a little bit more usable for me. I did make a video about Forge in the past and I've been using it a little bit more in depth now. The one thing I've found that bugged me most about it is that their standard key bindings are replicas of key bindings that are default in GNOME. So you have duplicates. And when you have duplicate key bindings in GNOME it's really inconsistent over which one it actually chooses to listen to. Sometimes it'll choose the one that's in the GNOME software. Sometimes it'll listen to the one that was set by the extensions and you don't know really which one it ever is going to be and that's kind of annoying. But after you spend some time with it you can kind of get past that. It's been okay. I miss win-managers to be honest with you. I'm 11 days into my GNOME challenge. 11 days. And that means I still have like 119 or something left to go. It's going to be a slog. It has gotten better. It has gotten better than it was the first few days like I'm getting used to it. There are a few things that I really like. I liked having the ability to put the computer to sleep which is not something I usually set up or bother to set up in a win-manager. So that's been nice but not really a GNOME feature. I kind of have enjoyed setting up light and dark themes so I can switch between them if I want to. I wish that you could set a schedule but you seem to have to do that manually and hit the button which is fine. I think there's probably an extension for a schedule. I have to look into that. But that'd be awesome. Other than that I've just been messing around with GNOME a lot. Oh, also Linux TechEek has prompted me into doing an Emacs challenge again. So I'm using Emacs. Well, I noticed in your video when you talked about GNOME it was a very well done video. You were trying your best and you made a lot of good points but some of those points when it comes to GNOME the more extensions you use the more you're digging yourself a hole. Let me see. Pulling this up on stream is probably not a great idea but I have right now and I have one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen installed but not all of them are enabled. I only have ten enabled. Well, yeah, ten enabled. Ten enabled. That's already a lot. Trust me. When I had zero G I had twelve and they were all enabled because I only included the ones I enabled. The problem with extensions is with every major release the developers of those extensions will not release updates. They will fix them but they will keep them as betas on their Github and for regular people normies are not going to understand how to go to Github how to hunt for the alpha builds or the beta builds so they will end up with broken extension or not broken extensions. They don't, and here's something I wondered why you didn't mention in the video. Extensions don't break. They stop working. Yes, but they don't break your system. You still, and you will always have a functional system just without the extension. You got to remember Steve, I haven't used GNOME long enough to see a different version of GNOME yet so I have no experience with anything breaking. Yeah, the only experience I had with extensions causing issues is with knotless. It would crash knotless all the time certain extensions would. So that's one of the reasons. Not knotless back in the day, but I don't like GNOME. I tried it and it's just, it reminds me of Plasma 4. Huh? Plasma 4? Yeah, it drags. It drags it slow, it's resource hold. Okay, yeah. It does use a lot of resources still. I thought that they had fixed that but it still uses well over a gig at idle which is, and that's without any extensions installed by the way, that was to begin with. So it still is quite heavy on the resources. But I have so much memory, it hasn't really phased me all that much. I will say that I'm glad that they haven't, they got rid of some of the animations. GNOME used to be really heavy on the animations, super heavy. They've gotten rid of some of them and the ones that they kept, they've sped up quite a bit. So it's made it feel faster even if it's not actually faster. So yeah, the thing that I'm going to have the hardest time with is that I visit Unix porn on the Discord quite often and I have a channel right and I see all these people with these really nice setups and window managers and it's making me miss it even more. Darth Vader in the chest is not unless he's the worst file manager. Nowadays, yes. It's the fastest, guys. At least in terms of load times, if you want a really fast, if you're not like me and you open up a file manager to do your thing and then you close it, it's by far the fastest launching that I've ever seen. You click it and it's open. It's amazing. Beyond that, though, it has zero features. Zero. You said it, zero. It has no features whatsoever and especially if you're coming from... It was a culture shock for me because remember, I'm a Crusader user and Crusader has all the features and just going from that to Nautilus was a shock. I didn't last very long on Nautilus. I went from that to Thunar, used Thunar for a little while and then I was like, if I'm going to have Thunar installed, I'm just going to go ahead and install Crusader. So I've installed Crusader again, which of course meant that I redownloaded basically the entire plasma stack. That's the problem. If you want something you like that comes from a different desktop environment, you will have to drag everything with it. A lot of distros actually pin the desktop environment that uses the file manager. So on Fedora, if you download Thunar, it downloads Cinnamon along with it. If you download Nautilus, it downloads Gnome, which I always went like, why are you doing that? It's absolutely bonkers. All right, let's go ahead and move on to the main topic then, shall we? The main topic was my turn to choose a topic. So before we jump into it, let me just kind of talk about the schedule a little bit. So we're going to do a topic this week, which is my next week we're playing a Linux trivia game, which I'm still working on setting up. So that'll be my project for the rest of the week. It's getting that set up. That podcast will happen after... Wait a minute, are we supposed... Steve, are we supposed to announce... Has that Linux 2... Yeah, it's been announced already. There's going to be a live stream on my channel, and several other Linux YouTubers channels, like if we get hosted by the Linux Tube, we're going to be doing a Linux YouTuber get-together thing. I still have no clue what time that's actually supposed to start, by the way. Does anybody actually... The email is coming. The email is coming. But most probably it's going to be noon. That's what I heard. It's your guys' time. All right, so anyway, hopefully we'll know that for sure, to get that scheduled on the channel, so people kind of know. I would have the podcast after that. Yeah, and it would be a day full of live streaming on this channel, because that's going to be a simulcast, and then we'll do this podcast here. It'll be fun. So that should be entertaining. Anyways, so not the schedules out of the way. If you want to watch it live, just head on over to youtube.com. or youtube.com. Does Alex have his vanity URL, probably? or youtube.com. So anyways, the main topic. So this week, we've talked about this somewhat before, but what I wanted to do today was ask one simple question. If you could change one thing software-wise, not community-wise, but software-wise about Linux, what would it be? And why? So Steve, you can go ahead and take us off first. Okay. If I could change one thing about Linux software-wise, is the damn NVIDIA drivers. And they're, I know they're working and coming along fine, but it's too slow. And if Linux wants to get higher market share or get more people to use it, we need a damn good NVIDIA drivers that work on Wayland at least better than they do currently and fast, because Wayland is moving fast. It's like the hair, the tortoise and the hair kind of thing. NVIDIA is thinking that it's slow, but it's going to win the race, because Wayland is running way too fast. It's gonna have issues. No. They have to be side by side and work at the same speed, because people are not very, I noticed that people who use Linux are not very patient. No. Yeah. People talk trash about NVIDIA and I can vouch for you that NVIDIA, when it wants to work, it works just fine. But the reason people give it flag is because it's too slow and they got they ain't got no patience and that's something that I would dream to change like become rolling. We get a rolling release updates of NVIDIA drivers that are on par with everything that's going on today. Well, I mean the NVIDIA thing is more like that they just don't it's not a priority for them, right? They don't seem to I think they have people that want to make it a priority, but the people that want to continue to make massive amounts of money are not concerned with it. They don't care. They have a department, a Linux driver department so, but I think they don't prioritize it and they don't put a lot of staff members in it enough to work as fast as we want them to, I guess. Here's my thing. I know that Wayland was something that was needed because Exorg is dead old and crusty, right? Thanks. Haha. You're not Exorg, hip dad? You're just hip dad. Anyways, the thing is that NVIDIA was just dedicating themselves to actually working well on Linux and then the Linux community pulled the rug out from underneath them and said we're going to change everything. You know, we're going to change the display server and you got to completely start over again basically if you want this thing to work and because NVIDIA is NVIDIA and they don't really communicate really well with the Linux community and the Linux developers or at least it seems like they don't it feels like they got started way late when it came to Wayland. They didn't realize that Wayland was ever going to be the thing until it was basically already the thing so, if you just think about it, the NVIDIA support for Wayland was absolutely garbage. Nobody could actually use it just a couple of years ago even when Ubuntu decided that they were going to try to set Wayland as the default session on one of the interim releases of Ubuntu. At that point the NVIDIA support was still really really bad and it has gotten better obviously over the last couple of years but it feels like they got a really late start on it and that's the reason why plus add on top of that their driver department is probably like one dude in a closet somewhere the reason why the open source drivers have been they've been trying to focus on those more and more We as users and distro maintainers and developers in the Linux world tend to be doing the work for them because at least the testing part there's a lot of users that I met online that they made it their mission to test each and every driver of NVIDIA driver with each and every kernel that currently exists and used by everyone and they test them from VRR to V-Sync to triple monitor quadruple monitor single monitor they do a lot of benchmarking and various games here and there and they put on and everything we do it for them and like I'll give you an example of people doing a better job than NVIDIA TKG and some people are going to give me flag for that but guess what TKG are 100% supported by ARCH they even have their own wiki page they have their own documentation everything on the ARCH website they're fully supported and backed by ARCH and they release their own versions they have a script where you can build their customized version of the NVIDIA driver and guess what combine it with their kernel it works better than the NVIDIA drivers they even have their own version of OpenGL NVIDIA EGL NVIDIA they even replace the default one by ARCH with their version and it works marvels no wonder Royus Agro chose it over the regular NVIDIA drivers in Nobara and also one of the TKG maintainers I think if I'm not wrong works with Valve so it's taking work by other people other than the NVIDIA people unpaid people in the free in the FOSS world to make large companies drivers better why can't that company do it what they need to do is pay the TKG guys to do it just hire them it's usually the way hire them what graphics card do you have hipdad I have a 3060 TI ASUS so do you use Wayland as your default session in plasma or do you use x-word I took my dunce hat off no I don't use Wayland it's not that I hate it the only thing I tried Wayland in KDE session just to see if it worked and it worked but it doesn't give me the ability to control my settings with my monitor stuff in the NVIDIA settings panel but one thing I did notice is the mouse movements in Wayland are so crispy you can tell the difference yeah it's way better than Zorg I for example got hooked on Wayland I keep visiting it more often than I want to although x11 is still my default but because of the mouse movements and I can finally use my 144 hertz display I've had it for what 10 years that's the first time I get to use it on Linux and it's 144 that's why I bought the 3060 Ti the ASUS ROG Strix is because it had two HDMI 2.1 ports so it advanced I used a 65 inch TV LG TV for my main screen and once I switched to that card and I could do 2.1 HDMI I was able to go from 60 hertz to 120 hertz on the 65 inch screen but where does it crap the bed is when you try to game or share screens on Wayland oh you mean Wayland I don't know that Nvidia and Wayland if you try to game some games will crash if you try to share a window or monitor it will crash so Nvidia still has a lot I'm not saying only Nvidia but it takes it takes two to Tango so it takes the system plus the driver to work hand in hand to shake hands and give you a better experience but there's a disconnect if you could change one thing about Linux software wise what would it be the one thing that every operating system needs to be fixed software wise hibernation and screen shut down sleep mode it's always been shit from the get go even in MS-DOS and CPM80 hibernation and sleep mode has been flawed from the beginning and they just don't seem to care and what I have to do I mean what I choose to do is I go and I go into shutdown mode if you actually call it I'd go to sleep mode manually on my computer and as soon as it goes quiet then I manually shut down all my screens with my remote for my two TV screens and then hit the button on the little 20 inch off to the right and then before I start back up I make sure I don't touch the mouse or anything and I start all my monitors then I touch the mouse any way different than that all my NVIDIA settings are bonked or whatever you want to call it so that's the one thing I cross the board I mean they really need to work on the sleep mode and hibernation that's one of the things that I've been most surprised about with GNOME is how well hibernation has worked now granted I'm not on NVIDIA so I don't have to worry about the NVIDIA settings or anything like that I have an AMD card but when I'm in a desktop environment I suspend or hibernate neither one of them work at all and for years I've been having problems with my monitors going to sleep because usually the way I have it set up is I have my computer to stay on and then the monitors just turn off after short amount of time the only places that actually works is in Qtile, i3 DWM Xmonad Nexorg window manager it works fine the moment I go into a Wayland compositor or into any desktop environment it immediately stops working now in plasma if I use the Xorg session I can kill case screen too and it works now you're not supposed to have to kill case screen in order for that to work but that will work in the Wayland session it still won't work even if you do kill case screen and then in Genome I haven't had any success at all in getting the monitors to go to sleep but hibernation has worked really well which has been a surprise for me but you're right that is a mess and on laptops it's worse the thing is you guys both use windows probably in the past on a laptop you close a laptop on a Mac or on Windows PC it goes to sleep in fact like a day later you still have 50-60% of your battery left sure it uses some but it doesn't use very much on Linux you close that window it may turn the screen off but you come back to it a couple hours later it's dead because it's just fully running there it just doesn't work now you can obviously do some work to get it to work a little bit better but it's still it's not good so I don't use one of my laptops I don't use it very often not going to go through the process of shutting it down the good news the good news on KDE is that Kscreen 2 is no longer it doesn't, they no longer it's no longer part of KDE or it's no longer gonna be part of KDE as of Plasma 6 it's going to be Kscreen 2 I mean KWIN so KWIN is going to be taken over and hopefully that will be fixed for me my screen stopped going to sleep as soon as I went into into Hyperland on KDE Wayland they still go to sleep I don't have an issue with them going to sleep I don't know I'm kind of lucky I guess never had that issue nor on Wayland nor on Xorg but on Hyperland however impossible to get them to sleep and I don't know anything about Hyperland yet I don't know enough I just got the .files set up set up my monitors the way I want them in the order that I want them to be and I didn't touch it since because I'm too afraid to break anything Hyperland doesn't have it built in by default you have to download sway idle in order for it to work I think I will have to check if he included it or not if he didn't then I'll try it then it's just executed in your config file and you can set the delay for whatever and then it just used dpms dpms or dkms one of those things to put the screen to sleep and bring it back on it does not obviously work for me but that's the way that it's supposed to be done just quick one of the things that well one of the many things that I've noticed over the years is even with windows and their sleep mode and hibernation and everything people would well my mom in particular kept having problems with her computer freezing when she would go to sit back down to it and wake it up it would be frozen she would have to shut it off and restart the whole thing and so she would not knowing she would just take it to the freak squad at worst buys and she would have them look at it and they would say well we need to reinstall the whole operating system and you're going to have to have internet suites because you're probably infected and I went with them one time I said you don't put none of that crap on that computer oh yeah but we have to sir I said no you don't have to you don't put it on there I'm telling you right now you put it on there I'm coming after you and they didn't put it on but I ended up just disabling hibernation sleep mode just saying never engage yourself and never freeze again it's definitely something that computers have a problem with I think out of all the operating systems Mac does it the best where it's just you know you shut the lid or whatever and it turns back on it it never dies it doesn't use any power while it's closed it just does it way better so one of the things that the Linux dev should do is just go figure out how Mac has done it the thing is that Mac did it before they switched arm they did it with the Intel stuff so they could still do with x86 if they wanted to so you just have to go figure out how Mac does it and then implement it on Linux now obviously not a developer so it's probably harder than I'm sure that they've tried to make this better but it's just years and years this is the one area you're right that this is just they haven't fixed it yet and I think it I think it's hard because the display man the display server situation has been in flux for ten years you know Xorg has been on his dying breath for a long time Wayland hasn't there's been more pressing matters to get Wayland to work because you have to deal with the NVIDIA stuff you have to worry about getting everything to actually work before you can deal with the little piddly stuff so maybe now that Wayland's kind of settling into its groove maybe that's something they can fix but I don't know it but it's laptops are very important people care about laptop people buy hardware laptop and and I must say that all the Linux laptops that are coming out these days they have hibernation and everything working just fine because the people who made the hardware are the people well not made the hardware but configured the hardware are the people who created the distro because they optimized the distro to the hardware that's one thing the Apple has going for is that they make the hardware and the software they have the whole stack we need more of that we need more of that it make you think that the Papa West guys would be doing a very good job of making sleep and hibernate work on their machines Papa West is different I'm talking about the slim people slim book people Papa West is owned by System76 which does their own hardware Steve I know but oh wait yeah System76 I completely forgot about that this is my laptop oh dude you have an iMac a classic iMac I have six of them oh send me one what could you possibly need six of them for to see which one of them worked two of them worked out of the six did you get like a a patch batch from eBay is that what you got those from from the college I work at they were going to destroy them so I just said hey I'll take them alright so the one thing that I would fix about Linux if I had the chance and this is going to be very nerdy guys just deal with me is that I would have a display manager that actually works okay so this is very nerdy very very niche but I've had so many problems with every single display manager so when I talk about display manager that's what we call a login manager for those of you guys don't know it's a thing when you boot into your Linux machine you get the password prompt on that's the display manager and no matter which one that I use they all have problems and SDDM works fine for me with KDE yeah well it doesn't work fine for me and I don't use KDE I right now I'm using GDM and that seems to be the most stable but it's also in GNOME fashion the least functional out of all of them and it's either you use the Wayland version of GDM or you don't use the Wayland version of GDM you can't switch back and forth so that's hard on the machine and that really says the way that it seems to be and then I've tried LightDM that seems to be anybody I don't know this is the truth but it feels like LightDM has been left in the dust it is kind of is there it's disappearing it's not even a suggested anymore yeah it hasn't received since I maintain it on my repositories for I used to for XFCE it hasn't received an update in God knows how long so there's that and then there's SDDM that gets updated all the damn time and it's always breaking so well I used it all the time with Kubuntu what I used it in Mate once but ever since I've been in Arco Linux it hasn't broken and I've changed you can't judge anything on Arco Linux because Eric has some kind of magic voodoo or something with that distro well it's your fault I know I'll take that blame what's my fault again well it was your fault that I'm using Arco Linux I was on Kubuntu and I was having little itty bitty issues and thinking about reinstalling everything then you had your six months challenge and I was okay with Kubuntu but I started having problems and I was two months past your start gate and I went ahead and Stefan suggested I go to Arco and I've been with Arco ever since I'm on nine months it's a good distro if you could just do a website oh it's solid if you could just do a website that would be it's really bad he also needs to stop putting Arco Linux in a number in front of every single YouTube video that he makes like I know he probably does that too like do an index or whatever but it just makes it really hard to search through those because it cuts off the rest of the title but other than that distro is awesome if I were to use an ArchBase distro that's probably the one that I'd use but also open SUSE and there's the lie display manager that one it's hard to get up and running and actually keep up and running and at least when I tried it back when I did my video on it it doesn't really work with Wayland all that well so if you're going to use Wayland you can't use it well Zany did use it with Wayland it's possible that it's been updated guys remember I haven't tried it in two years so maybe it's been updated it works better with Wayland now than it did when I tried it but maybe it's time to try it again because GDM has been causing me some issues for whatever reason it flickers when I first boot into the computer it will flash it will come up and it feels like it's going to go back to the TTY and it'll come back up again then it can log in and I don't understand why I've had that on ZeroG I've had that all the time it's a weird situation and that's the thing I don't want and this is a typical elitist linux user asking for things that he can't support but why can't we just have one that works why do we need seven that are half-assed let's just choose one and work on that one until it's fixed and just works they should have one called UDM universal display management let's just have one that works and I don't care which one it is they all have pros and cons I think GDM is probably the prettiest one obviously SDDM is the most customizable one LightDM is the crustiest one you know choose one, don't care which one just make it work and make it not have so many issues one of the things when I was distro hopping a lot a lot of times I had this problem especially when I was using LightDM because a lot of the I'd almost always choose the XFC version of whatever distro I was hopping to so that would always come with LightDM and a lot of times when I was distro hopping I would have a situation where I would get a distro installed, it would install fine I would update for the first time after installation reboot the computer because it usually has a kernel thing to update and then when I boot back in launch, like it happened time and time and time again where it would boot into a black screen with a little blinking cursor up in the upper left hand corner and eventually I did figure out a way to fix that but it was just so annoying and I've had problems with GDM, SDDM always crashes every once in a while I'll go through a period where it's nice and stable then they'll do an update and it'll start crashing again and really I just this is a piece of software that can't be all that complicated how can it possibly be in a situation where it just doesn't really work 100% of the time, like that's the one piece it really does have to work, right? Isn't there, aren't there some people that don't even use any display manager's logins? Loads of people, yeah they just use either StartX or they execute their whaling imposer via the terminal I could be that guy but I use too many different features in desktop environments so it's a little harder for me but if you're just going to use one, just yes, StartX or whatever is probably the way to go. ArchPingWin I know that my camera is flashing green, it's been doing it the whole time Brio and Discord don't go together there's nothing I can do to fix it other than use the VL4 to loop back or whatever the hell it is and I'm too uninterested in setting that up I used to have to deal with that all the time back when I did streaming on Ustream maybe that's another thing I should say I would fix the Brio support for Linux just to make it actually work but or I could just get a different camera but I'm too cheap for that. Anyway so that is the things that we changed about Linux I think we could probably go around and do another round but I think that's good enough and then we'll go ahead and move on to the last section so under protest I have been told I'm changing the name of the section and this is now week three and last week I don't know if you guys noticed but I I I tripped up a little bit and kept calling it thingies because it's no longer called thingies of the week it's called Nuggies of the Week yeah anyways if you want to support the show you can head on over and get yourself a Nuggies t-shirt shop.thelinxcast.org it would lessen the pain of me having to call these things Nuggies it really would anyways head on over to the shop and get one of those limited time only Steve your Nuggie of the Week my Nuggie of the Week is warehouse warehouse is a flat pack to manage flat packs simple as that it allows you to add remotes remove remotes add I mean not install applications uninstall applications delete their data and check your application if the application is still working or not or run the application within this app so it's a very very simple app it's basically you delete once you click the delete button it will ask you if you want to delete the data as well it will get rid of the data so no more having to run flat pack remove unused that's really cool I really wish that I had like a friend for flat hub to that'd be so awesome if you just make it a store just go the whole route I think this is a good proposition I might send it upstream like you already have the install mechanism just have the install mechanism so I don't have to go to the terminal to install these things because especially for people who don't use you know gum software discoverer or whatever it'd be nice to have a front end for flat hub you know that just kind of comes separate from having to use gum software discoverer because I don't have either one of those things installed and I really don't want to have to have those things installed it'd be nice just to be able to have a front end for flat hub well there's a lot of front ends for flat hub you got Pamac you got by and different ones but not an official one but this one looks promising the filter button that is on the top left allows you to see also run times you know how people keep complaining about we all keep complaining about I have three copies of this run time five copies of that run time well guess what you can clean it up with this one with this tool because I mean the flat packs are actually looking it will tell you it has protection mechanism mechanism in place it will not remove anything that would break anything on your system and one last thing it has it has the ability to downgrade pin and do not do not update kind of thing it's got a lot of options this is a very nice tool it's what the whole thing is 23 megabyte cool I do have that in one of my tabs so I can make a video on it sounds cool alright I know that you joined us kind of off the wing kind of thing but do you have a nuggy to share with us yeah if anybody has Logitech mice and they have like the Lightspeed G502 or whatever and they have a lot of buttons to configure and you can change the DPI settings and everything Piper is software that you can get for Linux and when you set it up you can set your keystrokes on your buttons on your mouse you can set your DPI you can do a lot of cool stuff with it and it works but it doesn't keep the configuration settings you reboot your computer you got to do it all over again and if you don't know if you don't remember to do it all over again you're sitting there playing a game or something you accidentally click a resolution key on your mouse and it completely changes your resolution and your mouse is flying all over the place so my nuggy of the week is don't use Piper okay you can't set that up so that it runs like automatically at startup so that you can nope that's a shame doesn't have a setting for that or you can create your own but I don't think it will keep the actual configuration each time you can get it to start but it's not saving the configuration I had the same problem there was one and this maybe it's an offshoot of it I don't know there wasn't called keymapper a while ago I actually did a thingy of the week on it and I used it for the LL-COM huge that has a couple extra buttons and that too would necessitate you to set it up every single time you started the service even though I had a service that you could start at the beginning of the boot it wouldn't actually load a configuration file for it it just loaded the system and it didn't load the button setup so that was annoying so I just stopped I gave up I was like it's not worth it I never used those buttons anyways so screw it it was kind of disappointing yeah I mean I've actually got all these buttons on my mouse and it's a $150 mouse and I don't need any of those extra buttons but it's a nice mouse I think I have three extra buttons online and I never get to use them because setting them up is pretty hard so my thingy of the week if I can actually remember what it was it is called vitals and it is a GNOME extension basically and let me see if I can actually show you it's actually down here in the left hand corner of this basically what it is it goes in your bar on GNOME and shows you all the vitals for the stuff so it gives you temperature, voltage, fan, memory, processor stats, system and you can change what's actually being displayed on the bar itself so if you wanted to show just one processor core you could do that if you wanted to show the allocated available or cached memory whatever you want to show you can do that it also gives you shortcuts to the system monitor and everything like that right there so if you want to click on that and it's really nice and basically I just have it set up so it shows the up and down low speeds and or not the speeds but the total bandwidth that it's used for the day and then it has up time and the memory current memory usage right now I'm using 15.7 gigabytes of memory yeah that's a BS for you what's the name of the extension? it's called vitals it sounds to me like it's a fork of pop hat this is what I used to use on 0G I don't know anything about that all I know is that it's vitals I found out from Linux scoop they did a rice of GNOME and I followed that tutorial and this came along with it pretty cool so I've been using it it's awesome anyways that's my nuggie of the week and that's the nuggies of the week so before we jump into the goodbyes we should talk about our contact information you can follow me and find all my stuff at thelinxcast.org that's the website that's probably the best place to find the contact information and all the stuff there you'll find previous episodes when I remember to upload them I haven't got there yet I'll bring it back up to date here very soon I promise but you can also find previous blog posts 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